Paul Walker - Celebrity Dies

[luke wilson]

Paul Walker actor of Fast and Furious movie series died after a fatal car crash. Leaves behind a 15 year old daughter. The driver his friend/personal financial adviser and a racing enthusiast died as well, left behind 2 kids and a wife.

I was shocked to hear the news. I guess because it just demonstrates one minute you can be living the life, no problems in sight, the next, without warning, one dies.

 

[Buddy]

...one minute you can be living the life, no problems in sight, the next, without warning, one dies.

I didn't know of Paul Walker, but I've often wondered about the shock that just being a witness (real or virtual) to such a quick transition between life and death provides.

I don't recall actually experiencing someone's death-via-impact in real life, but on film...like in a movie...? OMG, it tears me up inside.

I remember my mistake in watching that first Final Destination movie. I was watching this movie with others. Here comes that scene where the kid walks of the curb and gets hit by a speeding bus. I yelled, jumped off the couch and then noticed my body was kind of contorted as if it were me that had been hit. That was a hard shock to me, personally, and it wasn't even real.

Everybody but me got a good laugh. I think I had been traumatized or something because I was shaky for awhile and had to get up and walk around for a few minutes until I calmed down.

For anyone who doubts that the brain can't tell the difference between a real and a realistic, contrived (virtual) experience, I usually tell that story. Many people can relate.

Sorry if this is off-topic.

 

[Zadius Sky]

It's indeed sad to hear about this. I've seen Paul Walker in Pleasantville, Timeline, and Into the Blue but never seen any of The Fast and the Furious film series. What I found odd is that he and his friend were racing enthusiasts and they should have been very careful when driving. But, it is said that they basically lost control of the car and crashed into tree and burst into flame. I've seen the picture of the crash - they must have been driving pretty fast and furious (ironically).

 

[luke wilson]

...one minute you can be living the life, no problems in sight, the next, without warning, one dies.

I didn't know of Paul Walker, but I've often wondered about the shock that just being a witness (real or virtual) to such a quick transition between life and death provides.

I don't recall actually experiencing someone's death-via-impact in real life, but on film...like in a movie...? OMG, it tears me up inside.

I remember my mistake in watching that first Final Destination movie. I was watching this movie with others. Here comes that scene where the kid walks of the curb and gets hit by a speeding bus. I yelled, jumped off the couch and then noticed my body was kind of contorted as if it were me that had been hit. That was a hard shock to me, personally, and it wasn't even real.

Everybody but me got a good laugh. I think I had been traumatized or something because I was shaky for awhile and had to get up and walk around for a few minutes until I calmed down.

For anyone who doubts that the brain can't tell the difference between a real and a realistic, contrived (virtual) experience, I usually tell that story. Many people can relate.

Sorry if this is off-topic.

I can't watch some scenes in movies where someone is for example getting tortured or dying in some horrific way. I somehow feel the perceived pain which makes me look away.

Regarding Paul Walker, I first knew about it through FB but I kept on saying to myself, 'surely not, it must be another Paul Walker'. Then I googled and sure, it was the one and only. I was shocked. So young, so sudden, no warning. Then a part of me was thinking, what is the difference between lets say Paul Walker and any of the other countless people who die in any given day due to some unforeseen accident or situation. I can read on the paper that a car crashed or a train crashed somewhere and x amount of people died and yet I won't really FEEL anything. I would acknowledge the situation is tragic but I won't register any emotional shock. But Paul Walker, some celebrity I don't know, I definitely felt some shock. Not usually the case with other celebrities mind you e.g. Michael Jackson or Heath Ledger.

Just weird how the cogs turn is all.

Just made me think, you know, there won't be any warning. Something about that just doesn't seem right.

 

[Buddy]

I think my shock reaction depends on whether or not my senses are involved when the impact happens to someone and whether or not there was a warning. The bus example I used was an example of no warning, but the other scenes are a different story. I usually register "fore-shadowing" and intuitively pick up warnings, but there are times, I guess, when neither fore-shadowing or warning applies - at least within the range of perceptual abilities.

I can read on the paper that a car crashed or a train crashed somewhere and x amount of people died and yet I won't really FEEL anything. I would acknowledge the situation is tragic but I won't register any emotional shock.

My feelings in such cases, generally speaking, are not very intense, but I will generally at least feel a sadness whose depth can vary quite a lot.

But Paul Walker, some celebrity I don't know, I definitely felt some shock.

I think that's normal, anyway, because whether or not you knew him personally, what you knew of him had some emotional value to you.

Just made me think, you know, there won't be any warning. Something about that just doesn't seem right.

I know what you mean.

 

[mkrnhr]

Maybe the difference is one of identification. When you hear about a bus accident with x victims, it's just a number, x. You don't identify the victims as persons who have lives, families etc. An actor whom you watched some movies you identify as a person who has a life, a family etc.
Maybe a good exercise would be to try to imagine the lives of the people who had an accident, or have been murdered during a war, etc. Take one of the victims and try to imagine what would have been his/her daily life, family life, friends, hopes, fears, etc. and also the moment of the accident and what would have been the last moments of that person.

 

[pete02]

My first thought on this was just another actor living the life style of the rich and famous that had an unfortunate end however I then remembered how certain agencies can take control of your vehicle and make it look like an accident. I'm not sure if or how Paul would've fit the bill for being a threat against anyone but then I don't know that much about his life. It could be just my suspicious nature but being that he was involved with Hollywood I had to question it. After all what a more believable way for him to die by accident being that everyone associated him with cars and fast driving.

 

[Menna]

one minute you can be living the life, no problems in sight

Tough to objectively say... He had money and fame however I and im sure you have heard of many who have had those two things and were not happy or had problems in sight. He died in a car crash and it was made public easily from the news and social media he had a lot of talent and was a good looking guy. My friends cousins actually looks like paul walker...if he dies in a car crash only few will know about it. The difference is in the fame

 

[Anthony]

I wonder why we all get shocked when a celebrity dies? Perhaps it has to do
with Ernest Beckers work. As in we believe that being famous and having money
and all that would perhaps protect us from death.
So a regular person goes: 'Well if he died, what chance do I have?'

I too was a bit startled when I heard the news, but why his death instead
of countless others that day?

 

[Carl]

I wonder why we all get shocked when a celebrity dies? Perhaps it has to do
with Ernest Beckers work. As in we believe that being famous and having money
and all that would perhaps protect us from death.
So a regular person goes: 'Well if he died, what chance do I have?'

I too was a bit startled when I heard the news, but why his death instead
of countless others that day?

Well if you've seen a man on screen before then there is a certain sense inside of you that you know him, that he is part of your extended social circle in some way. This is also facilitated by the media.

As humans we also don't tend to deal well with statistics i.e. "71 people died in a car bomb in Iraq today". The net suffering caused from such an event is incalculable for us to process and feel, and there is some abstraction at work. But when you can focus on one person, and you are given a story behind their life and the effects of their death on friends and family, there is more data there to trigger an emotional reaction. The more you knew about a person, the more back story you have, the more you can empathize.

For instance I've noticed that, since I started learning more about the life of JFK, each time I see the assassination video it becomes all the more tragic and horrifying.

 

[Tigersoap]

I wonder why we all get shocked when a celebrity dies? Perhaps it has to do
with Ernest Beckers work. As in we believe that being famous and having money
and all that would perhaps protect us from death.
So a regular person goes: 'Well if he died, what chance do I have?'
I too was a bit startled when I heard the news, but why his death instead
of countless others that day?

Perhaps it has to do with how our western society made out of these "celebrities" our cultural heroes.

On one side their tragic death is a wake up call that we are as mortal as them and at the same time we can hide our anxiety by knowing that they will live forever, that they transcended death by leaving their 'works' behind.
It may helps us to cope with death as we can get a glimpse of immortality by proxy osit.

When your death is just a footnote in a newspaper it is easier to dismiss it as it does not seem 'heroic' enough.

Most of of the entertaining industries are dealing with death on way or another .
Devoid of religious/spiritual meaning it just helps to desensitize us and capitalize on our hidden anxiety so that we either run away from it or start becoming obsessed by it.

It really served the PTB well to shot JFK for example and spin it to their advantage so I suppose that all celebrities death are not equal in what they can bring to our understanding of the world, sometimes it makes us more hungry for the truth. That how it seems to me though.

 

[Menna]

Well if you've seen a man on screen before then there is a certain sense inside of you that you know him, that he is part of your extended social circle in some way. This is also facilitated by the media.

As humans we also don't tend to deal well with statistics i.e. "71 people died in a car bomb in Iraq today". The net suffering caused from such an event is incalculable for us to process and feel, and there is some abstraction at work. But when you can focus on one person, and you are given a story behind their life and the effects of their death on friends and family, there is more data there to trigger an emotional reaction. The more you knew about a person, the more back story you have, the more you can empathize.

For instance I've noticed that, since I started learning more about the life of JFK, each time I see the assassination video it becomes all the more tragic and horrifying.

I agree with the above but would like to add in influence. Paul walkers movies came out at a time when I was and many others easily influenced. We were in our young teen years and very impressionable. Maybe some people took a liking to cars because of his movies maybe others had a crush on him because of his looks. Regardless of what it is a celeberty can and usually does have an impact on someones life influences them in some way much like friends or a parent can. So when someone of fame who has influenced you and thousands if not millions of others die it is tragic in a way. If 70 people die in iraq objectively it is just as tragic if not more because loss of life trumps influence every time be we are humans and when a person of (positive) influence dies that human/personal part of us feels doesn't mean it is more or less important then other dealths it is a feelings and that feeling forces people to write and talk about it because that person touched/influeced their life in a certain way.

I remember exactly where I was when I heard Michael Jackson died regardless of his personal life or if he wa a good person or not I don't know but he had a huge influence on my life and millions of others in the form of dance and music and it was a sad time for me personally because of his personal influence on me.

The only thing I can objectivley say is that Fame + Money doesn't = happiness all of the time

 

[hiker]

My first thought on this was just another actor living the life style of the rich and famous that had an unfortunate end however I then remembered how certain agencies can take control of your vehicle and make it look like an accident. I'm not sure if or how Paul would've fit the bill for being a threat against anyone but then I don't know that much about his life. It could be just my suspicious nature but being that he was involved with Hollywood I had to question it. After all what a more believable way for him to die by accident being that everyone associated him with cars and fast driving.

He seemed to be a genuinely decent guy, helping others and participating in charity work. An interesting point to note, even though he might not have been a direct threat to the PTB

Walker had a wonderful reputation amongst other filmmakers and actors, who praised him as a dedicated performer, a kind person, and a generous friend. He used his fame for charitable interests, and was passionate about shark conservation. He was part of the core of the Fast and the Furious series, which built a tremendous fanbase based not only on action, but through themes of family and friendship.

http://www.slashfilm.com/paul-walker-has-died-at-age-40/

Off the set, Walker consistently used his celebrity to help others in times of crisis. At the time of his death on Saturday, he was taking part in a charity event for his nonprofit group Reach Out Worldwide, which was trying to help those affected by the typhoon in the Philippines.

In early 2010, Walker visited Chile after a magnitude 8.8 earthquake struck the area, triggering a tsunami and ravaging the country.

“You know, I have a lot of friends that surf and travel down here in Chile,” he told a local Chile TV station of why he decided to come and help. “They told me and said, ‘Man, it’s going to be bad.’ The thing’s that incredible to me, is the morale [down here], the spirit. It’s strong!”

Only months later, Walker and his organization traveled to Haiti to help build shelters and provide medical help for those struck by their own earthquake. IV bags, tubing and other supplies were brought to orphanages and refugee camps in support.

For why Walker started this organization, Reach Out Worldwide’s website says, “While part of a relief team responding to the massive earthquakes that devastated Haiti on January 12, 2010; Actor/Producer Paul Walker saw a gap between the availability of skilled resources and the requirement for such personnel in post-disaster situations. Following the trip he contacted a group of his friends to assist him in forming ROWW with the purpose of filling this unmet need.”

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/entertainment/2013/12/paul-walker-rip-passion-for-marine-biology-charity/

 

[luke wilson]

Footage just after the accident

_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5R976MdhNhg


Footage of him being hounded by the paparazzi in October

_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6okridFiBM

The guy was clearly annoying him yet he didn't really react in an angry way. I don't even know what to say. I can't help but think he was off'ed for some reason.

 

[Carl]

Footage just after the accident

_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5R976MdhNhg

Footage of him being hounded by the paparazzi in October

_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6okridFiBM

The guy was clearly annoying him yet he didn't really react in an angry way. I don't even know what to say. I can't help but think he was off'ed for some reason.

Well it does have a Michael Hastings / Princess Diana feel to it. Also found it interesting how the car seemed to be completely obliterated by what looked like 2 explosions (with the small tree left perfectly intact).

From this article:
_http://www.tmz.com/2013/12/02/paul-walker-roger-rodas-deadly-accident-porsche-malfunction-fluid-leak/

The AE sources point to the fact there is a noticeable absence of skid marks until just before the point of impact. They say if Roger had lost control the skid marks would show swerving, but instead the marks were in a straight line. They feel this cements the theory the driver didn't have steering control.

Also suspicious -- the fire spreading so quickly in the front of the car. The sources say flames would be expected in the rear where the engine is ... but fire in the front reinforces their theory of a fluid leak of some sort.

[/l]​

Here is a summary of the basic conspiracy theory floating around places such as GLP right now:
_http://www.ibtimes.com/paul-walker-murder-conspiracy-theories-link-family-guy-typhoon-haiyan-death-1491980

"Paul Walker and his friend were killed shortly after they discovered a conspiracy to supply victims of Typhon Haiyan with a prototype permanent birth control drug hidden in medicinal supplies and food aid," the posting reads. "They had a damning recording and they were on their way to rendezvous with an ally who would have helped them get in touch with the right people. Turns out they were betrayed and someone rigged their car’s brakes to malfunction after a certain speed."
There is no concrete evidence of this theory, but it appears to have spawned a second version of a supposed Haiyan-related motive behind his death, which was also posted on GodLikeProductions.com without any supporting evidence, as WorldTruth.TV reported: