off limit areas ?

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I have just looked into the topic "Protocols of the Pathocrats" and could read it short after coming back to viewing the topic again this appeared:
The topic or board you are looking for appears to be either missing or off limits to you.
what's happening here, I've seen this on other topics olso :huh:

I know that there is an off limit until you reach 10 post. are there other off limit areas?
 
I was in the process of merging several threads on the same topic. If you click "show most recent posts" you'll see the merged thread.
 
Laura said:
I was in the process of merging several threads on the same topic. If you click "show most recent posts" you'll see the merged thread.

ahh ok :)

so no other off limit areas ?
 
Pashalis said:
Laura said:
I was in the process of merging several threads on the same topic. If you click "show most recent posts" you'll see the merged thread.

ahh ok :)

so no other off limit areas ?

If there are off-limits areas, they are available to those to whom they are not off-limits and only they know about them!
 
Laura said:
Pashalis said:
Laura said:
I was in the process of merging several threads on the same topic. If you click "show most recent posts" you'll see the merged thread.

ahh ok :)

so no other off limit areas ?

If there are off-limits areas, they are available to those to whom they are not off-limits and only they know about them!

why are they off limit ?
 
Pashalis said:
Laura said:
If there are off-limits areas, they are available to those to whom they are not off-limits and only they know about them!

why are they off limit ?


Hi Pashalis, notice the word "If" that prefixes the statement...
 
m said:
Pashalis said:
Laura said:
If there are off-limits areas, they are available to those to whom they are not off-limits and only they know about them!

why are they off limit ?


Hi Pashalis, notice the word "If" that prefixes the statement...

I have done some search here on the forum and after a while found this:
Note that there are some "off limits" areas to the forum that you will be able to access as soon as you reach the minimum 10 post. Other off limit areas, for example like the FOTCM, you can only access once you are a member. There are still other off limit areas which are only accessible to the moderators and administrators of this forum.


from a SuperModerator (http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=15325.msg124700#msg124700)

m you see there are some other off limit areas, so "if" is "are" !?
why that back and forth, can't you just answer my question ?
 
Pashalis said:
m said:
Pashalis said:
Laura said:
If there are off-limits areas, they are available to those to whom they are not off-limits and only they know about them!

why are they off limit ?


Hi Pashalis, notice the word "If" that prefixes the statement...

I have done some search here on the forum and after a while found this:
Note that there are some "off limits" areas to the forum that you will be able to access as soon as you reach the minimum 10 post. Other off limit areas, for example like the FOTCM, you can only access once you are a member. There are still other off limit areas which are only accessible to the moderators and administrators of this forum.


from a SuperModerator (http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=15325.msg124700#msg124700)

m you see there are some other off limit areas, so "if" is "are" !?
why that back and forth, can't you just answer my question ?

Those are pretty much the "off-limit" areas Pashalis - the Mods area, the FOTCM area and the areas that require more than a certain number of posts.

P.
 
Hi Pashalis. FWIW, considering your number of posts, I think the Mods area and the FOTCM are probably all that's unavailable if you are not a Mod or FOTCM member. If there are more, I don't know about them either or I'm taking something for granted. If you know of something specific you are missing out on, ask, and I will tell you if I see it, but that's all I can do.


Edit: clarity
 
Pashalis said:
I have done some search here on the forum and after a while found this:
Note that there are some "off limits" areas to the forum that you will be able to access as soon as you reach the minimum 10 post. Other off limit areas, for example like the FOTCM, you can only access once you are a member. There are still other off limit areas which are only accessible to the moderators and administrators of this forum.


from a SuperModerator (http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=15325.msg124700#msg124700)

m you see there are some other off limit areas, so "if" is "are" !?
why that back and forth, can't you just answer my question ?

Pashalis, I'm curious about why this seems to matter to you so much? It's perfectly normal to have areas of any forum that not the entire forum can view for administration and other purposes. So, what's up?
 
This has been quoted several places in the forum, but I think it applies here as well.

Gurdjieff said:
"It was pointed out before when we spoke about the history of humanity that the life of humanity to which we belong is governed by forces proceeding from two different sources: first, planetary influences which act entirely mechanically and are received by the human masses as well as by individual people quite involuntarily and unconsciously; and then, influences proceeding from inner circles of humanity whose existence and significance the vast majority of people do not suspect any more than they suspect planetary influences.

"The humanity to which we belong, namely, the whole of historic and prehistoric humanity known to science and civilization, in reality constitutes only the outer circle of humanity, within which there are several other circles.

"So that we can imagine the whole of humanity, known as well as unknown to us, as consisting so to speak of several concentric circles.

"The inner circle is called the 'esoteric'; this circle consists of people who have attained the highest development possible for man, each one of whom possesses individuality in the fullest degree, that is to say, an indivisible 'I,' all forms of consciousness possible for man, full control over these states of consciousness, the whole of knowledge possible for man, and a free and independent will. They cannot perform actions opposed to their understanding or have an understanding which is not expressed by actions. At the same time there can be no discords among them, no differences of understanding. Therefore their activity is entirely co-ordinated and leads to one common aim without any kind of compulsion because it is based upon a common and identical understanding.

"The next circle is called the 'mesoteric,' that is to say, the middle. People who belong to this circle possess all the qualities possessed by the members of the esoteric circle with the sole difference that their knowledge is of a more theoretical character.' This refers, of course, to knowledge of a cosmic character. They know and understand many things which have not yet found expression in their actions. They know more than they do. But their understanding is precisely as exact as, and therefore precisely identical with, the understanding of the people of the esoteric circle. Between them there can be, no discord, there can be no misunderstanding. One understands in the way they all understand, and all understand in the way one understands. But as was said before, this understanding compared with the understanding of the esoteric circle is somewhat more theoretical.

"The third circle is called the 'exoteric,' that is, the outer, because it is the outer circle of the inner part of humanity. The people who belong to this circle possess much of that which belongs to people of the esoteric and mesoteric circles but their cosmic knowledge is of a more philosophical character, that is to say, it is more abstract than the knowledge of the mesoteric circle. A member of the mesoteric circle calculates, a member of the exoteric circle contemplates. Their understanding may not be expressed in actions. But there cannot be differences in understanding between them. What one understands all the others understand.

"In literature which acknowledges the existence of esotericism humanity is usually divided into two circles only and the 'exoteric circle' as opposed to the 'esoteric,' is called ordinary life. In reality, as we see, the 'exoteric circle' is something very far from us and very high. For ordinary man this is already 'esotericism.'

"The outer circle' is the circle of mechanical humanity to which we belong and which alone we know. The first sign of this circle is that among people who belong to it there is not and there cannot be a common understanding. Everybody understands in his own way and all differently. This circle is sometimes called the circle of the 'confusion of tongues,' that is, the circle in which each one speaks in his own particular language, where no one understands another and takes no trouble to be understood. In this circle mutual understanding between people is impossible excepting in rare exceptional moments or in matters having no great significance, and which are confined to the limits of the given being. If people belonging to this circle become conscious of this general lack of understanding and acquire a desire to understand and to be understood, then it means they have an unconscious tendency towards the inner circle because mutual understanding begins only in the exoteric circle and is possible only there. But the consciousness of the lack of understanding usually comes to people in an altogether different form.

"So that the possibility for people to understand depends on the possibility of penetrating into the exoteric circle where understanding begins.

As near as I can tell, the Cass sites (forum, QFG, etc) are set up in this way. I think of it as a library, where students are busy reading, and in walks a redneck lumberjack, stops at the first student, and says, "Whatcha readin for?" The redneck lumberjack just isn't at the same place in understanding as the rest of the students, and is injecting noise...the redneck lumberjack might -be- one of the students, in time, and understand what everyone's readin' for, and possibly think back and laugh, thinking how silly he used to be, barging in and asking his "perfectly reasonable" question.
 
anart said:
Pashalis said:
I have done some search here on the forum and after a while found this:
Note that there are some "off limits" areas to the forum that you will be able to access as soon as you reach the minimum 10 post. Other off limit areas, for example like the FOTCM, you can only access once you are a member. There are still other off limit areas which are only accessible to the moderators and administrators of this forum.


from a SuperModerator (http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=15325.msg124700#msg124700)

m you see there are some other off limit areas, so "if" is "are" !?
why that back and forth, can't you just answer my question ?

Pashalis, I'm curious about why this seems to matter to you so much? It's perfectly normal to have areas of any forum that not the entire forum can view for administration and other purposes. So, what's up?

I think my predator and what I learned here (to question all and everything, always). I think that's why it matters so much .

I've noticed in the past when I thought about Laura, her work and this forum, there is always this voice in my head that tells me there are hidden agendas (test them you will find it).
I think this trains of thought are inspired by (to question all and everything, and don't believe) and most likely by the deformation of Laura and here work that circulate on the Internet olso .

I've noticed that I sometimes watched Laura and this forum to find something that tells me
ha Laura/forum Gotcha! good job Pashalis

And even when I'm pretty sure that Laura, her work, this forum is honest (provided by evidens that I collect that shows it )
only one post or something in the net that is questioning it (mostly based on presumptions), can trigger me to forget the evidence that speaks against hidden agendas.
 
Pashalis said:
I think my predator and what I learned here (to question all and everything, always). I think that's why it matters so much .

I've noticed in the past when I thought about Laura, her work and this forum, there is always this voice in my head that tells me there are hidden agendas (test them you will find it).
I think this trains of thought are inspired by (to question all and everything, and don't believe) and most likely by the deformation of Laura and here work that circulate on the Internet olso .

I've noticed that I sometimes watched Laura and this forum to find something that tells me
ha Laura/forum Gotcha! good job Pashalis

And even when I'm pretty sure that Laura, her work, this forum is honest (provided by evidens that I collect that shows it )
only one post or something in the net that is questioning it (mostly based on presumptions), can trigger me to forget the evidence that speaks against hidden agendas.

I can understand that Pashalis and it is good that you are writing about it and keep questioning, that's what it is about: questioning yourself and also the forum and what you can find here.

About the fellowship you can find for example these things and you can apply for it:

About the Fellowship of the Cosmic Mind and also here the main site of the fellowship: FOTCM
 
Pashalis said:
I think my predator and what I learned here (to question all and everything, always). I think that's why it matters so much .

I've noticed in the past when I thought about Laura, her work and this forum, there is always this voice in my head that tells me there are hidden agendas (test them you will find it).
I think this trains of thought are inspired by (to question all and everything, and don't believe) and most likely by the deformation of Laura and here work that circulate on the Internet olso .

I've noticed that I sometimes watched Laura and this forum to find something that tells me
ha Laura/forum Gotcha! good job Pashalis

And even when I'm pretty sure that Laura, her work, this forum is honest (provided by evidens that I collect that shows it )
only one post or something in the net that is questioning it (mostly based on presumptions), can trigger me to forget the evidence that speaks against hidden agendas.

Remember that "the predator" is just a term we use for the concept of many *I*s that is used by Gurdjieff and others. If you read Martha Stout's book "The Myth of Sanity", you will better understand it from a more modern psychological standpoint. If you read Steve Mithen's book "The Prehsitory of the Mind" you will understand it from the point of view of cognitive science.

Anyway, it is this "predator" or many *I*s that produces such variability of perspective within an individual. Mouravieff, in his Gnosis trilogy discusses ways and means of fusing all these parts into a single I. Stout talks about therapy that brings all the parts together. Mithen talks about a certain kind of intelligence that can gain access to all the different parts of the mind. Apparently, some people have it almost naturally, others have to work very hard for it, and still others may never have it because of the way their brain is wired.

A person who goes back and forth in the way you describe is a person who "sits on two (or more) stools" - they want something higher and better, but they are unable to master their own machine. One part of them wants to, but another part of them is afraid (run by programmed thought loops). They are like the individual described in the parable of the coach where the horse is totally undisciplined and the coach is in very sad state.

A person in your position, Pashalis, really needs to just TRY what is available to you here first: diet, EE program, and learning how to discuss with your intellect and not your emotions. For us, it's "try before you buy." If you don't like the results, fine, go your way. But if, on the other hand, you discover a growing clarity inside you as a result of detoxing your body, mind and emotions, if you discover a growing strength and unity of mind and purpose, then you will demonstrate that by your words and actions and then you may want to help others achieve the same. At that point, you begin to do that naturally! And others will notice. The esoteric rule is: when the student is ready, the teacher appears.
 
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