Peeling the onion of lies, how many peels is there ?

[Esprit]

Hello everybody!

I feel this is a never ending endeavour. For a moment it feels great to spot a program and counsciously make another choice. But another one waits to be caught at the corner. I started playing around with my different personnalities, taking a step back to look at myself so to give less power to the different faces in me, trying to be as an observer.
(Anybody watched Fringe ? I picture myself as The Observer...very funny ! ;D )

One personnality that often comes back is the lazy one. I feel it's often a burden when a new effort is asked for the next task. Even things I enjoy! I think I'm starting to see when Gurdjieff says it's all lies. All of it.
Taking a step back from the tasks really helps proceeding into my next moves in a more enjoyable way. I associate the lies with judgement. Judgement put on everything and everyone.


I've read something on the forum recently. If somebody can point me to where it was quoted I'd really appreciate. I'm just writing on the top of my mind so I'd like to specify these are not the exact words use. I think it was a quote from Gurdjieff something along those lines:

Everything you do is a reflect of your relation with creation. Those who think they must put life aside or overcome life or forget about it are those who have lost faith in their interaction with creation.

That was a hit! I totally lived the most part of my life in that pact. Cynism was my trademark and I still battle it on a daily basis. Self-remembering ( what I think I am doing...am I ?) and trying to observe myself has helped a lot recently puting some joy in my life.
Trying to really observe is a good challenge. Avoiding to fall into another personnality but truly observing.

I was really inspired when I woke up yesterday morning these words came to my mind:
The truth is still a lie if you don't see it.

Am I fooling myself or does this make sense ?

The first thing that burst my bubble from the C's is avoid any kind of beleif...now I have trouble trusting myself after defeating lies after lies after lies...
I guess that's one good reason for networking, watching each others backs !

Warm cheers for youz !

 

[BrendaH]

The quote you are referring to is from the C's and it says the following:

Life is religion. Life experiences reflect how one interacts with God. Those who are asleep are those of little faith in terms of their interaction with the creation. Some people think that the world exists for them to overcome or ignore or shut out. For those individuals, the world will cease. They will become exactly what they give to life. They will become merely a dream in the 'past.' People who pay strict attention to objective reality right and left, become the reality of the 'Future.' -- Cassiopaeans, 09-28-02

I don't know if you have already read this topic https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,22.0.html "Self-Observation, Inner Talking & Work Instrument", you can get many important ideas that may be useful for you about the subjects you are talking about.



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[BrendaH]

Moderators: I made a mistake, where it says link it goes url , I always write them instead of selecting them and this time for some reason I had the word "link" in my head

 

[Esprit]

Thank you for your reply that's exactly it that quote !
I'll read that thread for sure.

 

[Phill4]

I just wanted to mention that it is important to keep gathering observation, as seeing no end can put you in a emotional state from which stress can have a draining effect.

To keep gathering observations until you have a good number of them to then study them.

I have been thinking alot about this lately actually, and i like to term the personality a structure through which we perceive the self and the world, the personality is the composed by programs and habits, which are smaller structures, and then you have the expression of it in reactions.

I think it is important on the process of self-observation to keep present the knowledge of the machine the way it works, the centers and their function, all these concepts, so observations can be placed on this framework for self-study.

Sometimes observations pass us a observations, self-remembering then comes into play.
Remembering the framework, which is tied to the aim of self-knowledge.

I think in general, for your question, is a good idea to look at a program as a structure of our psyche, which is a way the activity of the centers is organized to react to stimuly by means of associative memory in the form of reactions. How we repond, how our being reacts to something.
Like when a chemical reaction occurs, two elements react.

Changing the way we crystalized these patterns from accidental life experiences is as difficult as it sounds, but then the idea of creating friction to melt these crystalized aspects, is also a good thing to keep in mind for this process

 

[msante]

Hi Esprit, thanks for share your thoughts and feelings...

I feel this is a never ending endeavour. For a moment it feels great to spot a program and counsciously make another choice. But another one waits to be caught at the corner. I started playing around with my different personnalities, taking a step back to look at myself so to give less power to the different faces in me, trying to be as an observer.

Well, maybe it can be endless in a sense, at least in this instance of existence throuht we are passing for (and maybe many more too). I think that this can be a very hard and painful "backpack" if we feed the ilusion of "getting to the finish line" now or tomorrow (or the next month, or so). Instead if we think about it like a process that carry many lifes and different instances of existence, every achievement (big or small) will be a "great" triumph.

I always keep in mind this words from Cs

Learning images is the process that is ongoing throughout all existence, and is achieved by one action or another. Any and all actions, any and all possible actions, any and all directions of actions facilitate continued learning. Therefore, it is not possible in the ultimate sense, to make mistakes. But, one must experience whatever is karmic to its full extent. The choices made reflect choices made prior to entering the physical plane of third density, combined with the opportunities that present themselves with the variability of reality in its fluid state. Therefore, the decisions to be made will present themselves when they are to be made, and it is only one's ability to accept interpretation objectively that determines whether the learning process will deliver greater or lesser degrees of pain.

I think that if we see our life, our experiences (painful or not), like a process without expectation to get the finish line soon or end suffering, we could feel a kind of relieve and take these "layers of onion" just like one more step.

When you spot a program and you manage to deactivate it (totally or partially) you can get a "pleasurable" feeling, but it (the feeling) is not the "ultimate goal" of our existence, but to learn and grow. So IMO you can enjoy and have a good time after that achievement but your energies should keep always on Work and keeping Working. In summary, I think that we should have more faith on process and focus on keeping the "engine" running and walking.

I just wanted to mention that it is important to keep gathering observation, as seeing no end can put you in a emotional state from which stress can have a draining effect.

Well, I know that it is not easy to do it, but maybe reduce the expectations of see results soon or get rewards for the Work can be helpful too.

Finally I let here Laura's words from "The Wave - Chapter 4" that I always have in mind:

So, when you feel yourself going into negative states, if you want to transcend it, all you have to really do is understand that it is not yours. You don’t “own it.” Yes, it is part of the physicality of this density, but it is a physicality that has been genetically tampered with so that such emotions will dominate. You can not act them out, you can refuse to be controlled by such states, you can choose to be other, even if it requires something of an inner struggle between the choice of the soul and the wants of the flesh which are pretty clever at being rationalized by the brain so that we don’t see what is really going on very clearly at all.

 

[Kay Kim]

Hello Esprit,

The majority of people in this Earth lives by lies, we were one of them.
But now, we found and knows the truth, surely the knowledge gives everyone comfort and joyous. And grateful feelings towards Cs, Laura, members.
We are blessed by the Divine Cosmic Mind!!!
So, as long as we have something to eat and place to sleep, then nothing to worry about.
Please do not anything bother you or hinder you from your paths.

 

[Esprit]

Wow so many good pointers ! Thanks to all of you !

Your anwers makes me see life from a more enjoyable point of view. Like there is really a way to make it a pleaseant journey ! Thanks again ! xx :)