off limit areas ?

[Cosmos]

I think my predator and what I learned here (to question all and everything, always). I think that's why it matters so much .

I've noticed in the past when I thought about Laura, her work and this forum, there is always this voice in my head that tells me there are hidden agendas (test them you will find it).
I think this trains of thought are inspired by (to question all and everything, and don't believe) and most likely by the deformation of Laura and here work that circulate on the Internet olso .

I've noticed that I sometimes watched Laura and this forum to find something that tells me
ha Laura/forum Gotcha! good job Pashalis

And even when I'm pretty sure that Laura, her work, this forum is honest (provided by evidens that I collect that shows it )
only one post or something in the net that is questioning it (mostly based on presumptions), can trigger me to forget the evidence that speaks against hidden agendas.

Remember that "the predator" is just a term we use for the concept of many *I*s that is used by Gurdjieff and others. If you read Martha Stout's book "The Myth of Sanity", you will better understand it from a more modern psychological standpoint. If you read Steve Mithen's book "The Prehsitory of the Mind" you will understand it from the point of view of cognitive science.

Anyway, it is this "predator" or many *I*s that produces such variability of perspective within an individual. Mouravieff, in his Gnosis trilogy discusses ways and means of fusing all these parts into a single I. Stout talks about therapy that brings all the parts together. Mithen talks about a certain kind of intelligence that can gain access to all the different parts of the mind. Apparently, some people have it almost naturally, others have to work very hard for it, and still others may never have it because of the way their brain is wired.

A person who goes back and forth in the way you describe is a person who "sits on two (or more) stools" - they want something higher and better, but they are unable to master their own machine. One part of them wants to, but another part of them is afraid (run by programmed thought loops). They are like the individual described in the parable of the coach where the horse is totally undisciplined and the coach is in very sad state.

A person in your position, Pashalis, really needs to just TRY what is available to you here first: diet, EE program, and learning how to discuss with your intellect and not your emotions. For us, it's "try before you buy." If you don't like the results, fine, go your way. But if, on the other hand, you discover a growing clarity inside you as a result of detoxing your body, mind and emotions, if you discover a growing strength and unity of mind and purpose, then you will demonstrate that by your words and actions and then you may want to help others achieve the same. At that point, you begin to do that naturally! And others will notice. The esoteric rule is: when the student is ready, the teacher appears.

Yea I'm really not mastering my own machine.
there is a really strong programm that drives me, I'm fighting against the products of the programm every day.
I'm currently not ready to talk about it.

Edit: spelling

 

[Laura]

Yea I'm really not mastering my one machine.
there is a really strong programm that drives me, I'm fighting against the products of the programm every day.
I'm currently not ready to talk about it.

Spend some time reading the science and anecdotal information about the diet and try it. Spend some time reading the science and anecdotal material about the EE program and try it. That's pretty easy to do from where you are right this minute and if you read the science, you'll be reassured that no harm can come to you. If you never do anything but that, it helps YOU and that's what we are interested in. Those who want to go further, to get in a condition where they can be of help to others, can do that too. Maybe that's not your bag, and that's okay.

 

[Joe]

I have done some search here on the forum and after a while found this:
Note that there are some "off limits" areas to the forum that you will be able to access as soon as you reach the minimum 10 post. Other off limit areas, for example like the FOTCM, you can only access once you are a member. There are still other off limit areas which are only accessible to the moderators and administrators of this forum.

from a SuperModerator (http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=15325.msg124700#msg124700)

m you see there are some other off limit areas, so "if" is "are" !?
why that back and forth, can't you just answer my question ?

Pashalis, I'm curious about why this seems to matter to you so much? It's perfectly normal to have areas of any forum that not the entire forum can view for administration and other purposes. So, what's up?

I think my predator and what I learned here (to question all and everything, always). I think that's why it matters so much .

I've noticed in the past when I thought about Laura, her work and this forum, there is always this voice in my head that tells me there are hidden agendas (test them you will find it).
I think this trains of thought are inspired by (to question all and everything, and don't believe) and most likely by the deformation of Laura and here work that circulate on the Internet olso .

I've noticed that I sometimes watched Laura and this forum to find something that tells me
ha Laura/forum Gotcha! good job Pashalis

And even when I'm pretty sure that Laura, her work, this forum is honest (provided by evidens that I collect that shows it )
only one post or something in the net that is questioning it (mostly based on presumptions), can trigger me to forget the evidence that speaks against hidden agendas.

Sounds like you're your own worst enemy then. How do you expect to find anything of truth if some part of you is always going to call it "lies", leaving you only with yourself (that suspicious, ill-thinking part of you) to rely on? Do you think you'll ever find anything of any value that way? There is the possibility that there is another part of you that can discern Truth from lies effectively, but you have to master that "ill thinking" part of yourself first in order to give the higher "Seeing" part of yourself a chance to grow. The bottom line is, it's your choice. Some faith is needed at first, and it can be scary, but when you think about the options, do you really have anything to lose? If something that you believed to be true turns out to be a lie then you have learned something and have grown in knowledge. But you'll never learn anything if that ill thinking part of yourself stops you form ever really committing to exploring and trying something in earnest.

 

[Buddy]

Hi Pashalis. I just wanted to say that I believe Laura and Perceval have just explained why there is no need for any tension related to this place or any activities promoted or engaged in.

I really enjoy these kinds of explanations and have a small collection of them for use when needed.

Oddly, it seems, the people who most need to understand that the Work is very much real, yet much simpler than the metaphors used to describe parts of it tend to make it look, cannot seem to accept that fact. Probably because they are so stuck in their own internal symbolic reality and don't realize they have been conditioned to play perceptual games with themselves to keep from seeing things the way they are.

That's all. And I reckon that's one of the benefits of being able to look at things from many perspectives yet still see how it all fits together.

Remember that "the predator" is just a term we use for the concept of many *I*s that is used by Gurdjieff and others. If you read Martha Stout's book "The Myth of Sanity", you will better understand it from a more modern psychological standpoint. If you read Steve Mithen's book "The Prehsitory of the Mind" you will understand it from the point of view of cognitive science.

Anyway, it is this "predator" or many *I*s that produces such variability of perspective within an individual. Mouravieff, in his Gnosis trilogy discusses ways and means of fusing all these parts into a single I. Stout talks about therapy that brings all the parts together. Mithen talks about a certain kind of intelligence that can gain access to all the different parts of the mind. Apparently, some people have it almost naturally, others have to work very hard for it, and still others may never have it because of the way their brain is wired.

In terms of honesty (straightforwardness), if you can see how Laura's response exactly matched and balanced your own, then you are in good shape, OSIT, otherwise I'd take the reading suggestions seriously! :)

Some faith is needed at first, and it can be scary, but when you think about the options, do you really have anything to lose? If something that you believed to be true turns out to be a lie then you have learned something and have grown in knowledge.

Indeed.


Edit: re-edited for clarity.