Ponerology and logos

[Pierrebxl]

Ok, if i understand well, you are able to "see what i see", like describing the shapes in the clouds, but in fact it is just clouds... in fact it's subjective and there are hundreds of way of seeing them and it is well beyond a stretch of imagination to presume that they are imbued with evil. Your quote is spot on Jeep.

That's interesting because i really thought that everybody would say: "yeah, you're right, i agree with you", like i've made some sort of great discovery. The "i am special" program was probably running.

Thank you very much for telling me what you think and what you see guys.

 

[JEEP]

Actually, Pierre, I was being sarcastic with my final comment. I feel the quoted material contains many valid points in that logos aren't necessarily imbued with evil and that it is silly to 'see' something sinister in every graphic design. But, we know we live in a world controlled by psychopaths and it could very well be that some symbols aren't just an artistic expression representing the namesake of a manufacturer or corporation. Is the joke on us that we are surrounded by a myriad of symbols whose ancient meanings are unknown to the vast majority of us. Certainly, the masonic symbols on the dollar bill are a case in point. Somewhere along the way, I've gotten the impression that by having all these symbols out in plain sight, uncontested, we are giving permission for our free will to be violated. I can't even say where or how I got that notion, but wonder if there is any validity to it. Masonic symbolism is a deep subject of which I know little. I'm reading a webpage now that says it's all about worship of the sun god/phallus (the sun's penetrating rays of the earth/female):

Since the true meaning of Masonic symbols (and thus, the true meaning of Masonry itself) is to be known only by the Prince Adepts of Masonry, we must hear what they say concerning them. They (Albert Pike, Albert Mackey, J. D. Buck, Daniel Sickles and others) teach that Masonry is a revival of the Ancient Mysteries (the mystery religions of Babylon, Egypt, Persia, Rome and Greece).

These Ancient religions had two meanings, or interpretations. One was the apparent (exoteric) meaning, known to the uninitiated, ignorant masses; the other (esoteric) meaning was the true meaning, entirely different, known only to a small, elite group, initiated into their secrets and secret rituals of worship. These mystery religions were forms of nature-worship, more specifically and most commonly the worship of the Sun as source and giver of life to the Earth. Since Ancient times, this worship of the Sun (and of the Moon, stars and of nature in general) has been sexual in its outworkings and rituals. Since the Sun’s rays, penetrating the Earth and bringing about new life, have been central to such worship, the phallus, the male ‘generative principle,’ has been worshipped and the rituals climaxed with sexual union in the mystery religions of Isis and Osiris, Tammuz, Baal, etc. (1) In summary, then, since the Ancient Mysteries (especially those of Egypt) are in fact the Old Religion of which Freemasonry is a revival, the symbols of Masonry should be expected to be phallic in true meaning. This, in very fact, is the case. A thorough treatment of this unpleasant reality is beyond the scope of this brief summary; however, some examples, with references to the Masonic authorities, will suffice to illustrate this astonishing fact.

Needless to say, I can never look at the Washington monument in the same way ever again (an awareness I had before reading the above). Maybe John Ashcroft should have put a drape on that!

 

[Pierrebxl]

Wow ok Jeep, i see your point now. i didn't understand you at first. I get it now.

"But, we know we live in a world controlled by psychopaths and it could very well be that some symbols aren't just an artistic expression representing the namesake of a manufacturer or corporation."

That's what i thought in my original post and especially for that car company since the birth of that company is directly linked to Hitler.

http://www.volkswagenspares.com/page.php?page=history

The years 1930

Literally, the word "volkswagen" means "people's car." In Germany, the idea of a people's car wasn't exactly a new one. Before the 1930's, there had been many efforts to create simple cars that everyone could afford, but none met with profound success. Almost all cars before 1930, even if they were designed to be simple enough for the average person, ended up costing more than the average worker's yearly wage.

Meanwhile, the year is 1930, and Ferdinand Porsche had just set up an automotive design company, which became known as the Porsche Büro. The company patented a sophisticated independent front suspension system, which consisted of transversely mounted torsion bars connected to two trailing arms on each side. At the time, this was lighter than most other common types of suspension. In 1931, a German motorcycle company, Zündapp, asked Porsche if he could design a suitable car for them. Porsche came up with a streamlined 2 door sedan, which had lines similar to the Beetle. It was designated the Type 12. Zündapp wanted to put in a 1.2 liter radial engine from one of their motorcycles...this was the end of the line for this design, as it didn't make it any further.

Porsche then designed a car for NSU in 1933 that was known as the Type 32. This car looked even more similar to the upcoming KdF Wagen than the Type 12 did. This car looked similar to the Tatra V570, and shared many mechanical similarities. After World War II, the Volkswagen company paid Tatra for compensation, since Tatra believed its technology and design was pirated in development of the KdF Wagen. Eventaully, NSU dropped the Type 32 project.

Later in 1933, Adolf Hitler met with Ferdinand Porsche to discuss Hitler's idea of a volkswagen. Hitler proposed a people's car that could carry 5 people, cruise up to 62mph, return 33mpg, and cost only 1000 Reich Marks. This was an opportunity for Porsche to push his idea of a small car foward, as was it to help Hitler get a real people's car for the citizens of Germany.

Initially, Porsche designated this design the Type 60, but it was soon changed to the V1 (experimental 1). Hitler also proposed to have a convertible version produced: it was designated V2. Porsche was not able to make the deadline to finish the first two prototypes, as there was not enough time to physically design the cars and to built them. In any case, they were completed and driving by 1935. Soon, the V1 design was updated, and three cars were produced. This new design was the VW3. These cars were put through rigorous testing in 1936.

"Since Ancient times, this worship of the Sun (and of the Moon, stars and of nature in general) has been sexual in its outworkings and rituals. Since the Sun’s rays, penetrating the Earth and bringing about new life, have been central to such worship, the phallus, the male ‘generative principle,’ has been worshipped and the rituals climaxed with sexual union in the mystery religions of Isis and Osiris, Tammuz, Baal, etc. (1) In summary, then, since the Ancient Mysteries (especially those of Egypt) are in fact the Old Religion of which Freemasonry is a revival, the symbols of Masonry should be expected to be phallic in true meaning. This, in very fact, is the case."

Yes and about the analogy between the Washington monument and a phallus, here is the belgian Police logo:

At first, there's a flame of course. But by reversing the colors, a male sex without erection appears. Belgian people have got a lot of humor and the sexual center is the dominant force in pre-adamic people and the police is often a source of mockery. In french, the logo could say: "la police, c'est des couilles molles" (sorry, it's a bit rude)
So again, maybe that's just my imagination but if it's true, all the Police staff have got this logo on their uniforms, their vehicles, everywhere... i'm sure Psychopaths/Narcissists could easily and secretly laugh with something like that.

"Is the joke on us that we are surrounded by a myriad of symbols whose ancient meanings are unknown to the vast majority of us."

"I've gotten the impression that by having all these symbols out in plain sight, uncontested, we are giving permission for our free will to be violated."

And i think psychopaths take a real pleasure knowing that they are symbols in plain sight that nobody understands except them. I'm sure they are thrillled by it.

 

[Eboard10]

One of the most famous logos in the World and its hidden meaning!

The symbol actually represents the Rings of Saturn. Saturn is a Planet that is worshipped by the elite occult (Saturn representing the masculine aspect of "the Devil" while Venus is the feminine side). Also notice Nike's slogan "Just Do It" which is very reminiscent of Aleister Crowley's "Do What Thou Wilt"!

 

[henry]

Eboard10, what is the source for this information? It helps to keep the noise down if statements like this can be referenced so we can follow up on the research.

 

[Eboard10]

Eboard10, what is the source for this information? It helps to keep the noise down if statements like this can be referenced so we can follow up on the research.

Hi Galahad,

The Nike black check (black: Saturn's Colour --> Black Cube) representing the Rings of Saturn is something that becomes obvious when reading books on occult symbolism and pagan worship. This is but one of the many logos that represent the Roman God Saturn. You would be surprised to know that nearly all internationally known logos (and not just some) have esoteric meanings behind them. Another example which might not be too obvious:

Look carefully at the first "o". There's a white "stripe" just next to it representing the rings.

I can't remember exactly where I read about the connection to Aliester Crowley, but will definitely post the source if I can find it.
You might want to have a look on the internet for the relation between the Planet Saturn and the occult.
Just an example: _http://vigilantcitizen.com/?p=809 & _http://vigilantcitizen.com/?p=863

 

[vinny]

I think it's not so surprising that various symbology emerges in corporate and governmental icons and logos. There's probably a couple of different things going on here.
Firstly, there are those in the higher eschelons of power and influence who are fascinated with power, and this includes elements of the occult, numerology etc, and they like to 'brag' about it, to put it in plain view (such as the eye of horus etc on the dollar bill), as it forms part of that particular pathological mindset.
But then, also, much of this symbology filters down into popular society, losing any real significance, but simply existing as a kind of shallow vocabulary of meaningless throwaway 'cool' symbology that floats around in the 'popular culture' ether, such as all the rock stars who like doing the 'devil's horns' symbol with their fingers, just because it's 'cool'...
So then when a particular symbol (serpents etc) or numerology (666) pops up, it is difficult to tell whether it has any real meaning, or whether someone is just trying to be 'funky'.

 

[ScioAgapeOmnis]

Dodge Viper logo is an upside-down Daffy Duck. Coincidence? I think not!

Reference:

 

[Eboard10]

I think it's not so surprising that various symbology emerges in corporate and governmental icons and logos. There's probably a couple of different things going on here.
Firstly, there are those in the higher eschelons of power and influence who are fascinated with power, and this includes elements of the occult, numerology etc, and they like to 'brag' about it, to put it in plain view (such as the eye of horus etc on the dollar bill), as it forms part of that particular pathological mindset.
But then, also, much of this symbology filters down into popular society, losing any real significance, but simply existing as a kind of shallow vocabulary of meaningless throwaway 'cool' symbology that floats around in the 'popular culture' ether, such as all the rock stars who like doing the 'devil's horns' symbol with their fingers, just because it's 'cool'...
So then when a particular symbol (serpents etc) or numerology (666) pops up, it is difficult to tell whether it has any real meaning, or whether someone is just trying to be 'funky'.

Hi Nomad, you are right in saying that all this symbolism loses it's real significance when filtered down and interpreted by the people. But I also agree that the "higher" echelons of power aren't really aware of the true meaning behind these symbols (because they aren't that high in the echelon anyway). The ones designing the logos are usually involved in societies such as the Masons, Rosicrucians etc. and are brainwashed by all this esoteric symbolism that they have to worship in their lodges. However, these symbols have many meanings which vary according to the level of knowledge and understanding of the Universe that one has. Although the people designing it only see it as some fancy drawing that fascinates them, they don't realize that there is much more to it. Please bear in mind that all the esoteric and occult traditions are the remnants of the knowledge & technology of the Atlantean Civilization. However, only at the highest levels of the Elite is the true meaning understood (and used).

 

[anart]

The Nike black check (black: Saturn's Colour --> Black Cube) representing the Rings of Saturn is something that becomes obvious when reading books on occult symbolism and pagan worship. This is but one of the many logos that represent the Roman God Saturn. You would be surprised to know that nearly all internationally known logos (and not just some) have esoteric meanings behind them. Another example which might not be too obvious:

Look carefully at the first "o". There's a white "stripe" just next to it representing the rings.

Hi Eboard10, you have a tendency to make generalizations without backup data. For instance, just because there is a connection between Saturn and 'the occult' - that does not mean that these logos represent Saturn. Also, 'the occult' encompasses a LOT - and not all of it directly linked to Saturn or any of these logos.

If one is to get the bottom of anything, one must think with discernment and not just accept everything one reads on the internet as truth. You, basically, are stating such things as categorically true when there is no logical or objective reason to make that so.

Hi Nomad, you are right in saying that all this symbolism loses it's real significance when filtered down and interpreted by the people. But I also agree that the "higher" echelons of power aren't really aware of the true meaning behind these symbols (because they aren't that high in the echelon anyway). The ones designing the logos are usually involved in societies such as the Masons, Rosicrucians etc. and are brainwashed by all this esoteric symbolism that they have to worship in their lodges. However, these symbols have many meanings which vary according to the level of knowledge and understanding of the Universe that one has. Although the people designing it only see it as some fancy drawing that fascinates them, they don't realize that there is much more to it. Please bear in mind that all the esoteric and occult traditions are the remnants of the knowledge & technology of the Atlantean Civilization. However, only at the highest levels of the Elite is the true meaning understood (and used).

The above paragraph is more generalizations and assumptions stated as if it is categorical truth. This is a problem, because the signal - the data - in this paragraph is so low, yet you're stating it as truth. I'm not stating that there is no hidden symbolism in logos - of course there is. I am questioning the objectivity of linking all symbolism in logos directly to the planet Saturn and those who worship it/its 'power'. In short, if you could simply state that this is your hypothesis, it would help. Stating it as the truth is muddying the waters.

 

[Eboard10]

Hi Eboard10, you have a tendency to make generalizations without backup data. For instance, just because there is a connection between Saturn and 'the occult' - that does not mean that these logos represent Saturn. Also, 'the occult' encompasses a LOT - and not all of it directly linked to Saturn or any of these logos.

If one is to get the bottom of anything, one must think with discernment and not just accept everything one reads on the internet as truth. You, basically, are stating such things as categorically true when there is no logical or objective reason to make that so.

No, I am not stating anything as being the truth, I am just giving my opinion based on what I have read on such symbolisms. Of couse not all the occult teachings are linked to Saturn; they are linked to all Planets to begin with, Saturn just being one of them. I am aware of the fact that I haven't given any precise data or source that explains in detail the symbol of Saturn, but it's because these symbols are always subject to interpretation. That's why I recommend reading books on this subject before coming to any conclusion.

The above paragraph is more generalizations and assumptions stated as if it is categorical truth. This is a problem, because the signal - the data - in this paragraph is so low, yet you're stating it as truth. I'm not stating that there is no hidden symbolism in logos - of course there is. I am questioning the objectivity of linking all symbolism in logos directly to the planet Saturn and those who worship it/its 'power'. In short, if you could simply state that this is your hypothesis, it would help. Stating it as the truth is muddying the waters.

I never said that all symolism is directly linked to Saturn, which is of course a false statement. I just made two examples with contained the Rings of Saturn, at least from my perspective. Again, I was not saying that this is the truth but was just agreeing to what Nomad had written. I only "added" the last sentence which is a bit rough and I should have gone more in depth, I agree.

 

[vinny]

I never said that all symolism is directly linked to Saturn, which is of course a false statement. I just made two examples with contained the Rings of Saturn, at least from my perspective. Again, I was not saying that this is the truth but was just agreeing to what Nomad had written. I only "added" the last sentence which is a bit rough and I should have gone more in depth, I agree.

You'll see that this is the kind of area where we need to be very careful with what we say. Any assertions made need to be rock-solid. Though speculation is fine to a certain degree, it has to be clearly stated as such.There are lots of reasons for this. There are the hundreds of 'hysteria mongers' out there who will hype up any and every conspiracy theory, construct straw-man arguments, and associate any serious work in this area with 'crazy conspiracists' and all kinds of woolly rumours, and in fact do a lot of damage (in some cases intentionally) to the cause of truth.

It is a real minefield, intentionally made so, by all the cointelpro efforts out there. Which means there are lots of traps that people fall into that undermine their and others' search for truth. Just look at the 9/11 truth movement and the smears and various untenable theories flying round there. Also check out the recent 'Pied Piper' article about Alex Jones on SOTT, which describes some of these effects.

That's not to say you shouldn't explore ideas, but it is important to tread very carefully when it comes to 'absolute truths' (so, good to clarify that this was speculation on your part). They can come back to discredit you and anyone you are associated with, with no warning, and also lead you down all kinds of distracting dead ends if taken too far. Without exposure to some of the more arcane manouevres of cointelpro it can be difficult to appreciate the importance of this, but it really shouldn't be underestimated.

There is also the issue of continual self-examination and investigation of the facts, in our quest for objectivity, there are many traps along the way. And the amount of fuzzy data or inconsequential noise out there is immense. An important lesson that anyone looking into these things needs to learn, and learn fast, so I hope that made some sense. As long as we continue to carefully examine any conclusions we come to, and still remain 'open', there is hope we may learn something.

 

[ALLusion]

I personally can't see it in the Volkswagon logo, but I have noticed snakes in logos before, my favourite which becomes so obvious when you see it is the British Telecom logo:

look at the red arm/leg...I'm not sure analysing company logos is worthwhile to pursue however alot of them are strange and leave the question 'why?' in my mind, I've noticed most fast food logos are red or have mainly red in them (does the colour red make people hungry? It sure isn't making me want to eat it!!)

Bear in mind this subject has been covered in depth by prominent disinfo/cointelpro guys mainly Michael Tsarion so it could be a useless subject entirely or just needs interpreting correctly...

 

[ElizabethDempsey]

This is one in a series of interesting videos by Freeman on the topic of Corporate Logos:

_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArbZOqQpifE&feature=related

 

[JEEP]

Yes and about the analogy between the Washington monument and a phallus, here is the belgian Police logo:

Based on the following, I'm more inclined to think it's a V:

State Sponsored Terrorism

...and the V's have it!

“…this valorous visitation of a by-gone vexation, stands vivified, and has vowed to vanquish these venal and virulent vermin van-guarding vice and vouchsafing the violently vicious and voracious violation of volition.” V

This is no vacuous vacation from veracity; the V’s value is no vamp in the vision of the votaries which vilipend the virtuous; those viral visitants vacant of virtue..

This V of Vonage venerates lascivious union; a veiled violation of virginal vanity. A V revealing a dot visiting between the legs is a variant of the very point within a circle voiced below; a vas deferens vessel and a vulva.

Visa’s V is vandalized by a viscid fluid with the entrance of the yod; a virile votive vouchsafing the virgin’s violation.

The V of VH1 verifies the veracity of its usage. The VH1 rests on a cube: a vestige of the vole’s viatical vow to venerate the “perfect ashlar”. The V is a symbol of the virgin, the H is a symbol of the Emperor, and the 1 is a penis. Variform Masonic symbolism replaces the G in the vaginal oblong square, formed by the compass and square, with the Hebrew Yod; a tongue of fire representing virility. This is no verbigeration of out-dated vernacular.

Valero veils the Masonic compass and square in the letters VA, as does Viacom and the action TV show, Vanished. The vicissitude of Valero’s symbol from the “tri-diamond” to the V, when viewing the commercial, varies from the infinity symbol (a symbol of the magician), to an X (another coded hexagram), which then becomes a V.

The V is not long standing before a vermicular intrusion drapes around its legs. Of course, Valero’s earlier logo is a pentagram formed of five V’s.
Venus Express of the European Space Agency canted the square to venerate that vessel of knowledge, Pythagoras. I’m truly curious to see what anomalies Venus unveils to this mission. Of course, NASA has countered with the Orion mission.

It’s interesting to note that in the Tarot, V is the Hierophant, the Magus of the Gods. He takes on the essence of Venus and Mercury; the hermaphrodite. Knight and Lomas, in their work, “The Book of Hiram”, equate the union of Venus and Mercury with the Shekinah; a Hebrew form of the goddess. We see the same symbolism over and over.

Verifibly, this was envisioned by the developers of Volvo's viva to Mars and Venus; being a vulva with the virility of Mars.

The hexagram of Israel has the same connotation. There is one triangle over another and sometimes interwoven, one black, one white. This is the same symbolism displayed in the goddess holding one arm up and one arm down. This is the symbol used by the ancient alchemists to denote dark and light forces. The hexagram can also be found on the floor of Muslim mosques. The Hindus worship a supreme goddess known as Kali. To this day there are human sacrifices to Kali in hopes of gaining earthly wealth. Kali is worshipped on the cremation grounds and is a goddess of destruction. I’d call that a “Cremation of Care”.
Could this be the vainglory of villainous vampiric vermin verily vacant of virtue?
V for Vendetta’s contrivance to facilitate vengeful violence from a virtuous vantage verifies the villainy of the Wachowski Brothers.

Encoded within Village Roadshow's logo is 66; 6 V's making one V, once again, the sign of the fallen ones.

Taken a step further and one finds that Village Roadshow's partner, Warner Bros, uses a crest with WB. In magic, this would transliterate to magicians of the fallen ones. B is the letter assigned the Magician in the Tarot.

That was very, very vexing!!!