Ongoing Events in China

DOWN THE MEMORY HOLE China’s ex-president is ERASED from internet after he’s bundled from Xi meeting – as state media claim he was ‘unwell’ (footage here)

"CHINA'S ex-president has been erased from the internet after he was bundled out of a meeting with Xi Jinping - as state media claimed he was "unwell".

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Hu Jintao, 79, was unexpectedly removed from his seat next to president Xi and marched off stage at the televised Communist Party Congress.

He's since had his name erased from Weibo, China's version of Twitter, which appears to be heavily censored or limited reports to those of official accounts.

Later, state news agency Xinhua said Jintao was escorted off stage because he was "not feeling well".

"When he was not feeling well during the session, his staff, for his health, accompanied him to a room next to the meeting venue for a rest. Now, he is much better." :umm:

The former Chinese leader was manhandled out of today's closing ceremony."
 
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DOWN THE MEMORY HOLE China’s ex-president is ERASED from internet after he’s bundled from Xi meeting – as state media claim he was ‘unwell’ (footage here)

"CHINA'S ex-president has been erased from the internet after he was bundled out of a meeting with Xi Jinping - as state media claimed he was "unwell".

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Hu Jintao, 79, was unexpectedly removed from his seat next to president Xi and marched off stage at the televised Communist Party Congress.

He's since had his name erased from Weibo, China's version of Twitter, which appears to be heavily censored or limited reports to those of official accounts.

Later, state news agency Xinhua said Jintao was escorted off stage because he was "not feeling well".

"When he was not feeling well during the session, his staff, for his health, accompanied him to a room next to the meeting venue for a rest. Now, he is much better." :umm:

The former Chinese leader was manhandled out of today's closing ceremony."
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Looks like a nothing burger to me. We know how heavily China have clamped down on COVID, and watching the video, he doesn’t look well to me. There are other major politicians from the meeting that return zero results on Chinese twitter, and if Hu really is unwell, the state tweets aren’t going to be making a massive deal out of the fact if the implication is he could have infected everyone he was sat with.

Chinese state media reported the incident that night, so there’s no blackout. “Erased from the internet” is a bit different to him not being mentioned in government twitter posts.

He wasn’t ‘manhandled by guards’ as some stories say. He was escorted out. The papers that The Sun are spinning that Xi tried to keep from him look to me like the same papers every other politician on the stand have a copy of, including Hu. And the guy who escorts Hu off stage seems to bring Hu’s copy for him.

The flavour of the whole story from The Sun is spin and hot air. “Down the Memory Hole”? “ERASED from Internet”?

‘China bad’ is the main message.
 
Re: Hu Jintao's 'removal'. According to commentators that seem to take a more balanced perspective on China, and who seem to be better informed, they provide footage showing that he was escorted on both days when he arrived and when he left. The speculation is that he's rather frail and is thus receiving assistance.

That also seems to be a much more reasonable explanation.

Tweets with commentary and footage:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1584076923801460737
https://twitter.com/x/status/1583841354139848704

https://twitter.com/x/status/1583767589418737664

https://twitter.com/x/status/1583818482336268288

https://twitter.com/x/status/1583804081415811072
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As an aside, it reminded me of this actual incident at a UK Labour party conferrence in 2005:
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The Labour Party has apologised after an 82-year-old member was thrown out of its annual conference for heckling.

Walter Wolfgang, from London, was ejected from the hall after shouting "nonsense" as Foreign Secretary Jack Straw defended Iraq policy.

Police later used powers under the Terrorism Act to prevent Mr Wolfgang's re-entry, but he was not arrested.
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That also seems to be a much more reasonable explanation.
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Indeed. It never fails to amaze me how people who are capable of seeing through the west's machinations in so many ways, even regarding Russia, seem to have a critical thinking 'blind spot' with regard to China. "Okay, so the govt lied about 911, Afghanistan, Iraq, the GFC, Syria, covid and Russia, but they're right not to trust them damn chi-commies!" 🙄

Russophobia and Sinophobia - two spores spawned from the same western fungus?
 
Chad said:
Re: Hu Jintao's 'removal'. According to commentators that seem to take a more balanced perspective on China, and who seem to be better informed, they provide footage showing that he was escorted on both days when he arrived and when he left. The speculation is that he's rather frail and is thus receiving assistance.

That also seems to be a much more reasonable explanation.
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Hey Chad... I totally hear / see what you and others are saying...

In the footage here, Jintao definitely did not seem to want to go, he seemed quite resistant.

I found another video here. It shows a bit more of him not wanting to leave and he sure seems a bit 'cranky'.

The energy around it generally seemed a bit strange, the guy who was 'helping' him was pressuring him a lot and trying to pull him out of the seat... but Jintao was not exactly cooperating.

That guy looked like he was really gripping Jintao's arm and pressuring him, he seemed to be giving him reasonably quiet but firm instructions - both men were pressuring him, it was not like he had much choice. You see Jintao pull his arm away several times and want to sit back down, as if he does not want to leave or to be 'escorted'. I got the impression he wanted to walk on his own, but more than that, he wanted to stay.

Does it really take two guys to get him to a quiet spot to sit down? Yes if he could hardly walk/needed to be carried but Jintao was walking pretty quick smart for a 'frail old fella', who was supposedly unwell. It just felt a bit 'heavy'.

If he was 'sick' or 'feeling unwell' I doubt they would be letting him sit anywhere near Xi in the first place.
Xi looked like he just couldn't wait for him to be gone, like he was 'tolerating' him and could not wait to 'get on with it'.

I would never grab at my grandmother when she was unwell and struggling to walk, I would give her my arm and support her, let her use my body for support and walk gently at her pace, not haul her off as fast as possible.

On the other hand, I see that Jintao could have been having a moment where he could not get out of the chair and felt unwell but did not want to be humiliated in front of cameras and those present. He could have been having a bit of a 'senior moment' on some level, he seems a bit disoriented and slightly belligerent. If so, he still seems to be doing a million times better than Biden!

It all just seemed a bit weird. :umm: (and why would they be wiping stuff about him off the internet? Is someone being unwell at this event considered 'Bad Feng Shui' for Xi? An omen? Im confused.)

If its a 'nuthin burger', it's all good; but can I at least have fries hot chips with that? God I miss hot chips. :-P
 
I came across this video from Matthew Ehret's youtube channel The Rising Tide Foundation and this Chinese scholar (?) proposes that Xi's escorting of Hu out of the meeting was indeed to send a message that (according to him): 'plutocrats no longer run China, and that China needs to maintain unity as it's under threat'.

I've heard other talks from this speaker where he describes, in great detail, China's history, philosophiical and political figures, and so on, and he certainly seems to know his stuff. It also does seem reasonable to think that this incident could have been used to send a message; albeit perhaps not as melodramatic or simple as the one cooked up by the Western press; subtler but still very significant.

I've included the computer generated transcript in the quote below, but if someone would care to summarise it for others in more detail than i've just done, please do!






it was a sign for the Chinese people and

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the Chinese ruling class that it is not

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and it is not acceptable anymore for the

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plutocrats to run a mark in China and

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what happened to Jack ma in 2020

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it was a a sign that the the Chinese

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ruling class wouldn't be uh merciless to

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the plutocrats from now on in China

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and the other major faction in China is

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the Chinese

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youth league and the Chinese nuclear the

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leader of the Chinese youth youth league

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is the former president who's in town

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okay and I think that all of you saw the

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clips of a minute about the fact that

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President hujing Tao has been escorted

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out of the of the hall

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and it was a political move okay because

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president who's in the former president

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who

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expected that his protege

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would have been accepted inside the

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police Bureau and since he discovered at

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the last day that it it's not the case

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he was trying to to to provoke a scandal

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when the uh foreign journalists were

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introduced into the Hall

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and uh so that that scene also I think

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has been has been the stage to send a

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clear message to the Chinese ruling

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class and the Chinese people that China

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is going through

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a difficult period and that absolute or

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almost absolute Unity is needed inside

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China to overcome

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uh the uh the heck wins ahead

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Interesting twitter thread on the real purpose behind China's 'zero-Covid' preparations. In the quote below you can find the first 2 tweets in the thread, but i've also used the unroll app and pasted the whole thread for ease of reading in the quote:

One highlight as to what China has achieved:

'3 months ago, my Covid test result took 14-18 hrs to show on WeChat. Yesterday, it took 4 hrs.

A temporary COVID test site used to be 15 minutes away. Now, a permanent site is 2 minutes away.

China has built and refined a robust pandemic wall that will withstand the next biological invasion.

Is it a conspiracy theory?

Well, China has reasons to believe that the next biological war will come.'

https://twitter.com/x/status/1591576279236874241
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Thread by @KeaweWong on Thread Reader App

@KeaweWong: Tiny crack opens in China’s zero-Covid wall - Reuters The truth is the wall has been strengthened to prevent another invasion. In this 🧵, we see how China is preparing for war and what opportunities it...…
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Tiny crack opens in China’s zero-Covid wall
- Reuters

The truth is the wall has been strengthened to prevent another invasion.

In this 🧵, we see how China is preparing for war and what opportunities it offers the world.
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3 months ago, my Covid test result took 14-18 hrs to show on WeChat. Yesterday, it took 4 hrs.

A temporary COVID test site used to be 15 minutes away. Now, a permanent site is 2 minutes away.

Is China stuck at ZERO COVID? Not at all.
#2

China has built and refined a robust pandemic wall that will withstand the next biological invasion.

Is it a conspiracy theory?

Well, China has reasons to believe that the next biological war will come.
#3

After a plane or train crash, authorities will determine the cause and find ways to prevent it from happening again.

But nope. The West is only interested in playing politics rather than addressing the root cause of the pandemic,

Here's what worries China the most.
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We cannot prevent the next pandemic without knowing whether the last one was caused by natural or research-related spillovers.

But a new and more deadly COVID variant has already been created in Boston 👇
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China will not fully reopen to the world anytime soon.

But China can ease access to mainly business people and international students since the pandemic shield has been put in place.

In the meantime, China is fighting a much bigger war than the pandemic.
#6

Western Imperialists will never stop until they tear China apart.

Listen to thought leaders George Yeo, Martin Jacques and Kishore Mahbubani 👇
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In 2019, President Xi made an imperative statement.

Xi said tough times are coming. It will last for a decade. China must develop itself to become self-sufficient.

Since then, China has been preparing itself for an invasion by the West.
#8

5,000 years of history have taught Chinese leaders that a strong country must:
– put its land to effective use
– have a robust transportation network
– make proper use of its resources
– give full scope to its talents

地尽其利，货畅其留，物尽其用，人尽其才
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Can China outrun the West? Not yet.

Despite China's well-built transportation system, other areas (mentioned in #9) are still being developed.

The arable land in China can feed 43% of its people. China is investing heavily in modernizing agriculture to increase yields.
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About 25% of China's energy comes from renewable sources. It will increase to 50% within 10 years.

1,400 top scientists who are of Chinese descent have returned to China. This trend will continue.
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Here is how the world can take advantage of China's development.

China's universities are high quality, low-cost and welcome international students.

During a tradeshow in Zhuhai last week, $100 billion in deals were made. China is wide open to foreign businesses.
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China will make compromises to buy time to develop all four fronts (mentioned in #9).

By 2035, China's living standards will be equal to Europe's. By 2050, China will be the most advanced society in the world for the sixth time in its history.
– Martin Jacques

#13
👇🔊🎶
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China's Xi takes Trudeau to task on camera for leaking a discussion they'd had at the G20.

Sputnik:
Chinese President Xi Jinping appeared to reprimand Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau on Wednesday for disclosing private discussions to the news media, in an informal exchange of words partially captured in a video recording in a busy lobby area of the G20 summit in Bali.

"Everything we discussed is leaked to the paper. That's not appropriate, " Xi's interpreter says in English near the start of the clip, adding, "That's not the way the conversation was conducted."

Trudeau is heard responding that "In Canada, we believe in free and open and frank dialogue," adding that they would "work constructively together but there will be things we will disagree on."Xi responds that they will need to create the conditions first before the exchange abruptly ends.
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Posted here: 'Not appropriate': China's President Xi reprimands Canada's PM Trudeau ON CAMERA for leaking G20 discussion -- Sott.net

Footage with insightful commentary:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1592861791222378497

https://twitter.com/x/status/1592863896565518336

Note that Germany's Scholz recent visit to China: 'Xi stressed [to Scholz] that political trust is easy to destroy but difficult to rebuild'.
 
Yes, this video clip was played on our local media, (Global News), but with no sound. Another conversation was invented for the story, and played out as if Trudeau was schooling Xi. The reporter then asked someone who I think was in his entourage, whether Trudeau had brought up a conversation about human rights, and the respondent said, 'no conversation, we just told them what our position is', acting like they were speaking from a position of power. It is like a kindergarten student schooling the teacher. This is how our media works.
 

Massive "Violent" Unrest Rocks World's Largest iPhone Factory In China​


https://twitter.com/x/status/1595382906070761473

"Wednesday's protest underscores how President Xi Jinping's zero Covid policy that requires factories like the iPhone one in Zhengzhou to operate as "closed loops" can backfire."

"It's really a mess," Barry Naughton, a professor at the University of California San Diego who specializes in Chinese economics, told Bloomberg. "They've created a situation where the local decision-makers are under intolerable pressure," he said.
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Plenty of commentary and videos in the article below:

Massive "Violent" Unrest Rocks World's Largest iPhone Factory In China | ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero
www.zerohedge.com www.zerohedge.com
 

COVID Lockdown Protests Erupt In Beijing, Xinjiang After Deadly Fire​


"Crowds took to the street in Urumqi, the capitol of Xinjiang, with protesters chanting "End the lockdown!" while pumping their fists in the air, following the circulation of videos of the fire on Chinese social media on Friday night."

"Protest videos show people in a plaza singing China's national anthem - particularly the line: "Rise up, those who refuse to be slaves!" Others shouted that they did not want lockdowns. In the northern Beijing district of Tiantongyuan, residents tore down signs and took to the streets."

COVID Lockdown Protests Erupt In Beijing, Xinjiang After Deadly Fire | ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero
www.zerohedge.com www.zerohedge.com
 
Possible insight from a guy in Hong Kong about what he thinks is currently happening in China. In short, from a quick read: 80% of people support the Zero Covid policy, but, despite this, 50% are getting 'tired' of it.

The deaths due to the fire in Urumqui, Xinjiang, detailed in the post above, occurred amidst a 100 day-long lockdown, which is against government policy.

He claims that, 'You can smell a colourful revolution miles away if you have experienced it as I did in 1989 and 2019.', and that people he has spoken to see 'foreign interference' occurring in some of this unrest.

He goes on to talk about how zero covid has saved China from long covid - well, i don't buy that, but much of what he's saying about people supporting ZC, as well as also being frustrated by the lockdowns, in addition to possible foreign interference, seem reasonable enough.

Added: He also notes that these protests aren't everywhere, and that people in China, overall, don't want to overthrow their government. And for me, what with the US making its overtures about China so obvious in the last year, it's likely that more people in China than ever are aware that maintaining stability of some kind is increasingly important, even if they are sick of the lockdowns.

The thread is made of about 14+ tweets, a few of which are posted below:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1596919822016974848
https://twitter.com/x/status/1596919877230792704
https://twitter.com/x/status/1596919894859481090
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I'm starting to think that China is still worried that this virus is in some way ethnic-specific, although over the past two years there hasn't been any evidence of a higher rate of infection or death among Chinese people around the world.
 
About the protests

It was reported a couple weeks ago, that foxcomm promised a sizeable bonus to the daily wages for people who stay at the factory and keep working...
A video I saw yesterday said they were not getting their bonuses as promised. That on top of zero covid, and you can see how distrustful the Chinese would feel toward their govt.
And the quality of Apple phones will dip as a result.
 
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