Possible war between Kosovo and Serbia?

[Akul]

Very materialistic and pessimistic point of view.

Oh, don't you say?

The one you would have if comparing Serbia and Swiss, or Sweden. Or if you are overly nationalistic Croat, or serbian fifth column (so called "drugosrbijanac" - "second-serbians", always schooled on the West, and always thinking of their own people the worse. Much used by Soros' NGOs since 2000s). Russians have lot of such ilk too.

Yeah, so strange that the same discriminating and disparaging rhetoric is used by the psychopaths in the government's of Milošević then and psychopathic/narcissistic Vučić now for those Serbs who still have some dignity and common sense. If cannot pinpoint to "inner enemy" then is commonly found an "outer enemy" like the "nationalistic" Croats.

Serbs fight when there is a need. Be it because of external aggression or inner fight (like today). Serbia didn't attacked Austro-Hungary, but Austro-Hungary attacked Serbia. Serbia didn't attacked Turkey or Germany, but other way around, and so on . . .

Sure, sure, the Serbs always fought only when needed. All the ethnic cleansing, genocides, raping and so on in the 40s and especially in the 90s in Croatia, Bosnia, Kosovo and so on was only a defensive reaction, probably in a good faith too!

You even misunderstood the term "serbian world".

First: that is the term for serbian cultural and traditional influence on the Balkans, not political or territorial. And that is pretty much new term, couple of years old.

Second: that term is irrelevant in Serbia, very few pays attention to it.

Sure, nevermind the fact it is actually coined and promoted by the Serbian political and intellectual elite directly related to the government led by Vučić who was "little man" of Milošević during the 90s and Vučić himself was publicly propagating the ethnic cleansing and genocides in Croatia and Bosnia for the realization of Greater Serbia ideology - which is now termed in a more politically correct term "Serbian world" - and Dodik in Bosnia is constantly threating with the secession of Republika Srpska (which would lead to a new war and the disintegration of Bosnia) and merging Republika Srpska with Serbia. The idea is literally propagating, again, the unification of all Serbs in one state or cultural-economical and other close connection of Serbs near Serbs with Serbia.

Serbian World — a dangerous idea? - Emerging Europe

Serbian Interior Minister Aleksandar Vulin has courted controversy with several statements about the so-called Serbian World, an idea that Serbs living in the Western Balkans should be part of the same political sphere. What exactly is that Serbian World, and how does it fit into the political...

emerging-europe.com

"Serbian Interior Minister Aleksandar Vulin has courted controversy with several statements about the so-called Serbian World, an idea that Serbs living in the Western Balkans should be part of the same political sphere."

The Serbian World - Originally Borrowed Concept - dfcme.me

Serbia has distinguished itself as a testing ground for articulating Russian interests, as a predominantly Orthodox state, in which the notions of nationality and religion are considered identical. Issues of nation and religion are often mixed, and Serbianness and Orthodoxy are equated. These...

dfc.me

"Recently, the concept of the Serbian world has been widely exploited, referring mainly to the insatiable Greater Serbia ambitions for expanding its influence beyond the borders of the Republic of Serbia. The construct of the Serbian world is a counterpart to the initiative of Russian peace (world) and is essentially a continuation of the old hegemonic idea of a Greater Serbia, which was one of the main causes of the disintegration of Yugoslavia and bloody ethnic conflicts on its territory in the 1990s."

The Concept of the Serbian World: A Copy of the Russian World or a Unique Idea for the Multidimensional Cohesion of the Serbian People? (https://mpra.ub.uni-muenchen.de/116782/1/MPRA_paper_116274.pdf)

Marshal Vucic - that’s what corruption gave us - CdM

By Andrej Nikolaidis, CdM columnist

www.cdm.me

"The high representative for B&H, Mr Christian Schmidt, recently said that Aleksandar Vucic wasn’t making the Serbian World. That’s true. He’s not creating it. He’s already created it. That is, it was created on its own. To be precise, Mr Schmidt said that “Vucic doesn’t support the Serbian World”. Hell, it was created on its own – as a kidney stone, for example – and Vucic doesn’t back it. He only maintains it. Today, that entire Serbian World, which doesn’t exist, votes for Vucic: it’s practically an election unit. And that was an important message of the elections.

Note to particularly dumb and particularly mean readers who claim they don’t notice the existence of the Serbian World. It comprises Serbia, Montenegro and a half of Bosnia. The intention is to make the north of Kosovo an integral part of it: but Kurti doesn’t allow it. Because Kurti, unlike the big men who were or are in power in our country, is a politician, not always a hungry hen. And he’s not corrupt, unlike our doyens. Well, “our Western friends” have nothing to blackmail him and force him to obey them and deliver to Vucic a “community of Serbian municipalities”, which he will then, little by little, legally, medially, economically and in every other way exclude from the order of Kosovo and add to the Serbian World.

If the Serbian World were some spiritual entity that includes Serbian cultural, linguistic and other fine areas that have no borders, part of it would also be, for example – Vienna and Chicago. Namely, there are more Serbs in both than in Montenegro, Kosovo or Eastern Bosnia with Eastern Herzegovina. But no. The Serbian World is a classic marking of the territory. Only those territories, unlike the attempt from 1992, should be annexed to Serbia without war and step by step. When the conditions are right.

The Serbian World is as Lassie, Bigfoot and the Yeti – but the other way around. Namely, no one has seen the listed creatures – only some claim that they have. The Serbian World, on the other hand, is seen by everyone – only some claim not to see it. And, at the same time, the creation of the Serbian World was no secret. On the contrary. Few things in this region were more transparent than its growth and establishment. If our tenders were so transparent, where would we end up?

Everything happened publicly, out loud and in plain sight. Important people were saying that it was to be made. Important institutions of the Republic of Serbia wrote documents about it. Governments made decisions that armed that world. The only thing missing were those yellow signs that say “under construction” and a drawing of the project, with the date by which the building will be completed. And yet, in Montenegro, there are still people able to stand in front of the cameras and announce that the Serbian World is just a mirage, just part of the narrative of “Milo’s propagandists”.

The Serbian World was established, among other things, with the amen and active support of the great powers. At the same time, Russia’s role in this was the least important and by no means decisive. An important tool in establishing that world was the anti-corruption fight. You must have noticed: the undoubtedly corrupt regimes of Milo Djukanovic and Bakir Izetbegovic have fallen. The undoubtedly corrupt regime of Aleksandar Vucic is not. On the contrary: no one mentions his corruption. Vucic seems to rule flawlessly. And it will be like that for as long as the illusion of Quinta lasts that Vucic can be corrupted by concessions: that he can be persuaded to lead that country to the west, contrary to the authentic will of the citizens of Serbia.

Samuel Johnson, a staunch conservative and an important author of 18th-century British political thought, is the author of the often-quoted and misinterpreted thought: “Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel”. Several propagandists of the Serbian World operating in Montenegro used this idea to deal with Montenegrin patriotism and portray it not only as primitive, but also corrupt."

Serbian analyst: Why Vucic is the biggest evil for Serbia and the region

Since coming to power in 2012, Aleksandar Vučić has done everything...

www.koha.net

But, there is much more attention for the term in neighbouring countries, such as Croatia.

That pescy neighbours, always making problems with noble Serbian ideas! (There was always only one - Greater Serbia as Yugoslavian idea was never Serbian - it was Croatian - and was only perceived and used by the Serbian elite to unify all Serbs in one country). Since nobody cares about it among Serbs and in Serbia, I guess next thing you will say is that the Croats or others actually coined the idea of the Serbian World to make a bad image of the Serbs!

It resembles the situation from the 1990s, when Serbian academy of science and art, and especially the writer Dobrica Cosic were used (from the West, of course) to pump up croatian nationalism to fight against ethnic Serbs in Croatia, and in that way to destroy Yugoslavia.

Do you really think that people believe this Greater Serbian revisionistic brainwashing? Indeed, such a shame that SANU (Serbian academy)'s academics were used beforehand to pump up Serbian nationalism, better said chauvinism and ethnic hatred, so that the Serbs are maliciously manipulated to invade, ethnic cleanse and genocide Bosniaks, Croats and Albanians/Kosovars in all neighbouring countries. The fact that the Serbs with Milošević actually were primarilly those who destroyed Yugoslavia within, trying to use it only as a ploy for Greater Serbia.

Croats were bombarded with the false premises that Serbian academy hates them, and that Serbian academy had great influence on politics in Serbia, and Dobrica Cosic is serbian "father of the nation". BUT, that was just for internal use in Croatia, to incite hatred.

All this is pure made-up bull.

In reality, in Serbia, Serbian academy had none influence (just as today), and its "memorandums" were unknown and irrelevant (nobody paid attention).

Sure, sure. The top academic institution of the intellectual elite didn't have any influence (which is just another bull), let's ignore the fact that happened so-called SANU Memorandum - Wikipedia

The main theme was that Yugoslavia's constitutional structure discriminated against the Serbs, and that decentralisation was leading to the disintegration of Yugoslavia.[3] It claimed that Serbia's development was eroded in favour of other parts of Yugoslavia, or rather that other more developed regions flourished at Serbia's expense. The memorandum was officially denounced by the government of Yugoslavia in 1986, and the government of the SR Serbia for inciting nationalism.[4]

Memorandum of the Serbian Academy of Sciences and Arts (1986) was the single most important document to set into motion the pan-Serbian movement of the late 1980s which led to Slobodan Milošević's rise to power and the subsequent Yugoslav wars. The authors of the Memorandum included the most influential Serbian intellectuals, among them: Dobrica Ćosić, Pavle Ivić, Antonije Isaković, Dušan Kanazir, Mihailo Marković, Miloš Macura, Dejan Medaković, Miroslav Pantić, Nikola Pantić, Ljubiša Rakić, Radovan Samardžić, Miomir Vukobratović, Vasilije Krestić, Ivan Maksimović, Kosta Mihailović, Stojan Čelić and Nikola Čobelić. Philosopher Christopher Bennett characterized the memorandum as "an elaborate, if crude, conspiracy theory."[44]: 81  The memorandum claimed systematic discrimination against Serbs and Serbia culminating with the allegation that the Serbs of Kosovo and Metohija were being subjected to genocide. According to Bennett, despite most of these claims being obviously absurd, the memorandum was merely one of several similar polemics published at the time.[44]: 81

The Memorandum's defenders claim that far from calling for a breakup of Yugoslavia on Greater Serbian lines, the document was in favor of Yugoslavia. Its support for Yugoslavia was however conditional on fundamental changes to end what the Memorandum argued was the discrimination against Serbia which was inbuilt into the Yugoslav constitution. The chief of these changes was abolition of the autonomy of Kosovo and Vojvodina. According to Norman Cigar, because the changes were unlikely to be accepted passively, the implementation of the Memorandum's program would only be possible by force.[45]: 24

Jordan B. Peterson, Maja Djikic - You can neither remember nor forget what you do not understand (2003)

On June 28, 1914, a radical Serbian youth-group member, Gavrilo Princip, assassinated the Archduke Franz Ferdinand, heir to the Habsburg Empire, and plunged Europe into the First World War. Seventy-five years later to the day, the president of Serbia, Slobodan Milosevic, roused his people to combat in a speech before thousands of his supporters, gathered to commemorate the 600th anniversary of the Battle of Kosovo (1389), an event that served as the focal point of a powerful collective Serbian sense of victimization and entitlement. “After six centuries,” Milosevic told the enthusiastic crowd, “we are again engaged in battles and quarrels. They are not armed battles, but this cannot be excluded yet” (Malcom, 1996). The memory Milosovic invoked, mystified and distorted through the intermediary centuries of “unjust hardship” suffered by the Serb people, served to justify Serbian attempts to regain territory they felt unfairly deprived of. Milosevic proved exceedingly successful in exploiting such collective memory to rouse the aggressive defensiveness of his people, and in manipulating them into plundering and murdering in Bosnia and Croatia in the following years.

The collectively constructed “memory” of the Battle of Kosovo, for example – used by Milosevic and other Serb nationalists to justify attempts to take over parts of their neighboring countries – accentuated the victimization of the Serbian people, while omitting all reference to the somewhat equivocal actual outcome of the Kosovo battle. Nationalist Serbian leaders agitating for war also consistently implied that the Serbs faced great threat, and proposed that such threat could be confronted pre-emptively in armed battle (Malcom, 1996). Appeal to past or present victimization to rationalize current atrocity appears a far from uncommon and impressively effective technique for rousing hatred (Staub, 1997).

 

[Nević Nenad]

Oh, don't you say?

Yeah, so strange that the same discriminating and disparaging rhetoric is used by the psychopaths in the government's of Milošević then and psychopathic/narcissistic Vučić now for those Serbs who still have some dignity and common sense. If cannot pinpoint to "inner enemy" then is commonly found an "outer enemy" like the "nationalistic" Croats.

Sure, sure, the Serbs always fought only when needed. All the ethnic cleansing, genocides, raping and so on in the 40s and especially in the 90s in Croatia, Bosnia, Kosovo and so on was only a defensive reaction, probably in a good faith too!

Sure, nevermind the fact it is actually coined and promoted by the Serbian political and intellectual elite directly related to the government led by Vučić who was "little man" of Milošević during the 90s and Vučić himself was publicly propagating the ethnic cleansing and genocides in Croatia and Bosnia for the realization of Greater Serbia ideology - which is now termed in a more politically correct term "Serbian world" - and Dodik in Bosnia is constantly threating with the secession of Republika Srpska (which would lead to a new war and the disintegration of Bosnia) and merging Republika Srpska with Serbia. The idea is literally propagating, again, the unification of all Serbs in one state or cultural-economical and other close connection of Serbs near Serbs with Serbia.

Serbian World — a dangerous idea? - Emerging Europe

Serbian Interior Minister Aleksandar Vulin has courted controversy with several statements about the so-called Serbian World, an idea that Serbs living in the Western Balkans should be part of the same political sphere. What exactly is that Serbian World, and how does it fit into the political...

emerging-europe.com

"Serbian Interior Minister Aleksandar Vulin has courted controversy with several statements about the so-called Serbian World, an idea that Serbs living in the Western Balkans should be part of the same political sphere."

The Serbian World - Originally Borrowed Concept - dfcme.me

Serbia has distinguished itself as a testing ground for articulating Russian interests, as a predominantly Orthodox state, in which the notions of nationality and religion are considered identical. Issues of nation and religion are often mixed, and Serbianness and Orthodoxy are equated. These...

dfc.me

"Recently, the concept of the Serbian world has been widely exploited, referring mainly to the insatiable Greater Serbia ambitions for expanding its influence beyond the borders of the Republic of Serbia. The construct of the Serbian world is a counterpart to the initiative of Russian peace (world) and is essentially a continuation of the old hegemonic idea of a Greater Serbia, which was one of the main causes of the disintegration of Yugoslavia and bloody ethnic conflicts on its territory in the 1990s."

The Concept of the Serbian World: A Copy of the Russian World or a Unique Idea for the Multidimensional Cohesion of the Serbian People? (https://mpra.ub.uni-muenchen.de/116782/1/MPRA_paper_116274.pdf)

Marshal Vucic - that’s what corruption gave us - CdM

By Andrej Nikolaidis, CdM columnist

www.cdm.me

"The high representative for B&H, Mr Christian Schmidt, recently said that Aleksandar Vucic wasn’t making the Serbian World. That’s true. He’s not creating it. He’s already created it. That is, it was created on its own. To be precise, Mr Schmidt said that “Vucic doesn’t support the Serbian World”. Hell, it was created on its own – as a kidney stone, for example – and Vucic doesn’t back it. He only maintains it. Today, that entire Serbian World, which doesn’t exist, votes for Vucic: it’s practically an election unit. And that was an important message of the elections.

Note to particularly dumb and particularly mean readers who claim they don’t notice the existence of the Serbian World. It comprises Serbia, Montenegro and a half of Bosnia. The intention is to make the north of Kosovo an integral part of it: but Kurti doesn’t allow it. Because Kurti, unlike the big men who were or are in power in our country, is a politician, not always a hungry hen. And he’s not corrupt, unlike our doyens. Well, “our Western friends” have nothing to blackmail him and force him to obey them and deliver to Vucic a “community of Serbian municipalities”, which he will then, little by little, legally, medially, economically and in every other way exclude from the order of Kosovo and add to the Serbian World.

If the Serbian World were some spiritual entity that includes Serbian cultural, linguistic and other fine areas that have no borders, part of it would also be, for example – Vienna and Chicago. Namely, there are more Serbs in both than in Montenegro, Kosovo or Eastern Bosnia with Eastern Herzegovina. But no. The Serbian World is a classic marking of the territory. Only those territories, unlike the attempt from 1992, should be annexed to Serbia without war and step by step. When the conditions are right.

The Serbian World is as Lassie, Bigfoot and the Yeti – but the other way around. Namely, no one has seen the listed creatures – only some claim that they have. The Serbian World, on the other hand, is seen by everyone – only some claim not to see it. And, at the same time, the creation of the Serbian World was no secret. On the contrary. Few things in this region were more transparent than its growth and establishment. If our tenders were so transparent, where would we end up?

Everything happened publicly, out loud and in plain sight. Important people were saying that it was to be made. Important institutions of the Republic of Serbia wrote documents about it. Governments made decisions that armed that world. The only thing missing were those yellow signs that say “under construction” and a drawing of the project, with the date by which the building will be completed. And yet, in Montenegro, there are still people able to stand in front of the cameras and announce that the Serbian World is just a mirage, just part of the narrative of “Milo’s propagandists”.

The Serbian World was established, among other things, with the amen and active support of the great powers. At the same time, Russia’s role in this was the least important and by no means decisive. An important tool in establishing that world was the anti-corruption fight. You must have noticed: the undoubtedly corrupt regimes of Milo Djukanovic and Bakir Izetbegovic have fallen. The undoubtedly corrupt regime of Aleksandar Vucic is not. On the contrary: no one mentions his corruption. Vucic seems to rule flawlessly. And it will be like that for as long as the illusion of Quinta lasts that Vucic can be corrupted by concessions: that he can be persuaded to lead that country to the west, contrary to the authentic will of the citizens of Serbia.

Samuel Johnson, a staunch conservative and an important author of 18th-century British political thought, is the author of the often-quoted and misinterpreted thought: “Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel”. Several propagandists of the Serbian World operating in Montenegro used this idea to deal with Montenegrin patriotism and portray it not only as primitive, but also corrupt."

Serbian analyst: Why Vucic is the biggest evil for Serbia and the region

Since coming to power in 2012, Aleksandar Vučić has done everything...

www.koha.net

That pescy neighbours, always making problems with noble Serbian ideas! (There was always only one - Greater Serbia as Yugoslavian idea was never Serbian - it was Croatian - and was only perceived and used by the Serbian elite to unify all Serbs in one country). Since nobody cares about it among Serbs and in Serbia, I guess next thing you will say is that the Croats or others actually coined the idea of the Serbian World to make a bad image of the Serbs!

Do you really think that people believe this Greater Serbian revisionistic brainwashing? Indeed, such a shame that SANU (Serbian academy)'s academics were used beforehand to pump up Serbian nationalism, better said chauvinism and ethnic hatred, so that the Serbs are maliciously manipulated to invade, ethnic cleanse and genocide Bosniaks, Croats and Albanians/Kosovars in all neighbouring countries. The fact that the Serbs with Milošević actually were primarilly those who destroyed Yugoslavia within, trying to use it only as a ploy for Greater Serbia.

All this is pure made-up bull.

Sure, sure. The top academic institution of the intellectual elite didn't have any influence (which is just another bull), let's ignore the fact that happened so-called SANU Memorandum - Wikipedia

The main theme was that Yugoslavia's constitutional structure discriminated against the Serbs, and that decentralisation was leading to the disintegration of Yugoslavia.[3] It claimed that Serbia's development was eroded in favour of other parts of Yugoslavia, or rather that other more developed regions flourished at Serbia's expense. The memorandum was officially denounced by the government of Yugoslavia in 1986, and the government of the SR Serbia for inciting nationalism.[4]

Memorandum of the Serbian Academy of Sciences and Arts (1986) was the single most important document to set into motion the pan-Serbian movement of the late 1980s which led to Slobodan Milošević's rise to power and the subsequent Yugoslav wars. The authors of the Memorandum included the most influential Serbian intellectuals, among them: Dobrica Ćosić, Pavle Ivić, Antonije Isaković, Dušan Kanazir, Mihailo Marković, Miloš Macura, Dejan Medaković, Miroslav Pantić, Nikola Pantić, Ljubiša Rakić, Radovan Samardžić, Miomir Vukobratović, Vasilije Krestić, Ivan Maksimović, Kosta Mihailović, Stojan Čelić and Nikola Čobelić. Philosopher Christopher Bennett characterized the memorandum as "an elaborate, if crude, conspiracy theory."[44]: 81  The memorandum claimed systematic discrimination against Serbs and Serbia culminating with the allegation that the Serbs of Kosovo and Metohija were being subjected to genocide. According to Bennett, despite most of these claims being obviously absurd, the memorandum was merely one of several similar polemics published at the time.[44]: 81

The Memorandum's defenders claim that far from calling for a breakup of Yugoslavia on Greater Serbian lines, the document was in favor of Yugoslavia. Its support for Yugoslavia was however conditional on fundamental changes to end what the Memorandum argued was the discrimination against Serbia which was inbuilt into the Yugoslav constitution. The chief of these changes was abolition of the autonomy of Kosovo and Vojvodina. According to Norman Cigar, because the changes were unlikely to be accepted passively, the implementation of the Memorandum's program would only be possible by force.[45]: 24

Jordan B. Peterson, Maja Djikic - You can neither remember nor forget what you do not understand (2003)

From your nationalist - chauvinist point of view . . . .

I abhor that, together with serbian or croatian (both the same) nationalist - chauvinism. So, you're alone here with that.

On "serbian expansionism" (or however you call that, I couldn't care less . . . ) there was enough material on this forum and on SOTT already. Together with all the Ex - Yugoslavia stuff. You might want to read that.

I see that you made the whole thread back in 2016. on denouncing those bad bad Serbs, together with "genetics". Some real "serious science" . . . Of course with no interes among members of the forum.

I think that you're in the wrong bar here with your nationalistic talk. All ex-yugoslavia nationalities here are actually honest, real good, mother and country, respect for all, working on the self loving kind of people with none interes in topics you present.

 

[Akul]

From your nationalist - chauvinist point of view . . . .

I abhor that, together with serbian or croatian (both the same) nationalist - chauvinism. So, you're alone here with that.

On "serbian expansionism" (or however you call that, I couldn't care less . . . ) there was enough material on this forum and on SOTT already. Together with all the Ex - Yugoslavia stuff. You might want to read that.

I see that you made the whole thread back in 2016. on denouncing those bad bad Serbs, together with "genetics". Some real "serious science" . . . Of course with no interes among members of the forum.

I think that you're in the wrong bar here with your nationalistic talk. All ex-yugoslavia nationalities here are actually honest, real good, mother and country, respect for all, working on the self loving kind of people with none interes in topics you present.

Look yourself in the mirror and words you are using as you're personally psychologically projecting your's own butthurt "nationalism and chauvinism" against "second-Serbians" and "neighbors" (especially "Croats") to myself who didn't show it.

You dare calling others nationalists and chauvinists merely for correcting your serious display of misinformation about actual nationalistic and chauvinistic Serbian World-Greater Serbia ideology - which ruling party is championing and big part of common/voting Serbs still blindly supports such ideology. Others do not, but saying such ideology is irrelevant and ignored in Serbia or by the Serbs is completely false and lies. Why you weren't do one who presented correct information and rather decided to defend it?

You dare to call other nationalists and chauvinists while you're showing no signs of remorse while whitewashing Serbian "fighting" which happened only "when needed" and mostly putting the blame on the neighbors/Croats (such a nice euphemisms for the attacking atrocities which the Serbs done in the 90s).

You even went to the point of an ad hominem - showing how much actually you personally felt hurt because your personal egotistical nationalistic identification and idealistic projection of Serbs and Serbia for here felt in danger.

Basically, making a strawman to hide your Serbian nationalism behind the curtain how "here are actually honest, real good, mother and country, respect for all, working on the self loving kind of people with none interes in topics you present".

I am following this forum & project before you even joined. I strongly believe the last statement, but unfortunately there has been those who are in the wrong bar here and you really should reconsider what you just said and wish to show the others by blurring and sugar coating the reality.

I won't continue this discussion any further.

 

[Akul]

"I see that you made the whole thread back in 2016. on denouncing those bad bad Serbs, together with "genetics". Some real "serious science"

As couldn't edit this part. I did not do such a thread nor in my comments anywhere "denounced" or anyting about "bad bad Serbs".

You are intentionally and consciously lying about me and wrote here - things which can be easily checked!

Ask yourself - very well - as should the others - why are you doing it and why and with what "task" are you here at all?

 

[Nević Nenad]

@Akul

Easy man . . .
I'm sorry that I got you in overdrive (you might want to give some thought on that though). The fact is I really don't care who or what you are. Only thing I saw in your writing is nationalism, hatred, and programming. (Plus, it shows that you didn't read anything on SOTT)

That doesn't come well here, that's all.

 

[Nević Nenad]

Yesterday was 25 years since NATO started to bomb Yugoslavia, then Serbia and Montenegro. We will never forget and forgive.

Song on that by the russian band Tatu:

 

[Persej]

Yesterday was 25 years since NATO started to bomb Yugoslavia, then Serbia and Montenegro. We will never forget and forgive.

Yes, here are two articles about that:

Kosovo War at 25: Blair's secret invasion plot to 'topple Milosevic' revealed

Top secret papers reviewed by The Grayzone reveal Tony Blair demanded strikes on civilian targets in Yugoslavia days before NATO attacked them. While the UK military acknowledged a NATO strike on Hotel Jugoslavia would mean inflicting "some...

www.sott.net

Ruins of Yugoslavia: How Russia learned that NATO poses a threat

The US-led military bloc’s illegal strikes on Belgrade in the spring of 1999 forever changed relations between the West and Moscow

www.rt.com

Andrei Martyanov calls it a watershed moment for Russia.

That was a critical event which spurred the removal of alcoholic Yeltsin and emergence of Vladimir Putin and the group of "siloviki"--people from intelligence and military circle who understood everything already then, that Russia and the West went separate ways and the conflict was inevitable. Yugoslavia was a warning. In very many respects it was a watershed moment.

Let's Not Forget...

... 25 years ago a gang-rape of Yugoslavia. NATO bombings of Yugoslavia started on March 24, 1999. Of course, the US played the key role i...

smoothiex12.blogspot.com

 

[Persej]

New Dassault Rafale Fighter Jets Could Go to Russia's 'Little Brother'

Summary: Serbia, traditionally Russia's "little brother" in the Balkans, is nearing a deal with France for over a dozen Dassault Rafale fighter jets, signaling a significant pivot in its military procurement strategy. Serbian President Aleksandar Vucic's announcement of the impending deal, potentially involving 12 jets for approximately 3 billion euros, underscores Serbia's nuanced position between its Slavic, Eastern Orthodox partnership with Russia and a gradual alignment with Western military standards. Despite its EU candidacy and military neutrality, Serbia's legacy of Soviet-era military hardware is evolving, with recent acquisitions from Western and Chinese suppliers indicating a broader defense diversification.

Serbia remains Russia's closest ally in the Balkans – an alliance embedded in the two countries’ Slavic identity and Eastern Orthodox faith. Earlier this year, Serbia even cracked down on anti-war Russians living in the country.

Yet despite being Russia's "little brother" in the Balkans, Serbia is inching closer to securing a deal to purchase more than a dozen Dassault Rafale fighter jets from France.

"It seems to me that we also reached some concrete agreements when it comes to a purchase of Rafales, and I expect the contracts to be signed within two months in the presence of the French president, which is tremendously important for our country on many levels," Serbian President Aleksandar Vucic said April 9 during a visit to Paris.

The exact number of jets Belgrade may acquire has not been made public, nor has the price. However, Vucic said in 2023 that Serbia sought to acquire 12 Rafale fighters for around 3 billion euros ($3.26 billion). This would include 10 single-seat and two twin-seat fighters, while the weapons package could also include MICA and beyond-visual-range air-to-air missiles, along with a flight simulator for the aircraft and a multi-year integrated logistical support package.

As previously reported by The National Interest, the Dassault Rafale has been a cornerstone of French military aviation since 2001. It is an epitome of versatility and advanced technology in the realm of multirole fighter jets. With a fleet of 234 in France and additional units on order, the Rafale's global footprint has also expanded thanks to export orders from nations like Egypt, India, and Qatar.

A Move Away From Russian Hardware

Serbia remains a candidate to join the European Union. It retains one of the largest militaries in the Balkans, and it still relies heavily on Soviet-designed aircraft, notably the Mikoyan MiG-29 twin-engine fighter and the Mil Mi-35 attack helicopter.

Belgrade also operates Russian tanks and missile launchers, but it has also adopted Chinese anti-aircraft systems and combat drones.

Vucic has sought to expand cooperation with Airbus and Thales. Serbia has purchased the Airbus-made H125M helicopter, as well as C-295 transport aircraft, for its military and police.

Serbia remains militarily neutral. It retains its historic ties with Russia, but it also joined NATO's Partnership for Peace program, which is tailored for those nations that do not aspire to join the transatlantic alliance. Vuvic has made clear that his country will seek other weapons suppliers after the introduction of Western sanctions against Russia for its unprovoked invasion of Ukraine in February 2022.

The Serbian military has been increasingly modeled after NATO standards, and its ground forces have taken part in military exercises with alliance members, including the United States.

However, critics of the Western arming of Serbia warn that the sale of sophisticated French jets could encourage Vucic to intervene militarily in neighboring Kosovo. The former Serbian province declared independence in 2008, but Serbia does not recognize it. The populist Serb leader has made several veiled threats in recent months, the Associated Press has reported.

New Dassault Rafale Fighter Jets Could Go to Russia's 'Little Brother'

Despite being Russia's "little brother" in the Balkans, Serbia is inching closer to securing a deal to purchase more than a dozen Dassault Rafale fighter jets from France.

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I would say it's quite the contrary. This move makes sure that Serbia will not attack Kosovo.

 

[Quadriad]

I would say it's quite the contrary. This move makes sure that Serbia will not attack Kosovo.

Absolutely.

These planes are guaranteed to remotely be commanded to misfire or otherwise malfunction in any Serbian conflict not to the NATO's liking. Which is, any of the realistic ones. As such, they would be a symbol of the total submission of Serbia to NATO's will and command.

I am hoping, against all likelihood, that this supposed Rafale deal is simply an effort to buy more time till Russians liberate Odessa and Ismail, basically altering the Balkan balance of power sufficiently for Serbia to start showing more courage and spite again.

But, I have no such trust in Vučić.

 

[Nević Nenad]

Absolutely.

These planes are guaranteed to remotely be commanded to misfire or otherwise malfunction in any Serbian conflict not to the NATO's liking. Which is, any of the realistic ones. As such, they would be a symbol of the total submission of Serbia to NATO's will and command.

I am hoping, against all likelihood, that this supposed Rafale deal is simply an effort to buy more time till Russians liberate Odessa and Ismail, basically altering the Balkan balance of power sufficiently for Serbia to start showing more courage and spite again.

But, I have no such trust in Vučić.

Serbia cant show any courage while Vucic is in power. He's just criminal and traitor who works for his US deep state masters. Nothing else than that.

 

[Quadriad]

Serbia cant show any courage while Vucic is in power. He's just criminal and traitor who works for his US deep state masters. Nothing else than that.

It is tragic how no force in Serbia has yet formed to challenge this profoundly compromised NATO enabler, while clearly setting themselves apart from the more overtly treasonous "democratic" opposition. "Mi" simply crashed and burned almost as soon as they popped up on the radar. Targetted selling out having been all but inevitable.

I hope something drastic changes, but in a reasoned way. I cannot imagine what would be the likely sufficient trigger, though. Certainly, something pretty awful.

 

[Nević Nenad]

It is tragic how no force in Serbia has yet formed to challenge this profoundly compromised NATO enabler, while clearly setting themselves apart from the more overtly treasonous "democratic" opposition. "Mi" simply crashed and burned almost as soon as they popped up on the radar. Targetted selling out having been all but inevitable.

I hope something drastic changes, but in a reasoned way. I cannot imagine what would be the likely sufficient trigger, though. Certainly, something pretty awful.

Just part of the "Mi" sold out, Dr Nestorovic and Aleksandar Pavic carried on, and now gathered even greater group of people around them and getting even greater attention from the common folk. Now in campaign for Belgrade. The old "Mi" is slowly fading out, in spite of big regime media attention people just doesn't like them.

Change actually are underway. Slow, but steady. The whole "atmosphere" in Serbia is changing.

The new Dr Nestorovic's "Mi" name is: Snaga Naroda (people's strength).

Here is their press conference from the Parliament, which explains their politics in a nutshell. Rafale fighter planes are also mentioned:

 

[Persej]

Kosovo publishes census data in real time, in Albania manipulated statistics are held hostage

The Statistics Agency of Kosovo held yesterday the next conference regarding the progress of the process of Census of Population, Family Economy and Housing in Kosovo. The Director of the Statistics Agency of Kosovo, Avni Kastrati announced that the registration is going as planned, revealing that so far 530 thousand inhabitants have been registered in Kosovo. "Until yesterday, over 530,000 people were registered in Kosovo and 36% of the facilities in Kosovo were registered. We have no major challenges in the field and the staff has stabilized these days and mass interviews have started, as we planned. The registrants have reached the quota that we predicted, up to 7 interviews. If such dynamics continue, we will complete the registration as planned", said Kastrati.

But while Kosovo is publishing the results of the census in real time, an extraordinary scandal is brewing in Albania. The national census was conducted in September of last year, but INSTAT says that the data will be published in June of this year. The opposition says that this postponement is done in order to manipulate the data, because the number of Albanians in the country is currently something more than 1.4 million inhabitants. We recall that in the 2011 census, which took place almost at the same time, the results were published in mid-December. As for the last census, due to technological progress, it was expected that the results would come out much faster. However, this postponement of at least 10 months is one of the serious scandals of Edi Rama's government. The opposition says that during this government, more than a third of the population left the country, as has never happened in history, not even in times of war.

Kosovo publishes census data in real time, in Albania manipulated statistics are held hostage

The Statistics Agency of Kosovo held yesterday the next conference regarding the progress of the process of Census of Population, Family Economy and Housing in Kosovo

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