Plane Crashes

[Approaching Infinity]

Not really what the forum is meant for.

Yep. Maybe a monthly summary of plane crashes would be handy and interesting, if details were kept to the bare minimum, e.g. date, location, make and model, casualties), with embedded links. But a daily rundown of every minor plane crash and aviation-related story is kind of tedious.

 

[Nienna]

If you read the firsts posts in this thread, it started with SeekingtheTruth having a dream about a plane crash, which made him curious about how many plane crashes there had been the day of his dream. He found that there had been quite a few and a woman in one of the plan crashes look quite a bit like the woman in his dreams.

After that, Ryanx said that he had had a dream about a plane crash the same night that SeekingtheTruth had his dream. More conversation between them and, then, others started linking to other plane crashes that had happen since then and it sort of took off from there.

 

[Ca.]

I would say lets not throw the baby out with bath water.
I feel this thread has taken a twist perhaps in the road. And believe the title needs correcting to cover an important and ever changing industry. With best, is yet to come.
As far the crashes, I agree that of the number of flights on a daily basis, are really minuscule. IMHO.

 

[trendsetter37]

So, to cover a trend maybe track the percentage of plane crashes vs successful flights. To track every plane wreck on an almost daily basis seems like a bias is forming and leads to missing the forest for the trees. If I were new to the forum and happened upon this thread it would be easy to think "Oh, the number of plane crashes are too high, something's amiss!"

Tracking plane crashes just for the sake of tracking them is an easy way to program fear into an event that shouldn't be that scary given that it is relatively safe compared to say, driving to work. In short, I personally felt like this was getting into fear mongering; especially without including some kind of metric or added information for why you were doing this, @c.a.

 

[Ca.]

OK fair enough. It was not my intentions, as stated:

"As far the crashes, I agree that of the number of flights on a daily basis, are really minuscule. IMHO."

I think that your implying something that is was not intended. The whole thread took a different turn sometime back.
As far as fear mongering this thread, I think that's a bit much.

 

[trendsetter37]

OK fair enough. It was not my intentions, as stated:


I think that your implying something that is was not intended. The whole thread took a different turn sometime back.
As far as fear mongering this thread, I think that's a bit much.

Intent aside, the definition of fear mongering is continually covering or relating morbid events without context or with skewed context.

 

[Ursus Minor]

Chilean Air Force C-130 plane en route to Antarctica disappears with 38 on board

An aircraft disappearing off Antarctica must be ringing some bells for inclined readers.
It combines such mysteries as "Antarctica", "Missing people" and "MH-370"...

The plane's destination was the "Frei" military base on King George Island.

We'll have to stay tuned to find out whether parts of the plane can be recovered or whether it accidentally went to another realm...

BBC News on Dec 12, 2019

The transport aircraft took off from Punta Arenas at 16:55 local time (19:55 GMT), and operators lost contact at 18:13 (21:13).Those missing include 17 crew and 21 passengers.

They were travelling to provide logistical support to a military base on Antarctica's King George Island. A search-and-rescue mission is under way.

Air Force Gen Eduardo Mosqueira told local media that the plane did not activate any distress signal. He said the plane, whose pilot had extensive experience, might have been forced to touch down on water.

An air force statement said that the plane was about 450 miles (725km) into its 770-mile journey when contact was lost, placing it within the Drake Passage.

The Drake Passage is a body of water connecting the South Atlantic and South Pacific oceans, and is known for treacherous weather conditions. But Chile's air force said local weather was good at the time of the plane's disappearance.

It also said that the plane would have had enough fuel to keep airborne until 00:40.

Three of the passengers were Chilean soldiers; two were civilians employed by engineering and construction firm Inproser, who were going to carry out work on the military base; one was a student at Magellanes University; and the remaining 15 passengers were members of the air force.

 

[Ursus Minor]

CBS News on Dec 12, 2019

Punta Arenas, Chile — Search crews have found the wreckage of a Chilean air force plane that went missing en route to Antarctica with 38 people aboard, the country's defense minister said Thursday. He said human remains from some of the victims were also recovered from the sea off the southern tip of South America.

Defense Minister Alberto Espina confirmed the discovery of the aircraft and the remains on Thursday, hours after search and rescue teams recovered floating debris and personal items suspected to have come from the plane.

Earlier, the Chilean-flagged vessel Antarctic Endeavour located debris believed to be part of the plane's fuel tanks, Air Force Commander Eduardo Mosqueira told a press conference.

He said the wreckage was located about 17 miles from the plane's last known position. It dropped off radar screens at 6:13 p.m. (4:30 p.m. Eastern) Monday, on the way to Chile's Eduardo Frei base on the Antarctic coast.

The Drake Passage is the shortest distance from the South American continent to the Antarctic continent, and is frequently used for passages by both air and sea between South America and Antarctica. The passage is known for frequent storms and 40-foot waves. Sea conditions in the area where the aircraft was lost were reported as moderate at the time of its disappearance. However, the weather forecast for the 500-mile wide open ocean passage for today called for temperatures of 2° Fahrenheit with near gale-force winds and snow. High winds in the region will increase wave size in the area, making search and rescue operations more difficult. Lighting conditions in the region are favorable however, with the area having approximately 20-hours of daylight due to the season in the extreme southern hemisphere.

Source: theaviationist.com

File photo of Chilean military C-130 transport in Antarctica. (Photo: Fuerza Aerea de Chile)

 

[angelburst29]

Twelve dead as plane crashes after take-off in Kazakhstan

Twelve people were killed and dozens injured when a plane with nearly 100 passengers and crew on board crashed soon after take-off in Kazakhstan on Friday.

Kazakhstan plane crash death toll cut to 12

Kazakh authorities said 12 people were killed when their passenger plane carrying nearly 100 people crashed on Friday shortly after departing from Almaty airport.

 

[angelburst29]

Helicopter crash ...

Taiwan's military chief among eight dead in helicopter crash
Taiwan's top military official was among eight people killed on Thursday, after a helicopter carrying them to visit soldiers crashed in a mountainous area near the capital Taipei, the defense ministry said.

Taiwan's Military Chief Killed In Chopper Crash
Taiwan's military chief was killed in a helicopter crash on Thursday, the defence ministry said, just days before the island goes to polls to elect a new president.

The chief of the general staff, Shen Yi-ming, was among eight senior officers -- including three major-generals -- who died when their Black Hawk helicopter smashed into mountains near Taipei.

The 62-year-old general and his entourage were on a routine mission to visit soldiers in northeast Yilan county for the upcoming Lunar New Year when the incident happened.

Lieutenant-general Tsao Ching-ping, one of five survivors, told rescuers in footage broadcast on local TV: "I am okay... two others are injured and only.

"There is one more person who's more seriously wounded and two or three people in the cabin ... while two more with no signs of life."

Rescuers searching for survivors after a military Black Hawk helicopter smashed into mountains in Yilan county near Taipei, killing the island's top military chief, Shen Yi-ming Photo: Yilan County Fire Department / Handout

The UH-60M helicopter carrying 13 people disappeared from radar less than 15 minutes after taking off, said Air Force Commander Hsiung Hou-chi, adding that the ministry had set up a taskforce to investigate the incident.

 

[Kaigen]

In the news
A Ukrainian a Boeing 737 bound for Kiev from Tehran has crashed after takeoff
RT.COM
due to technical problems, Iranian media reported. Much of the regional airspace was cleared due to Iranian missile strikes on US targets in Iraq.
Flight radar information shows Ukraine International Airlines flight PS752 abruptly disappearing after takeoff from the Imam Khomeini airport after taking off just after 6 am local time. There were reportedly 180 passengers and crew on board, and their fate is unknown.

 

[angelburst29]

Wed, January 8, 2020 - A Ukrainian airliner carrying at least 170 passengers crashed on Wednesday due to technical problems soon after taking off from Tehran's Imam Khomeini airport, and all aboard were killed, Iran's state television said.

Ukrainian Boeing 737 crashes in Iran, all 170 aboard killed: Iranian state TV
The Boeing 737 belonging to Ukraine International Airlines crashed near the airport and burst into flames.

Ukrainian airplane crashes in Iran, killing at least 170
Ukrainian airplane crashes in Iran, killing at least 170

Ukrainian airplane carrying at least 170 people crashed on Wednesday shortly after takeoff from Tehran's main airport, killing all onboard, state TV reported.

The plane had taken off from Imam Khomeini International Airport in the Iranian capital. The crash is suspected to have been caused by mechanical issues, the TV reported, without elaborating.

An investigation team was at the site of the crash in southwestern outskirts of Tehran, civil aviation spokesman Reza Jafarzadeh said.

''After taking off from Imam Khomeini International Airport, it crashed between Parand and Shahriar,'' Jafarzadeh said. ''An investigation team from the national aviation department was dispatched to the location after the news was announced.''

Pir Hossein Kulivand, an Iranian emergency official, later told state TV all those on board were killed in the crash. He said rescuers were trying to collect the dead.

State TV earlier said there were 180 passengers and crew aboard. The discrepancy could not be immediately reconciled.

Flight data from the airport showed a Ukrainian 737-800 flown by Ukraine International Airlines took off Wednesday morning, then stopped sending data almost immediately afterward, according to website FlightRadar24. The airline did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

Associated Press journalists who reached the crash site saw a wide field of field of debris scattered across farmland. The dead lay among shattered pieces of the aircraft. Rescuers in masks shouted over the noise of hovering helicopters as they worked.

The crash came hours after Iran launched a ballistic missile attack targeting two bases in Iraq housing U.S. forces in retaliation for the killing of Revolutionary Guard Gen. Qassem Soleimani.

 

[Ca.]

Wed, January 8, 2020 - A Ukrainian airliner carrying at least 170 passengers crashed on Wednesday due to technical problems soon after taking off from Tehran's Imam Khomeini airport, and all aboard were killed, Iran's state television said.

BREAKING Ukraine International Boeing 737-800 #PS752 has crashed after take off from Tehran

A Ukrainian Boeing 737-800 carrying 176 passengers and crew has crashed near Tehran. Iranian state media reported that the Kiev-bound Ukrainian International Airlines flight #PS752 crashed few minutes after takeoff from Imam Khomeini International Airport, killing all 167 passengers and nine...

www.airlive.net

A Ukrainian Boeing 737-800 carrying 176 passengers and crew has crashed near Tehran.

Iranian state media reported that the Kiev-bound Ukrainian International Airlines flight #PS752 crashed few minutes after takeoff from Imam Khomeini International Airport, killing all 167 passengers and nine crew on board.

Please reload the page for updates…

• UPDATE Victims: Ukrainians 11, Iranians 71, Canadians 73, Germans 4, British 3, Swedish 8, Afghans 6.
• UPDATE Iranian sources say the Ukrainian plane did not contact the control tower.
• UPDATE The flight #PC752 was heading to Kiev.
• UPDATE The Boeing 737-800 (reg. UR-PSR) was only 3 years old.
• UPDATE Ground witnesses observed a fire before the 737 went down.
• UPDATE Flight data shows the aircraft reached an altitude of 7,900 ft and then suddenly disappeared at a ground speed of 270 kts.

Photos later published by Iran’s state-run IRNA news agency showed rescue officials in a farm field, with what appeared to be pieces of the aircraft laying nearby.

FAA has issued a NOTAM outlining flight restrictions that prohibit U.S. civil aviation operators from operating in the airspace over Iraq, Iran, and the waters of the Persian Gulf and the Gulf of Oman.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1214777416524148738

Early images of a Ukrainian plane fire in the Shahriar area #سقوط_هواپيما

https://twitter.com/x/status/1214814837555023872

Edit Add:

The Ukraine International Airlines aircraft
The aircraft involved in this incident was registered as UR-PSR. Data from Planespotters indicates that the aircraft is just over 3 years old. Furthermore, the data indicates that this is a leased aircraft that has only flown for Ukraine International Airlines. UR-PSR is also a frequent aircraft operating this route. The plane previously flew between Tehran and Kyiv on UIA on January 3rd, 4th, and 6th before operating this flight on January 8th, 2020.

 

[Ca.]

More data, with an absurd accusation from the The Gateway Pundit.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1214796818615357440

Al Hadath: The speed data of the Ukrainian plane suddenly stopped which means it exploded...

https://twitter.com/x/status/1214778686123188224

https://twitter.com/x/status/1214805462882963456

https://twitter.com/x/status/1214763170176233472

 

[Ca.]

Ukrainian passenger plane crashes in Iran, killing all 176 on board

Fire strikes one of the engines of the Boeing 737-800 after it takes off from Tehran to Kyiv, causing pilot to lose control

www.timesofisrael.com

Snip:
The plane had been delayed from taking off from Imam Khomeini International Airport by almost an hour. It took off to the west, but never made it above 8,000 feet in the air, according to data from the flight-tracking website FlightRadar24.

It remains unclear what happened. Qassem Biniaz, a spokesman for Iran’s Road and Transportation Ministry, said it appeared a fire struck one of its engines. The pilot of the aircraft then lost control of the plane, sending it crashing into the ground, Biniaz said, according to the state-run IRNA news agency.

Hassan Razaeifar, the head of air crash investigation committee, said it appeared the pilot couldn’t communicate with air-traffic controllers in Tehran in the last moments of the flight. He did not elaborate.

Ukrainian authorities have offered to help with the investigation of the plane crash. “We’re preparing a group of specialists in order to help with the search operation and the investigation of the cause of the crash,” Honcharuk said.

The plane, fully loaded with fuel for its 2,300-kilometer (1,430-mile) flight, slammed into farmland near the town of Shahedshahr on the outskirts of Tehran. Videos taken immediately after the crash show blazes lighting up the darkened fields before dawn.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1214865609336463361

https://twitter.com/x/status/1214826838654115841

https://twitter.com/x/status/1214982336930033666

A group of aerospace experts said Wednesday that Ukrainian International Airlines flight 752, which seemingly dropped out of the sky minutes after takeoff last night in Tehran, was likely shot out of the sky.

According to a report cited by the Independent, analysts should start from the assumption that the plane, which had 176 people on board, none of whom survived, crashed as the result of a "shootdown." While others insisted that it's still too early to jump to conclusions, the OPS group, an aviation risk monitoring group, said photos from the crash site clearly show projectile holes in the plane's fuselage and wing.

"We would recommend the starting assumption to be that this was a shootdown event, similar to MH17 – until there is clear evidence to the contrary," highlighting photos of the crash site which they said "show obvious projectile holes in the fuselage and a wing section."

The Boeing Co. 737-800 single-aisle jet crashed two minutes after takeoff from Tehran’s Imam Khomeini International Airport while en route to Kiev.