Organised or "Gang" Stalking - Paranoia?

Hey EmeraldHope,

I completely believe what you've written in terms of what your aunt and cousin said to you. I have either witnessed personally or was told by others of the experiences you listed above. All of it has calmed down significantly since I started participating on the forum.

I'll be honest. I don't have all the answers, but I can only tell you what I've experienced and how I was able to get on top of it somewhat.

I'm wondering if you think that your aunt and/or cousin might be interested in the ee program, the reading material here or the forum? I think it might benefit them if they were willing to give it a try. It certainly couldn't hurt.
 
Thanks Truth Seeker.

Actually- there is no way I can get them to do EEe or the forum at this point. I call and read to my cousin a lot from here. My cousin is very wary of owning a computer so they do not have one. The wont even plug in the TV now except on occasion.
My aunt, like I said is very country and I dont think there is any hope of getting her to try EE.

My cousin does meditate a lot.

So much of what I have read to my cousin from here has helped her understand some more so I am very thankful to you all for that.

There is no way to express how horryifying this has been for our family and there is nothing we can do to stop it. It sounds like something straight out of science fiction. It is sad because this topic doesnt get very much exposure at all. I feel it is very important because with this technology people could be being told to do things a lot and they think maybe it is their own idea. It adds a whole new layer to the Castenada flyer concept.

I think that if my cousin was not degreed in psychology she would not have help up this well for this long.
 
Just curious, are you experiencing these things yourself as well or are you witnessing these things happening to them? Or both?
 
No- I do not experience these things, nor have I been a witness to them. They live in a different stae than I do.
I have been trying to help for years now though. I know what I know from taking what they were telling me and reserching it to try to find answers. Over the years more info has come online and we have been able to connect some dots. We dont really know what it is all about really.
This has been an ongoing process for years now.

I dont know if I can convery how much it just isnt possible for my aunt to make this up or for my cousin to be delusional.
I have visted there once during the last 5 years during the day and saw nothing out of the ordinary but based on the pattern this seems to happen at night.
Since we dont know if what they are seeing is physical or electronically induced in some way I cannot even begin to fogure out how to document it. Any suggestions would be appreciated. If I can figure out how to document it I could go up there and get the data.
 
Dear EmeraldHope--

Thank you for your willingness to understand, and compassion. Knowing that one person to whom this has not happened still is willing to believe it, well this to me is profoundly reassuring. Even just that willingness to listen with compassion to what your Cousin and Aunt are going through is a great and rare gift.

It must be very hard for you, knowing what you know, to feel so powerless. That is where a lot of people choose to just disconnect from the source of the pain, which is compassion for others. Your expression of that here, especially as a non-TI, gives me much hope.
 
You are very welcome raccoon. That is in part why I fought myself to post what I did- to be able to be supportive. I have done enough research into government patents, private patents , psychology, etc to have a pretty good understanding of electronic harrassment in particular and the other areas also as a part of the research I have done into this. I was aware of MK Ultra and Project Monarch prior to this but I had no idea about any of these other things until this family mystery came into light and I started digging. It just seems so unfair and horrible. In a round about way this subject and my big run in with a psychopath myself led me here.

I totaly believe both of them because the way this played out there is no way my aunt, who is not very educated, could have come up with these concepts- nor her next door neighboor. And my cousin, even though she is educated, had no concept of these things we found. The pieces kept fitting together with all the data I found. It was a round peg fitting a round hole so there is no way I do not believe them. Also some of the concepts that were sent to them via the what I think is voice to skull technology are sexual concepts I know for a fact that my aunt was not familiar with- she was truely horrified.

It's a no brainer really- if the pieces of a puzzle keep fitting together you have to look at the picture it makes no matter what it is or how much you like it.

And what you just said about people just disconnecting from the source who cannot face what is being said- I agree with you 100% percent. I have seen the majority of my family do it to them over the years. I was able to bring my immediate family around by printing them a lot of info I have found online so they are now supportive too. Not to mention the fact that if anyone really looks at how grounded and intelligent they are delusional doesnt fit at all.

I will never stop looking for a way to help them or anyone else with this. Like I said, I will go and try to document it myself if I can figure out how. My concern at this point is that I think what they are seeing and hearing, and even possibly smelling is electronically induced some how. If that is the case I am beating my head up against a wall.

Keep your head up Raccoon. There are many really good people in here. Do the EE program for sure. And read, read, read.
 
Thanks much for the reply EmeraldHope. :) I hope I didn't offend you, I was just wondering because it is rare for people to get someone to listen to them.
 
You did not offend me at all Truth Seeker. It was a perfectly logical question.

It is a shame that emapthy is considered so strange.
 
EmeraldHope said:
You did not offend me at all Truth Seeker. It was a perfectly logical question.

It is a shame that emapthy is considered so strange.

Yes, unfortunately it seems that empathy is often limited by a person's ability or willingness to understand another persons situation.

You said that you were reading some of the forums information to your cousin. Do you think she is willing to think about what's happening to her in terms of the role 4D may play?
 
truth seeker said:
EmeraldHope said:
You did not offend me at all Truth Seeker. It was a perfectly logical question.

It is a shame that emapthy is considered so strange.

Yes, unfortunately it seems that empathy is often limited by a person's ability or willingness to understand another persons situation.

You said that you were reading some of the forums information to your cousin. Do you think she is willing to think about what's happening to her in terms of the role 4D may play?

To be honest I am having a hard time with that. It took quite a while to get them to wrap their head around governments experimenting on citizens etc. They are under so much stress I get the impression that to keep trying to add that layer to it would make them feel more helpless. My aunt for sure isnt going to listen to that. She keeps her head in the sand 80% of the time hoping it will just go away.

My cousin is open a little at some times- BUT shuts me down pretty quickly also. I try to practice external consideration as I do not want to add to her stress unless she wants to go there herself. I have said enough at this point that the door is open if she wants to go there with me, at which point I would be more than willing to help.

To her, 4d isnt as imporant as what is happenning in 3d that she has no control over.
 
Dear friends, Truth Seeker and EmeraldHope, et al.

You two have just given me what I've been searching hard fer years for, and yep, I am much recovered. And double yessirs to my ee practice and readership.

I too have been researching the many available resources on this forbidden topic. But really, see, I lived for two years in a pathocracy in the Arizona desert. There, in a very accessible and daily available way--I had breakfasts with psycho's everyday! Anyway, yes all the pieces fit exactly. See that lil desert cult had a workshop every month, so they'd bring in about 20 bright international idealists and always one psycho--every damn month the same polerology play performed for my enrichment. Every month! And I learned hellalot! Like Truth Seeker said, it is just a function of 4d sts predation. They have only got a handful of tricks--it is we that are so inventive in excusing the inexcusable. So long as we choose not to see, then they can do whatever they want, no matter how obviously. That's the problem with documentation: plausible deniability will always win!

But it is so obvious once you aprehend the psychology: psychopaths and sociopaths exist. What they do is traumatize humans. Now put millions of them in contact through cell phones, and voila, dystopia!

Anyway, I tell you this because you are doing much to get me through the trauma. I believe I've got the skills and experience to put this all together in a way many people can comprehend the internal and inevitable logic of it. I dunno, maybe a puppetshow or something. It so hurts limping around on one cylinder... Truth Seeker I know you understand that and I claim you as my star to get me where I can be of service to others as you are to me. I'm not too far from Tennessee in any event and I hope that somehow I could be of service there... love and ee, r.
 
Hopefully this will further clarify why I believe the gangstalking (gs)/electronic harassment(eh) phenomenon is for the most part 4d sts activity reflected through 3d cointelpro operations. These are a few relevant quotes from Laura's Aliens and Cosmic COINTELPRO article:

This first excerpt I think explains my theory of what's really going on with some of the groups focused on "helping" "targeted individuals".
Usually, when we think of COINTELPRO, we think of the most well known and typical activities which include sending anonymous or fictitious letters designed to start rumors, among other things, publishing false defamatory or threatening information, forging signatures on fake documents, introducing disruptive and subversive members into organizations to destroy them from within, blackmailing insiders in any group to force them to spread false rumors, or to foment factionalism, and so on.

What a lot of people don’t keep in mind is the fact that COINTELPRO also concentrated on creating bogus organizations.

These bogus groups could serve many functions which might include attacking and/or disrupting bona fide groups, or even just simply creating a diversion with clever propaganda in order to attract members away so as to involve them with time-wasting activity designed to prevent them from doing anything useful. COINTELPRO was also famous for instigation of hostile actions through third parties.

This next paragraph explains why I think people experience the various programs. By various programs I mean gs, eh, alien abduction, military abductions, satanic ritual abuse and Truman Show syndrome. I would also go further to include political movements such as: gay rights, women's rights, civil rights movement and others. Going off track a bit, I think all of these work through the individual via their own narcissism (self importance, victim, I'm special, etc).

Self importance in this context can reflect like this: "I believe that such and such is happening and no one can tell me otherwise."
Victim: "There is nothing I can do about this."
I'm special: "I secretly enjoy the attention I get from this."
The activities of COINTELPRO in attempting to neutralize political opposition have been pretty well exposed. But we are now considering the fact that, in addition to political activists, it seems that COINTELPRO has particularly targeted groups that are seeking the truth about the interactions between the US government and Ultra Terrestrials, or so-called “aliens.” That a long-time cover-up of these matters has been in effect is certainly evident to any careful researcher.

I would expand the phrase "groups that are seeking the truth" to include everyday people who question by nature. Although I've been to a couple of marches in my life, I think that in my particular case, it was the fact that I was struggling to make sense of the world around me that gave the heads up to 4d sts. It may also be that I that other programs that were attempted didn't take. I could be wrong about this.

The next paragraph is important and reflects what I feel as well.
Again, let me make it clear that I am in no way suggesting that “abductions” or some whacked out satanic rituals do not ever take place somewhere, under some circumstances. What I am suggesting is that the Gray Alien and SRA phenomenon most certainly was not restricted in any way by COINTELPRO, and may indeed be the smoke and mirrors that hides a far more insidious state of affairs.

This next excerpt is interesting as it underscore the timing of such events. It also connects some of the various programs used.
The C’s comments take on a whole new meaning in light of the present situation - 9-11 and all that - as well as Bush’s drive for “war.” We also note the most interesting remark that “awareness of the activities of aliens in and around our planet” is “factionalized and compartmentalized.” And this is where we come to the COINTELPRO function of creating bogus organizations to attack or disrupt bona fide groups.

We have already noted the fact that research in Electrical Stimulation of the brain could produce hallucinations. If you put hallucinations together with words, you can produce just about anything that you want in the way of “noise” to obscure the truth - including the “shape-shifting reptoids-as-humans,” or a “gray dude in the bathroom,” or a “Guardian Alliance,” or a “Nibiruan Council,” or an “Ashtar Command,” or talking whales and dolphins, etc. You name it - they can produce it via voices in the head and hallucinations and transmissions of frequencies that produce ecstatic states, healings, or whatever. And so it is that the human element of the Cosmic COINTELPRO operation manages their many “agents” of disinformation - pied pipers leading the masses of New Age seekers - so that whatever the real truth is remains their secret. And that’s exactly the way they want it.

Notice the dates in the above quote from Dolan’s book telling us that in the early 70s certain technologies were being developed that could “broadcast” signals over the entire nation. We certainly suspect that this technology was developed further in the subsequent years. The question is: what did they do with it? Better yet, what ARE they doing with it?

What strikes me as an essential turning point in this COINTELPRO operation was the beginning of the “expose” of two particular items that hold sway in certain “conspiracy” circles to this very day: Alien Abduction and Satanic Ritual Abuse.

The Gray alien scenario was “leaked” by Budd Hopkins. Whitley Strieber’s alien abduction books, including Communion, followed a few years after. Prior to the publication of these books, the ubiquitous “Gray aliens” had never been seen before. In fact, a review of the history of “contact” cases show that the type and variety and behavior of “aliens” around the world are quite different across the board. But, along came Budd, followed by Whitley and his glaring alien on the cover, and suddenly the Grays were everywhere.

In respect of Whitley and his Grays, allow me to emphasize one of Dolan’s comments quoted above: “By early 1969, teams within the CIA were running a number of bizarre experiments in mind control under the name Operation Often. In addition to the normal assortment of chemists, biologists, and conventional scientists, the operation employed psychics and experts in demonology.” This, of course, brings us to the parallel event of that period of time: Satanic ritual abuse. SRA is the name given to the allegedly widespread systematic abuse of children (and others) by Satanists.

As it happens, keeping our timeline in mind, it was in the mid to late 1970s that the allegations of the existence of a “well-organized intergenerational satanic cult whose members sexually molest, torture and murder children across the United States” began to emerge in America. There was a panic regarding SRA triggered by a fictional book called Michelle Remembers. The book was published as fact but has subsequently been shown by at least three independent investigators to be a hoax.

No hard evidence of Satanic Ritual Abuse in North America has ever been found, just as no hard evidence of abductions by Gray aliens has ever been found. Nevertheless, the allegations were widely publicized on radio and television talk shows, including Geraldo Rivera’s show.

Religious fundamentalists promoted the hysteria and, just as during the Inquisitions, endless self-proclaimed “moral entrepreneurs” both fed the fires of prosecution and earned a good living from it. Most of the early accusations of satanic ritual abuse were aimed at working-class people with limited resources, and with a few exceptions, the media and other groups that are ordinarily skeptical either remained silent or joined in the feeding frenzy of accusations. The few professionals who spoke out against the hysteria were systematically attacked and discredited by government agencies and private organizations.

The question has to be asked: If there are thousands of baseless accusations of SRA and thousands upon thousands of cases of unverifiable alien abductions, how do they originate?

Most of the SRA cases are said to originate with children. Since there is a widespread belief that children wouldn’t make up stories of eating other children or being forced to have sex with giraffes after flying in an airplane while they were supposed to be in day care, the stories are often taken at face value by naive prosecutors, therapists, police officers and parents. Researchers have found that children are unlikely to invent stories of satanic ritual abuse on their own. So, where do the stories come from?

Accusing the therapists, district attorneys, police and parents of inducing such stories from children doesn’t seem to be a very productive answer. Yes, it may happen in some cases, but certainly doesn’t seem likely in the vast number of cases. It is also certainly true that there ARE cases where something dreadful has gone on in the way of SRA, but for the most part, it almost looks like "copycat cases" where individuals are imitating what they hear in the wildest of claims. In short, it seems to be similar to the New Age community producing "contacts with aliens" as noise to conceal the REAL alien activity.

Now, let’s go back and think about our timeline. As it happens, Michelle Remembers was published in 1980, co-written by Michelle Smith and Lawrence Pazder, M.D. Budd Hopkins finished Missing Time in December of 1980, with an “afterward” by Aphrodite Clamar, Ph.D.

It’s looking pretty “coincidental” from where I sit.

This next bit gets very interesting:

What is occurs to me - putting the pieces of the puzzle together - is that there is some general kind of imagery being widely broadcast in the “neutral cavity” described above, and that it depends a lot on the individual and their cultural programming how it “takes.” When we consider the fact that Operation Often employed “the normal assortment of chemists, biologists, and conventional scientists” and “psychics and experts in demonology,” we begin to think that electronic COINTELPRO includes a whole supermarket of new “beliefs” - Gray aliens and “alien contacts” for the New Age crowd and a whole range of “sexual/ritual abuse scenarios” for those who are not open to the alien shtick.

Is the whole thing beamed out as some sort of “free-formal imaging,” and, based on the conscious acceptance of one or another version, it takes on its individual characteristics in the minds of the millions of recipients? In other words, is it picked up by the subconscious in alpha states or in sleep, perceived as traumatic in a general scenario that can then be interpreted by the individual belief systems in terms of either being examined and or sexually manipulated by aliens on a table or “raped on an altar” by Satanists? Do some individuals pick up this imagery and take on the part of the Satanists, the abusers, in a copycat way as described above? Are the public productions - books by Hopkins, Strieber, and the SRA scandals, just variations on the closing of the circuit by the conscious mind accepting or creating one or the other scenario as the explanation for the constant bombardment of such signals as described in Dolan’s book? Is it the job of COINTELPRO to create “bogus organizations” that produce various “explanations” to close the circuit and “make it real” in the person’s mind? Even including Satanic cults such as The Temple of Set, run by Lt. Col. Michael Aquino? Aquino, alleged to have recently retired from an active military role, was long the leader of an Army psychological warfare section which drew on his 'expertise' and personal practices in brainwashing, Satanism, Nazism, homosexual pedophilia and murder.

One has to wonder about the name of the program: Operation Often in terms of the claims of abductees - victims of repeated and “often” abductions - as well as the claims of those who suggest the SRA explanation. In either case, the believer is being “herded” into a “response camp” of either faith in alien saviors, or faith in Jesus to save from them the demonic/satanic Illuminati, Jews, Pagans - take your pick.

I would suggest to anyone experiencing any of these programs to read this article as I feel it is very enlightening. I may post a few more paragraphs from it in a bit.

edit: clarification
 
just now rereading this thread, reexperiencing the release of being able to talk about it, moreover of being understood, taken seriously. Much thanks all around for that. It's like the same for me when I go to a 12 step fellowship and can talk about and listen to life-stuff that is everywhere else forbidden. Very quickly I can release, move on, and open up to everything.

What I am hearing now with cleaner ears is the high probability that many gang stalking groups are infiltrated and spinning. Most definately! The hopelessness I have experienced (knowing that this is all known, inescapable, ignored) has kept me on the verge of acts of desperation for years. But I have always maintained balance on that edqe with the consolation that, "a raccoon willing to die can do great things." Slowly that has changed into sticking around for more opportunites to console and have understanding for another in pain, as you have for me. More ee, r.
 
I'm in agreement with much of the analysis in this thread. Yes, TI web sites and groups of TI's are (witting or not) agents of disinformation, a lot of the time. By the way, the very term "gang stalking" is misleading.

_http://areyoutargeted.com/2010/08/what-to-call-your-campaign/

I had a very telling encounter with an FBI agent in 2009 where he repeatedly mentioned gang stalking and asked what web sites I'd been to.

_http://areyoutargeted.com/2009/11/whos-behind-it-all/

So I think TI's are being herded to certain sites on purpose.

I think of what's happening as a program, and it's highly misleading.

_http://areyoutargeted.com/2010/08/the-program-explained/

They are perfectly willing to "take credit" for events they had little to do with, as well as pinning the whole thing on a convenient patsy. Deception is the only constant.

_http://areyoutargeted.com/fighting-back/

And, by the way, they are also willing to throw away a person's life to advance a government-sponsored disinformation campaign.

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Hi jeremypsyops,

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