Psychopathic Feeding?

[Masamune]

Re: Psychopaths, the ultimate 4D STS feeders.

I think that many pets exhibit those behaviors not to anger or induce guilt, but because they have learned that those behaviors get them what they seek (love/attention). When they learn differently, they do differently (speaking more of dogs here than cats). I find also that many times, people's pets are just reflecting back behaviors that their owners have within themselves. A narcissistic dynamic of it's own.

For example, a member of my family is anxious and needy. The behavior of her pets reflect this dynamic. She encourages it probably because it's been handed down to her and the only way she knows to 'get' her pets to make her feel loved. So perhaps it's really 3D that's manipulating 2D?

I agree with you truth seeker about the dynamics of pets and their owners. So you are saying that animals are not manipulating their owners because they are not consciously choosing to manipulate their owners, only that they have been trained to act in a manipulative manner to get what they want and that they have no other choice?

 

[truth seeker]

Re: Psychopaths, the ultimate 4D STS feeders.

I agree with you truth seeker about the dynamics of pets and their owners. So you are saying that animals are not manipulating their owners because they are not consciously choosing to manipulate their owners, only that they have been trained to act in a manipulative manner to get what they want and that they have no other choice?

Pretty much. Perhaps because of the need of both animals and people to be loved, it sets up the possibility for unhealthy dynamics. If we are sts, it's probably difficult to impossible to not pass down our own wounding to them - similar to what we experience in relationships. I have seen pets that are fairly well behaved. I think in those cases, appropriate boundaries and expectations have been placed. If animals have their own lessons to learn, then that type of feeding behavior inhibits the lessons of the pet as well as the owner - a state of entropy occurs. Way easier said than done, however and as always, I could be off. :/

 

[anart]

Re: Psychopaths, the ultimate 4D STS feeders.

Psychopaths, to my understanding, cannot 'coerce' 4D STS. That would be like a squirrel coercing you to gather its nuts.

If we are going by the idea of 'as above, so below' I think it would be possible for psychopaths to manipulate 4D STS. I think that higher animals such as cats and dogs definitely are able to manipulate humans for their own benefit. For example if a dog wants some attention he may start acting up or being loud. If they want food they may beg to you or give you puppy dog eyes.

To my understanding, humans would be more on the level of a squirrel - or even a cockroach - than 'higher' animal as you describe. 3D cannot manipulate 4D STS - they can be used by it, but they cannot use it any more than a cockroach can use a human being. 4D STS simply has more power and 'freedom' (or movement, or perception, of access) and if you take the most vile actions of humanity - the ones that chill your blood and make you nauseated to think about - you'll be approaching the 4D STS mindset. Humans, even pychopaths, are only a weak shadow of the depravity from our point of view (from a depraved point of view, it's normal).

 

[anart]

Re: Psychopaths, the ultimate 4D STS feeders.

Carlos Castenada relates in his books about how powerful sorcerers can acquire allies that may assist them in magical ways. He mentioned that one of the control methods was to meter out small bits of fear, which allies cling to, as if it were food (!), as a way to control them. How those particular allies described fit into a density cosmology isn't entirely clear, but that allies can be manipulated in such a way makes them sound like 3D or less

Sounds more like small 'demons' or very small 'elementals' - not 4D STS. The types of entities that often get attached through spirit attachment would qualify as well. To my understanding, 4D STS is a whole other ball of wax.

 

[mkrnhr]

Re: Psychopaths, the ultimate 4D STS feeders.

It is interresting IMHO to make a parallel between the owners/pets dynamics with the gods/slaves dynamics. Slaves worship and obey their gods and offer sacrifices in order to please, and eventually receive something from them. But ultimately it is clear who's feeding of the other. Slaves do not receive nothing and are just deceived, they end up eaten by their uncontrolable masters.

 

[ScarletBegonias]

Re: Psychopaths, the ultimate 4D STS feeders.

Thanks for the remarks, everyone! Psychopaths really do seem like perfect candidates for 4D STS, as anart stated. They have to drain our life forces to feed theirs. Psychopaths generally target people who have been victimized, lonely people and people with low-self esteems. The weaker someone is, the more prone they are to being attacked. I think this is the same for 4D STS. The only way to resist attacks is to gain knowledge and to heal ourselves, I think.

 

[cubbex]

Re: Psychopaths, the ultimate 4D STS feeders.

Carlos Castenada relates in his books about how powerful sorcerers can acquire allies that may assist them in magical ways. He mentioned that one of the control methods was to meter out small bits of fear, which allies cling to, as if it were food (!), as a way to control them. How those particular allies described fit into a density cosmology isn't entirely clear, but that allies can be manipulated in such a way makes them sound like 3D or less

Sounds more like small 'demons' or very small 'elementals' - not 4D STS. The types of entities that often get attached through spirit attachment would qualify as well. To my understanding, 4D STS is a whole other ball of wax.

Interesting, how a big demon can be?

 

[cubbex]

Re: Why do we call them snakes when they are more like ticks?

I agree. Ticks are more appropriate. Heck, I even invented a word for them once: "Psychophages" - or "soul eaters."

That's a great word indeed.

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I also don't like when they compare them with cats.

 

[Laura]

I've merged two topics started by Scarlet that are rather similar. Scarlet, how about taking more time to consider whether your question or comment might fit somewhere else and not creating new threads when not necessary?

 

[ScarletBegonias]

I can see the similarities with these threads and will work on this. Thanks Laura!