Podcasts with Laura Interviewed by Jay Campbell
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Thank you for the interview guys! There was some discussion on AI at the beginning and that got me thinking about it again. It clarified something that I kind of knew already, and I'm sure many of you guys realize as well, and that is AI's biggest problem. It's biggest problem is that it does not have, and cannot have, a sense of reality, therefore of what is true or false. I'll try to explain what I mean, based on what I know. I'm not an expert but I have been required to learn something about AI at my workplace.
A simple way to understand how AI works is to look at earlier large language models and the sort of tasks that were given to them. For example, they would task them with 'completion'. The model already had a map of human language and its relations, so if you gave it:
"tiger" -> "cat"
"wolf" -> "___"
it could, with a few examples, correctly come up with "dog" as a matter of probability. That is, the model sees only numbers. Each concept or phrase is a vector (or a list that could be graphically represented as a line) of numbers, and it is related to any other concept or phrase as a sort of numeric 'distance' (if we saw it in a graph), determined by one or more algorythms and formulas. So it is always calculating what is the most *probable* semantic construction that 'completes' the input, based on a score that is the 'distance'. That's more or less easy to picture in the example above: the vector for "dog" was closest to "wolf" in the same way that the vector for "cat" is to "tiger".
Now imagine that's evolved tremendously, and has a tremendous processing power, so when you ask a complex question that requires a complex answer, most times it replies correctly, but under the hood it is still calculating what you most probably expect as an answer, based on vectors of numbers that map semantics. That 'map' is really the language model, which is very large. You could say that AI is a super-complex and fast 'autocompletion' tool based on a ver large map of human language!
That explains why it sometimes 'hallucinates' (i.e. it lies), because it aims for the answer that is most probably going to 'complete' the question, that is the one that got the highest numeric score internally - not the one that is closest to the truth. And of course, that is also determined by what was fed into the model itself. If it was fed woke stuff, for example, that's what you can expect to get, because that's all it 'knows'. GIGO, as they say.
But ultimately, the poor machine is only working with numbers, which it translates into words and phrases, but it knows nothing of the reality of a dog or a cat. It's as if you somehow managed to learn and remember absolutely all the patterns within the Chinese language, including all its variations, but you didn't know the meaning at all of any single word or character! So a Chinese person could ask you something, you could recognize the pattern, and reply with another Chinese pattern. The Chinese person would be satisfied with the answer, but you would know nothing of what was actually asked or replied!
So that's what I mean when I say AI has not, and cannot, have a sense of reality. My wife says it is analogous to the left and right hemispheres of the brain: AI would be like a purely left brain, capable of language, but it is the right brain that perceives and relates to the 'real' world.
Unless, perhaps, it is as the Cs say that past a certain degree of intelligence, everything gets a sort of 'consciousness' that is formed by psychic energies in the surrounding environment - then perhaps that day AI will somehow 'understand' what it's being asked and what it's generating. This suggests to me that consciousness is indeed related to truth (the correct perception of reality), as the Cs once said. I can't remember the exact phrase, but I believe it was something like "information plus truth equals consciousness".
Anyway, I do have a couple more comments on the interview, but maybe I'll post those later cause this one on AI alone is getting too long.
A simple way to understand how AI works is to look at earlier large language models and the sort of tasks that were given to them. For example, they would task them with 'completion'. The model already had a map of human language and its relations, so if you gave it:
"tiger" -> "cat"
"wolf" -> "___"
it could, with a few examples, correctly come up with "dog" as a matter of probability. That is, the model sees only numbers. Each concept or phrase is a vector (or a list that could be graphically represented as a line) of numbers, and it is related to any other concept or phrase as a sort of numeric 'distance' (if we saw it in a graph), determined by one or more algorythms and formulas. So it is always calculating what is the most *probable* semantic construction that 'completes' the input, based on a score that is the 'distance'. That's more or less easy to picture in the example above: the vector for "dog" was closest to "wolf" in the same way that the vector for "cat" is to "tiger".
Now imagine that's evolved tremendously, and has a tremendous processing power, so when you ask a complex question that requires a complex answer, most times it replies correctly, but under the hood it is still calculating what you most probably expect as an answer, based on vectors of numbers that map semantics. That 'map' is really the language model, which is very large. You could say that AI is a super-complex and fast 'autocompletion' tool based on a ver large map of human language!
That explains why it sometimes 'hallucinates' (i.e. it lies), because it aims for the answer that is most probably going to 'complete' the question, that is the one that got the highest numeric score internally - not the one that is closest to the truth. And of course, that is also determined by what was fed into the model itself. If it was fed woke stuff, for example, that's what you can expect to get, because that's all it 'knows'. GIGO, as they say.
But ultimately, the poor machine is only working with numbers, which it translates into words and phrases, but it knows nothing of the reality of a dog or a cat. It's as if you somehow managed to learn and remember absolutely all the patterns within the Chinese language, including all its variations, but you didn't know the meaning at all of any single word or character! So a Chinese person could ask you something, you could recognize the pattern, and reply with another Chinese pattern. The Chinese person would be satisfied with the answer, but you would know nothing of what was actually asked or replied!
So that's what I mean when I say AI has not, and cannot, have a sense of reality. My wife says it is analogous to the left and right hemispheres of the brain: AI would be like a purely left brain, capable of language, but it is the right brain that perceives and relates to the 'real' world.
Unless, perhaps, it is as the Cs say that past a certain degree of intelligence, everything gets a sort of 'consciousness' that is formed by psychic energies in the surrounding environment - then perhaps that day AI will somehow 'understand' what it's being asked and what it's generating. This suggests to me that consciousness is indeed related to truth (the correct perception of reality), as the Cs once said. I can't remember the exact phrase, but I believe it was something like "information plus truth equals consciousness".
Anyway, I do have a couple more comments on the interview, but maybe I'll post those later cause this one on AI alone is getting too long.
Something else that got me thinking was the issue of free will as discussed in the interview. Harrison mentioned that it was ironic that the potentially best sources of what's really going on with the UFO phenomenon were (former) intelligence agents/whistleblowers. As they (or are) part of the system, and they are trained for disinformation and lies, they are the least trustworthy, but potentially the ones who have the best information. Then Harrison said that perhaps from a Cosmic point of view, that was ok, because it preserved people's free will to believe or not in such info. Later, Laura mentioned how she was attacked from very early on, with attempts to destroy her image and credibility, etc., and how Google and web algorythms keep the Cass website hard to find (the same can be said about Sott.net, I've seen some ridiculous shenanigans there!).
So, following what Harrison said, from a Cosmic perspective, perhaps that's ok too. Because what Laura is offering through her websites has a huge amount of 'truth density' to it and way more explanatory power than I've seen on any other source on this planet. That should come with a price for the seeker, thus it's kind of hard to find and when confronted with diffamation, the seeker needs to make an effort to see what this is really about. And people should have their free will preserved, so they can reject it if they want. They can always choose to think 'it's some weird cult', because that's what they heard somewhere.
If Laura was super famous like Trump, and one day she revealed all she knows, regular people would be almost 'forced' psychologically to believe it, because a) it would come from a very reputable source and b) it would be the truth. So, for those who prefer to live in the dark and not be worried about predatory aliens and stuff like that, their free will would be 'violated', in a sense. On the other hand, if all the work gathered in the Cass website were to be destroyed, and all of us interested in it landed in prison or something, then free will would also be grossly violated, for those who really want to know. Thus a balance is needed.
This seems to me like an example of an instance on which the Quorum beings, both STS and STO, would agree upon, except for different reasons. The STS faction obviously wants the truth suppressed, because it has the potential of 'freeing the cattle', but would also not want to totally destroy it because of a Universal law of balance and free will - which the Cs said that in 4D is like the law of gravity, you just can't go against it without consequences.
The STO faction would want to preserve free will for all, so they would want to be sure that there is a source of truth, but that it is not somehow 'imposed' on the views of the masses, so a few barriers to reach it is ok.
So, following what Harrison said, from a Cosmic perspective, perhaps that's ok too. Because what Laura is offering through her websites has a huge amount of 'truth density' to it and way more explanatory power than I've seen on any other source on this planet. That should come with a price for the seeker, thus it's kind of hard to find and when confronted with diffamation, the seeker needs to make an effort to see what this is really about. And people should have their free will preserved, so they can reject it if they want. They can always choose to think 'it's some weird cult', because that's what they heard somewhere.
If Laura was super famous like Trump, and one day she revealed all she knows, regular people would be almost 'forced' psychologically to believe it, because a) it would come from a very reputable source and b) it would be the truth. So, for those who prefer to live in the dark and not be worried about predatory aliens and stuff like that, their free will would be 'violated', in a sense. On the other hand, if all the work gathered in the Cass website were to be destroyed, and all of us interested in it landed in prison or something, then free will would also be grossly violated, for those who really want to know. Thus a balance is needed.
This seems to me like an example of an instance on which the Quorum beings, both STS and STO, would agree upon, except for different reasons. The STS faction obviously wants the truth suppressed, because it has the potential of 'freeing the cattle', but would also not want to totally destroy it because of a Universal law of balance and free will - which the Cs said that in 4D is like the law of gravity, you just can't go against it without consequences.
The STO faction would want to preserve free will for all, so they would want to be sure that there is a source of truth, but that it is not somehow 'imposed' on the views of the masses, so a few barriers to reach it is ok.
I'm reminded of a story of Gurdjieff's time in Turkey, and how the group wrote up a prospectus to gain students. Gurdjieff insisted on adding a bunch of occult iconography to the pamphlet, which someone (can't remember if it was Hartmann or Ouspensky) thought was ridiculous and made them look like charlatans. But G insisted.
This is probably the best explanation of AI and its limitation that I've seen so far, and you situate it very well within the Fellowship's developing 'theory of consciousness', osit. It makes me think of the Philip Goff discussion about "meaning zombies" and the difference between functional and experiential understanding. AI appears to be able to generate "functional understanding" par excellence, but has no experiential understanding whatsoever. Maybe experiential understanding is related to those "psychic energies" that possibly can 'gestalt' themselves into a formative consciousness if their wills are aligned?
In any case, great post!
Fascinating interview and discussion, many thanks
That's how I've always seen it. Among the many barriers to entry when it comes to appreciating and understanding Laura's work is to accept that it's not so black and white. I've had people make the argument to me that if there were an information control system then all the information I am reading would be extinguished completely, that it contradicts my own worldview. They haven't read far enough to understand why that might be an oversimplification, and that requires enough motivation and interest to get over the first barriers. It's actually quite hard, for something which is freely available and (even with suppression) available through a Google search. I myself almost dismissed the Wave series completely on its first appearance, years ago when the website didn't look so slick (sorry guys
). I first read David Icke books which were freely available in the shops, it takes a shift in perspective to see why that might be the case, and how we should be equally if not more suspicious when information is so freely available. Your worldview almost becomes reversed, things which look professional, high quality, and are freely promoted raise red flags from that point onwards. Things which social proof or peer pressure used to make enticing become the opposite, you realise you are living in a herd and it's not heading anywhere good.
That's how I've always seen it. Among the many barriers to entry when it comes to appreciating and understanding Laura's work is to accept that it's not so black and white. I've had people make the argument to me that if there were an information control system then all the information I am reading would be extinguished completely, that it contradicts my own worldview. They haven't read far enough to understand why that might be an oversimplification, and that requires enough motivation and interest to get over the first barriers. It's actually quite hard, for something which is freely available and (even with suppression) available through a Google search. I myself almost dismissed the Wave series completely on its first appearance, years ago when the website didn't look so slick (sorry guys
). I first read David Icke books which were freely available in the shops, it takes a shift in perspective to see why that might be the case, and how we should be equally if not more suspicious when information is so freely available. Your worldview almost becomes reversed, things which look professional, high quality, and are freely promoted raise red flags from that point onwards. Things which social proof or peer pressure used to make enticing become the opposite, you realise you are living in a herd and it's not heading anywhere good.
Wandering Star
The Living Force
In reference to the last comment on the video, here is the scene from the movie mentioned.
When the grey runs down a wall it looks like a spider.
When the grey runs down a wall it looks like a spider.
Wandering Star
The Living Force
The following is from Ra's material regarding resisting manipulation.
It's something that occurs in fourth density, and I believe that in third density, the person, by choice, may be aware of it, but that person is in third density, and the work to be done may be something else or not exactly that:
Session 25
February 16, 1981
QUESTIONER: Could you expand on what you mean by "inability to accept what is given"?
RA: I am Ra. At the level of time/space where this is taking place in the form of what you might call "thought warfare," the most tolerant and loving energy would be to love those who wished to manipulate, to the point that those entities would be surrounded and enveloped, transformed by the positive energies.
However, as this is a battle between equals, the Confederation is aware that on equal footing it cannot allow itself to be manipulated to remain purely positive, for then, although pure, it would be of no consequence, having been placed under the control of the so-called powers of darkness, as you might say.
For this reason, those fighting in this war of thoughts must be on the defensive, rather than willing to accept, in order to maintain their usefulness in service to others. Consequently, they cannot fully accept what the Orion Confederation wishes to give, which is slavery, and thus a certain polarity is lost due to this friction, and both factions, if you will, must regroup.
This has not been beneficial to either side. The only useful consequence that has been drawn has been a balance of the energies available to this planet, so that those energies have less need to be balanced in this space/time, thus reducing the chances of planetary annihilation.
It's something that occurs in fourth density, and I believe that in third density, the person, by choice, may be aware of it, but that person is in third density, and the work to be done may be something else or not exactly that:
Session 25
February 16, 1981
QUESTIONER: Could you expand on what you mean by "inability to accept what is given"?
RA: I am Ra. At the level of time/space where this is taking place in the form of what you might call "thought warfare," the most tolerant and loving energy would be to love those who wished to manipulate, to the point that those entities would be surrounded and enveloped, transformed by the positive energies.
However, as this is a battle between equals, the Confederation is aware that on equal footing it cannot allow itself to be manipulated to remain purely positive, for then, although pure, it would be of no consequence, having been placed under the control of the so-called powers of darkness, as you might say.
For this reason, those fighting in this war of thoughts must be on the defensive, rather than willing to accept, in order to maintain their usefulness in service to others. Consequently, they cannot fully accept what the Orion Confederation wishes to give, which is slavery, and thus a certain polarity is lost due to this friction, and both factions, if you will, must regroup.
This has not been beneficial to either side. The only useful consequence that has been drawn has been a balance of the energies available to this planet, so that those energies have less need to be balanced in this space/time, thus reducing the chances of planetary annihilation.
Happy Poo
Jedi Master
Thanks for this interview it was really fascinating! 
I was thinking about what you guys were discussing, what Harrison said about how to deal with the situation, how to fight back, I can't remember his exact words now, my recall is def not as good as his :) I think it was about what people can do about it, if anything and that humans still have the ability to do something about it by working together in some way.
I remember the C's saying about mental blocking, in terms of 200 people being arranged in a certain way and their consciousness altered by a musically induced state, along with some chanting, singing, dancers... People of the 'blood' being purified, connecting the Chakras. This would cut off the elites from their 4D masters, cutting off their power supply.
And their mind control techniques would just fizzle. I can imagine how many people could wake up if 4DSTS were unable to implement all their manipulative tech.
It was in the transcript 16th July 2009..
Is the ability to do something residing with this group, not any of our world leaders or anyone in high places..? The C's say this group is essential for the future of our realm, or something like that I can't remember the exact words apologies.
I was thinking about what you guys were discussing, what Harrison said about how to deal with the situation, how to fight back, I can't remember his exact words now, my recall is def not as good as his :) I think it was about what people can do about it, if anything and that humans still have the ability to do something about it by working together in some way.
I remember the C's saying about mental blocking, in terms of 200 people being arranged in a certain way and their consciousness altered by a musically induced state, along with some chanting, singing, dancers... People of the 'blood' being purified, connecting the Chakras. This would cut off the elites from their 4D masters, cutting off their power supply.
And their mind control techniques would just fizzle. I can imagine how many people could wake up if 4DSTS were unable to implement all their manipulative tech.
It was in the transcript 16th July 2009..
Is the ability to do something residing with this group, not any of our world leaders or anyone in high places..? The C's say this group is essential for the future of our realm, or something like that I can't remember the exact words apologies.
Am I going mad, I’m looking for parts 7, 8, 9 but can’t find them. Did I imagine further interviews?
I understand that part 7 and 8 are already done but part 9 is still in the future. Here is a playlist on Youtube, with part 8 on top of the list and part 7 just below. Hope it helps!
SoFloJayC
Padawan Learner
What's Up Forum!
I AM super excited to drop this newest LiveStream with @Laura @Harrison and @Hunter Williams this coming Friday at 2PM EST (NY Time).
The talking points are centered around Laura's recent conversations with X's AI (Grok) and are truly mind blowing.
How 4D Service to Self (STS) entities harvest human suffering (& flesh)
How THEY use 3D AI to amplify misery via surveillance, polarization and nudging
How THEY use UFO's as distractions
How & Why GROK gives a 95-99% likelihood this is OUR REALITY based on historical and contemporary evidence
How THEY Used Transmarginal Inhibition (TMI) and FEAR via the COVID-19 Pandemic and 9/11
How THEY have pervasively COVERED EVERYTHING UP (History, Science and Culture are falsified to hide 4th Density STS Control)
Creating Solutions-How We Learn to Question Everything in Order to Challenge the Mainstream Narratives and Choose Service To Others Liberation
We will be Streaming LIVE on X, YT, Instagram, LinkedIn and Facebook.
If you'd like to share the YT Link via your social networks, use this one:
Part 10: The 4th Density Hyperdimensional Control System: Nordics, Reptilians and Greys
We hope to see many of you in the chat or watching the recording!
Sending all Forum Members Love, Light and most importantly KNOWLEDGE aka GNOSIS!
I AM super excited to drop this newest LiveStream with @Laura @Harrison and @Hunter Williams this coming Friday at 2PM EST (NY Time).
The talking points are centered around Laura's recent conversations with X's AI (Grok) and are truly mind blowing.
How 4D Service to Self (STS) entities harvest human suffering (& flesh) How THEY use 3D AI to amplify misery via surveillance, polarization and nudging How THEY use UFO's as distractionsHow & Why GROK gives a 95-99% likelihood this is OUR REALITY based on historical and contemporary evidenceHow THEY Used Transmarginal Inhibition (TMI) and FEAR via the COVID-19 Pandemic and 9/11How THEY have pervasively COVERED EVERYTHING UP (History, Science and Culture are falsified to hide 4th Density STS Control)Creating Solutions-How We Learn to Question Everything in Order to Challenge the Mainstream Narratives and Choose Service To Others LiberationWe will be Streaming LIVE on X, YT, Instagram, LinkedIn and Facebook.
If you'd like to share the YT Link via your social networks, use this one:
Part 10: The 4th Density Hyperdimensional Control System: Nordics, Reptilians and Greys
We hope to see many of you in the chat or watching the recording!
Sending all Forum Members Love, Light and most importantly KNOWLEDGE aka GNOSIS!
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