Plane Crashes
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Considering the circumstances, a small miracle has occurred - according to this latest report - the survival of a toddler.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/africa/toddler-survives-comoros-jet-crash-1724727.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/africa/toddler-survives-comoros-jet-crash-1724727.html
Meri said:
Or that is what they want people to think... after all, if this one went down for mechanical reasons, that would lend support to the idea that the Air France flight that went down over the Atlantic was also due to mechanical failures. After all, can't have people thinking it just MIGHT be a real mystery - like an atmospheric cometary explosion!
It would be quite typical for such an event as this latest crash to be engineered just to drive the thinking of the masses. 1) No mystery about the first crash; 2) Down with Airbus, Up with Boeing. Boeing, incidentally, is in bed with the CIA and was having a hard time competing with Airbus recently.
Meri said:
Yeah, it was a high price for the passengers to pay. But if this was a deliberate attack, then the people likely involved are essentially the same people involved in 9/11 and the Iraq war etc. As a result of those actions they have killed well over 1 million innocent people. Over the course of the last 80 years or so, the same group of people have killed hundreds of millions of innocent people.
So for them, taking out a plane with 150 on board is a very small thing
From today's Sott.net news article - http://www.sott.net/articles/show/188303-I-felt-like-I-d-been-electrocuted-Sole-survivor-of-Airbus-crash-relives-her-ordeal-as-she-is-reunited-with-her-father:
Certainly, a much different scenario from the Air France crash. But, of course, what people are supposed to focus on is that, both were crashes, both were ocean crashes, both were Airbus ocean crashes - therefore, they were the same! Airbuses are unsafe! And that's why they both crashed! And that's the message that is supposed to stick in our minds, not what actually caused the crashes.
And as noted in the Reader Comments:
And of course, there weren't supposed to be any survivors!!!
Certainly, a much different scenario from the Air France crash. But, of course, what people are supposed to focus on is that, both were crashes, both were ocean crashes, both were Airbus ocean crashes - therefore, they were the same! Airbuses are unsafe! And that's why they both crashed! And that's the message that is supposed to stick in our minds, not what actually caused the crashes.
And as noted in the Reader Comments:
GRiM said:
And of course, there weren't supposed to be any survivors!!!
1984
The Living Force
Breaking news so not much detail yet:
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Breaking News: TransAsia airplane crashes making emergency landing - 51 reported dead
At least 40 people have been killed, after a TransAsia plane made an emergency landing in Taiwan's Penghu county, the Xinhua News agency reports. A Taiwanese news agency reports that more than 51 people have been killed in the crash. According...
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_http://abc7news.com/news/unresponsive-plane-crashes-in-jamaica/296383/
MIAMI -- Jamaican officials say unresponsive US plane has crashed on the island.
Two F-15 fighter jets were following a private plane over the Atlantic Ocean today. Government officials say the pursuit began after the pilot failed to respond to repeated contact attempts by air traffic controllers.
The FAA says controllers were last able to contact the pilot of the high-performance single-engine turboprop at around 10 a.m., Eastern time. The pilot took off from Rochester, New York, and had filed a flight plan to Naples, Florida.
The fighter jets were launched at around 11:30. An aviation tracking website, Flightaware, showed the plane over the Caribbean at around 2 p.m.
It's the second time in less than a week that private pilot has become unresponsive during a flight. On Saturday, a pilot lost consciousness and his plane drifted into restricted airspace over the nation's capital. Fighter jets were also launched in that case and stayed with the small aircraft until it ran out of fuel and crashed Saturday into the Atlantic.
MIAMI -- Jamaican officials say unresponsive US plane has crashed on the island.
Two F-15 fighter jets were following a private plane over the Atlantic Ocean today. Government officials say the pursuit began after the pilot failed to respond to repeated contact attempts by air traffic controllers.
The FAA says controllers were last able to contact the pilot of the high-performance single-engine turboprop at around 10 a.m., Eastern time. The pilot took off from Rochester, New York, and had filed a flight plan to Naples, Florida.
The fighter jets were launched at around 11:30. An aviation tracking website, Flightaware, showed the plane over the Caribbean at around 2 p.m.
It's the second time in less than a week that private pilot has become unresponsive during a flight. On Saturday, a pilot lost consciousness and his plane drifted into restricted airspace over the nation's capital. Fighter jets were also launched in that case and stayed with the small aircraft until it ran out of fuel and crashed Saturday into the Atlantic.
_http://www.baynews9.com/content/news/baynews9/news/article.html/content/news/articles/bn9/2014/9/5/jets_investigating_u.html
PETERSON AIR FORCE BASE, Colo. --
Officials are investigating an unresponsive aircraft currently flying over the Atlantic Ocean.
The Socata TBM-700 light business and utility aircraft departed Rochester, N.Y. with a flight plan filed to land in Naples. However the plane’s occupants did not respond to attempts to communicate. Officials say the plane is registered to Larry Glazer, a well-known real estate developer from Rochester, New York.
The plane entered, and exited Cuban airspace before heading towards Jamaica, changing direction before losing altitude suddenly.
According to FlightAware's raw data, after flying at a constant speed and direction, the plane started to slowly descend and slow down. Two minutes later, the direction of the plane had changed from south, to southeast, and then southwest. However, at 2:11pm, it went back up to 25,000 feet, which was where it was cruising for hours. Shortly later the plane crashed just north of the island Caribbean island.
Major Basil Jarrett of the Jamaican Defense Force says the plane went down Friday about 14 miles northeast of Port Antonio. Jarrett says the military has sent aircraft to investigate. There was no immediate information about the people on board.
The FAA will be investigating the incident and the crash.
More information will be made available as it emerges.
As one of NORAD's critical airspace security partners, the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) provides air traffic services for NORAD to safely and effectively perform its mission and to minimize the impacts on normal air traffic operations.
PETERSON AIR FORCE BASE, Colo. --
Officials are investigating an unresponsive aircraft currently flying over the Atlantic Ocean.
The Socata TBM-700 light business and utility aircraft departed Rochester, N.Y. with a flight plan filed to land in Naples. However the plane’s occupants did not respond to attempts to communicate. Officials say the plane is registered to Larry Glazer, a well-known real estate developer from Rochester, New York.
The plane entered, and exited Cuban airspace before heading towards Jamaica, changing direction before losing altitude suddenly.
According to FlightAware's raw data, after flying at a constant speed and direction, the plane started to slowly descend and slow down. Two minutes later, the direction of the plane had changed from south, to southeast, and then southwest. However, at 2:11pm, it went back up to 25,000 feet, which was where it was cruising for hours. Shortly later the plane crashed just north of the island Caribbean island.
Major Basil Jarrett of the Jamaican Defense Force says the plane went down Friday about 14 miles northeast of Port Antonio. Jarrett says the military has sent aircraft to investigate. There was no immediate information about the people on board.
The FAA will be investigating the incident and the crash.
More information will be made available as it emerges.
As one of NORAD's critical airspace security partners, the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) provides air traffic services for NORAD to safely and effectively perform its mission and to minimize the impacts on normal air traffic operations.
angelburst29
The Living Force
More information on the plane that went down in Jamaican waters. The report is stating three passengers, the pilot, his wife who is also a pilot and an unknown passenger.
Mystery shrouds US couple's crash off Jamaica
_http://www.mail.com/news/us/3081980-mystery-shrouds-us-couples-crash-jamaica.html#.7518-stage-hero1-6
Saturday September 6, 2014
Jamaica Coast Guard Commander Antonette Wemyss-Gorman told a news conference Saturday afternoon that debris spotted off the coast on Friday evening could no longer be seen. "We would have to assume it may have sunk," she said.
Maj. Basil Jarrett of the Jamaica Defense Force had said earlier in the day that possible wreckage of the high-performance plane was spotted Friday evening by a military aircraft flying off the island's northeast coast, floating roughly 24 miles (38 kilometers) off the coastal town of Port Antonio.
Leroy Lindsay, director of Jamaica's civil aviation authority, said that the area where the private U.S. plane went down has depths of up to 2,000 meters (more than 6,500 feet). The Jamaican military on Friday had reported finding an oil slick in the general area where the plane vanished.
Lindsay said that once the wreckage is located, French authorities have offered to provide expertise and equipment to bring it up from the ocean depths because the airplane was French-made. The single-engine turboprop Socata TBM700 was carrying Rochester real estate developer Laurence Glazer and his entrepreneur wife, Jane — both experienced pilots. On Friday, U.S. fighter pilots were launched to shadow the unresponsive aircraft observed the pilot slumped over and its windows frosting over. Officials say the plane slammed into the sea at least 14 miles (22 kilometers) off Jamaica's northeast coastline.
In a Friday statement, the Coast Guard 7th District command center in Miami said three people were reportedly on board the plane.
A 154-foot (47-meter) U.S. Coast Guard cutter and a helicopter crew are aiding in the Saturday search off Jamaica.
The plane's pilot had indicated there was a problem and twice asked to descend to a lower altitude before permission was granted by an air traffic controller, according to a recording of the radio conversation. Radio contact with the plane was lost shortly thereafter.
Son Rick Glazer said he could not confirm his parents were killed, adding that "we know so little." But public officials offered their condolences for a couple described as a linchpin in efforts to rejuvenate an upstate New York city stung by the decline of corporate giants Kodak, Bausch & Lomb and Xerox.
"The Glazers were innovative and generous people who were committed to revitalizing downtown Rochester and making the city they loved a better place for all," Gov. Andrew Cuomo said. Laurence Glazer co-founded Buckingham Properties and served as chief executive and managing partner, working alongside two sons. Overall, the company owns more than 60 properties in the Rochester area and in central Florida.
His friend Harold Samoff said Saturday that he and Glazer got started in the real estate business in 1970 with a small apartment building, then went on to acquire and revitalize more and bigger properties on the inner-city periphery, reasoning that "just like blight can spread, improvement can spread, also." Samoff retired about a decade ago.
Glazer went on to more complex projects, such as converting former industrial properties into loft apartments and turning a shuttered hospital into offices. More recently, he bought Xerox Corp.'s Rochester tower — the city's tallest — and Bausch + Lomb's building.
Jane Glazer started QCI Direct, which produces two national retail catalogs selling household and other products. It made Rochester's Top 100 list of fastest growing privately held companies last year, according to its website.
The single-engine plane took off at 8:45 a.m. Friday from the Greater Rochester International Airport in New York en route to Naples, Florida. Air traffic controllers were last able to contact the pilot at 10 a.m., the U.S. Federal Aviation Administration said in a statement.
On a recording made by LiveATC, a website that monitors and posts air traffic control audio recordings, the pilot is heard saying, "We need to descend down to about (18,000 feet). We have an indication that's not correct in the plane." A controller replied, "Stand by."
After a pause, the controller told the pilot to fly at 25,000 feet (7,620 meters). "We need to get lower," the pilot responded. "Working on that," the controller said. Controllers then cleared the plane to descend to 20,000 feet (6,096 meters), a command which the pilot acknowledged. A couple minutes later, a controller radioed the plane by its tail number: "900 Kilo November, if you hear this transmission, ident" — identify yourself. There was no response.
At 10:40 a.m., two F-16 fighter jets were scrambled from a National Guard base in South Carolina to investigate, according to a statement by the North American Aerospace Defense Command. Those jets handed off monitoring duties around 11:30 a.m. to two F-15 fighters from Homestead Air Reserve Base in Florida.
The U.S. fighter jets followed the plane until it reached Cuban airspace, when they peeled off, said Preston Schlachter, a spokesman for the North American Aerospace Defense Command & US Northern Command.
On a LiveATC recording, the fighter pilots can be heard discussing the Socata pilot's condition. "I can see his chest rising and falling right before I left," one said. "It was the first time we could see that he was actually breathing. It may be a deal where, depending on how fast they meet them, he may regain consciousness once the aircraft starts descending for fuel ..." the fighter pilot said.
The pilot was speculating that the Socata pilot was suffering from hypoxia, or oxygen deprivation, but Schlachter said the Air Force doesn't know for certain that was the case. The crash was the second in less than a week in which a private pilot has become unresponsive during a flight. On Aug. 30, a pilot lost consciousness and his plane drifted into restricted airspace over the nation's capital. Fighter jets were also launched in that case and stayed with the small aircraft until it ran out of fuel and crashed into the water.
Cases of pilots becoming unresponsive while their planes wander the sky are unusual, with probably not much more than a handful of such incidents over the last decade, said aviation safety expert John Goglia. They sometimes occur when a pilot becomes incapacitated by a heart attack or stroke, but more often the problem is insufficient cabin pressurization that causes the pilot to pass out, he said.
Mystery shrouds US couple's crash off Jamaica
_http://www.mail.com/news/us/3081980-mystery-shrouds-us-couples-crash-jamaica.html#.7518-stage-hero1-6
Saturday September 6, 2014
Jamaica Coast Guard Commander Antonette Wemyss-Gorman told a news conference Saturday afternoon that debris spotted off the coast on Friday evening could no longer be seen. "We would have to assume it may have sunk," she said.
Maj. Basil Jarrett of the Jamaica Defense Force had said earlier in the day that possible wreckage of the high-performance plane was spotted Friday evening by a military aircraft flying off the island's northeast coast, floating roughly 24 miles (38 kilometers) off the coastal town of Port Antonio.
Leroy Lindsay, director of Jamaica's civil aviation authority, said that the area where the private U.S. plane went down has depths of up to 2,000 meters (more than 6,500 feet). The Jamaican military on Friday had reported finding an oil slick in the general area where the plane vanished.
Lindsay said that once the wreckage is located, French authorities have offered to provide expertise and equipment to bring it up from the ocean depths because the airplane was French-made. The single-engine turboprop Socata TBM700 was carrying Rochester real estate developer Laurence Glazer and his entrepreneur wife, Jane — both experienced pilots. On Friday, U.S. fighter pilots were launched to shadow the unresponsive aircraft observed the pilot slumped over and its windows frosting over. Officials say the plane slammed into the sea at least 14 miles (22 kilometers) off Jamaica's northeast coastline.
In a Friday statement, the Coast Guard 7th District command center in Miami said three people were reportedly on board the plane.
A 154-foot (47-meter) U.S. Coast Guard cutter and a helicopter crew are aiding in the Saturday search off Jamaica.
The plane's pilot had indicated there was a problem and twice asked to descend to a lower altitude before permission was granted by an air traffic controller, according to a recording of the radio conversation. Radio contact with the plane was lost shortly thereafter.
Son Rick Glazer said he could not confirm his parents were killed, adding that "we know so little." But public officials offered their condolences for a couple described as a linchpin in efforts to rejuvenate an upstate New York city stung by the decline of corporate giants Kodak, Bausch & Lomb and Xerox.
"The Glazers were innovative and generous people who were committed to revitalizing downtown Rochester and making the city they loved a better place for all," Gov. Andrew Cuomo said. Laurence Glazer co-founded Buckingham Properties and served as chief executive and managing partner, working alongside two sons. Overall, the company owns more than 60 properties in the Rochester area and in central Florida.
His friend Harold Samoff said Saturday that he and Glazer got started in the real estate business in 1970 with a small apartment building, then went on to acquire and revitalize more and bigger properties on the inner-city periphery, reasoning that "just like blight can spread, improvement can spread, also." Samoff retired about a decade ago.
Glazer went on to more complex projects, such as converting former industrial properties into loft apartments and turning a shuttered hospital into offices. More recently, he bought Xerox Corp.'s Rochester tower — the city's tallest — and Bausch + Lomb's building.
Jane Glazer started QCI Direct, which produces two national retail catalogs selling household and other products. It made Rochester's Top 100 list of fastest growing privately held companies last year, according to its website.
The single-engine plane took off at 8:45 a.m. Friday from the Greater Rochester International Airport in New York en route to Naples, Florida. Air traffic controllers were last able to contact the pilot at 10 a.m., the U.S. Federal Aviation Administration said in a statement.
On a recording made by LiveATC, a website that monitors and posts air traffic control audio recordings, the pilot is heard saying, "We need to descend down to about (18,000 feet). We have an indication that's not correct in the plane." A controller replied, "Stand by."
After a pause, the controller told the pilot to fly at 25,000 feet (7,620 meters). "We need to get lower," the pilot responded. "Working on that," the controller said. Controllers then cleared the plane to descend to 20,000 feet (6,096 meters), a command which the pilot acknowledged. A couple minutes later, a controller radioed the plane by its tail number: "900 Kilo November, if you hear this transmission, ident" — identify yourself. There was no response.
At 10:40 a.m., two F-16 fighter jets were scrambled from a National Guard base in South Carolina to investigate, according to a statement by the North American Aerospace Defense Command. Those jets handed off monitoring duties around 11:30 a.m. to two F-15 fighters from Homestead Air Reserve Base in Florida.
The U.S. fighter jets followed the plane until it reached Cuban airspace, when they peeled off, said Preston Schlachter, a spokesman for the North American Aerospace Defense Command & US Northern Command.
On a LiveATC recording, the fighter pilots can be heard discussing the Socata pilot's condition. "I can see his chest rising and falling right before I left," one said. "It was the first time we could see that he was actually breathing. It may be a deal where, depending on how fast they meet them, he may regain consciousness once the aircraft starts descending for fuel ..." the fighter pilot said.
The pilot was speculating that the Socata pilot was suffering from hypoxia, or oxygen deprivation, but Schlachter said the Air Force doesn't know for certain that was the case. The crash was the second in less than a week in which a private pilot has become unresponsive during a flight. On Aug. 30, a pilot lost consciousness and his plane drifted into restricted airspace over the nation's capital. Fighter jets were also launched in that case and stayed with the small aircraft until it ran out of fuel and crashed into the water.
Cases of pilots becoming unresponsive while their planes wander the sky are unusual, with probably not much more than a handful of such incidents over the last decade, said aviation safety expert John Goglia. They sometimes occur when a pilot becomes incapacitated by a heart attack or stroke, but more often the problem is insufficient cabin pressurization that causes the pilot to pass out, he said.
lilies
The Living Force
The latest in a string of fatal incidents that have plagued airshows this summer:
30 Aug, 2015
Plane crashes at Austrian airshow, pilot killed — RT News.
_http://www.rt.com/news/313845-plane-crash-airshow-austria/
22 Aug, 2015
Military jet crashes onto highway at Shoreham Airshow, killing 7 motorists
_http://www.rt.com/news/313109-plane-crash-shoreham-airshow/
Could it be because of the accelerated planetary and density changes, the EM fields of Earth are more violently fluctuating and this causes momentary loss of or distortion in
1. balance
2. directional sense
3. depth perception
4. 3D space perception of pilots - who are EM sensitive like people sensitive to WiFi and mobile phones - so their previously perfectly working pilot-3D-senses are reporting displaced objects and they are finding harder to navigate, more specifically the pilots might find their sense of balance is unsteady. By balance I mean that specific high level pilot-3D space sensing stuff.. they are so good at so they could acrobatically fly planes in the past, when EM fluctuations were not this strong.
Metaphoric example for a fluctuating EM field:
Let a perfectly working navigational 3D sense be a candle flame burning in a still room, no draft, no wind. Notice the nice flow of the candle flame burning and equate this with perfectly working pilot senses.
Let a blasted and suddenly unsteady navigational 3D sense be a candle flame, when you blow on it. Observe, how the candle flame is disturbed violently. Imagine, what a pilot would feel if his formerly perfectly "flowing" 3D sense is blasted like that.
Could it be these pilots - possibly sensitive to EM changes - have the same perception distortion, what you have been shown on the displaced image of the object placed in a glass of water? The pilots might sense the ground or objects OFFSET
So their previously perfectly working and measuring 3D senses are LYING to them and the ground is a lot closer than their distorted senses tell them and the other plane is a lot closer too, so the airshow pilot collides with the other plane or crashes into the ground, that he falsely observes/senses/feels further away at "safe distance".
Example: works best if you are EM-sensitive
1. You thinking works fine if no strong WiFi device is operating in your vicinity or no transmitting mobile phone is pressed to your temple.
2. Your thinking is distorted, fuzzy and unclear, your head hurts, you might feel an invisible iron band crushing your skull, when a strong WiFi device is operating in your vicinity or a full-strength transmitting mobile phone is pressed to your temple.
I think pilots and birds senses are really blasted and going haywire - few moments of sense loss could be enough - nowadays and that could also contribute to why we see a lot of bird deaths and airshow deaths.
Its a disrupted navigational ability - 3D space sensing - of the sensitive bird and human brains, I speculate.
_https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetoception
30 Aug, 2015
Plane crashes at Austrian airshow, pilot killed — RT News.
_http://www.rt.com/news/313845-plane-crash-airshow-austria/
22 Aug, 2015
Military jet crashes onto highway at Shoreham Airshow, killing 7 motorists
_http://www.rt.com/news/313109-plane-crash-shoreham-airshow/
Could it be because of the accelerated planetary and density changes, the EM fields of Earth are more violently fluctuating and this causes momentary loss of or distortion in
1. balance
2. directional sense
3. depth perception
4. 3D space perception of pilots - who are EM sensitive like people sensitive to WiFi and mobile phones - so their previously perfectly working pilot-3D-senses are reporting displaced objects and they are finding harder to navigate, more specifically the pilots might find their sense of balance is unsteady. By balance I mean that specific high level pilot-3D space sensing stuff.. they are so good at so they could acrobatically fly planes in the past, when EM fluctuations were not this strong.
Metaphoric example for a fluctuating EM field:
Let a perfectly working navigational 3D sense be a candle flame burning in a still room, no draft, no wind. Notice the nice flow of the candle flame burning and equate this with perfectly working pilot senses.
Let a blasted and suddenly unsteady navigational 3D sense be a candle flame, when you blow on it. Observe, how the candle flame is disturbed violently. Imagine, what a pilot would feel if his formerly perfectly "flowing" 3D sense is blasted like that.
Could it be these pilots - possibly sensitive to EM changes - have the same perception distortion, what you have been shown on the displaced image of the object placed in a glass of water? The pilots might sense the ground or objects OFFSET
So their previously perfectly working and measuring 3D senses are LYING to them and the ground is a lot closer than their distorted senses tell them and the other plane is a lot closer too, so the airshow pilot collides with the other plane or crashes into the ground, that he falsely observes/senses/feels further away at "safe distance".
Example: works best if you are EM-sensitive
1. You thinking works fine if no strong WiFi device is operating in your vicinity or no transmitting mobile phone is pressed to your temple.
2. Your thinking is distorted, fuzzy and unclear, your head hurts, you might feel an invisible iron band crushing your skull, when a strong WiFi device is operating in your vicinity or a full-strength transmitting mobile phone is pressed to your temple.
I think pilots and birds senses are really blasted and going haywire - few moments of sense loss could be enough - nowadays and that could also contribute to why we see a lot of bird deaths and airshow deaths.
Its a disrupted navigational ability - 3D space sensing - of the sensitive bird and human brains, I speculate.
_https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetoception
Hello lilies, I think you may be onto something, as I have noticed in the Australian TV media almost every day a report of a car crashing into a house somewhere.
I'm wondering is this may be an effect of the wave, or the transitioning.
Be careful out there.
I'm wondering is this may be an effect of the wave, or the transitioning.
Be careful out there.
lilies
The Living Force
According to the preliminary report the crashed Shoreham Airshow jet was in 'good working order' and the Hawker Hunter jet “appeared to be responding to the pilot’s control inputs,” just moments before the tragedy.
_http://www.rt.com/uk/314422-shoreham-airshow-jet-report/
Eleven people were killed.
_http://www.rt.com/uk/314422-shoreham-airshow-jet-report/
Eleven people were killed.
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