Paleo Diet getting mainstream coverage

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The NY Times is running a piece on locals who are living what they are calling "The New Caveman Lifestyle". I thought it was interesting that it was being covered by such a mainstream outlet. That kind of reporting gives me just a little hope, albeit tempered by everything else in the news today...

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/10/fashion/10caveman.html?pagewanted=all

LIKE many New York bachelors, John Durant tries to keep his apartment presentable — just in case he should ever bring home a future Mrs. Durant. He shares the fifth-floor walk-up with three of his buddies, but the place is tidy and he never forgets to water the plants. The one thing that Mr. Durant worries might spook a female guest is his most recent purchase: a three-foot-tall refrigerated meat locker that sits in a corner of his living room. That is where he keeps his organ meat and deer ribs.

Mr. Durant, 26, who works in online advertising, is part of a small New York subculture whose members seek good health through a selective return to the habits of their Paleolithic ancestors.

Or as he and some of his friends describe themselves, they are cavemen.

The caveman lifestyle, in Mr. Durant’s interpretation, involves eating large quantities of meat and then fasting between meals to approximate the lean times that his distant ancestors faced between hunts. Vegetables and fruit are fine, but he avoids foods like bread that were unavailable before the invention of agriculture. Mr. Durant believes the human body evolved for a hunter-gatherer lifestyle, and his goal is to wean himself off what he sees as many millenniums of bad habits.

These urban cavemen also choose exercise routines focused on sprinting and jumping, to replicate how a prehistoric person might have fled from a mastodon.

In a city crowded with vegetarian restaurants and yoga studios, the cavemen defy other people’s ideas of healthy living. There is an indisputable macho component to the lifestyle.

“I didn’t want to do some faddish diet that my sister would do,” Mr. Durant said.

The caveman lifestyle in New York was once a solitary pursuit. But Mr. Durant, who looks like a cheerful Jim Morrison, with shoulder-length curly hair, has emerged over the last year as a chieftain of sorts among 10 or so other cavemen. He has cooked communal dinners in his apartment on East 90th Street and taught others to make jerky from his meat locker.

The tribe is not indigenous to New York. Several followers of the lifestyle took up the practice after researching health concerns online and discovering descriptions of so-called paleolithic diets and exercise programs followed by people around the country and in Europe. The group’s lone woman, Melissa McEwen, 23, was searching for a treatment for stomach troubles. She started reading the blog of a 72-year-old retired economics professor who lives in Utah, Arthur De Vany.

Mr. De Vany’s blog promotes what he calls Evolutionary Fitness. Like his disciples in New York, he believes that ancient humans could perform physical feats that would awe the gym rats of today.

His followers believe that he too is capable of fearsome feats. When Mr. Durant told a gathering of New York cavemen that he had seen Mr. De Vany at a seminar in Las Vegas, Matthew Sanocki, 34, asked if Mr. De Vany looked as muscular in the flesh as in pictures on his blog.

“He looks great,” Mr. Durant said. “You feel like he could, at a moment’s notice, charge at you and trample you.”

Already, the New York cavemen are getting attention from the patriarchs of the paleo movement. One such figure, Erwan Le Corre, a Frenchman whom the magazine Men’s Health said “may rank as one of the most all-around physically fit men on the planet,” stopped by Mr. Durant’s while visiting the city in December. The men sealed their friendship with what both described as a bare-chested — and in Mr. Le Corre’s case, barefoot — run across the Manhattan and Brooklyn Bridges on a frigid night.

Mr. Le Corre, 38, who once made soap for a living, promotes what he calls “mouvement naturel” at exercise retreats in West Virginia and elsewhere. His workouts include scooting around the underbrush on all fours, leaping between boulders, playing catch with stones, and other activities at which he believes early man excelled. These are the “primal, essential skills that I believe everyone should have,” he said in an interview.

Loren Cordain, a professor at Colorado State University and the author of “The Paleo Diet,” links the movement to a 1985 New England Journal of Medicine article, which proclaimed that the “diet of our remote ancestors may be a reference standard for modern human nutrition.”

Another source of paleo converts is CrossFit, a fitness program known for grueling workouts combining weightlifting and gymnastics. CrossFit trainers, who teach at more than 1,200 gyms and other affiliates across the country, generally encourage clients to follow either a caveman diet or the Zone diet, which requires tracking calories. “Some of the gyms have hardcore paleo folks, and if you’re a member of that gym then you’re paleo, while other gyms are hardcore Zone,” said Anthony Budding, who manages the content on CrossFit.com.

Experts in early humans dispute some of the tenets of latter-day paleos, including the belief that fasting is beneficial and that the body is unequipped to handle an agriculture-based diet.

Still, there is a “sharp contrast” between the strength and fitness of our distant ancestors and us, said Clark Larsen, a physical anthropologist at Ohio State University. “The male or female of 12,000 to 15,000 years ago will be considerably stronger and in better shape,” he said. Unfortunately, life was short: If you made it to age 30 or so, you had done well.

New York might seem a challenging environment for the aspiring caveman. Entire professions, oblivious to the rising and setting of the sun, toil in the glare of computer monitors. More to the point, the city has gone so far as to outlaw both hunting and gathering, at least when committed in a city park. Uprooting a plant, snatching a bird egg or trapping a squirrel in a park are misdemeanors punishable by up to 90 days of jail.

“I like New York, but it’s hard to sit in a Midtown office all day,” said Ms. McEwen, a slim brunette, who prefers the term “hunter-gatherer” to describe her lifestyle.

But the surprising consensus of the paleos is that the city is a paradise.

“New York is the only city in America where you can walk,” said Nassim Taleb, an investor who gained a measure of celebrity for his theories, described in “The Black Swan,” that extreme events can roil financial markets. “People treat walking like exercise,” he said, “but walking is how humans become humans.”

Mr. Taleb, who rejects the label “caveman” in favor of “paleo,” avoids offices (including his own) as much as he can. He prefers to think on the go. Dressed in a tweed coat and Italian loafers, this paleo man is a flâneur, sometimes walking miles a day, ranging from SoHo to 86th Street.

Instead of eating three square meals a day, many of New York’s cavemen fast intermittently, up to 36 hours at a stretch. Fasting is a topic of banter at the Union Square West apartment where Matthew Sanocki and his brother, Andrew, live and run design-related e-commerce Web sites.

“Are you going for a 24?” Matthew might ask Andrew, describing a fast by its duration in hours.

Andrew Sanocki, 38, a former Navy officer, explained that he preferred working out on an empty stomach near the end of a fast, and then following up with a large meal. This is a common caveman schedule, intended to reflect the exertion that ancient humans put into finding food. It is as if, Mr. Sanocki explained, “we’ve gone out and killed something, and now we have to eat it.”

Another caveman trick involves donating blood frequently. The idea is that various hardships might have occasionally left ancient humans a pint short. Asked when he last gave blood, Andrew Sanocki said it had been three months. He and his brother looked at each other. “We’re due,” Andrew said.

Most of the cavemen at Mr. Durant’s gatherings are lean and well-muscled, and have glowing skin. A few wear trim beards. Some claim that they no longer get sick. Several identify themselves as libertarians.

They regularly grumble about vegans, whom they regard as a misguided, rival tribe. But much of the conversation is spent parsing the law of the jungle. The most severe interpretations generally come from Vladimir Averbukh, a jaunty red-headed Web manager for the city who was born in Tashkent, Uzbekistan. Upon visiting Mr. Durant’s apartment for the first time, in August, Mr. Averbukh scowled at a tomato plant on his host’s roof deck.

“Cavemen don’t eat nightshades,” Mr. Averbukh, 29, said. He explained that tomatoes are part of the nightshade family, arguing that they are native to the New World and could not have been part of humanity’s earliest diet. Mr. Durant shrugged. (Mr. Durant said later that there was nothing uncavemannish about eating tomatoes.)

Mr. Averbukh is a pre-Promethean sort of caveman. Much of his nourishment comes from grass-fed ground beef, which he eats raw. In a bow to the times, he sometimes uses a fork.

The other cavemen in New York find Mr. Averbukh’s preference for raw beef a little strange.

“I draw the line at sushi,” Andrew Sanocki said. “Paleo man had fire, didn’t he?”

Beyond Mr. Durant’s tribe, it is likely that other New Yorkers are practicing a milder, diet-focused version of the lifestyle. An Upper East Side physician, Grant Macaulay, said he has recommended the diet to hundreds of his patients, and sends them to Barnes & Noble to buy a copy of Mr. Cordain’s “Paleo Diet.”

But these computer-savvy cavemen are not interested in living off the grid, like others who share their ambivalence toward the indoor life. And their eating and exercise habits aside, the cavemen say they have no nostalgia for the prehistoric world.

Mr. Averbukh, who drives around town in a red Smart Car, said the thought of “throwing yourself in the forest with a stick and seeing how long you survive” held no appeal.

The cavemen are happy in the modern world, they say, but simply want to regain the fortitude that they attribute to their ancient ancestors.

“The problem is that as soon as we get out of our temperature-controlled environments, we’re weak,” Mr. Durant said. “Where’s that wildness that allowed humans to flourish throughout history?”

With this view of humanity’s past, what does Mr. Durant see in his future? One idea is a restaurant called B.C. or Wild. Just in case he develops the right business model, Mr. Durant has bought the domain name hunter-gatherer.com.
 
This great! I'm going to post it on the FOTCM website!
 
It was posted on SOTT too - http://www.sott.net/articles/show/200767-The-New-Age-Cavemen-and-the-City
 
Hi, just wanted to drop a few thoughts for discussion.
Well, if we combine this with the idea that there has been many "humankinds" before our one, like for example the last one, the anti-antediluvian Atlantis, what is exactly the "caveman lifestyle" that has tweaked our genetic make up for this kind of diet? For how many mankinds have our genetics been through (not to talk about possible direct intervention in the genetic body by we know whom).
How can we know, this is just an example, if we are best suited to eat what the Atlantean ate before the fall, or what their descendants ate in a post-antediluvian world, or what an original human (if that ever existed), pre-any civilization ate.
 
Green_Manalishi said:
Hi, just wanted to drop a few thoughts for discussion.
Well, if we combine this with the idea that there has been many "humankinds" before our one, like for example the last one, the anti-antediluvian Atlantis, what is exactly the "caveman lifestyle" that has tweaked our genetic make up for this kind of diet? For how many mankinds have our genetics been through (not to talk about possible direct intervention in the genetic body by we know whom).
How can we know, this is just an example, if we are best suited to eat what the Atlantean ate before the fall, or what their descendants ate in a post-antediluvian world, or what an original human (if that ever existed), pre-any civilization ate.

I think it's a good question. I also think that the best way we can know what to eat and what is best for us is to eliminate all processed, faux foods and then determine what foods our bodies react to well, and react to badly, with experimentation.

Ultimately, here we are, living in bodies - our bodies WILL tell us what is good and bad, but we have to listen and in order to be able to listen, we often have to clear out enough toxins to allow our bodies to speak more clearly. The ultra simple diet is a good place to start.

For most blood type O people the 'caveman' diet really is close to perfect, from what we've found out via experimentation. For other blood types, other adjustments work better (less meat, for instance). As I'm sure you know, we have a whole diet and health section dedicated to such discussions, research and results.
 
anart said:
...our bodies WILL tell us what is good and bad, but we have to listen and in order to be able to listen, we often have to clear out enough toxins to allow our bodies to speak more clearly. The ultra simple diet is a good place to start.

For most blood type O people the 'caveman' diet really is close to perfect, from what we've found out via experimentation. For other blood types, other adjustments work better (less meat, for instance). As I'm sure you know, we have a whole diet and health section dedicated to such discussions, research and results.

I agree.


[quote author=http://www.sott.net/articles/show/200767-The-New-Age-Cavemen-and-the-City]
The caveman lifestyle, in Mr. Durant's interpretation, involves eating large quantities of meat and then fasting between meals to approximate the lean times that his distant ancestors faced between hunts. Vegetables and fruit are fine, but he avoids foods like bread that were unavailable before the invention of agriculture. Mr. Durant believes the human body evolved for a hunter-gatherer lifestyle, and his goal is to wean himself off what he sees as many millenniums of bad habits.

These urban cavemen also choose exercise routines focused on sprinting and jumping, to replicate how a prehistoric person might have fled from a mastodon.[/quote]

Aside from the excess amount of meat and macho, this is pretty much a model of the diet and lifestyle that works for me. I'm O+ and when I'm careful about what meat I eat and how it's cooked and add lots of fresh vegetables, no breads or dairy and few carbs, and the kinds of exercises that are referred to, I feel and look my best, judging by the feedback. I also listen to my body and seem to know when I need stuff like extra iron, salt and vitamin C and protein. I can crave something like peanut butter and understand it's a demand for protein and so I go after a healthier protein. A craving for fried livers and/or orange juice I interpret as a need for iron and vitamin C, respectively...stuff like that.

At 49 years of age, I am the same weight, size, definition and athletic build that I had when I was around 18 (give or take a little)...just a few more wrinkles, a bit of dry skin (I need to hydrate more) and two or three gray hairs (ok, maybe 4 :rolleyes:).
 
anart said:
As I'm sure you know, we have a whole diet and health section dedicated to such discussions, research and results.

Yes, i have been trying to implement it in little bits, but unfortunately i'm currently in a situation that i can't completely implement it.

Buddy said:
Aside from the excess amount of [...] macho

Yes i also noted that, and the all tribe thing, creating differences instead of similitude.

The men sealed their friendship with what both described as a bare-chested — and in Mr. Le Corre’s case, barefoot — run across the Manhattan and Brooklyn Bridges on a frigid night.

As a humorous side note I would believe that paleohunters would be smart enough to fashion some animal skins to cover their body's and feet in cold nights. :)
 
The Paleo/Caveman diet is starting to receive maintream coverage in Oz too.

Just a week ago I read an article by a Sydney columnist whose column goes by the name of A Better Life, she had been trialling the diet for 3 months and rounded off her trial at a dinner with Nora Gedgaudas (Author of Primal Body, Primal Mind), who was in Oz to speak at a series of Nourishing Australia Conferences. The columnist was impressed with having her cholestrol drop and losing 2 kilos and thought the whole experience made sense.

Later the same week I heard a radio station shock jock carrying on about the new diet he was hearing about, and according to his synopsis we were supposed to cut out starches and eat twice as much vegetables and fruit. :headbash:
 
more mention of paleo in Oz...I was told on the circle (australian morning ''show'',more infomercials than show)
one of the hosts was told about it by her mother and was asking viewers to send in what they know...I may have to find their contact number and drop a few hints about websites ;)
 
anart said:
I think it's a good question. I also think that the best way we can know what to eat and what is best for us is to eliminate all processed, faux foods and then determine what foods our bodies react to well, and react to badly, with experimentation.

Ultimately, here we are, living in bodies - our bodies WILL tell us what is good and bad, but we have to listen and in order to be able to listen, we often have to clear out enough toxins to allow our bodies to speak more clearly. The ultra simple diet is a good place to start.

For most blood type O people the 'caveman' diet really is close to perfect, from what we've found out via experimentation. For other blood types, other adjustments work better (less meat, for instance). As I'm sure you know, we have a whole diet and health section dedicated to such discussions, research and results.
:lol: Love the way you say it. Just like "you know, we have been telling this all this years"

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Yes we have to eliminate processed food, I've been in some classes having light teaching about some neurotransmitters (my classmates didn't well their work on exposing them so I didn't learn as I wanted), but I got two good ones with my team: purines and glutamate. So I needed to read about processed foods with glutamic acid and aspartame... but it's interesting... everyone knew this and nobody cared for.
 
Hi,
I've been on the paleo diet for 3 months now, feel great!!! people think i'm nuts by not eating bread , dairy or anything in a box, I certainly didn't do it to lose weight since i'm already in great physical form, but more to see if it made a difference. My mind is much clearer and have no more sinus issues, I can't beleive I have the will power to not eat process food since my familly is still eating the way I did. The only thing I haven't given up is coffee.................and i smoke e-cigarettes gave up smoking all in one shot. I highly recommend trying it for a couple of months, food taste so much better and the world is clearer. I am so happy i came accross laura and all her books I truly do not feel alone anymore...............thx :D
 
I have now been implementing the paleo diet for a year now. Lost 35 lbs withut it being a trial; still notice a difference in how I feel if I cheat and have too many glycemic carbs; and I honestly don't care for them any more. Keeping the carb count down daily and filling up with satisfying fatty meat and fish and lots of veg instead, and nuts and occasionaly dried berries for snacks. I still like hummus with celery and carrots even though the legumes are not paleo. And I do like a little red pepper in a few dishes even the nightshades are not on the list. Buckwheat waffles with blueberry syrup are the once in a while treat, but I feel less and less like straying from the pure paleo path over time. I think as others have observed here, the body will inform you when you get in tune with it's language.
 
chili said:
and i smoke e-cigarettes gave up smoking all in one shot.

Given clean (no-additives) tobacco, there's actually no problem with smoking, and provided your body finds it agreeable, actually no reason to quit. There is an enormous thread on smoking where the many aspects of smoking are discussed; it may take quite some pages to reach the best research referenced, though, so I'll link you here: http://www.sott.net/articles/show/139304-Let-s-All-Light-Up- (further searching SOTT for nicotine and smoking may give a bunch of other relevant articles)
 
chili said:
Hi,
I've been on the paleo diet for 3 months now, feel great!!! people think i'm nuts by not eating bread , dairy or anything in a box, I certainly didn't do it to lose weight since i'm already in great physical form, but more to see if it made a difference. My mind is much clearer and have no more sinus issues, I can't beleive I have the will power to not eat process food since my familly is still eating the way I did. The only thing I haven't given up is coffee.................and i smoke e-cigarettes gave up smoking all in one shot. I highly recommend trying it for a couple of months, food taste so much better and the world is clearer. I am so happy i came accross laura and all her books I truly do not feel alone anymore...............thx :D

Hello chili and welcome to the forum. :) It is common for new people to introduce themselfs in the Newbies section of the forum http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/board,39.0.html take a look arround to see how others have done it if you have problems.
 
Here is another main stream article:

http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2011/11/07/healthwatch-caveman-diet-helps-diabetics-in-ucsf-study/#.Tv8iZhzfiHk.facebook

SAN FRANCISCO (CBS 5) – Researchers at the University of California at San Francisco say one way to improve your health may be takings some tips from our Stone Age ancestors.

In recent weeks we’ve reported on the the Paleo Diet, or Ancestral Health movement. CBS 5 Health Watch reporter Dr. Kim Mulvihill followed the diet for more than six months and it lowered her blood pressure, cholesterol and weight. Now UCSF researchers have said it can also dramatically help patients with type two diabetes.

Gloria Romero used to take 9 different medications to control her blood pressure, cholesterol, diabetes, acid reflux, even depression. She started eating like a caveman, and now she’s down to just two drugs.

Making the change meant a diet full of fruits, vegetables, lean meats and healthy fats. She ate no dairy, no grains and no processed foods.

“It was fantastic. It was just amazing,” said Romero, who was part of the UCSF study involving type two diabetics.

Dr. Lynda Frassetto headed up the research, and said diabetes can lead to dire consequences including blindness, amputation, sexual dysfunction, as well as kidney problems and an earlier death.

Romero knows all too well about the toll. She works at UCSF in the kidney transplant department.

“I saw many diabetic patients on dialysis and I thought to myself, ‘this is going to be me one day.’ It scared me,” said Romero

Diabetics were randomly assigned to follow one of two diets during the study.

One group was given a Mediterranean diet, which is recommended by the American Diabetes Association. The other group ate the Paleo diet. The big difference between the two is that you eat more whole grains and dairy and less red meat on the Mediterranean diet.

“The people who were in the Paleo arm, instead of eating grains and dairy, they ate a lot more fruits and vegetables and a little bit more protein,” said Dr. Frassetto.

All the meals were prepared at the clinical research study kitchen at UCSF and eaten there or taken home. In just 2 weeks, a huge difference emerged between the groups.

Those who ate like cavemen saw significant drops in blood pressure, cholesterol, triglycerides – as well as blood sugar, while those on the Mediterranean diet saw little or no improvement.

“Their blood sugars got way better, dropped about 25 milligrams per deciliter on average,” Dr. Frassetto explained. “This is a diet that humans are more physiologically adapted to because this is a diet more similar to the one that we evolved on.”

As for Romero, she takes less medication for her diabetes. She also has more energy, dropped 4 dress sizes and kicked her depression.

“It’s eating what you should be eating, you know, your vegetables, your fruits, your lean meats, it’s just eating right overall,” said Romero. The hardest part of the diet is sticking to it. You have to do a lot of shopping, preparation and cooking.

It's catching on...
 
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