opiate addiction and the ascension process

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hello all. im pretty familiar with much of the cassiopaea material, although im just starting out as far as the forums are concerned. I wanted to ask a question that has been bothering me ever since I started reading into the ideas about DNA activation/ascension/the wave and things of that nature, which I only recently started finding info about online...although theories about human evolution and the nature of the cosmos has always been something I have found myself extremely interested in since I was a child.


For about 6 years, I was struggling with an addiction to opiates (hydrocodone, oxycodone) about 6 or 7 months ago I enrolled myself in a detox/recovery center and spent 2 weeks detoxing while also being treated with suboxone. for those of you not familiar with suboxone, its an opioid drug which partially fills in opiate receptors and blocks other opiates from linking up to said receptors. this prevents withdrawl as well as possible relapse.

since I got out, I enrolled myself in another program which involves group therapy, one-on-one therapy, as well as suboxone therapy. its been working out great for me and I havent had any problems with my older destructive habits so far.

now my question is this: does anybody have any opinions on opiates or other depressants and their potential ability to inhibit spiritual/cellular growth? I have undergone many spiritual changes in my life recently which I believe will better prepare me for the inevitable upcoming changes in mass consciousness on the planet. I really just want to make sure I am fully prepared for any opportunities that might present themselves, and if these changes are of a evolutionary/physical/spiritual nature, I dont want to miss out on them. since I am on suboxone to prevent relapse for the time being (I am in the process of being weaned off of it, Im scheduled to be completely off in about 3 months) should I completely just drop the suboxone and sit out the withdrawls in order to facilitate spiritual growth more rapidly? since all opiates produce sort of a "numb" felling, im not sure if they are blocking my ability to fully develop myself on all levels. although I only have 3 more months to go before im totally done.

or maybe im just worrying about this too much. either way, ive been otherwise clean for 7 months, and im on my way to ending suboxone treatment in the upcoming months. this is something I have been giving much thought to, but im stuck. should I just stick with the program?
 
I would recommend that you continue to wean off of it - you don't want to sabotage yourself and make it harder to get completely off of everything. Don't stress about time, just do what is before you to do, which right now is continuing to get (completely) clean. Just my perspective, others might have more input.
 
I agree with anart, if the suboxone therapy is doing what it should, I don't see a reason to get off it, even if it is an opiate. It is the lesser of two evils.

Although this is a very sketchy comparison, but we at the forum do take all sorts of supplements to alter our chemistry (for the better), so I assume that something like this would be an acceptable compromise in your situation. Maybe you can concentrate on intellectual activity, i.e. reading during these times.
 
timeshhift said:
...now my question is this: does anybody have any opinions on opiates or other depressants and their potential ability to inhibit spiritual/cellular growth? ...
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I will add only that it means you are coming from having been affected by those substances, as opposed to coming from not having taken those substances. Everybody comes from somewhere different. Growth is not a simple process. Things that seem like they would "inhibit" might not, and things that seem like they should help might not either; it's not entirely predictable. Each fork in the path presents new emergent possibilities. But do take care of your "machine."
 
Progress starts from wherever you are at the moment you want to work, regardless of circumstances. Stressful and challenging situations seem to produce better results if one is working. Weening off of the subs is well-advised, and you seem to be following all the necessary and proper steps to facilitate a good basis for recovery. Be prepared for what comes after you have completed the detox. You won't feel all that great, you will have a period of discomfort. This will be one of those times when doing the work will produce better results. If opiate abuse stunted your spiritual growth, then your current situation will most certainly speed it up if you put forth the effort.
I look at it like this: drug abuse is one of the most self-centered, STS activities one can participate in. This sef-gratification must be paid for in some way. So, when you stop the drugs, the withdrawal is part of that price. If you pay it in full, willingly, not complaining and working the entire time, you may even come out ahead.
Be strong.
FWIW
 
Perhaps you could identify the reasons for the initial addiction – what emotional or psychological state you were trying to medicate for – and then have a look at Mark Hyman's book The Ultramind Solution to find natural supplemental methods to balance your brain chemistry.
 
Hi timeshhift, sounds like the suboxone program with group and one on one therapy is working for you. Keep it up, 3 months will pass before you know it. Is there supports in place for you once you have come off the suboxone? If not might be worth looking into. Take care, Aaron.
 
Bar Kochba said:
... I look at it like this: drug abuse is one of the most self-centered, STS activities one can participate in. This sef-gratification must be paid for in some way. So, when you stop the drugs, the withdrawal is part of that price. If you pay it in full, willingly, not complaining and working the entire time, you may even come out ahead ...
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thank you, I didnt really look at it like that before, but now I feel I see things a little more clearly. thats exactly the kind of insight I needed.


Endymion said:
Perhaps you could identify the reasons for the initial addiction – what emotional or psychological state you were trying to medicate for – and then have a look at Mark Hyman's book The Ultramind Solution to find natural supplemental methods to balance your brain chemistry.
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Initially my mom was giving them to me in high school for chronic migraines. I dont get them anymore, but they ended up sticking with me like a disease and the cravings persisted up until treatment began. on a psychological level, my step-father was a drunk and abusive while I was growing up. although he is gone now, hes also something that has stuck with me subconsciously, and even if I forget about it, he ends up in my dreams, so im sure that plays its part as well. I will absolutely check that book out, appreciate it.
 
Also, if you search the forums (see the box in the top right corner, and change it to Entire Forum) for the word opiate, you will find many other previous discussions that may be helpful to you. For what its worth.
 
Ive just finished reading this thread and now have no choice but to look in the face of my own problem and admit to what Ive known deep inside all along. A serious detriment to my own spiritual growth. I have not spoken of this before, but I have been on suboxone for 4 years now, It all started as heroin addiction at 16, I am now 23. In between those years- I cannot even begin to explain the damage Ive done. I recently stopped the subs for 6 days and relapsed on day 7. It is now day 10. I just felt i needed to be honest with the group seeing as i havent disclosed this before. I understand how crucial it is to be rid of opiates for the rest of my life, for I know this will be a lifelong struggle. Luckily I am still very young and I will not and cannot put this off a day longer. Thanks all....
 
Delizco said:
It is now day 10. I just felt i needed to be honest with the group seeing as i havent disclosed this before. I understand how crucial it is to be rid of opiates for the rest of my life, for I know this will be a lifelong struggle. Luckily I am still very young and I will not and cannot put this off a day longer. Thanks all....
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Thank you, Delizco, for sharing. :flowers: It's a very difficult struggle, but at least know that you are not alone in this. We are here for you, but as was already mentioned in this thread, it would be much more effective to have a supportive network or a group near you. Have you tried to look for something where you live?

Also, recently this book (In the Realm of Hungry Ghosts: Close Encounters With Addiction by Gabor Mate) was highly recommended and it has its own thread too. Could be a good idea to read it.

A lot of support and good luck on your path! :hug2:
 
Delizco said:
Ive just finished reading this thread and now have no choice but to look in the face of my own problem and admit to what Ive known deep inside all along. A serious detriment to my own spiritual growth. I have not spoken of this before, but I have been on suboxone for 4 years now, It all started as heroin addiction at 16, I am now 23. In between those years- I cannot even begin to explain the damage Ive done. I recently stopped the subs for 6 days and relapsed on day 7. It is now day 10. I just felt i needed to be honest with the group seeing as i havent disclosed this before. I understand how crucial it is to be rid of opiates for the rest of my life, for I know this will be a lifelong struggle. Luckily I am still very young and I will not and cannot put this off a day longer. Thanks all....
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Congratulations Delizco, a brave and important step you did there by opening up! As Keit said, you are not alone in this and I think in the way you describe it, there is a very good chance that you can free yourself from that burden. Also the book Keit mentioned, directly deals with your problem and is probably indeed the very book you want to read right now. Others here succeeded to overcome their addictions as well and I think we all are also very optimistic that you can do it too!

Keep us informed and don't beat yourself over the head to much, if there are periods where you seem to fall back. That is perfectly normal in that process and as long you have the will (which very much looks like it) you will succeed over time and step by step with it.
 
I agree with Keit and Pashalis. In a sense, we're all addicted to something (emotions, chemicals, etc). In our struggle to overcome them, we will fall back. While this is easier said than done, what matters most is that we keep getting up. Just maybe try to have a bit of compassion for yourself. I'm sure you can succeed!

Definitely keep us updated and let us know how you are doing. :hug2:
 
Delizco said:
Ive just finished reading this thread and now have no choice but to look in the face of my own problem and admit to what Ive known deep inside all along. A serious detriment to my own spiritual growth. I have not spoken of this before, but I have been on suboxone for 4 years now, It all started as heroin addiction at 16, I am now 23. In between those years- I cannot even begin to explain the damage Ive done. I recently stopped the subs for 6 days and relapsed on day 7. It is now day 10. I just felt i needed to be honest with the group seeing as i havent disclosed this before. I understand how crucial it is to be rid of opiates for the rest of my life, for I know this will be a lifelong struggle. Luckily I am still very young and I will not and cannot put this off a day longer. Thanks all....
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Thanks for opening up, Delizco. Addiction is a huge struggle. Don't beat yourself up, just get back up when you fall.
Keep us posted on how you are doing. :hug:
 
If you havent read it yet this thread along with Gabor Mates book are really helpful. http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,31760.msg442361.html#msg442361
 
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