Paleo diet without meat??

[Deleted member 8431]

and i forgot, I am not looking for a way to lose weight, actually since my colon disease i've lost too much, so i have to gain 4 kg to be ''normal''...

Don't worry aelyrsenn. You get your kg when the body adjust to new diet. If your body need kilograms with this diet you gain weight. I have before problems with not enough weight also. I am 187 cm, 73 kg and all my life I struggle to gain weight.
Now 4 months on ketogenic diet I gain 7 kg, so I have now 80 kg and they are stable. Thus my thinking improved and I am more stable and energetic in life then before. And believe me, I try ALL kind of diet that I am aware of ( I was vegetarian 8 years, vegan 2,5 years, raw vegan 2 years and frutarian - raw fruit only, 6 month - on this diet I have only 59 kg on my 187 cm! I was like a ghost.). :(

So, to make things short, this is for me the best diet so far and if you persevere on this path, inform yourself as much as possible about this diet ( and you have so much knowledge from very wise people on this forum that this is enough for many life-times to digest :P ), you can very soon expect results that you want.

I wish you all the best to achieve your goals.

Short question; how do you guys know what your real "standard healthy weight" is? Wouldn't it be diffrent for anybody depending on genetic profile, the environment in which you live etc?

I've done the BMI test which yields app. 24.5 to 25 which is normal to a bit overweight.

Thanks! I've wondered for a while.

Peace.

 

[emmanuel]

and i forgot, I am not looking for a way to lose weight, actually since my colon disease i've lost too much, so i have to gain 4 kg to be ''normal''...

Don't worry aelyrsenn. You get your kg when the body adjust to new diet. If your body need kilograms with this diet you gain weight. I have before problems with not enough weight also. I am 187 cm, 73 kg and all my life I struggle to gain weight.
Now 4 months on ketogenic diet I gain 7 kg, so I have now 80 kg and they are stable. Thus my thinking improved and I am more stable and energetic in life then before. And believe me, I try ALL kind of diet that I am aware of ( I was vegetarian 8 years, vegan 2,5 years, raw vegan 2 years and frutarian - raw fruit only, 6 month - on this diet I have only 59 kg on my 187 cm! I was like a ghost.). :(

So, to make things short, this is for me the best diet so far and if you persevere on this path, inform yourself as much as possible about this diet ( and you have so much knowledge from very wise people on this forum that this is enough for many life-times to digest :P ), you can very soon expect results that you want.

I wish you all the best to achieve your goals.

Short question; how do you guys know what your real "standard healthy weight" is? Wouldn't it be diffrent for anybody depending on genetic profile, the environment in which you live etc?

I've done the BMI test which yields app. 24.5 to 25 which is normal to a bit overweight.

Thanks! I've wondered for a while.

Peace.

I was thinking a lot about this, JayMark i am afraid that the answer is more complex that we usually think. My personal experience is, that they are a lot of factors, that we must consider. For example genetic structure or profile that you mentioned, are different from people to people. Depend if you have "strong" and heavy or "light" bones and also what kind of muscle, elongated or short and densely packed you have. If you are aware of this, than you can proceed to the next step - your metabolism, is it fast or slow. Is it your digestion of food (food "burning" - "energy" transition) slow or fast. When you know this you can determine your food intake and observe in time, how your body change - redistribution of muscle mass.
Of course it is always good to consider that probably all your life you didn't think about quality of food and environment in which you live in and has its own specifics in terms of nutrition. You know, its said, that is always the best eating the food from the environment in which you live. I can agree with this but I can be wrong of course, so you may probably investigate yourself on yourself if is working for you. ;)
Then I think that depend a lot how and how much your body moves. If you move enough then your lymph system clean more regular and efficiently. And all this also regulate your food intake.
So, when we take all things together in consideration, we can probably find the most efficient way to nourish our body-mind machine.
Hope this help a bit.

 

[aelyrsenn]

There is no such thing like heavy or light bones.

 

[Lilou]

There is no such thing like heavy or light bones.

Perhaps Emmanuel was referring to bone density.

[quote author=themedicalquestion.com]
Bone density is the amount of bone tissue in a certain volume of bone. So heavy bone density would mean more bone tissue and light bone density would mean less bone tissue. The less bone tissue you have, the easier it is for your bones to break because there would be less resistance and support.
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[aelyrsenn]

There is no such thing like heavy or light bones.

Perhaps Emmanuel was referring to bone density.

[quote author=themedicalquestion.com]
Bone density is the amount of bone tissue in a certain volume of bone. So heavy bone density would mean more bone tissue and light bone density would mean less bone tissue. The less bone tissue you have, the easier it is for your bones to break because there would be less resistance and support.

[/quote]

Maybe...i was having in mind my friends who don't wan't to admit they're overweight instead they blame genetics or heavy bones,saying they eat as much as i do..but when we eat together something, they end up with double portion of everything.

 

[Mrs. Peel]

[Maybe...i was having in mind my friends who don't wan't to admit they're overweight instead they blame genetics or heavy bones,saying they eat as much as i do..but when we eat together something, they end up with double portion of everything.

Maybe they mean being "big boned" which is an excuse a lot of people give.

"when people refer to big boned, they mean the person has a body type that is endomorphic (inclined for obesity"

 

[Deleted member 8431]

Maybe...i was having in mind my friends who don't wan't to admit they're overweight instead they blame genetics or heavy bones,saying they eat as much as i do..but when we eat together something, they end up with double portion of everything.

Yeah, bones, genetics or glandular problems. It seems like for many that the problem isn't on their behalf. But I guess a bad diet can indeed cause problems (like glandular) only they seem to think that the concequence of their bad habits are the cause of their weight problem. Dunno if you catch my drift here.

I have a friend who now has health problems but he's honnest enough to say that it's because he eats virtually anything (carbs, fat, diary, gluten etc) like a supermassive black hole. I mean, when we were kids/teens he would just come watch a movie and about an hour into it, he was already done with a family-sized BBQ chip bag and 2L bottle of root beer. Then soon after he had to get to the bathroom at some point to vomit all this crap because his body couldn't handle it. It wasen't a very common thing but happened a few times. My dad would also call him "Ben the garbage can" and feed him the leftovers when he came for dinner. We laughed about it back then but it didn't turn up so good on the long run. Poor Ben. I don't know what specific problem he has but he takes meds. I think it's the liver.

Peace.

 

[Nienna]

[Maybe...i was having in mind my friends who don't wan't to admit they're overweight instead they blame genetics or heavy bones,saying they eat as much as i do..but when we eat together something, they end up with double portion of everything.

Maybe they mean being "big boned" which is an excuse a lot of people give.

"when people refer to big boned, they mean the person has a body type that is endomorphic (inclined for obesity"

From what I have seen, there is such a thing as big-boned and small-boned as I am very small-boned. My mother who is 2 inches shorter than I am has a much larger wrist - and bones - than I do. I can look at a lot of people my size and see that they have larger bones than I do. So, as I said, from what I have seen there is a difference in bone size.

There is also a difference of bone density as has been mentioned.

However, that has nothing to do with how much someone eats.