Pathocracy on other forums like MySpace

[knowledge_of_self]

Dear group:

Lately I've been setting up a MySpace profile for my self and I thought I should check out what has been some recent discussions on the MySpace forum. I have to say that I was disgusted to say the least. There were many people there with too many opinions and not enough facts. Many, many people were taking the side of Israel and saying pretty untruthful things, mostly what the mainstream media has been spinning off to people. There are people there who are there out of honesty and really wanting to get to the bottom of truth, but they are few. Anyway, I got so emotional over some stuff I was reading that I thought to my self, this is why I don't come to different forums anymore. I became so much more thankful to have found this group, because again it was shown to me how much a noise-free environment where everyone is contributing to networking and to exposing truths is a valuable source of information.

Anyway, I thought I should share with you all an exchange I had with someone on myspace (not from the forum) who actually privately messaged me with an invitation to join his blog list. I didn't join right away, because I wanted to check out his profile first. I went to his blog section to see what he was talking about. His blog was made up of a series of articles that he had picked that sounded good to him. So he had posted the articles and written a few words about how he relates to the article.

Here I will list 2 articles that I read on his blog and made a couple of comments on. Of course he denied my comments from being posted and instead messaged me in private to answer my comments. I will post those messages below also.

Link to the first article here:
http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=2079061&blogID=153081997&MyToken=9b3cdf01-8f25-4c9b-93aa-b8ee75b8361e

what's happening in Israel. Here it is, not spun off by the press: straight from the mouth of Ehud Olmert, Prime Minister Of Israel. It's kind of long, but very important. and very current. Please read it, and pass it on ...

Speech of Ehud Olmert, Prime Minister of the State of Israel, published in Maariv on Monday, July 31, 2006.
[...]

So I sent a comment to his blog ( I didn't save the comment, so I can't quote my self) of how I thought that Olmert speaks words of a true psychopath and if he watches the flash video, Pathocracy Disease (and I posted a link to the video) he would understand why Olmert says the things he says.

And also I read another blog which was also another article that he had excerpted titled Peace and Carrots. I'l paste the last sentence of the excerpted article he had put on his blog which pretty much sums up the BS written in the article.

The very formula "Land for Peace" indicates that Arabs compromise for what they want most -- land, while Israel compromises for what it wants most -- peace.

To which I commented on how untrue that statement was, and in fact that the whole article was very much inaccurate.

He wrote me back privately with these two messages.

Date: Aug 10, 2006 12:13 PM
Subject : RE: Request to Approve Blog Comment
Body: Olmert speaks about the view from Israel, which is the nation defending itself against the relentless onslaught of Arab animosity.

You wave your candle, but what light do you bring to the situation?

And...

Date: Aug 10, 2006 12:10 PM
Subject RE: Request to Approve Blog Comment
Body: And what view is that? Strategic guided missiles for pellet bombs cired at civilian homes.

Do you even know there was never such a thing as a state of Palestine. Those people were citizens of Jordan.

Why is this Israel's problem? Because for some reason nobody's allowed to tell Jordan how to respect its own refugees.

I replied to both his messages in one. This was my reply.

Date: Aug 10, 2006 1:15 PM
Subject RE: RE: Request to Approve Blog Comment
Body: I bring the light of truth. Im not taking sides of Israel or Arabs I am taking the side of consciousness and humanity. If the killing goes on, soon there will be no Jews or Arabs left in this world, they will kill each other off. The subject comes down to racism. And what is racism? It is when someone believes they are more equal than someone else. This is the mentality that some Israelis have over the Palestinian people. Israel sees Palestinians as less than animals. That's quite ironic for genetically, Palestinians and Jews are of the same Semitic race. They are racist to the Palestinian people, and if you had watched the Flash video I showed you, you would see why that is. Because of the disease of pathocracy that has taken over this world. It has made people of a same race kill each other and for what, who's god is more right.

I find it interesting also that you have comments to your blogs monitored and that you did not post either of my comments on your blog. That just shows me how weak and fragile your own views are regarding Israel. I can understand your views in your blogs but I have a different opinion and I presented it. But you chose to not show the side that is not convenient to your views, you chose to suppress my comment, and that is exactly what Israel does to other opinions on this issue.

PS. If you remember your history the last people who thought they were more equal than others were the German Nazis, and we all know what happened to the Germans in the end.

Nina

Anyway, what I learned from this exchange and checking out the MySpace forum was that there are a lot of people out there who are searching but getting the untrue data or propaganda. How most forums like MySpace are bugged through and through with CoIntelPro agents like this guy sleep. I don't know if he is one, but he sure sounded like one. It was an interesting experience for me that took me on quite an emotional ride and I got an advice from someone to share it with the group here, and I'm doing it. I thought of it as a great example of pathocracy at work in forums.

Thanks for listening to my story group
Nina

 

[Cyre2067]

Hey nina, can i add you on myspace?

my profile is here:
http://www.myspace.com/cyre2067

Most of my blogs are articles with explanations as well, but mostly im taking Joe's stuff cuz he just wraps it up so nicely and puts it all into short digestible packages. I put up Kaminski's anti-semetic rant, and got some great discussion going. Overall my friends are passively interested and/or unconsciously siding with israel. Alot of them are jewish and have been to, have friends/family in israel. So the discussion is very good. I've given a decent intro to psychopathy, but i don't think they grok it's full implications, and alot of the argument is "well they're psycho's on both sides" to which i've been pointing toward israel's creation and subsequent palestinian cleansing as the causative factor.

 

[Lucy]

...this is why I don't come to different forums anymore. I became so much more thankful to have found this group, because again it was shown to me how much a noise-free environment where everyone is contributing to networking and to exposing truths is a valuable source of information.

Now and then I cruise through other forums just to see what's going on, but I find I can't participate anymore because I've been spoiled by the quality of this forum...which seems to be unique.

Thanks mods, administrators and members!

what's happening in Israel. Here it is, not spun off by the press: straight from the mouth of Ehud Olmert, Prime Minister Of Israel. It's kind of long, but very important. and very current. Please read it, and pass it on ...[...]

The very formula "Land for Peace" indicates that Arabs compromise for what they want most -- land, while Israel compromises for what it wants most -- peace.

These are both excellent examples of the propoganda techniques explained in the Peace, Propaganda & The Promised Land video.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7828123714384920696&pr=goog-sl
And unfortunately its very effective because most people will just never catch it.

Date: Aug 10, 2006 1:15 PM
Subject RE: RE: Request to Approve Blog Comment

I find it interesting also that you have comments to your blogs monitored and that you did not post either of my comments on your blog. That just shows me how weak and fragile your own views are regarding Israel. I can understand your views in your blogs but I have a different opinion and I presented it. But you chose to not show the side that is not convenient to your views, you chose to suppress my comment, and that is exactly what Israel does to other opinions on this issue.

PS. If you remember your history the last people who thought they were more equal than others were the German Nazis, and we all know what happened to the Germans in the end.

Nina

I think you nailed it here Nina.

Anyway, what I learned from this exchange and checking out the MySpace forum was that there are a lot of people out there who are searching but getting the untrue data or propaganda. How most forums like MySpace are bugged through and through with CoIntelPro agents like this guy sleep.

I think this guy's name says it all! I don't think he's the one who's asleep, I think he wants to induce sleep. And he's probably getting paid for it.

One thing I'd like to ask you: You mentioned that some people appeared to be looking for the truth. Do you think its worthwhile for people like us to infiltrate these forums too in order to help those who may be open to the truth, or would it be an exercise in futility?

I can certainly understand why there was some emotion generated in you by this experience. Not long ago I explored the Rapture Ready forum to see what they were saying, and was appalled at how casually (and gleefully!) they were discussing possible scenarios for destroying Damascus in order to bring about Bible prophecy. I found neutron bombs referred to as "humane bombs" Now there's an oxymoron if I've ever heard one! And yes, it upset me.

And its not just on forums. The other day in a private conversation about the attack on Lebanon someone stated to me that, "It may be genocide, but heck, its always been this way all through history, and since there's nothing I can do about it I'm at peace with myself." This man's taxes are helping pay for the bombs and planes Israel is using...yet he's at peace with himself. I wanted to start screaming at him to open his eyes and start thinking, but what's the point. He's firmly entrenched in his cocoon, and he likes it there.

Thanks for sharing this Nina.

 

[knowledge_of_self]

Just a quick update on the last response I received from Mr. sleep. I didn't bother to reply back, because imo he is just CoIntelPro agent, or a "humanoid" osit.

Date: Aug 11, 2006 8:50 AM
Subject RE: RE: RE: Request to Approve Blog Comment

The comment monitoring I've always had simply as a means to conveniently see when someone posts one anywhere so I don't have to go looking on images or elsewhere. The blog page does also give you link back to new comments and I guess the other elements too do now, but it's just habit and ease to just get everythig in email tout suite.

I really didn't want to omit your comments, but I don't want to detract from the points I am presenting. I know there are many views out there, I am simply trying to express something other than yes/no debates, I want to know what people think of these views in terms of themselves. What aspects represent solidarity - that is my theme. I know we all disagree - I am trying to present, if not formulate or rather articulate what to me seems to be the minority opinion, as so many voices are angry at Israel, which historically and categorically is not to blame for any of this -- I know you disagree -- but that is my thesis.

I do welcome your comments, I will always reply, and yes I will honor comments as I see fit, it is my perogative, I do feel really badly about not posting yours, it surely seems as censorship but I am not a newspaper, I am just me! and my friends, of which I hope you will continue to choose to be one.

Philip

nb I do NOT see this as a racist issue! I see this as a cultural clash over territory. eg- Zionism is NOT racism! Any more than expecting only arabs to live in Saudi Arabia!

I think this guy's name says it all! I don't think he's the one who's asleep, I think he wants to induce sleep. And he's probably getting paid for it.

One thing I'd like to ask you: You mentioned that some people appeared to be looking for the truth. Do you think its worthwhile for people like us to infiltrate these forums too in order to help those who may be open to the truth, or would it be an exercise in futility?

Yes, his name does paint a clear picture of the guy's mentality and his direction that's for sure.

Regarding your question, I will try to answer this best I can using my self as an example. When I went on the MySpace forum I was quite disappointed to say the least and it really stirred up emotions within me, but through the interaction on that forum I was able to make 1 or 2 middle-Eastern Friends from Jordan and 1 from UK with middle Eastern Nationality that had a MySpace page dedicated to the Palestinian Genocide and informing people. Which was very interesting, and I let them know about the Pathocracy Disease and one of them actually put it on her Space, even though she was just introduced to it, she found it to be very telling. So through her, it will probably be witnessed by many middle-eastern friends that she has, and that can result the "butterfly" affect osit.

So imo, if you have the patience and time, anyone who wants to while checking out the MySpace forum, can check some profiles and really get the perception of where that other person is coming from. This is what I do. I find it pointless to actually participate in any debate or discussion on the actual forum because there is a lot of extensive noise and many people just have opinions and no facts. And the ones that do have facts get put down by the ones with the opinions that your facts are not facts, etc. To them understanding facts is an impossibility because most of them I can only begin to described as "humanoids" from the article Laura posted Beyond Insanity, because that is the best description that fits them.

Basically I have figured out the best way to find intelligent people in those kinds of forums is to check out the profiles of those who actually have facts and are being put down by those "humanoids", and I guess those are the people that are the 'diamonds in the rough'.

Nina

 

[Cyre2067]

I only debate with my friends, people that are close to me, because its their opinions and beliefs that i care about. I want them to be informed, to be aware of gaps in their awareness, random myspacers can do whatever they like, most people's profiles look the same anyway.

 

[ScioAgapeOmnis]

I actually noticed this too - I find it difficult to get myself to participate in any other forum anymore because they all seem like chaotic and for the most part naive/ignorant pathocratically-distorted mosh pits. Of course, that is to be expected because here we're not talking about people who are not involved in "The Work" on themselves and usually do not have a critical approach to inner and outer reality. And it's sad because many times there are at least a couple of "sane" people on various forums, but they are always vastly outnumbered by the very noisy and aggressive insane ones. And as a rule, if the sane ones start having a little too much influence on the forum, as in, their opinions are being truly considered and logic/facts are beginning too prevalent in the discussion, THAT's when you see the more professional disinfo agents come in like clockwork. It is a pretty standard formula and I've never seen it fail - if the ground troops, meaning, the bashful idiots do not do the job of preventing any real results and objective discussion, then the more advanced troops (the pothocratic army's officers) usually do the trick.

For any unmoderated forum there is no hope - noise/signal ratio will be extremely high and in vast majority of cases it's a waste of time to even attempt to make progress on such a forum. But in forums that are moderated, either they are moderated by ponerologically-conditioned individuals who "shut down" the thread just as it was beginning to make some progress, or the more advanced agents use more refined tactics to stifle the discussion and/or lead it astray (and as we know, there are MANY tactics at their disposal) without the moderators even realising what is happening and therefore doing nothing of course due to their own ignorance, even if the moderators themselves have basically good intentions.

So it seems it is extremely difficult to ever find a forum like this one, because the only reason THIS one exists is because the moderators (the first required element) are working so hard themselves to seek truth and day and night watch for not just troll activity but professional disinfo/cointelpro agent activity which takes knowledge and experience to spot and understand (the second required element).

Not everyone can stand the heat, so Nina, just know that by being on myspace and writing what you write etc, you WILL be attacked in a million and one ways, it comes with the territory and must be expected. I experienced this on abovetopsecret forums, and I gotta say that at times I didn't think I could handle this anymore, I got burned a few times and had to get out of the kitchen. Sometimes exposing yourself to fire is a great learning experience in dealing with all kinds of "attack situations", but you don't want to expose yourself to too much fire all at once because you can get burned, which will not benefit you but hurt you. So it's a matter of moderate approach I guess, and the more experience/knowledge/inner strength you possess, the more fire you can be exposed to without being burned/drained/etc.

I remember not so long ago Laura talked about intentionally exposing herself to a psychopath, and she realised she wasn't as immune to their influence as she thought. So it's always a risk no matter how experienced you may be, and the C's comment seems appropriate here:

A: Lesson number 1: Always expect attack.
Lesson number 2: Know the modes of same.
Lesson number 3: Know how to conteract same.
Just remember that anticipation is the "mother of preparation," and defense.

 

[Ruth]

Actually, their 'take' on anticipation was rather more cautious, saying that it can 'muddy the waters' and could lead to wishful thinking... The best way to protect onself seemed to be via vigilance as well as knowledge.

Part of Session 970503

A: Does this surprise you? Unfortunately, Ark still does not completely know this program.
Q: Are you suggesting that this sickness of his mother's has been caused from 4th density STS?
A: Lesson number 1: Always expect attack. Lesson number 2: Know the modes of same. Lesson number 3: Know how to counteract same.
Q: When a person is sick, old and one's mother... the only thing to do is take care of it. But, I guess that it is true that anything that tends to cause interference in doing what one is here to do could be considered attack. Whether it is your mother being sick, or your kid falling off a bicycle and breaking his arm. It is all related to lack of vigilance on the part of the one who is the conduit of attack.
A: When you are under attack, expect the unexpected, if it is going to cause problems...
Q: So, if there is something that can cause problems, expect it to happen.
A: But, if you expect it, you learn how to "head it off," thus neutralizing it. This is called vigilance, which is rooted in knowledge. And, what does knowledge do?
Q: Protects! Is there anything I can do to help?
A: How so?
Q: Well, I don't know. I guess that a person just has to come to the full realization that virtually everything that happens on the planet - no exceptions - is a symbol of some interaction of STS vs. STO energy at higher levels.
A: Yes, and that is not as of yet realized. It must be part of a natural learning process.
Q: Well, I guess that all of us tend to keep one or another area sacrosanct and think that it is not subject to attack, or that we can use logic and 3rd density thinking to explain it. Until a person realizes that attack can come through even one's self, wives and husbands, children and parents, friends, virtually ANYBODY - NOBODY is exempt.
A: The block is a lack of faith in the concept. Remember, when one has been indoctrinated by religion, culture and/or science, they are predisposed to view all things in the sense of the measurable physical reality exclusively.
Q: Well, in Ark's case, is something going to happen for him that will give him a view under the surface, so to speak?
A: Please do not anticipate. This is a logjam of "quantum" proportions.

 

[ScioAgapeOmnis]

Actually, their 'take' on anticipation was rather more cautious, saying that it can 'muddy the waters' and could lead to wishful thinking... The best way to protect onself seemed to be via vigilance as well as knowledge.

I think anticipation can be your worst enemy or your best friend depending on how it is used and the overall context. I agree, knowledge protects. But knowledge of when attack is likely and what mode of attack is likely can also be called "anticipation". The MCS, no matter how smart and mysterious, can also be quite predictable in many cases and pretty "systematic" and "mechanical" in its responses (and so can people). So in other words, understand the ways of the world and understand which actions will most likely cause which "reactions", and be ready for it.

But in a negative sense, anticipation could probably be equated with assumption - the assumption of a particular outcome. I think the difference is that in one case you remain open to ALL possibilities, you just know which are highly probable and are prepared for them. In the other case, you do not remain open to all, you just assume to know exactly what will happen and how it will happen and so if anything else happens you're shocked/surprised and caught off guard.

So I'd agree that it would be very helpful to learn not to anticipate in the "assumption" sort of way. But it is just as helpful to anticipate in the open sort of way. If you didn't, you wouldn't be able to play a simple game of catch by tossing a ball around with someone, nevermind play any professional sports or do anything else in life that requires the ability to anticipate.

 

[Alana]

The C's said EXPECT attack and Do not ANTICIPATE.

When you expect something to happen, you prepare for it. Eg, you expect that a huricane will hit your town because you heard from the weatherman that it's on its way there, so you do the preparations needed to preserve yourself during the huricane.

When you anticipate, you foresee what's to come in a way, but that doesn't prepare you for anything, because you might get yourself ready to face a particular something, but that something might come in a different way than foreseen, for which you are not prepare. OSIT.

In the dictionary, expect and anticipate are synonyms. What's the point IMO, is to expect something but without result anticipation.

Ok, i thought i had the answer but now my own mind is more confused :)

 

[vinny]

The words can be used in different ways, but I think a useful distinction is:

if you ANTICIPATE a certain set of events, and 'imagine' an attack, ie imagine things happening in a certain specific way, and so prepare for that event and the actual attack will always be different, so you are caught out. ie anticipation can lead to 'tunnel vision' which results in missing the obvious.

if you EXPECT that something will happen, but you don't know what exactly, then all you do is stay awake, and 'keep your eyes peeled', and so you are more ready to adapt to any eventuality.

 

[Ruth]

I found this part of the sessions quite thought provoking. It is on 'attack' and how subjectivity might cloud the issue.

950812

Q: (L) In a previous session we asked the question: Had anyone ever been in our group or was anyone here, who had been sent to disrupt the group, or stop the channel. The answer was given that there was a good chance, but this was something we had to learn on our own. Now, we have discussed this from many different directions, and it seems to appear that part of this potential for disruption came through, if not from, TR and or JR as you have previously stated.
A: Well, again you are simplifying a complex issue, seeking a broad, general answer to questions that would be better served by breaking them down into simpler questions.
Q: (L) Were TR and JR sent to our group to disrupt it?
A: No.
Q: (L) Well, the answer seemed to indicate that someone was, and if it wasn't them, then it must be one of us?
A: No.
Q: (L) Was it someone else at some other time?
A: It is not someone in the sense of any third density physical being as it is someone attached to a third density physical being which can change from being to being as conditions warrant. Why should you think that any given physical individual contains exactly the same surroundings and attachments at all times? Obviously, this can change. Therefore, if there is attack, would it not be far more effective to launch the attack through anyone and everyone present at any given time, in order to maintain the attack. It is rather naive to assume that it so limited that physical removal of any given third density being, will preclude all possibilities for attack if and when one has identified an attack mode resulting from the presence of said being.
Q: (L) Are some people more susceptible to attack modes than others?
A: Well, again, there is a variable issue rather than a static issue involved here.
Q: (L) Well, if I remember correctly, when I asked the original question, I believe I specified a 3rd density person, and not something ephemeral.
A: If you are asking is it possible for a third density being to seek consciously to disrupt activities, yes, certainly this is possible. Has it happened as of yet? No. Does that mean it cannot happen? No. Does that mean it will happen? It's always a good chance for your activities are of the type which would bring about attack of any and all sorts. Therefore, you must be on the lookout. However. It is also wise not to become obsessed with any particular mode of attack as many, many, many types can be employed. Types that you may not even think of.
Q: (L) Okay. Well, could my sensitivities to atmosphere, attitudes and so forth be a form of attack on myself?
A: Can be. The attack may not be consciously emanating from the physical third density being as in the case of any and all third density beings.
Q: (L) What I meant to inquire is: is my emotional reaction to this distorted?
A: Could be, and if it is, then obviously the attack is successful.
Q: (L) How can I determine this?
A: By being completely open and communicating with all parties at all times. Keeping secrets can only lead to failure.
Q: (L) Well, are TR and JR significantly important to this group? I try to talk to them, but it seems that their emotions either block them from hearing me, or their attitudes and responses put a period to my attempts to discuss issues. I find it almost unbearable to be constantly interrupted and this is a constant with the both of them... if they are not trying to outtalk each other.
A: Well, again, we suggest that you try to avoid subjective inquiries. We ask that you pause and ask yourself if there is anyway that those you refer to as TR and JR, and any and all parties to any extent, can ever be of any benefit to any and all involved before you pass judgment.
Q: (L) Well, I don't quite get the meaning there. F***'s the channel. Obviously that is an important function. Without the channel there is obviously no group. Right?
A: Correct.
Q: (L) Okay, so therefore, in a very real sense, no other of us is all that significant?
A: Incorrect.
Q: (L) Why is that?
A: Vague.
Q: (L) Can we define our roles?
A: It is up to each and everyone of you to define your roles as whatever role you see yourself fulfilling, and also to communicate those to each other. If this is done, it can bring a much clearer picture of the situation to each one of you, and also avoid the possibility that misunderstandings, conflicts of interest, as is possible when there is a lack of communication in any situation. See, this is one of many modes of attack employed very successfully by those who wish to see efforts cease, and the attack is most ingenious because it involves playing with the subconscious mind where 92 % of all thought processes originate in third density.
Q: (L) Well, it has not been my perception that TR and JR are open to honest communication. They are quite willing to point out other people's problems, but they do not want to hear it if someone else has a problem with them.
A: Then it would seem that it is not an open forum.
Q: (L) How can you have an open forum with someone who is not honest with themselves?
A: Subjective.
Q: (L) Of course its subjective. Isn't it significant that since they have arrived in the group that the level of information has deteriorated and the occurrence of vague and non-issuing answers?
A: Be careful not to read incorrect mechanical approaches as defective characteristics or personality or nature. It is important to differentiate between that which is alterable, curable, or can be helped, with that which is incurable, unalterable, and cannot be helped. Also, realize too, that as third density STS beings, it is very easy for any and all of you, each and every one of you, to fall into the trap, which is, of course, one form of attack coming from 4th density STS; to fall into the trap of seeking to serve self even when in cooperation with or in forum with others. This can cause, ultimately, a derailing, of any and all activities designed to improve situations or generate wide-spread assistance.

For my part, what I see as most frustrating in regards to other groups, be them online groups or just social/work groups in any situation, is the lack of any sort of awareness of anything important. Now, I know that its not my place to 'tell' them - especially if you get people who stenuously avoid any form of 'truth' because it's nasty. Its almost like society is behaving like a herd of unquestioning bovines, all following each other around. This is what I find frustrating. Perhaps its because pathocracy will (and does) take advantage of them.

 

[Shrunkensimon]

"For my part, what I see as most frustrating in regards to other groups, be them online groups or just social/work groups in any situation, is the lack of any sort of awareness of anything important"

You and me all buddy :)

some best friends of mine still take the side of Israel, yet they have no idea why they are doing so. Thing is, i can picture myself in their position, if only i could remember how i woke myself up out of the mainstream trance...

i also tend to get the feeling most people don't want to hear about the truth, because deep down they already know the truth to a certain degree (most people accept there is something gravely wrong with the way the world is functioning right now).

my dad for instance, said, and i quote, "all muslims are terrorists". yet, he knows the dirty things Israel has done, but he seems to have been won over by the MSM viewpoint. im starting to win him over, and i will not give up until i have done. Its one thing not to force this truth on anyone, but when it comes to family, they DESERVE to know the truth, and no less.