Probability of Polish-Russian War

[Possibility of Being]

That's unfortunate, ametist, if it's widespread among the Polish population. I've heard conflicting reports from Bulgarians and Romanians about how the general population is not following the politicians and media memes. There was widespread anger and a big backlash on a Bulgarian forum when they cancelled the South Stream pipeline, so who knows. But I do get the feeling that Poland and the Baltic states are the most rabid anti-Russians, including large numbers of the general population, not just the politicians and media.

In spite of their present enthusiasm, for anything EU/US/NATO it may dwindle when they realize there is a prize to pay.

My thought exactly. Until they understand (intellectually AND emotionally) that Poland would most likely ceased to exist in the 40's for God knows how many decades if not for USSR crushing the Nazis, nothing significant is going to change. And I have an uneasy feeling that they may come to pay dearly for their sacred cow, the core, or base, of their very identity. I don't know what needs to happen to divert the train before it's too late. The only thing that comes to mind is a complete change of the ruling gang to those who understand geopolitics and look farther than their pockets, and slowly, step by step, build another reality. But before that comes true, Poland would become a scene of another "color revolution". :(

I'd be happy to be proved wrong!

 

[BHelmet]

That's unfortunate, ametist, if it's widespread among the Polish population. I've heard conflicting reports from Bulgarians and Romanians about how the general population is not following the politicians and media memes. There was widespread anger and a big backlash on a Bulgarian forum when they cancelled the South Stream pipeline, so who knows. But I do get the feeling that Poland and the Baltic states are the most rabid anti-Russians, including large numbers of the general population, not just the politicians and media.

Background - my wife is Polish and I visited her family there in 1988 during the communist regime. Amazing, wonderful, big-hearted people, but I have never understood their blind love for the USA in spite of being knifed in the back so many times by our policies. The mistrust and hate for Russia was clear and present. Part of this stemmed from a few lost uncles in the Warsaw uprising at the tag end of WWII due to the Russians not advancing as the underground was told to rise up, according to their stories, and the Nazis crushed the underground as the Russians stood off and watched. (furthermore, they mostly live in Poznan, near Germany and my wife has a Germanic type maiden name.) Anyway, I kind of thought the Poles got screwed in Yalta by the west, but they don't seem to focus on that aspect. Why would they now? The stories and prejudices get handed down generation to generation.

 

[axj]

Hi.

Last day I saw some information on one site:

Germany, Italy and French are against providing assistance to Poland within NATO in the events of an attack from Russia.
The use of armed forces in the event of an attack declared the USA, Canada and UK.

So I started thinking about probability of Polish-Russian War.

What do you guys think about this?

I also saw that poll and I thought it was pretty heartening to see how much the Germans are against supporting any kind of war with Russia. The question of the poll was whether soldiers from one's own country should be sent in the case of a military conflict between NATO and Russia.

As to the fears of a Russian attack on NATO countries, that is just completely insane and more of the demonization of Russia, coupled with historical issues some of the Eastern European countries have with Russia.

 

[SeekinTruth]

@thorbiorn and PoB, good points. The Baltics also have lots of ultra-nationalists and racist, and fascist/Nazi types, like the Banderists in the Ukraine, so I wonder how much of the anti-immigration sentiments are and will increase from that corner of their societies. As far as the Ukraine and the rest being expendable, I don't think there's any doubt about that (as we've seen in the past) in the greater scheme of things as far as the "Great Game(s)" goes. But there's also the fact that the EU is just as fascist and into centralized, unelected bureaucrats, unaccountable to anyone, telling the member countries what they can and can't do. The whole political "West" is just a mess....

@BHelmet, yeah, I think your experience and thoughts are pretty accurate, and not unusual. Thanks for your input - more interesting accounts adds to our knowledge.

@ajx, totally agree that Russia will NOT attack anyone unless attacked first. It's going to be interesting to see what level the fascist police state tactics are going to reach as more people go against their elites shenanigans in the West.

 

[Possibility of Being]

From another point of view... Who is Pew Research Center? It's a subsidiary of the Pew Charitable Trusts, which, along with CIA and such agencies as NED, Ford Fundation, AFL-CIO (a.o.), should be credited for the "collapse" of USSR and European countries that used to belong to Russia's sphere of influence, and for introducing Western so called free-market capitalism in Central/Eastern Europe.

So what would the poll results be useful for? One thing it shows is that the US/NATO war gang doesn't have enough of support among the society to launch whatever attack they might be thinking of. That may mean, we can expect more of spectacular red flag events that would result in increased anti-Russia propaganda (if that's even possible). But that's just speculation on my part, so FWIW...