Psychopaths Brains Different - From the BBC

skystalker said:
At what point in the education system would you all recommend this method of discipline, the work, the art, to be installed in the schooling curriculum?
If you haven't had a chance to yet read Political Ponerology http://www.qfgpublishing.com/product_info.php?products_id=54 - you may want to do that. Toward the end of the book, Lobaczewski goes into some detail about how society should be educated and prepared for what we are dealing with. It seems that as soon as children are able to discuss social interactions that these topics should be introduced, albeit with increasing complexity as they age. As it is right now, we raise our children to be prey - and they learn that lesson well - lord knows I did.
 
brtanner said:
psychopathology is the result of easily understandable misperceptions of so-called reality. These deeply hypnotic experiences have resulted in the misidentification of apparently stable patterns of behavior, thinking, and "external" threats as being who we actually are and are in conflict with. The result of the tendencies arising from this ideational/energetic complex of misidentifications is a state of chronic "dis-ease," or unhappiness that covers over a direct experience of our true nature, the natural state spoken of by teachers like Ramana Maharshi or Nisargadata Maharaj. This state of disease runs a very broad range of conditions...
And this misidentification-"state of disease" is the pervasive condition of our society as a whole and/or a large percentage of the 3d beings we interact with.
Axel_Dunor said:
Those thoughts might deserve that you create a dedicated thread.
Maybe so. Been looking within and at past experience for a long time regarding the "self-observation-process"-awakened "I"/"Self" (Non-Dualists' terms), whereby onion-layers of "false-selves" get thrown in the compost as each deeper observer is identified and wholly felt. This becomes terrifying facing the enormous self-deceptions, and many fall by the wayside. By sheer desperate perseverence, and a relinquishing of even the observing mind and one's "existence" in "time" an Awareness arises in a still fullness/emptyness which is also Knowledge, and Birthless, and Deathless. What density would that be? Then it seems much "work" of Remembrance has to be undertaken so the necessary continuance in 3d doesn't re-infect one with fear and overwhelming unmanagable psychic/mental confusion. It also seems none of this is done with "intellect/mind", which sure seems to be the "tool/instrument" of our entrapment in illusion (or, self-entrapment). Not inferring that "mind" doesn't play an important part up to a point, nor that it will remain active and functioning in 3d, preferrably as the servant of the "real I".
These lineage-transmissions and knowledge seem to be at least one part of the Big Knowledge puzzle we'll need to pass through the "density-boundary" or remain aware and vigilant within the Wave.
DonaldJHunt said:
It seems to me that Eckhart Tolle and his ilk are misapplying 7th Density concepts (where all is one) to 3D where we are to develop our discernment through a glass darkly and choose our alignment. Therefore at this level, the proper discernment of who is Us and who is Them is crucial, OSIT.
I'm tending to agree with the above. While I hear from many quarters all day long about the necessity for "compassion", "unconditional love", etc., I've been shown the down side of "idiot compassion" and the really complex reality of in-the-moment nature of levels of compassion. We all have. "Ruthless"- or "Fierce"-compassion is what some call this other path. (And I'm so sick of new-age teachers/disinfo-agents constantly "mixing up the levels".)
Another thing is the axiom of non-dualists that "knowledge-transmission must only be given when specifically requested". This leads to serious self-inquiry regarding attachment to a "goal" of, say, "creating a critical mass" of awareness around the planet. Maybe its like what one Tibetan lama said (a book called "Carefree Dignity"): [to paraphrase] the self-motivation to become aware is like a cold...if you're around someone who has it, you will just "catch it".
I would think that a firm knowledge of the illusion of death would be advantageous for a transition to 4th density.
And, as Van Morrison sings, "precious time is slippin' away..."
-Just a few thoughts on a very interesting thread.
 
Contrast the BBC article with the article posted here:


http://www(dot)himtimes.com/science&tech/science&tech.php?subaction=showfull&id=1165147505&archive=&start_from=&ucat=10&

Criminal psychopathy a biological dysfunction
Posted on 03 Dec 2006 by HimTimes

London, Dec 03: A biological defect in the way blood flows in the brain rather than a psychological defect could be one reason why some people become criminal psychopaths, a new study shows.

Researchers from the Institute of Psychiatry, King's College London monitored the emotional responses of six men who had committed repeat offences such as attempted murder, rape with strangulation and grievous bodily harm.

"We've never been able to look directly in the brain before and what we found is that when psychopaths were exposed to frightened faces the distress cue didn't increase the psychopath's blood flow. It decreased it," Declan Murphy, a professor of psychiatry at the institute, told news agencies.

He added psychopaths might not stop their attacks because they may have learned to dampen their brain's response to other peoples' distress signals.

All six subjects scored highly on the Hare Psychopathy Checklist, a test which looks for the presence of cunning, manipulative or exploitative behaviors as well as lack of guilt or remorse.

The results were published on Friday in the British Journal of Psychiatry. Their scans were compared to nine healthy volunteers who were also shown images of fearful, happy and neutral faces.

Tom Fahy, professor of forensic mental health and co-author of the study, said the condition may be inherited or acquired through very deprived and abusive childhoods.

He added the findings of the study opened possibilities for new treatments other than counseling therapies and could be used to identify people who had a higher risk of re-offending.

"Psychopaths currently respond pretty poorly to treatment but this biological problem could be used as a marker for people who say they have recovered but actually haven't," Murphy said.
It seems to be the same topic from the same source, including Murphy being quoted. But what he says at the end in this article is not mentioned in the BBC one, and it seems to be important. He is saying that they can tell if a psychopath is 'reformed' or not. Seems to mean that they will find that none of them are with this "test" but they have a way of checking.
 
Azur said:
It seems to be the same topic from the same source, including Murphy being quoted. But what he says at the end in this article is not mentioned in the BBC one, and it seems to be important. He is saying that they can tell if a psychopath is 'reformed' or not. Seems to mean that they will find that none of them are with this "test" but they have a way of checking.
And this seems to be the crux of the matter. They cannot be reformed. Many psychopaths that are in jail, read up on various literature on psychology and psychopathy so they can manipulate the outcomes of psychriatric sessions. For instance, if they want to be moved to a mental facility, they know how to react to questions that would make them seem to be insane. If they want back out of the facility, they know the appropriate answers to show they have been reformed and are now safe to be let out, either back to prison, or out into the public, whichever situation is being offered to them. They learn the responses necessary to get the results they want. And from what Hare was saying in his book, "Without Conscience", if the psychiatrist or psycologist isn't aware of his Psychopathic Checklist, worked up by Hare and his assisstants, and doesn't know what to look for, they can be duped and then let the psychopath back out into the public, thinking that the psychopath has learned his/her lesson. Heck, Hare has said that even some of his own assistants, and he himself, knowing who they are dealing with, have been bamboozled by the psychopaths.

So it anyone is trying to get the public to think that these people can be helped with a little therapy, I'd have to say, at this point in time, that there is an agenda going on.
 
Bholanath said:
I'm tending to agree with the above. While I hear from many quarters all day long about the necessity for "compassion", "unconditional love", etc., I've been shown the down side of "idiot compassion" and the really complex reality of in-the-moment nature of levels of compassion. We all have. "Ruthless"- or "Fierce"-compassion is what some call this other path. (And I'm so sick of new-age teachers/disinfo-agents constantly "mixing up the levels".)
Another thing is the axiom of non-dualists that "knowledge-transmission must only be given when specifically requested". This leads to serious self-inquiry regarding attachment to a "goal" of, say, "creating a critical mass" of awareness around the planet. Maybe its like what one Tibetan lama said (a book called "Carefree Dignity"): [to paraphrase] the self-motivation to become aware is like a cold...if you're around someone who has it, you will just "catch it".
I think that true compassion IS "Fierce" compassion. Pema Chodron tells the story of a Buddhist monk on a sea voyage who decides he will slay the captain of a pirate ship attacking them to save the pirate from creating further karmic debt for himself. Tolle speaks in a couple of places in A New Earth about sometimes having to defend yourself or others from the actions of deeply unconscious people, but that it can be done without "making them into enemies." And it's not compassionate to let a system that feeds on ignorance and suffering grind on in its brutal course out of some kind of sentimental sympathy with the tragedies of the lives of the perpetrator class.

Level confusion is a malady that anyone in the process of unfolding awareness is going to have to meet head-on and chronically. Learning to use your mind efficiently to think critically about things probably requires understanding the nature of mind itself, and what its innate limitations are. Its necessary to look at any idea skeptically, regardless of its source. It's likely that anyone tends to move between states of greater of lesser clarity on a (daily? momentary?) basis, and someone momentarily in a state of greater ignorance may then be/seem an agent of disinfo inadvertantly at that time.

As to the arising of a "critical mass" of people who are "catching it" (ironically, catching that which buddhas seem to suggest is seen on awakening as having always been there behind the veil of ego) that would seem to depend on whether such a gestalt "wants" to happen. Certainly, no one can force or manipulate anyone else into waking up. I think that may be part of what Gurdjieff was talking about when he stated that the forces of inverted intelligence have access to tools and strategies that the forces of evolution don't. Still, I think we perhaps need to hope that such a thing can occur, as if "we" have the fight the PTB in conventional terms, the probability of the significant survivability of living systems on this planet doesn't seem high. Also, should "we" be able to prevail in such a war, whoever came out "on top" could well be a "Galadriel" that all would worship and despair. Several teachers have spoken of being around someone who's awake being like a log coming into contact with one that's already ablaze - you can begin to "ignite." But then you have to tend the flame when away from the awakened one, no one else can do this for you. Particularly as one begins to grow in awareness, though, falling back into states of ignorance starts to become more and more intolerable. Then, as Adyashanti says, you can put a fork in yourself, 'cause you're done. He calls that "great good luck."
 
There was a radio interview with two of the people from this study (Declan Murphy and Quentin Deeley) yesterday on BBC Radio 4's "All in the mind". The two go into more detail about the study but do seem to shy away from drawing any conclusions, preferring 'we don't know'.

The impression is that they either don't get the idea that the problem not only about 'criminal psychopaths' - the ones that get caught for blatant criminal acts that is - or they are not willing to 'go there'. Similarly, not drawing any real conclusions that such traits may be 'hard wired'.

One interesting point from the interview was that the study might help when accessing prisoners for potential release, that certain kinds of 'therapeutic measures' (when applied to genetic psychopaths), simply equipped them with the appropriate words/expressions to say back in front Parole Boards, the 'treatment' just created a better mask for them.

Here's the link, it'll probably be up for about a week. Look for the 'listen again' button (its the first ten minutes of the program).

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/science/allinthemind.shtml
 
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I've noted some responses to the groundbreaking work being done by British researchers -- kicked off no doubt by what Robert Hare and his colleagues worked so diligently and constantly at for decades! -- and I really am convinced that many people would far rather see psychopaths as children of Satan or something than finally start to find a SOLUTION TO THE PROBLEM.

It isn't a matter of BLAME, it's a matter of finding a way through the existing problem, which must be defined and quantified in EMPIRICAL TERMS.

Research should proceed along two lines: on psychopathic offenders in prisons, say, in return for not being executed, in a very carefully patrolled high-security forensic institution; and on non-criminal psychopaths, in either a residential (psych. hospital) setting where psychopaths are segregated by necessity from other patients or in a very carefully organized separate facility.

In time, I think the predictions a friend of mine has made will turn out correct: there will be hospitals exclusively for psychopaths and there will be -- I have, no, absolutely zero, doubt of this! -- a surgical procedure by which some tiny electronic device can span gaps that natural neurotransmitters cannot, in the brains of psychopaths.

Other, less invasive ideas involve synthesized versions of neurotransmitters such as oxytocin, serotonin, etc. -- combined with a socialization therapy that takes place over time (possibly years to start with) in the inpatient setting.

My friend Sabrina is a genius and a diagnosed psychopath, as I am, although in the near-past I still argued she was a misdiagnosed high-functioning autistic; and this past Spring she marched by invitation in a police-protected nonviolent demonstration sponsored by the local advocacy agency for the disabled. (She also has a number of comparatively moderate physical disabilities, and we both have a seizure disorder.)

After the march, she was given one of those plastic/rubber/whatever coloured bracelets that have slogans on them, from, ironically (given some of your comments), a local group for developmental disabilities.

Since then, she has not taken it off. She showers and sleeps with it on. She also hasn't stopped talking to anyone who will listen about the way she felt in that space of maybe an hour total time; they marched a predetermined route and ended up at a lecture in a local auditorium. There were people with so many different kinds of mental and physical (by which I mean brain and the rest of the body!) disabilities that they couldn't be counted. People wheeled along in electric scooters and wheelchairs. Those who could, marched, as Sabrina did.

Someone shot a picture of her with one fist in the air, holding a banner someone else had made and given out to various marchers, and her expression, though she's shouting, is rapt and ecstatic; she really experienced the closest thing ever to pleasure; she must have been in Beta waves. She made some kind of connection then, be it brief and ephemeral as ever. It was there notwithstanding. She didn't hurt anyone, but she never does, except for, rarely, getting mad enough to say something rude that might briefly hurt someone's feelings. In 2007 she threw herself through a window and nearly died as a result. Her recovery to march in that demonstration was amazing.

She is the reason I gave up on my idea of becoming the world's most prolific serial killer -- as a woman, I figured I'd have to outdo Elizabeth Bathory! -- and finally consented to a very strange kind of therapy. At first the therapist involved in this said that she lacked the "competence" to deal, but she educated herself and, six years later, is finally primed to tackle what nobody else wants: the job of coping with ME!!!!! And others of my despised kind.

Look: EVERYTHING "MENTAL" IS HAPPENING IN THE BRAIN. And THAT is the truth so many of you all over the world FEAR so much: finding out that the "Mind" is simply a construct of the physical BRAIN; that given time, science will unlock that so-long-inaccessible frontier AND EVERY THOUGHT AND FEELING CAN BE PHYSICALLY ASSESSED, TRACKED, RECORDED.

Isn't THAT what you are all afraid will happen -- that Empiricism in its 21st-Century form will FINALLY PROVE DARWIN AND THE ATHEISTS RIGHT, and that we will all, the entire Human Race, finally have to deal with the fact we are probably here ALONE, and that when the physical body and brain die, THERE IS NO FURTHER CONSCIOUSNESS AS WE KNOW IT??? Does that make me a version of the ancient religious Adversary, "Satan"? Accepting the inevitability of death? Despair? Cognitive dissonance? Are you willing to sacrifice the solution to the problem just to make yourselves feel better? Who has any way of knowing what lurks past Death or what made the Universe?

Accepting that the brain IS the mind is like accepting that the Earth is not flat and that it revolves around the Sun instead of the other way around. It will NOT destroy religion; why should what is essentially enlightenment do that? If it hasn't before, it won't now.

Instead of Demonizing us, admit that THERE IS NO DICHOTOMY when scientists speak of finding what's wrong with the brains of psychopaths and speak of finding ways to "treat this mental illness" -- where is the contradiction in THAT?

ALL MENTAL ILLNESS IS SIMPLY A DYSFUNCTION OF THE BRAIN. But we have freedom of choice to take or not take certain actions and are ultimately responsible for them and to a degree for their consequences. And as for morality, yes, the Human Race cannot survive without it, and if you find ways to stop Science from finding a way to bridge the gaps in the brains of wretches like me, you will only doom the whole Human Race, not to my depredations but to those of others of my kind who still lash out at the Human Race on the whole in hatred.

I believe that in not much more time this work will lead to ways to develop that which cannot possibly develop on its own in a psychopath: the thing you call Conscience. And ways to breach the heretofore impenetrable scrim that separates us from the rest of you.

NO, it is NOT "FUN". And believe this: IT. IS. NOT. A. DECISION!!!!!!!! Without the intervention that empirical science can provide, no psychopath can be anything else.

I know a lot of you have been hurt by my kind. But we're not all the one who hurt you. And we ARE a HUGE liability for the Human Race. In 20 years' time mandatory abortion may be suggested for babies bearing the genetic marker for psychopathy, but if neurosurgery outruns eugenics, such absolute means won't be a necessity. There are at least two hundred million of my kind in this world now. We can't all be sent to gas chambers.

Of course it's a developmental disability; it's like living locked behind a scrim. I've tried to claw my way through that invisible barrier and cannot. There's always that ineluctable sense of missing at least half the cues that everyone around me responds to. To say nothing about being unable to shiver when I'm cold, night-blindness, being unable to stand up suddenly without passing out because my blood-pressure can't equalize fast enough, having a very limited sense of taste and being almost unable to tell I'm thirsty until I'm getting sick from dehydration. I have no depth perception. I can't hold a pen the right way. I'm typing all this with one finger because it's impossible to type the normal way. People have to repeat instructions to me over and over and unless I see the task done I cannot remember how to do it by words alone. I parrot such instructions until I drive the people around me up a wall, and still I can't remember. Once I see it done I almost never forget it. I know how weird that must seem to you. As a kid I got beaten savagely when those in charge of my care couldn't deal with it any more, the eerie way I made them feel.

And as a kid I used to get so frustrated I'd bang my head against a wall until someone stopped me. I know another person like me who bites her hands and fingers unless someone stops her.

We do have feelings, but they are confusing and unformed, more like what my genius friend terms "proto-emotions".

And then there's the aging issue: I'm expected, if I'm lucky, to live to age fifty. I might even live to be a Senior Citizen, but odds are against it. In some ways I'm like a child, other ways like an adolescent, and still others like an elderly person. What, I wonder, directs aging, ultimately? DNA -- and the brain.

Why am I saying this? Do I seek your PITY?? NOOOO! I'm trying to make a case for this: PROGRESS IN RESEARCH ABSOLUTELY MUST CONTINUE WITH ALL POSSIBLE SUPPORT!

Look: people used to whip dyslexic kids for not learning, and confine people with cerebral palsy to horrible institutions where they were treated worse than zoo animals, BECAUSE THEY SEEMED TO BE SUCH A PROBLEM. But now it's known that they HAVE a problem! A hundred years ago a sweet, non-psychopathic child who happened to be blind would be considered an "evil child" by most people of conscience. In a world that still prints books with "Helen Keller jokes" and the like, I doubt my words will have much effect, but here I post (or try to post) them anyway...

PLEASE DO NOT TRY TO STOP THE PATH OF EMPIRICAL SCIENCE IN COPING WITH THE WORST AND BY FAR MOST MASSIVELY DESTRUCTIVE MENTAL ILLNESS THAT EVER WAS OR EVER WILL BE!!!!!!! It's the only real hope the human race has; that or extirpating us all, and if you do THAT, won't you have hopelessly violated your own much-vaunted CONSCIENCE?

It is THIS that I appeal to: your conscience, yes, but above all your REASON. Yes, I also have reason. But much of my map of life is a hazy grey I cannot decipher. I hate it. I hate the fact I cannot will myself to perceive that which remains indecipherable to me. I stare at people when they talk to me because part of talk is nonverbal expression and I'm liable to completely miss the meaning if I can't read something in the speaker's eyes. Also, my attention is liable to wander.

This mental illness is no less a trap than any other: all the more, as I know I need something I cannot absorb from those around me. At age eight, I shocked the heck out of my caretakers by suddenly screaming, "I'm trapped in here and I can only see out through the eye-holes!! I CAN'T GET OUT!!" and clawing at my face. I had to be restrained for fear I'd put my own eyes out. I started screaming until I ended up seizing. The next thing I recall I was waking up where I'd been laid out on a couch. My friend who tried to kill herself has tried to get out every window where she lives at some time. There's no "out" but death, and I don't want to die; I'll be tucked safely in my grave soon enough, I assure you.

What little space of time I have left in my truncated lifespan, I do not want to waste in this grey nowhereland. The people treating me have me on a cocktail of meds (at least nine of them) that horrifies the pharmacists, though they are mostly not controlled substances (my seizure med is), and they are in legal amounts and combinations. They are constantly adjusting, testing, tracking, and recalibrating, trying to at least build a bridge past the enemy that cannot be defeated.

I have long since lost count of all the MRIs and CT-scans and EEGs I've had...I hope none of these tests turns out to cause cancer. I have shocked at least one EEG technician by being fully awake and talking lucidly whilst the waves being tracked indicate I'm supposed to be fast asleep! Conversely, I have great trouble sleeping deeply enough to restore my body, a possible source of the accelerated aging. Oddly, both Beta-waves and Delta-waves, so different, are so rare in my kind...am I doing that on purpose? NO.

But, yes, I have free will, but not to just become like you. Where do you think our hostility comes from? So long as your hatred blinds your sense of rational thought, and so long as the need to believe that the brain is not all the mind is, keeps you from dealing with the source of the problem and, far worse, leads you to try to stop the inexorable course of empirical study, then yes, we will end up hating you.

I abjure you to let Science take its wonted and necessary course; in fact, rather than oppose it, assist it.

If I've made my point, I have; if not, so be it: I have no doubt that my essay is way too long and rambling. Another one of those things I try to moderate but can't seem to get a grip upon.... Not YET, anyway. As my therapist keeps telling me, "In this moment, you're still alive."

Unauthorized music quote: "The world isn't rendered in Black and White/Other shades lie between/Don't view the world with Binary Eyes/We're Human/Not Machine!" Binary Eyes, VNV Nation.

Amen to THAT. And to those among you who are in support of the empirical solution: keep the faith. It will reap results; it already is, that's why all the furor of controversy. Once again, the world is being proven to be round.

Raven P.
 
SearcherPsychopath said:
Look: EVERYTHING "MENTAL" IS HAPPENING IN THE BRAIN. And THAT is the truth so many of you all over the world FEAR so much: finding out that the "Mind" is simply a construct of the physical BRAIN; that given time, science will unlock that so-long-inaccessible frontier AND EVERY THOUGHT AND FEELING CAN BE PHYSICALLY ASSESSED, TRACKED, RECORDED.

Isn't THAT what you are all afraid will happen -- that Empiricism in its 21st-Century form will FINALLY PROVE DARWIN AND THE ATHEISTS RIGHT, and that we will all, the entire Human Race, finally have to deal with the fact we are probably here ALONE, and that when the physical body and brain die, THERE IS NO FURTHER CONSCIOUSNESS AS WE KNOW IT??? Does that make me a version of the ancient religious Adversary, "Satan"? Accepting the inevitability of death? Despair? Cognitive dissonance? Are you willing to sacrifice the solution to the problem just to make yourselves feel better? Who has any way of knowing what lurks past Death or what made the Universe?

This is a lie. In fact it is THE lie which has been foisted on humanity in an effort to stave off its further evolution. If you do the research, you will see that there IS evidence that consciousness is not limited to brain functions. One source is Kelley's The Irreducible Mind. Research has shown this for over one-hundred years, but the scientific control system has systematically blocked and denied such research from ever becoming the norm. This is for a reason. It is also the reason a full disclosure on the reality of UFOs will never happen. The reason is because UFOs are hyperdimensional and thus "paranormal". Such phenomena must be denied in order for psychopaths to continue to rule normal humanity.

If you are in fact a psychopath, it is understandable that you would be promoting such a false view of consciousness. Your (and others') statements on the subject amount to little more than gaslighting and "reversive blockading". By stating that consciousness is strictly the result of material processes with such conviction, while denying all evidence to the contrary, you enslave weaker minds to accept your distorted and false view of reality. But this is perfectly normal and natural. As psychopaths lack the capacity for emotions which are necessary for spiritual evolution, it is understandable that they create philosophies of materialism. Unfortunately for normal humans, by accepting these philosophies, they block such possibilities in themselves. The purpose of this forum is to expose those anti-human lies for what they are.

Accepting that the brain IS the mind is like accepting that the Earth is not flat and that it revolves around the Sun instead of the other way around. It will NOT destroy religion; why should what is essentially enlightenment do that? If it hasn't before, it won't now.

Nice try, but this is a paramoralism. The earth is round because there is evidence that it is round. Consciousness is not the result of matter because there is EVIDENCE that this is so. Simply stating the opposite while ignoring the facts is manipulative and is not permitted on this forum.

Of course it's a developmental disability; it's like living locked behind a scrim. I've tried to claw my way through that invisible barrier and cannot. There's always that ineluctable sense of missing at least half the cues that everyone around me responds to. To say nothing about being unable to shiver when I'm cold, night-blindness, being unable to stand up suddenly without passing out because my blood-pressure can't equalize fast enough, having a very limited sense of taste and being almost unable to tell I'm thirsty until I'm getting sick from dehydration. I have no depth perception. I can't hold a pen the right way. I'm typing all this with one finger because it's impossible to type the normal way. People have to repeat instructions to me over and over and unless I see the task done I cannot remember how to do it by words alone. I parrot such instructions until I drive the people around me up a wall, and still I can't remember. Once I see it done I almost never forget it. I know how weird that must seem to you. As a kid I got beaten savagely when those in charge of my care couldn't deal with it any more, the eerie way I made them feel.

And as a kid I used to get so frustrated I'd bang my head against a wall until someone stopped me. I know another person like me who bites her hands and fingers unless someone stops her.

We do have feelings, but they are confusing and unformed, more like what my genius friend terms "proto-emotions".

If you ARE a psychopaths, all of the above is simply a manipulation, a lie, a pity-ploy. You do not care about any of the above and are simply trying to garner sympathy in a manipulative fashion. And it won't work on this forum. But the question is, are you REALLY a psychopath? Or are you just manipulating for a different purpose?
 
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