Paul Walker - Celebrity Dies

[The Mechanic]

Well it does have a Michael Hastings / Princess Diana feel to it. Also found it interesting how the car seemed to be completely obliterated by what looked like 2 explosions (with the small tree left perfectly intact).

It reminded me of Michael Hastings too. I've been looking around a bit and what is clearly lacking as of now for any murder or foul play theory is a motive, but that doesn't mean there could not be one. There are a few of unsubstantiated theories out there on the internet but they all sound kinda fake to me.

 

[Carl]

Well it does have a Michael Hastings / Princess Diana feel to it. Also found it interesting how the car seemed to be completely obliterated by what looked like 2 explosions (with the small tree left perfectly intact).

It reminded me of Michael Hastings too. I've been looking around a bit and what is clearly lacking as of now for any murder or foul play theory is a motive, but that doesn't mean there could not be one. There are a few of unsubstantiated theories out there on the internet but they all sound kinda fake to me.

Yeah, what I've seen is certainly not from the most reputable sources and does seem awfully unsubstantiated. I guess conspiracy theories are unavoidable in a major celebrity death. It's still interesting though, with all the info about "car hacking" coming out lately.

 

[Navigator]

I wonder why we all get shocked when a celebrity dies? Perhaps it has to do
with Ernest Beckers work. As in we believe that being famous and having money
and all that would perhaps protect us from death.
So a regular person goes: 'Well if he died, what chance do I have?'
I too was a bit startled when I heard the news, but why his death instead
of countless others that day?

Perhaps it has to do with how our western society made out of these "celebrities" our cultural heroes.

On one side their tragic death is a wake up call that we are as mortal as them and at the same time we can hide our anxiety by knowing that they will live forever, that they transcended death by leaving their 'works' behind.
It may helps us to cope with death as we can get a glimpse of immortality by proxy osit.

When your death is just a footnote in a newspaper it is easier to dismiss it as it does not seem 'heroic' enough.

Most of of the entertaining industries are dealing with death on way or another .
Devoid of religious/spiritual meaning it just helps to desensitize us and capitalize on our hidden anxiety so that we either run away from it or start becoming obsessed by it.

It really served the PTB well to shot JFK for example and spin it to their advantage so I suppose that all celebrities death are not equal in what they can bring to our understanding of the world, sometimes it makes us more hungry for the truth. That how it seems to me though.

What I was thinking when this made the headlines was "and what about the other 34,000 people that died in the US from a car accident in 2012?".

 

[Eva]

Shocked reactions to celebrities' deaths immediately bring to mind the millions of people dying daily who never make it to the news.
I see it as a confirmation that we are born to live lives of lies while trying to pretend we don't see that death surrounds us every step of the way until we eventually die in shock and horror as if it was something unexpected, over and over again.

 

[The Mechanic]

Shocked reactions to celebrities' deaths immediately bring to mind the millions of people dying daily who never make it to the news.
I see it as a confirmation that we are born to live lives of lies while trying to pretend we don't see that death surrounds us every step of the way until we eventually die in shock and horror as if it was something unexpected, over and over again.

Thank you for posting that Eva, how true..

 

[l apprenti de forgeron]

I wonder why we all get shocked when a celebrity dies? Perhaps it has to do
with Ernest Beckers work. As in we believe that being famous and having money
and all that would perhaps protect us from death.
So a regular person goes: 'Well if he died, what chance do I have?'
I too was a bit startled when I heard the news, but why his death instead
of countless others that day?

Perhaps it has to do with how our western society made out of these "celebrities" our cultural heroes.

On one side their tragic death is a wake up call that we are as mortal as them and at the same time we can hide our anxiety by knowing that they will live forever, that they transcended death by leaving their 'works' behind.
It may helps us to cope with death as we can get a glimpse of immortality by proxy osit.

Right!. The celebrities like "buffers" of our anxiety. Celebrities as focal points for millions of people to feed with their mental projections (but make no mistake, I think, most of these "stars" do not deserve much attention). In that case there would be the "fame" as a kind of sub-religion, perhaps more blurred and with different look, but it works well. It makes people projected "spiritual" qualities over other people who is in the mainstream media.

The only thing I can objectivley say is that Fame + Money doesn't = happiness all of the time

Yes, that equation of happiness does not seem to work very well. And a celebrity (actors, writers, even politicians, etc.) in general lives in a world more illusory that "street people". I wonder if exist in life some form of objective and universal happiness, beyond all subjectivities ( including them but not limited for them)?

 

[angelburst29]

New footage on the crash.

_http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2517897/Was-Paul-Walker-trapped-Porsche-GT-started-burn-New-footage-shows-flames-did-fully-engulf-supercar-MINUTE-crash.html

 

[Anthony]

I wonder why we all get shocked when a celebrity dies? Perhaps it has to do
with Ernest Beckers work. As in we believe that being famous and having money
and all that would perhaps protect us from death.
So a regular person goes: 'Well if he died, what chance do I have?'
I too was a bit startled when I heard the news, but why his death instead
of countless others that day?

Perhaps it has to do with how our western society made out of these "celebrities" our cultural heroes.

On one side their tragic death is a wake up call that we are as mortal as them and at the same time we can hide our anxiety by knowing that they will live forever, that they transcended death by leaving their 'works' behind.
It may helps us to cope with death as we can get a glimpse of immortality by proxy osit.

Right!. The celebrities like "buffers" of our anxiety. Celebrities as focal points for millions of people to feed with their mental projections (but make no mistake, I think, most of these "stars" do not deserve much attention). In that case there would be the "fame" as a kind of sub-religion, perhaps more blurred and with different look, but it works well. It makes people projected "spiritual" qualities over other people who is in the mainstream media.

The only thing I can objectivley say is that Fame + Money doesn't = happiness all of the time

Yes, that equation of happiness does not seem to work very well. And a celebrity (actors, writers, even politicians, etc.) in general lives in a world more illusory that "street people". I wonder if exist in life some form of objective and universal happiness, beyond all subjectivities ( including them but not limited for them)?

I think you can achive this with working on yourself. We constantly swing between
negativity and positivity, the point is to not get indentified with either state and
stay in the middle, the third force. In between these swings of the pendulum.
I hope I'm being somewhat clear.

 

[Eridan]

He is just one of the many who died that day. He chose to leave, or he just learned his lesson and went to meet another lesson.

 

[l apprenti de forgeron]

I think you can achive this with working on yourself. We constantly swing between
negativity and positivity, the point is to not get indentified with either state and
stay in the middle, the third force. In between these swings of the pendulum.
I hope I'm being somewhat clear.

Yes, thank you very much. What you say is also related to this thread: "Gurdjieff On the Nature of Man".
https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,33302.0.html
Maybe then "The universal happiness" is associated with developing "The third world", an own world, have initiative and will really individualized.

 

[Corvus]

Shocked reactions to celebrities' deaths immediately bring to mind the millions of people dying daily who never make it to the news.
I see it as a confirmation that we are born to live lives of lies while trying to pretend we don't see that death surrounds us every step of the way until we eventually die in shock and horror as if it was something unexpected, over and over again.

Yep, but in the end that shock is from their illusions falling apart and not so much from the end of life of that men, it is not from emotional connection because they did not even know that men(exception being relatives, friends and family) and who he was in reality. They are crying for an imagined personality that died outside and inside of such peoples because the image they had was those from media and movies about supernatural being that can not be killed and represented all they wanted to become. From that they identify and try to to attain those qualities presented, so they are not crying from compassion but from losing their illusion as said. Good morning and Welcome to the real world.

And the question is if even if the majority were presented with all the info about daily deaths if they would still care because those "celebrities" represent macro-cosmic personalities of theirs microcosmic personas aka their dreams, desires. They want piece of that energy they are sucking to themselves from all those fans, they want money, comfort fame, macho-ism, feeling accepted and special. Those "celebrities" will always get more attention because they represent in their eyes "dream come true", and they judge people based on their status and fame, see those people as more significant and special then everybody else. So the good question to ask yourself is to what are you consciously or unconsciously really attracted in those people? Is it some good qualities or something more sinister? Is it really ego hook and not some mask of compassion?

Death is no sunshine and rainbows but it is a natural way of things. More sad is human life of suffering and ignorance. It seems he did some charity but he learned a hard lesson because of ego hook. Accepting lie as reality, fiction stunts in movies as real life. That got him killed, addiction to adrenaline rush not mentioning jeopardizing lives of other people on the road with reckless driving. For that there are race tracks where you can brag with your "manhood" as much as you like.

And when you look at it those movies they get famous for promote only materialism, violence, selfishness, etc.. so movie industry impacts people worldwide in a very negative way and those actors play significant role, consciously or unconsciously. And by the way friend of Vin Diesel or aka Mr. Simon Necronomicon in Babylon AD, but that is different story probably.

And by the way I recently came across videos that said Tom Cruise said that making action movie is like being in a military or war zone. Now they said they spined his words but if that is coming from him it is nothing new and shows how many of that kind of people live in their little realities. One veteran with psychological and physical consequences from service made invitation for him to enter the military service and that he will go into acting. So Tom as usually decided to rather continue jumping in his Scientology asylum.

I think you can achive this with working on yourself. We constantly swing between
negativity and positivity, the point is to not get indentified with either state and
stay in the middle, the third force. In between these swings of the pendulum.
I hope I'm being somewhat clear.

By identified you mean subjective? From my understanding third force determines which situation is which, grey area of choice for greater "good" or "evil", not so much a state but choice in particular situation.

 

[angelburst29]

This article has some interesting details on the car and reports of the crash.
_http://cooltop10s.com/top-10-paul-walker-assassinated/

Regardless of how Walker was killed, the facts surrounding his death do not add up on any level and deserve further investigation, at the very least. Although cliché, the cover-up is always worse than the crime.

By engaging in critical thinking and employing deductive logic, a more clear and concise picture of how Walker died and who is responsible will hopefully emerge. By examining the following evidence (or lack thereof), the world will be able to decide for themselves who and what to believe. After all, the goal of any real journalist or Fast and Furious fan should be to find out what really happened—something I’m quite sure Paul Walker would have wanted.

 

[endescent]

When I heard that Paul Walker, famous for acting in movies about car racing died in a car crash, I was reminded of the strange synchronicity of Bruce Lee dying while making a film, and years later his son Brandon Lee died while filming The Crow. The fact that Paul died during and in proximity to an event for his charity organization that supports first response efforts for crisis centers around the world just adds to the mystery. Is the symbolic nature of these events bordering on the more literal side like the events surrounding the deaths of Princess Di and Yasser Arafat? Just a few thoughts.

Paul Walker was a great actor and philanthropist. Though the decision was made at the soul level to leave the Earth plane, it is truly a great loss.

 

[cubbex]

I also think is sad, as sad as it is the death of his friend. But I have this paranoid idea that it was some kind of smoke screen, like, they were supposed to be professional race drivers, and it happened pretty close to the date of ISON passage and it drained lot of attention, as Nelson Mandela's death (not saying this is related), and there was the case of this other journalist that had an important article that "lost" the control of his car and impacted a light post or something.

Maybe the difference is one of identification. When you hear about a bus accident with x victims, it's just a number, x. You don't identify the victims as persons who have lives, families etc. An actor whom you watched some movies you identify as a person who has a life, a family etc.
Maybe a good exercise would be to try to imagine the lives of the people who had an accident, or have been murdered during a war, etc. Take one of the victims and try to imagine what would have been his/her daily life, family life, friends, hopes, fears, etc. and also the moment of the accident and what would have been the last moments of that person.

It may sound dumb but the joker was right: "You know what I've noticed? Nobody panics when things go "according to plan." Even if the plan is horrifying! If, tomorrow, I tell the press that, like, a gang banger will get shot, or a truckload of soldiers will be blown up, nobody panics, because it's all "part of the plan". But when I say that one little old mayor will die, well then everyone loses their minds! "

 

[Menna]

It may sound dumb but the joker was right: "You know what I've noticed? Nobody panics when things go "according to plan." Even if the plan is horrifying! If, tomorrow, I tell the press that, like, a gang banger will get shot, or a truckload of soldiers will be blown up, nobody panics, because it's all "part of the plan". But when I say that one little old mayor will die, well then everyone loses their minds! "

Whenever something tragic happens that is unexpected it shakes the majority of the human psyche. People have been programed to feel save with order. People mindlessly give their power away to the government to their boss to their parents their teachers never questioning. So when something shocking happens/unexpected it shocks the human psyche and when that happens people feel helpless/confused/not in control. People have not learned to deal/control their emotions so when their psyche is shaken their emotions come out in tweets, FB posts, blog posts, in the news and newspapers. People believe that their emotion are who they are and are an objective measure of whats happening in life so when the bees nest gets hit all the bees go crazy.