Putin Considers replacing Visa and Mastercard, Symbolic?

[sacriface]

(In order of appearance)
Dot#1:

Session 16 October 1994

Q: (L) What is the meaning of the number 666 in the book of Revelation?

A: Visa.

Q: (L) You mean as in credit card?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Are credit cards the work of what 666 represents?

A: Yes?

Q: (L) Should we get rid of all credit cards?

A: Up to you.

Q: (L) Would it be more to our advantage than not to disconnect ourselves from the credit system?

A: Isn't just credit also debit.

Q: (L) Is that an affirmative.

A: How are you going to do this?

Q: (L) Well, do you have any suggestions?

A: World will soon have nothing but credit and debit have you not heard of this new visa debit cards this is the future of money as controlled by the world banking system i.e. the brotherhood i.e. Lizards i.e. antichrist.

Dot#2:

Session 22 March 2014

Q: (L) Okay, I guess the question on a lot of people's minds is: How about that Vladimir Putin, huh?

A: He's not perfect but he's the best your planet has in such a position at this time.

Q: (L) So, he's not a psychopath?

A: No.

Q: (Perceval) Is there anyone essentially giving him orders? Is what he's doing being controlled directly in that sense?

A: Not in the sense you mean, but yes in the sense of conscience.

Dot#3:

"Following Western sanctions Putin eyes Russian credit card system to replace Visa and Mastercard

http://www.sott.net/article/276483-Following-Western-sanctions-Putin-eyes-Russian-credit-card-system-to-replace-Visa-and-Mastercard

From the above article:

"In countries such as Japan and China these systems work, and work very well," Putin told lawmakers in televised remarks.
"Initially, they started out solely as national systems limited to their own markets, their own territory, their own population but they are becoming more popular right now."

It's worth noting that this isn't anything new, but given Putin's recent moves and C's remarks, would it not put him doing this in a somewhat different light/context than China and Japan?

and:

Igor Nikolayev, director of the FBK Institute of Strategic Analysis, said creating Russia's own credit card system could take one or two years but it will unlikely be recognised outside the country.

However, if what it could be? Unlikely stands next to mmmaybe..
I know nothing of the mechanics of economy in this case.
How possible, and how possibly feasible would be ditching one system for another, but anyway, that's what noticing this headline brought to my mind.. FWIW.

edit:grammar

 

[Siberia]

One such system actually exists in Russia since 1994 - Zolotaya Korona (Golden Crown): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zolotaya_Korona. The problem is that it is not spread abroad, so it is rather inconvenient to use it for those who travel a lot. Zolotaya Korona cards are accepted to service in 275 cities of Russia, and also in Ukraine, Belarus, Kyrgyzstan, Mongolia and China.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I think that what the C's meant is that our world is ruled by the money. The main symbol of money power is probably Visa. But it actually doesn't matter how you call it: Visa or Golden Crown. We all depend on it, everyone uses this system nowdays.

But I agree with you, it is rather symbolic that Russia is currently opposing Visa :).

 

[Nienna]

Maybe I'm wrong, but I think that what the C's meant is that our world is ruled by the money. The main symbol of money power is probably Visa. But it actually doesn't matter how you call it: Visa or Golden Crown. We all depend on it, everyone uses this system nowdays.

I agree. Or by debt. To me, any credit card is doing nothing but keeping people in debt unless they are able to manage how they use their credit cards. And, from what I understand - which is very limited - creating debt is what creates money for the banksters. The more in debt we are, the richer they are. So any credit card is going to have the same effect, that is, until nobody can repay anything because there just isn't any money to have, but by that time, the economy will have crashed, if not before.

However, as I said, "limited understanding" in financial matters. So fwiw.

 

[sacriface]

Maybe I'm wrong, but I think that what the C's meant is that our world is ruled by the money. The main symbol of money power is probably Visa. But it actually doesn't matter how you call it: Visa or Golden Crown. We all depend on it, everyone uses this system nowdays.

I agree. Or by debt. To me, any credit card is doing nothing but keeping people in debt unless they are able to manage how they use their credit cards. And, from what I understand - which is very limited - creating debt is what creates money for the banksters. The more in debt we are, the richer they are. So any credit card is going to have the same effect, that is, until nobody can repay anything because there just isn't any money to have, but by that time, the economy will have crashed, if not before.

However, as I said, "limited understanding" in financial matters. So fwiw.

So do I, that is why I left the question of feasibility [of changing the system to another], open.

But as Joe and Laura often say: dictatorship, monarchy or any political system doesn't have to be bad as long as it is run by competent people. I think that can apply to the money itself, it's a tool, it could be used to people's advantage as much as it now used to rob them. Only if it is done right. No need for extensive financial/economic knowledge in this case to tell that this would immensely difficult.

Maybe seeing that even as a transient symbolic event in the midst of world affairs is one thing, and seeing it for a possible emergence of a fair financial system a long shot into wishful thinking.. so yep, fwiw.

 

[Nienna]

Maybe I'm wrong, but I think that what the C's meant is that our world is ruled by the money. The main symbol of money power is probably Visa. But it actually doesn't matter how you call it: Visa or Golden Crown. We all depend on it, everyone uses this system nowdays.

I agree. Or by debt. To me, any credit card is doing nothing but keeping people in debt unless they are able to manage how they use their credit cards. And, from what I understand - which is very limited - creating debt is what creates money for the banksters. The more in debt we are, the richer they are. So any credit card is going to have the same effect, that is, until nobody can repay anything because there just isn't any money to have, but by that time, the economy will have crashed, if not before.

However, as I said, "limited understanding" in financial matters. So fwiw.

So do I, that is why I left the question of feasibility [of changing the system to another], open.

But as Joe and Laura often say: dictatorship, monarchy or any political system doesn't have to be bad as long as it is run by competent people. I think that can apply to the money itself, it's a tool, it could be used to people's advantage as much as it now used to rob them. Only if it is done right. No need for extensive financial/economic knowledge in this case to tell that this would immensely difficult.

Maybe seeing that even as a transient symbolic event in the midst of world affairs is one thing, and seeing it for a possible emergence of a fair financial system a long shot into wishful thinking.. so yep, fwiw.

Definitely! Putin and his system, most likely, will be for the better. It's the same with banks. North Dakota's state bank is keeping that state solvent. We need more of these in the US to get other states out of the red. That's something the the Federal Reserve would hate. And, still, a state bank would be a bank, but a much better run (hopefully) bank and one that doesn't hurt the people or the state so it is better. Just as Putin's own credit card system will be much better for his people. It's still a credit card, but it is better for those who will be using it.

I was just saying that a credit card of any kind is still a credit card keeping people in debt. Which it will, but, hopefully, not in such dire straits as a VISA or Master Card with their high interests rates and all.

 

[Siberia]

Maybe I'm wrong, but I think that what the C's meant is that our world is ruled by the money. The main symbol of money power is probably Visa. But it actually doesn't matter how you call it: Visa or Golden Crown. We all depend on it, everyone uses this system nowdays.

I agree. Or by debt. To me, any credit card is doing nothing but keeping people in debt unless they are able to manage how they use their credit cards. And, from what I understand - which is very limited - creating debt is what creates money for the banksters. The more in debt we are, the richer they are. So any credit card is going to have the same effect, that is, until nobody can repay anything because there just isn't any money to have, but by that time, the economy will have crashed, if not before.

However, as I said, "limited understanding" in financial matters. So fwiw.

So do I, that is why I left the question of feasibility [of changing the system to another], open.

But as Joe and Laura often say: dictatorship, monarchy or any political system doesn't have to be bad as long as it is run by competent people. I think that can apply to the money itself, it's a tool, it could be used to people's advantage as much as it now used to rob them. Only if it is done right. No need for extensive financial/economic knowledge in this case to tell that this would immensely difficult.

Maybe seeing that even as a transient symbolic event in the midst of world affairs is one thing, and seeing it for a possible emergence of a fair financial system a long shot into wishful thinking.. so yep, fwiw.

Definitely! Putin and his system, most likely, will be for the better. It's the same with banks. North Dakota's state bank is keeping that state solvent. We need more of these in the US to get other states out of the red. That's something the the Federal Reserve would hate. And, still, a state bank would be a bank, but a much better run (hopefully) bank and one that doesn't hurt the people or the state so it is better. Just as Putin's own credit card system will be much better for his people. It's still a credit card, but it is better for those who will be using it.

I was just saying that a credit card of any kind is still a credit card keeping people in debt. Which it will, but, hopefully, not in such dire straits as a VISA or Master Card with their high interests rates and all.

Well, I would be very glad if our Siberian system (Golden Crown was created in Novosibirsk City, Siberia, where I currently live) or some other Russian company eventually changed the world for the better :).

In my opinion, the best outcome of this 'anti-Visa campaign' might be a stronger financial market competition, so that people wouldn't be restricted by the US monopolism. Today we all strongly depend on the US payment systems and credit rating agencies.

 

[SeekinTruth]

One hope would be that, as the global financial system collapses, there will be an opportunity for Putin's Russia and others with close relations to Putin/Russia to do away with private central banks and issue their own currency without interest - thus no dept and no scam where there isn't enough money supply to pay the principal AND interest.... ADDED: i.e. no everlasting debt paid by taking on more debt.

 

[Siberia]

The latest news on the subject in Russian:

Interfax: http://www.interfax.ru/finances/368390.
Lenta.ru: http://news.rambler.ru/24359961/?utm_source=r02&utm_medium=distribution&utm_content=e01&utm_campaign=a27.

My translation:

Moscow. March 31. INTERFAX.RU – The national payment system can be launched within 6 months after the adoption of the relevant law. German Gref, Head of Sberbank, reported readiness for that to Vladimir Putin at their meeting.

"We discussed this at the counsel of the Central Bank. We need to change a number of the relevant Russia’s regulations which can be done rather quickly. Once we have them changed, I think it will take us from 2 to 6 months of technical work to launch the national payment system in different variants " he said.
Gref says this problem can be solved in a number of different ways, one of them is creating a local hosting between the Russian banks.

"We started creating with other banks the so called local hosting, when all banks would be included in these payment systems, so that we could operate within the country ourselves” he stated. According to Gref, it might take from 2 to 6 months to create the local Russian processing center capable of all and any settlement, clearing and processing services.

"We are absolutely prepared for that, we’ve got the processing center, we’ve got our Russian chip by Citronics, it is certified, we’ve got the ID application and all the standards compatible with the international payment systems. Thusly, as soon as the relevant laws are in place.. We do not consider this as Sberbank system, we are not going to control this company, the Universal Electronic Card. We will propose any willing banks to enter its charter capital. There will be no controlling bank, it will be the company created to conduct all banking transactions" he said.

It sounds more like a shield against the external interference (like sanctions, etc), but maybe eventually it will grow into something bigger, who knows?

 

[sacriface]

The latest news on the subject in Russian:
"We discussed this at the counsel of the Central Bank. We need to change a number of the relevant Russia’s regulations which can be done rather quickly. Once we have them changed, I think it will take us from 2 to 6 months of technical work to launch the national payment system in different variants " he said.

Just after one article about the consideration of such option comes up, Putin has the system about to go in half a year of technical preparation? He is fast ;D

"We are absolutely prepared for that, we’ve got the processing center, we’ve got our Russian chip by Citronics, it is certified, we’ve got the ID application and all the standards compatible with the international payment systems. Thusly, as soon as the relevant laws are in place.. We do not consider this as Sberbank system, we are not going to control this company, the Universal Electronic Card. We will propose any willing banks to enter its charter capital. There will be no controlling bank, it will be the company created to conduct all banking transactions" he said.


It sounds more like a shield against the external interference (like sanctions, etc), but maybe eventually it will grow into something bigger, who knows?

Well, surely the Big Bad Banks aren't going to shift, and I know nothing to tell what mechanism would be at play in case of a more widespread change by other means. But the possibility of a counter-western system is open for everyone is open as it seems from the description

 

[Siberia]

Today's news on the subject:

MOSCOW, April 29, 2014 (RIA Novosti)

National Card Payment System Advances in Russian Parliament

Russian senators approved a bill establishing a national card payment system (NCPS) at a session of the Federation Council on Tuesday.

The ruble sign will become the official mark of the system, which will be formed by the Central Bank of Russia.
Lawmakers have significantly tightened requirements for payment system operators with clearing and settlement centers outside Russia.

Specifically, the law obliges foreign payment systems starting July 1 to make quarterly contributions to a special account in the Bank of Russia in the amount of 25% of the average daily turnover. In addition, penalties are introduced for operators of payment systems for unilateral termination of customer service.
The system would be organized as a joint stock company with 100 percent of the shares owned by the Central Bank. The regulator will retain full control over the clearinghouse for two years after the launch of the system, at which time the Bank of Russia will have the right to sell shares, but buyers cannot accumulate more than a 10 percent stake.

The NCPS strategy will be developed by the Board of Directors consisting of nine members.
...

See: http://en.ria.ru/russia/20140429/189458077/National-Card-Payment-System-Advances-in-Russian-Parliament.html.

Also, as I contemplated above, our Siberian system is to become part of it according to the Moscow Times:

On Wednesday, a Cabinet meeting decided that a new company run by the Central Bank would develop Russia's payment system within 6 months, using technology from existing domestic payment systems, including Universal Electronic Card and Zolotaya Korona {our Novosibirsk-based company}.

See: http://www.themoscowtimes.com/business/article/government-wants-foreign-banks-in-national-payment-system/498418.html.

 

[Kisito]

It's funny because when I watch the news on tv, rating agencies are very positive with Western countries, Greece, Italy, Spain and stabilize the rating of France increases. French newspapers say that the Russian economy and the ruble collapsed. It's funny that the agencies "independent" ratings realize these ratings now. As if they and Western governments were afraid of the fall of their own economy.
As Jesus said about the tax, if the people had to pay tax or not, he said: Give to Caesar what belongs to Caesar. Of course I speak of Caesar, as a title, a nomination.

 

[Chu]

I kind of like the idea of Russia replacing Visa and Mastercard. If nothing else, at least for the principle of it. However, money as used today is still money, and credit/debit cards even worse. So, what the Cs said in the most recent session seems to be the smartest thing to do for those who have money sitting at their bank:

(KJN) What is the status of the money system in the United States? If you have money in the bank, can you leave it there, or should we be doing something more proactive?

A: If you store it with the fox, you will lose it at some point rather soon.

Q: (Odyssey) On the money issue, would it be a good idea to invest in silver or gold?

A: Partly, but what about "needful things"?

Q: (KJN) So we should spend it on things we need now, versus spending it on gold or putting in a bank or that kind of thing?

A: Mostly. Money will soon be worthless, ownership will survive a while longer.

 

[Sol Logos]

With the mark of the beast 666 concept, I was reading recently that the mark was likened to the slave owner permission notes authorised by a wax seal (mark). Slaves had to carry around these with them in Roman times to get from one place to another because a lot of slaves had skilful roles (like bookkeeping or planning etc.) and needed to travel for their masters. Similar to a licences / passports etc. we have to use now.

The mark was a metaphor for being under a substitute authority other than God. So that substitute would be the authority of another man (or woman), or institutions made by man (like Government) for the purposes of man (behaving as gods) - of man, by man, for man .

At the time of writing, John or whomever wrote Revelations would have been quite familiar with the number attributed to man which was 6 (man was created on the sixth day). So the repetition man man man (666) might be directly referring to man made fictional entities that supplant God - i.e. governments / corporations etc.

Being fully taken in by government for example would be observed by how one thinks (forehead) and what one does (hand). So that's probably why the mark was referred to as on the forehead and hand.

It might have something to do with Visa in a general sense given that debt binds people and nations to debtors, put us under authority of made made fictions by degrees of servitude to complete enslavement. I would imagine that usury was a well know means to exert authority and control over communities and nations when revelations was written.

 

[l apprenti de forgeron]

I kind of like the idea of Russia replacing Visa and Mastercard. If nothing else, at least for the principle of it. However, money as used today is still money, and credit/debit cards even worse. So, what the Cs said in the most recent session seems to be the smartest thing to do for those who have money sitting at their bank:

(KJN) What is the status of the money system in the United States? If you have money in the bank, can you leave it there, or should we be doing something more proactive?

A: If you store it with the fox, you will lose it at some point rather soon.

Q: (Odyssey) On the money issue, would it be a good idea to invest in silver or gold?

A: Partly, but what about "needful things"?

Q: (KJN) So we should spend it on things we need now, versus spending it on gold or putting in a bank or that kind of thing?

A: Mostly. Money will soon be worthless, ownership will survive a while longer.

Yea, so seems to be. This replacement would be short-term due to natural changes. But would be symbolically important, if Russia and her partners will create a common currency fast enough. That is, the non-dependence on Western finance. This is not to say that Russia is "the good one". A new currency of Russia and China will bring its own problems (with psychopaths there wanting to have hegemony). And will be, obviously, another financial sts pyramid. But perhaps there are possibilities that on the top of the new pyramid are people with conscience who will open the game a little and let people breathe (obviously it is not the case with "the West").
However, again, It would be for a short term. The financial matter and merely military concerns are part of the same war, perhaps a repetition of the war against the Atlantean empire.

 

[supriyanoel]

I know this is strictly personal, but when I hear this and I just got finished selling my home, it kind of makes mewant to just not worry about the cost of the new one. Just get the needful thing, hopefully in a secure(whatever that means) place with acreage, and think about what I can store that would help as many others as possible. Just buy the necessities that will last a few years, maybe some silver and cash, tobacco etc, and go on living. The timing is kind of crucial and no matter what we know our physical world is what were dealing with. So this stuff about putting money into credit unions or CD's is moot, no? Again its my own little world, but being alone and figuring it out has been daunting. I listen to all of this input that does add new dots to connect, and boy, it's a ride. I have one debit card and it's impossible to escape at the moment. Getting out of all debt to me is important on all levels, and so far I'm almost there, just some paperwork. And a fatter seatbelt.