phi ratio in EE

[trendsetter37]

Did anyone notice that the breath count in EE pipe breathing roughly adheres to the phi ratio ((a+b)/a) = 1.62 where 'a' is the larger numerical value. Inhale for a count of 6 exhale for a count of 9. This might seem elementary of me to point it out but I thought it was pretty neat when this notion popped into my head during meditation.

 

[Laura]

Did anyone notice that the breath count in EE pipe breathing roughly adheres to the phi ratio ((a+b)/a) = 1.62 where 'a' is the larger numerical value. Inhale for a count of 6 exhale for a count of 9. This might seem elementary of me to point it out but I thought it was pretty neat when this notion popped into my head during meditation.

If so, it was unconscious on my part!

 

[clerck de bonk]

Did anyone notice that the breath count in EE pipe breathing roughly adheres to the phi ratio ((a+b)/a) = 1.62 where 'a' is the larger numerical value. Inhale for a count of 6 exhale for a count of 9. This might seem elementary of me to point it out but I thought it was pretty neat when this notion popped into my head during meditation.

If so, it was unconscious on my part!

Even better! :D

 

[Persej]

Did anyone notice that the breath count in EE pipe breathing roughly adheres to the phi ratio ((a+b)/a) = 1.62 where 'a' is the larger numerical value. Inhale for a count of 6 exhale for a count of 9.

But 9 and 6 do not belong to the Fibonacci series?

 

[paralleloscope]

Did anyone notice that the breath count in EE pipe breathing roughly adheres to the phi ratio ((a+b)/a) = 1.62 where 'a' is the larger numerical value. Inhale for a count of 6 exhale for a count of 9.

But 9 and 6 do not belong to the Fibonacci series?

I think it is the (approximate) means of phi that trendsetter37 thought of?. The higher you go in the Fibonacci series, by dividing a number of the series with it's smaller neighbour increases the accuracy toward phi. Fibonacci sort of seems like a derivative of phi the value, hard to really get ones head around, imo (most math makes my head spin). It's an interesting phenomena, not only do biological building processes seem to adhere to the golden mean, also humans seem to lean towards it not only in physical proportions but in psyche too. There was a study done (see if I can find it) that showed people subconsciously tending towards making the cut or stroke (on paper) more or less in the golden section.

I've been wondering about the rhytm of the "Ba-ha" section, what it's accelerated meter is? Probably also an intuitive thing, wouldn't suprise me if there was some sweet ratio-nale behind this too.

(Image from Scott Olsen's 'The golden section')

 

[whitecoast]

9 over 6 is 1.5. Technically the ratio 8 over 5, (1.6) would get you much closer to the golden ratio. 13 over 8 is even closer, but it may be a matter of building up the lungs capacity for it. ;)

Does anyone notice a difference if they use a ratio closer to phi?

 

[John G]

He's doing (9+6)/9=15/9=5/3=1.67

 

[trendsetter37]

He's doing (9+6)/9=15/9=5/3=1.67

Thank you bluelamp. That was the equation I found for the Golden ratio. Also 10 and 6 is a tad bit closer (using (a+b)/a), yielding 1.62 instead of 1.67. I also found that I kept wanting wanting to exhale a bit longer than the nine count.

p.s. I included a screencap of a small experiment I did awhile back when I wanted to witness the phi ratio in nature ( i used the distance between the knuckles in my hands). This is when I started taking a lot of the new material I was learning seriously. I tried to explain this phenomena (if you want to call it that) to several people and explained how cool it was but they were unimpressed to say the least.

 

[Jones]

13 over 8 is even closer, but it may be a matter of building up the lungs capacity for it. ;)

Not necessarily so if you include the count for the 'hold' at the end of each in breath and out breath.

Adjusting the 'hold' count can deliver the numbers you state - inhale for 6, hold for two (6+2=8), exhale for 9, hold for 4 (9+4=13).

 

[whitecoast]

He's doing (9+6)/9=15/9=5/3=1.67

ah, whoops.