Poland-Poland war - polish presidential election 2025

[Elisasheva]

If any of you leave Poland, you will find yourselves in the same situation as Ukrainians: pariahs in a foreign country, without a home to return to. Hated, despised, and alone. You will be watching from afar as Poland is being divided between other countries, some proclaiming to be friends, and disappears from the map, just like it did in the past.

You will live the rest of your lives in regret, wondering if perhaps things could have changed if you didn't let yourself be guided by fear. And there will be many of you, wondering the same thing.

Or you can do the unthinkable and stay to prevent history from repeating itself. Break free from the cycle of fatality and helplessness, or keep running away forever.

The question is - what can we actually do? There's nothing, to be fair. We can observe either from here or from a distance, but just observe. People like Maciak will be really heard by about 1% of the society.

 

[karo]

The question is - what can we actually do? There's nothing, to be fair. We can observe either from here or from a distance, but just observe. People like Maciak will be really heard by about 1% of the society.

I was really surprised to see, under the YouTube transmission of Radio's Zet interview with Maciak, comments from people saying that e.g. they didn't know Maciak, but now he has their vote, or that they were to vote for someone else but this interview changed their opinion and they switched to Maciak instead :)

Also there was a poll, I think on wybory eu webpage, and I have a screenshot of Maciak being in second place with 25% of votes. But since RDiP (Wealth and Peace Movement, an initiative started by Maciak and his followers, for those of you not from Poland :)) started asking people to vote on Maciak in this poll, it was restarted few times, showed that Maciak's name is a mistake, or page started to be unreachable etc. so probably there is some meddling going on with this, but I'm not surprised or shocked of anything anymore :D

Only two weeks left for round one of presidential election in Poland, so we will know something soon. I wonder what the directives will be given to people from PiS or PO working in election commission, if any of course ;) because they may try meddling like in U.S. election, or anywhere else actually.

 

[Elisasheva]

I was really surprised to see, under the YouTube transmission of Radio's Zet interview with Maciak, comments from people saying that e.g. they didn't know Maciak, but now he has their vote, or that they were to vote for someone else but this interview changed their opinion and they switched to Maciak instead :)

Also there was a poll, I think on wybory eu webpage, and I have a screenshot of Maciak being in second place with 25% of votes. But since RDiP (Wealth and Peace Movement, an initiative started by Maciak and his followers, for those of you not from Poland :)) started asking people to vote on Maciak in this poll, it was restarted few times, showed that Maciak's name is a mistake, or page started to be unreachable etc. so probably there is some meddling going on with this, but I'm not surprised or shocked of anything anymore :D

Only two weeks left for round one of presidential election in Poland, so we will know something soon. I wonder what the directives will be given to people from PiS or PO working in election commission, if any of course ;) because they may try meddling like in U.S. election, or anywhere else actually.

Unfortunately I think that most comments are written by Maciak's followers. See the most recent ones, written by people who heard of Maciak and checked him out. Most of them say that he is a Russian/Chinese propagandist and trash him for wanting to "demilitarize" Poland. And that he is a mad man.

Maciak thought that if he expresses his ideas to a broader audience people would understand them and support him, but imo he was mistaken unfortunately. Most people in Poland do not want to have anything to do with Russia or China, they want to build strong army and are convinced that Russia wants to sabotage and influence our politics. So I wouldn't be that optimistic.

 

[KJS]

well I'm thinking about leaving Poland very intensively myself.

As an alternative idea, you can consider participating in building a parallel society in Poland. There's an interesting movement called Braterstwa Ludzi Wolnych, which focuses on self-sufficiency and local communities that might be of interest to you. At this point, I feel that there is nothing that can be done regarding politics other than accepting that it is doomed to fail, and probably must be this way for collective learning. There's a very good quote about the spirit of the Polish nation:

"(...) Reality is mirror-like, and according to this principle, it's no coincidence that Poland is governed by specific individuals. Of course, as I mentioned above, I believe there are certain forces that arrange the scenery and manipulate people into specific behaviors and choices. However, the final decisions lie with the executors - us, the people at the foundation of the pyramid. The ruling class is a mirror reflection of the resultant spirit of our society. I used to think differently (evil globalists installed traitors here and the poor, good Polish nation has no say), but that belief changed when my friend (a declared patriot and great anti-establishment figure wanting to change the world) got a regular job and boasted to me about stealing work gloves and other tools from his workplace... I realized that if such a person got into government, he would do the same thing, and if today we were to remove those 460 people from parliament and replace them with 460 random citizens, we would quickly find ourselves back at square one."

Regarding Maciak, he is probably under a lot of stress lately, but consider that he might not be a good role model and could have quite a narcissistic personality:

 

[Elisasheva]

As an alternative idea, you can consider participating in building a parallel society in Poland. There's an interesting movement called Braterstwa Ludzi Wolnych, which focuses on self-sufficiency and local communities that might be of interest to you. At this point, I feel that there is nothing that can be done regarding politics other than accepting that it is doomed to fail, and probably must be this way for collective learning. There's a very good quote about the spirit of the Polish nation:

"(...) Reality is mirror-like, and according to this principle, it's no coincidence that Poland is governed by specific individuals. Of course, as I mentioned above, I believe there are certain forces that arrange the scenery and manipulate people into specific behaviors and choices. However, the final decisions lie with the executors - us, the people at the foundation of the pyramid. The ruling class is a mirror reflection of the resultant spirit of our society. I used to think differently (evil globalists installed traitors here and the poor, good Polish nation has no say), but that belief changed when my friend (a declared patriot and great anti-establishment figure wanting to change the world) got a regular job and boasted to me about stealing work gloves and other tools from his workplace... I realized that if such a person got into government, he would do the same thing, and if today we were to remove those 460 people from parliament and replace them with 460 random citizens, we would quickly find ourselves back at square one."

Regarding Maciak, he is probably under a lot of stress lately, but consider that he might not be a good role model and could have quite a narcissistic personality:

Yeah I've seen it as well as Maciak's episode he's referring to - and when I heard those personal remarks I was like "why are you attacking someone personally by mocking their looks?!". That was low of him, same with words towards Braun that "if he defends him once again he'll regret it". He definitely takes a lot of things personally and he's not helping his campaign that way at all. He should be more careful about what he says.

That guy Uszi is not a saint himself-he attacked him first and Maciak was partially right about the license conditions, though not entirely. I asked chat, and it answered that not letting him in when he was already there could violate the principles of pluralism, reliability, and impartiality, but ultimately the decision is up to the National Broadcasting Council (KRRiT). So it depends on interpretation, but they didn’t directly break the law.

Besides that, Uszi also responded poorly to the situation with Stanowski, effectively taking his side. He’s also russophobic and laughed at what Maciak said after, mocked him, plus those caricatures are in really poor taste. So that's just a quarrel of two bitter youtubers imo...

I accept the fact that Maciak is not perfect, and this situation only highlighted that. It’s just that those polite and nice people have been wrecking our country for years. There’s not much choice here.

 

[Elisasheva]

Maciak’s candidacy was once again overlooked and excluded: his campaign team was not invited to the campaign teams’ debate on the major TV station Polsat, and the journalist’s justification was as follows: “If someone wants to listen to him, they can just turn on Russia Today,” explained Polsat News’ head of news, Piotr Witwicki.

Jeden komitet celowo nie dostał zaproszenia na debatę. Organizator wyjaśnia

Na poniedziałkowej debacie stacji Polsat News pojawią się przedstawiciele sztabów wyborczych kandydatów na prezydenta Polski. Jak się okazuje, nie wszyscy jednak zostali zaproszeni. W debacie nie weźmie udział przedstawiciel komitetu Macieja Maciaka. — Jeżeli ktoś chce [go] posłuchać, to niech...

wiadomosci.onet.pl

 

[Elisasheva]

As an alternative idea, you can consider participating in building a parallel society in Poland. There's an interesting movement called Braterstwa Ludzi Wolnych, which focuses on self-sufficiency and local communities that might be of interest to you. At this point, I feel that there is nothing that can be done regarding politics other than accepting that it is doomed to fail, and probably must be this way for collective learning. There's a very good quote about the spirit of the Polish nation:

"(...) Reality is mirror-like, and according to this principle, it's no coincidence that Poland is governed by specific individuals. Of course, as I mentioned above, I believe there are certain forces that arrange the scenery and manipulate people into specific behaviors and choices. However, the final decisions lie with the executors - us, the people at the foundation of the pyramid. The ruling class is a mirror reflection of the resultant spirit of our society. I used to think differently (evil globalists installed traitors here and the poor, good Polish nation has no say), but that belief changed when my friend (a declared patriot and great anti-establishment figure wanting to change the world) got a regular job and boasted to me about stealing work gloves and other tools from his workplace... I realized that if such a person got into government, he would do the same thing, and if today we were to remove those 460 people from parliament and replace them with 460 random citizens, we would quickly find ourselves back at square one."

I forgot to address this part. I've heard of Bractwo and that's a very interesting movement, my dad even contacted them and talked to them to be part of it

The quote is very accurate, but not all people are like that. Most of those who go into politics do it precisely to secure themselves for life, steal, and engage in lobbying. People fall for their nice speeches and pleasant behavior, and then recordings come out, like for example Tusk saying that Poles should work for a bowl of rice.

 

[taratai]

The question is - what can we actually do? There's nothing, to be fair. We can observe either from here or from a distance, but just observe. People like Maciak will be really heard by about 1% of the society.

If you put it that way, then there is definitely nothing we can do. Indeed, why even try? Why not leave?
People aren't going to change their minds, why care about it? There are better countries out there. And all countries are just a set of arbitrary rules and institutions anyway, all cultures are just made up, the land is just a land. Why fight for any of it?

Maybe Klaus Schwab was right? Become a Citizen Of The World, being able to fit anywhere, and belonging nowhere. Own nothing and be happy. Simply exist.

These are the words of the snake, slowly coiling around humanity, lulling it into peaceful sleep. Your own thoughts are used against you. You are just one against many, and you have no power. You can't do anything anyway. There's no need to try too hard. So sit down, and enjoy the show. Why do you care? These are just bodies anyway.
And as everyone listens to the venomous snake, as everyone takes off responsibility of themselves for their fate, everything slowly fades into entropy and dissolves into primal mass. The snake is hungry no more.

How do you want to break free, if you already gave up on trying? How does anyone plan to survive 4D, while giving up so quickly in 3D?
People were supposed to start looking at unlimited possibilities, yet you are still willingly limiting yourselves.

Why clean up the glass on the street if there will be always someone to break a bottle?
Why oppose psychopaths if you will only get attacked for that?
Why do good when there will always be people that do bad?

You pick the glass so someone does not walk onto it.
You oppose psychopaths so they don't get to reign supreme.
You do good because otherwise nobody else will.

Everything that people do has consequences. Every action and inaction causes the world to change. The right man in the wrong place can make all the difference in the world. Who knows, maybe it will be you.
Stop waiting for others to do what needs to be done. Stop expecting the world to abide to your whims. Clueless people will remain clueless, followers gonna follow. Why does it matter to you what everyone else does?

Do the right thing, even if it means you'll be the last person on the planet to do so. Even if it means simply staying where you are, when everyone is expecting you to move.
Then, you can sit down and enjoy the show. Whatever happens, these are just bodies anyway.

 

[Kadam303]

everybody i speak to are brain dead... no logic, no looking forwards, no tactic.

propaganda is so effective that only death can end it.
i am just catching my self either exploding while trying to reason or exploding. It is a good exercise to self remember but very difficult.

i noticed that even if i manage to deliver to someone some evidence, like CIA docs, then i confirm with what is happening, its enough for weekend to pass and we are starting from ZERO. anybody have similar impressions?
it's like the cookies are being deleted and all knowledge , facts are erased.

 

[axj]

If any of you leave Poland, you will find yourselves in the same situation as Ukrainians: pariahs in a foreign country, without a home to return to. Hated, despised, and alone. You will be watching from afar as Poland is being divided between other countries, some proclaiming to be friends, and disappears from the map, just like it did in the past.

You will live the rest of your lives in regret, wondering if perhaps things could have changed if you didn't let yourself be guided by fear. And there will be many of you, wondering the same thing.

Or you can do the unthinkable and stay to prevent history from repeating itself. Break free from the cycle of fatality and helplessness, or keep running away forever.

I think that is not at all true. If your intuition tells you to move somewhere else (not out of fear), then it is the right thing for you personally. Laura and Ark were also guided to move away from the US.

 

[of_unknown_origin]

Just an addition from your neighboring country Czechia - it's basically the same. Same patterns, same insanity, same hatred, same self-harm, the same turning of everything upside down, same destruction of society and cohesion.

Our mainstream in 2020-2022 was just "Covid bad, Covid scary, vacciness good, unvaccinated evil - attack them, Covid bad, Covid scary, attack unvaccinated...etc."

In 2022, it literally changed in few hours from the "worst plague in human history" to "Putin bad". Covid disappeared and new script starter absolutely everywhere.

"Russia bad, Putin extremely evil, Ukraine absolutely innocent victim, Putin bad, anti-war people evil, killing Russians good (often spelled "ruSSáci" as Russian are "SS nazis" now in the minds of zombies ), Putin very bad, we need more money to fight evil Putin, anti-war people are Putin's spies and you have to hate them, war is good, nuclear war is safe don't worry, killing Russians good, Russia evil, Putin evil, attack anti-war people, anyone can be Putin's spy....did we mention Putin evil?" They also constantly attack the only semi-opposion we have in parliament - Tomio Okamura, who is half Japanese and they constantly attack him for it in the most racist way while labeling him and everyone who don't care about race as racist.

The "better people" even came with new word for "dumb village people" who want peace and cooperation and good life for children - they labeled us "chcimírové" ("want-peace people"). Mainstream zombies use this word as ultimate insult... Imagine world, where people who want to end war and live in peace, freedom and harmony are considered evil. And the mainstream present as great and nice people those who are happy every time some Russian (or Palestinian) civilians or kids are killed or celebrate when the corrupt judges violate Constitution yet again and sanction someone for saying what's actually happening.

I myself am just simple blogger, unimportant person who just wants to spread truth as much as possible (in funny and ideally friendly manner). And I, basically nobody, was investigated by the police directly at the request of our new Gestapo Interior Minister (who himself is connected to 5 murders already). The biggest Czech media made a smear campaign about me so now many people know me only as "Russian disinformation swine manipulating poor old people". And many other nonsensical annoyances have happened to me, many people hysterically hate me to death now and refuse to even say hello to me (although I would say I am quite a friendly person and everyone used to talk to me normally).

That's Czech republic for you now Still more or less nice on the surface, pretty rotten under the hood. I myself am shifting a bit from the role of public truth-seeker to that of observer...

(p.s.not everything is bad - the number of "red-pilled" people exploded during Covid and the war madness, as everywhere)

 

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