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I hadn't heard about the Rothschild's money angle in China's rise. Do you have a source for that?

I have read that there was a time there when Kissinger, Friedman and Soros all swept into China. It was close to being the same process of neoliberal gutting and pillage that happened in Russia. Zhao Ziyang was deeply involved with it all. Tiananmen Square failed to provoke the crisis necessary for all this to take place, though. Which lead to many arrests, Soros being banned, and many Chinese operatives being relocated to the West with Operation Yellowbird. Good article about all this:

How China’s Gorbachev Was Flushed in 1989

I think the Chinese state realized how close it had come to another Century of Humiliation, being reduced to a impoverished, polluted labour camp for the Golden Billion. More recently, it looks like Xi has taken pretty significant steps since then to prevent evil taking root:

Steve Bannon and China's deep state -- Sott.net



With over a billion people in the PRC, there's bound to be some psychopaths who are still in silent mode, ready and waiting for conflict once the neocons decide they're finished embarrassing themselves in Ukraine. I would guess that at least some of the Chinese psychopaths have support from elsewhere - either from the elite in the West, from the Rothschilds, Operation Yellowbird pals, or even from underground bases. But as Lobaczewski said, the best medicine for the disease of ponerology is knowledge of its process in the social body. I could be wrong, but it seems to me that the Chinese in 2023 have that, just as Russia does.
Iamthatis,

Yes, chinese ‘miracle’ was based on the desire of anglo-saxon’s/jewish elites to create an opponent to USSR (Mao broke up with Khrushev in 60s on the evaluation of Stalin’s achievements, policies and future development vector). How ironic it turned out.

Here are excerpts from an article:

The Rothschilds and the Chinese economic miracle.

On a sunny June day in 1972, a curious and mysterious guest arrived in Beijing incognito from Hong Kong.

The fact that this inconspicuous citizen was one of the most powerful and influential people in the world was known only by the driver of a large black Chinese-made limousine "Henzi" who met him. This incognito had a name. The name of this citizen was Baron Rothschild.

The car took Baron Rothschild, who made a secret visit to the Celestial Empire, to the somewhat shabby, but still has not lost its gloss, Beijing Hotel.

The hotel was located in the heart of the city, not far from Beijing's main Tiananmen Square. It was built in the early twentieth century specifically for European guests. At the hotel, the baron was to meet with influential Chinese officials.
Including, with Deng Xiaoping, who was in disgrace at that time, and the second person of the People's Republic of China, one of the most likely successors of the Great Helmsman Mao Zedong, the first Premier of the State Council of the People's Republic of China Zhou Enlai.
Shortly before Baron Rothschild's visit to China, National Security Adviser Henry Kissinger also secretly visited Beijing.

A private visit to Beijing, among other things, was made by a representative of the Rockefeller clan. Everyone wanted to draw China into their sphere of influence.

Henry Kissinger after his visit, and on the eve of his visit to China in the sphere of his influences.

Henry Kissinger, after his visit, and on the eve of the visit to China by US President Richard Nixon, told the president literally the following: "... in historical perspective, the Chinese are even more dangerous than the Russians... The United States should use the contradictions of Beijing and Moscow for its own purposes in order to teach the Russians a lesson."

Rockefeller also offered the Chinese to flood them with their dollars as loans. On this occasion, the Chairman of the National Bank of China expressed his doubts about the expediency of using Western banking methods. Because it contradicted the teachings of Marx. It was not Chinese to live in debt then.
And the Chinese comrades understood even then that after financial injections from the Americans, we should expect a political infusion. They didn't need American democracy.

At that time, the Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution proclaimed by Mao Zedong was underway in China. Which was akin to a civil war.

The country was in social chaos, and the economy was in ruins. Nevertheless, the Chinese remained cautious about any assistance from foreigners, and especially the work of Western banking instruments in their country.
The Rothschild clan, which has been competing with the Rockefeller clan for centuries, went the other way. After the Rockefellers untied the dollar from the gold standard, and instead of industrial goods, Americans began furiously printing these unsecured pieces of paper, the Rothschilds realized that sooner or later it would end in financial collapse. And they decided to find a cozy and peaceful harbor where the dollar was not yet in use. They chose China as this harbor.

They were chosen for several reasons at once.

First, cheap labor. Secondly, the attitude of the Chinese to work. No matter what kind of work a Chinese person does, he will work conscientiously, quickly and a lot. And also hold on to your workplace.

Thirdly, the Chinese have never shown much interest in defending their freedoms and other liberal values. They have always treated money with respect, but not fanatically.

Fourth, the Chinese market, with its almost one and a half billion population, was the most capacious on the planet.

That's why the Rothschilds offered the Chinese comrades technological re-equipment of their economy and accelerated technocratic development. The Chinese liked the idea of becoming a global factory, and they clapped their hands.

After that, the Rothschilds opened their headquarters in Hong Kong and Beijing, and gradually began to transfer all their capital and manufacturing business there.

In addition, again, not without the help of the Rothschilds, the markets of the USA and Europe were opened for the Chinese. And a flood of cheap Chinese goods poured in. And only after that, investments began to flow rapidly to China, and the world's largest corporations began to place their production in China.
Ротшильды и китайское экономическое чудо.

P.s. one rhetoric question, why on 1 yuan note there is a David star?!



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From Winter Watch:

Leopard 2 tanks were unable to penetrate Russian tanks protected by dynamic protection Contact-5

Russian tanks, protected by dynamic protection “Contact-5”, proved to be impenetrable for the German “Leopards”.

An accurate hit by a German Leopard 2 tank causes absolutely no damage to any Russian tank equipped with Kontakt-5 dynamic protection elements. The main damage is muted by the armor, however, the integrity of the tank’s structure is not violated. This fact indicates that German tanks of this type will not become a serious problem for Russian combat vehicles protected by such means of dynamic defense as the Contact-5.

Today, in the NMD zone, Russia is actively using modern-style tanks equipped, among other things, with Kontakt-5 dynamic protection elements. This provides a high level of protection for the crews of Russian tanks.

However, experts note that the Armed Forces of Ukraine have already received Challenger 2 tanks and ammunition with depleted uranium for them, the armor penetration of which is much higher.
Depleted Uranium rounds may still not be as effective in many cases.

At the time of the fall of the Soviet Union, tests were made to see the effectiveness of the Kontakt-5 in captured T-72s, the depleted uranium APFSDS rounds fired from M1 Abrams tanks proved ineffective at that time, so American ammunition They were updated from their M829A version to M829A2, later an M829A3 ammunition was developed to face future threats (there is also a fourth version more recently for exclusive use of the M1A2 Abrams variant), in response to this the Russian army created its armor Relikt reagent that replaced the Kontak-5 (which in turn had continued to be updated) which according to Russian tests is said to be 50% more effective than the latter... this armor was standardized in 2006 for all Russian tanks from of the T-72B3, so currently most of the modernized Russian tanks have this armor together with the Kaktus in the turret area (whose details are largely classified), so partly despite the fact that the Russian tanks they continue to have more vulnerable areas, it is propaganda that this ammunition is a very unbalancing element in favor of western tanks in case there are combats between tanks, in fact, despite losing their initial effectiveness, Javelin projectiles are much more effective than tanks (as for the destruction of Russian tanks) due to the fact that they explode in the less armored upper part.
 
Depleted Uranium rounds may still not be as effective in many cases.

At the time of the fall of the Soviet Union, tests were made to see the effectiveness of the Kontakt-5 in captured T-72s, the depleted uranium APFSDS rounds fired from M1 Abrams tanks proved ineffective at that time, so American ammunition They were updated from their M829A version to M829A2, later an M829A3 ammunition was developed to face future threats (there is also a fourth version more recently for exclusive use of the M1A2 Abrams variant), in response to this the Russian army created its armor Relikt reagent that replaced the Kontak-5 (which in turn had continued to be updated) which according to Russian tests is said to be 50% more effective than the latter... this armor was standardized in 2006 for all Russian tanks from of the T-72B3, so currently most of the modernized Russian tanks have this armor together with the Kaktus in the turret area (whose details are largely classified), so partly despite the fact that the Russian tanks they continue to have more vulnerable areas, it is propaganda that this ammunition is a very unbalancing element in favor of western tanks in case there are combats between tanks, in fact, despite losing their initial effectiveness, Javelin projectiles are much more effective than tanks (as for the destruction of Russian tanks) due to the fact that they explode in the less armored upper part.
by the way, the American M829A3 ammunition is very difficult to be seen in Ukraine and I mention it because it is one of the best depleted uranium ammunition in the world, the ammunition of this type used by the Challenger 2 tanks are the L26A1 and L27A1 type with a maximum penetration of 510 mm and 610 mm respectively vs the 700 mm, 750 mm and 840 mm of the M829A ammunition in its different versions.
 
Here are excerpts from an article:
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There is also a Preview icon/button on the right that you can toggle, so you can see how your post will look like.
 
And only after that, investments began to flow rapidly to China, and the world's largest corporations began to place their production in China.
Ротшильды и китайское экономическое чудо.
There is also an ending to the article:
Today, almost two-thirds of all global investment comes from China. China has already become the first economy in the world and is actively fighting for the recognition of the gold-backed yuan as the world's reserve currency. This is how the Chinese miracle was born.

Now China has already begun to dictate its conditions to the Rothschilds.

With the growth of the Chinese economy, the Rothschilds gradually began to lose control over this country. That is why the Rothschild clan became the guardian of Medvedev's liberal government.

No reforms will be made, but something can be squeezed out of these mediocre Medvedev ministers. But that's another topic for discussion...
The last line indicates an older article, the oldest I could find was from June 1, 2017. Btw, Medvedev might not prove a gift for the West. if he comes back: Ex-president warns G7 against banning exports to Russia

Other articles in Russian on China and Rothschild: "Red China-bridgehead of the Rothschilds" Красный Китай-плацдарм Ротшильдов... from 2013.
Also: "China will not be a country of fools for the Rothschilds. But Russia? Китай не будет страной дураков для Ротшильдов. А Россия?.. from 2021.

There is also a pdf book by Katasonov V. Yu.: "Capitalism. History and ideology of the money civilization": Катасонов В. Ю. К Капитализм. История и идеология «денежной цивилизации», which mentions Rothschild, more than times, but not in relation to China, although, there is on p 648-649:
At the beginning of the XIX century, China was a fairly developed country, and, despite the large population, the standard of living of the average Chinese was higher than the average European. China sold its silk fabrics, tea, porcelain to the whole world for precious metals. For many centuries, China had accumulated large amounts of gold and silver. British bankers decided to get hold of these metals, for which they began to force opium, which was produced in British India, on China. Opium was supplied in exchange for gold. This is how the "free market" operated, backed up by the power of the navy and guns. As a result, China "got on the needle", and gold migrated to the vaults of London bankers.
And on page 1055, quoting from a book by Mikhail Bakunin, p 155:
"I am sure that the Rothschilds, on the one hand, appreciate the merits of Marx, and that Marx, on the other, feels an instinctive attraction and great respect for the Rothschilds."
The argument was that Marx's ideology of communism includes a strong central government, and where there is such, there will be a correspondingly strong bank, which is business for bankers.

And from the introduction:
Revealing the destructive foundations of capitalism, V. Yu. Katasonov's book leads the reader to the idea that monetary civilization has brought humanity to a dead end, from which only one way out is possible – a return to the national economy and the destruction of the dictates of world bankers.
 
There is also an ending to the article:

The last line indicates an older article, the oldest I could find was from June 1, 2017. Btw, Medvedev might not prove a gift for the West. if he comes back: Ex-president warns G7 against banning exports to Russia

Other articles in Russian on China and Rothschild: "Red China-bridgehead of the Rothschilds" Красный Китай-плацдарм Ротшильдов... from 2013.
Also: "China will not be a country of fools for the Rothschilds. But Russia? Китай не будет страной дураков для Ротшильдов. А Россия?.. from 2021.

There is also a pdf book by Katasonov V. Yu.: "Capitalism. History and ideology of the money civilization": Катасонов В. Ю. К Капитализм. История и идеология «денежной цивилизации», which mentions Rothschild, more than times, but not in relation to China, although, there is on p 648-649:

And on page 1055, quoting from a book by Mikhail Bakunin, p 155:

The argument was that Marx's ideology of communism includes a strong central government, and where there is such, there will be a correspondingly strong bank, which is business for bankers.

And from the introduction:
Yep, i have seen it. But Medvedev’s government, imo, is the same Russian government. There is no distinction, as soon as he is a ‘talking head’, with Napoleon complex. He was just a ‘window display’ of democracy/pluralism during the so called ‘castling’ (nobody knew about him, neither voted for him). He is the famous ‘liberal’ lightning rod. ‘There is no money, but you hang on (c) -his most remarkable quote etc.
On the other hand, Katasonov, is the very clever, patriotic economist.
 
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There's not much to comment on here. Atrocities on the one hand breed atrocities on the other.
Prigozhin ordered not to take Ukrainian soldiers prisoner anymore
Businessman Yevgeny Prigozhin announced a new tactic of the Wagner PMCs against the Ukrainian military.

The press service of the Concord company published in its Telegram channel an audio recording of the head of the Wagner PMC, businessman Yevgeny Prigozhin. In this audio recording, he stated that the fighters of the Wagner group would no longer capture the Ukrainian military, but instead would destroy everyone on the battlefield. So Prigozhin commented on the information about the shooting by the Ukrainian military of a wounded captured fighter of the Wagner PMCs.

The situation flared up after reports that the Ukrainian military shot a wounded soldier of the Wagner PMC, who was in captivity. In response to this, Yevgeny Prigozhin made a statement about the change of tactics of the Wagner PMCs in relation to the Ukrainian military.

Prigozhin claims that the decision was made after discussion with the command of the Wagner PMCs and it is an integral element of the new action strategy.

The situation has caused lively discussions among political and public figures, as well as representatives of the international community. However, so far there are no official statements by Ukrainian officials in connection with this incident.
Пригожин приказал больше не брать в плен украинских бойцов
Prigozhin said that after the horsemen shot the wounded soldier of the Wagner PMCs who was captured, no one else in Artemovsk would be taken prisoner. They will only kill. In the video, after Prigozhin's words, there is also the same interception of the conversation of the AFU military from 04/23/2023, who decided to shoot the wounded fighter of the Wagner PMCs:
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Bild: AFU left the last positions in the center of Artemovsk

The Ukrainian army has left the last held positions in the center of Artemivsk (Bakhmut), said Julian Repke, a journalist for the German newspaper Bild.

He noted that the Ukrainian army is retreating to the west from the railway tracks.

"Russian troops have already advanced to the west of the tracks and seem to be continuing the offensive," Rossiyskaya Gazeta quotes Repke as saying.

The founder of the Wagner Group, Yevgeny Prigozhin, previously reported that the PMCs fighters during the fighting in the SVO zone destroyed 38 thousand soldiers fighting on the side of the Ukrainian army, 32 thousand of them accounted for Soledar, Artemovsk (Bakhmut) and its environs.

According to Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu, the capture of Artemovsk will allow an offensive deep into the defense of the Ukrainian troops.
Bild: ВСУ оставили последние позиции в центре Артёмовска

The Russian military destroyed the field headquarters of the 58th Motorized Infantry Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine
In the Seversk area, the field headquarters of the 58th Motorized Infantry Brigade of the AFU was destroyed.

The headquarters was located on the territory of the settlement of Serebryanka, located near Seversk. This fact allows us to confirm the information that appeared earlier that the Russian military is actively fighting in this direction and is approaching the storming of Seversk, which will allow leveling the front line in the Donetsk direction.

At the moment, the sources are Air.The Missile defense system has data that the command and observation post of the battalion of the 58th Motorized Infantry Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine was successfully hit. With the use of what kind of weapons is not specified, however, thanks to such actions on the part of the Russian military, it was possible to disrupt the management of the units of the motorized infantry brigade, which in turn will allow for a breakthrough through the positions of the Ukrainian army.

Experts note that Serebryanka and Belogorovka may turn out to be extremely hot spots on the front line in the near future. It is noteworthy that this is happening in parallel with the battles for Artemovsk.
Российские военные уничтожили полевой штаб 58-й мотопехотной бригады ВСУ

Тут и комментировать особо нечего. Зверства с одной стороны порождают зверства с другой.
 
That new action strategy of shooting the wounded is making them as evil as their enemy.
Well, let's comment.
I would advise you to be careful with the words good/evil. If until now you considered the Wagners to be the embodiment of absolute goodness, then I will disappoint you and remind you that in one of the recent comments C's called all participants in the Ukrainian events murderers and suicides.
Unfortunately, I do not know how to work with information as clearly as, say, dear thorbjorn, and I will not be able to find an exact quote now.
Can you call murder good in absolute terms? I can't, but for me personally, Wagners are good, because they do things that someone will have to do anyway and they don't become evil after the statements mentioned. Terrible things in absolute categories, but necessary. Good and evil are always relative, and if you wrote about evil in the absolute, then I can't accept it in any way. If you have written only your personal attitude to this, then I can understand it, but I cannot share this point of view.
What else would I like to say. Prigozhin stressed in his statement that they would not violate the principles of humanity and the rules of treatment of prisoners. There will simply be no prisoners. All opponents will be killed on the battlefield. I do not know how this will happen, and I can only imagine it in the most general terms. What will happen to the same wounded? Will they finish them off on the spot or just leave them to die, and which of this is more humane in this case?

Ну давайте покомментируем.
Я бы вам советовал поосторожнее обращаться со словами добро/зло. Если вы до этих самых пор считали вагнеров воплощением абсолютного добра, то я вас разочарую и напомню, что в одном из недавних комментариев C's назвали всех участников украинских событий убийцами и самоубийцами.
К сожалению я не умею так четко работать с информацией, как скажем уважаемый thorbjorn и не смогу сейчас найти точную цитату.
Вы можете назвать убийство добром в абсолютных категориях? Я не могу, но лично для меня вагнеры это добро, потому что они делают вещи, которые все равно кому то придется делать и они не становятся злом после упомянутых заявлений. Ужасные вещи в абсолютных категориях, но необходимые. Добро и зло всегда относительны и если вы написали про зло в абсолюте, то я это принять никак не могу. Если же вы написали только свое личное отношение к этому, то я это могу понять но не могу разделить такую точку зрения.
Что еще хотелось бы сказать. Пригожин в своем заявлении подчеркнул, что они не будут нарушать принципов гуманности и правил обращения с пленными. Просто пленных не будет. Все противники будут убиты на поле боя. Как это будет происходить я не знаю и могу это себе представить только в самых общих чертах. Что случится с теми же ранеными? Добьют их на месте или просто оставят умирать и что из этого в данном случае гуманнее?
 
If until now you considered the Wagners to be the embodiment of absolute goodness, then I will disappoint you and remind you that in one of the recent comments C's called all participants in the Ukrainian events murderers and suicides
No, I didn't consider them good. For me they were "less evil" (but still not "good").

Can you call murder good in absolute terms? I can't, but for me personally,
I can't either.

Wagners are good, because they do things that someone will have to do anyway and they don't become evil after the statements mentioned. Terrible things in absolute categories, but necessary.
I cannot imagine finishing wounded as necessary, but my imagination may be lacking.

What else would I like to say. Prigozhin stressed in his statement that they would not violate the principles of humanity and the rules of treatment of prisoners. There will simply be no prisoners. All opponents will be killed on the battlefield. I do not know how this will happen, and I can only imagine it in the most general terms. What will happen to the same wounded? Will they finish them off on the spot or just leave them to die, and which of this is more humane in this case?
Not finishing someone gives that person chance to survive (even if chance is slim) or chance to speak their last words to their family.
 
I cannot imagine finishing wounded as necessary, but my imagination may be lacking.
Not finishing someone gives that person chance to survive (even if chance is slim) or chance to speak their last words to their family.
You are trying to slip into some kind of discreteness here, but discreteness is appropriate, in my opinion, only with a first name, last name (in terms of SMO at least a call sign), specific circumstances.
Speaking of necessity, I mean the crazy degree of "flashing" the brains of Ukrainian society with aggressive Nazi ideology, which I could not imagine, although I had some reason to think that I more or less imagine what is happening there. Given that most likely the Russian forces will have to restore order in a large part of the territory of Ukraine, the question arises - what to do with all these people? Will we be able to "receive" their brains back to the point where they no longer pose a threat? This necessity is caused by Russia's security issues. No matter how harsh and cynical it may sound, I think that the fewer active carriers of this ideology remain during the fighting, the less any kind of repression will be at their end.
We'll have to think about free will later.

Вы здесь пытаетесь скатиться в какую то дискретность, но дискретность уместна, по моему, только с именем, фамилией(в условиях СВО это хотя бы позывной), конкретными обстоятельствами.
Я же, говоря о необходимости, имею ввиду ту сумасшедшую степень "прошивки" мозгов украинского общества агрессивной нацистской идеологией, которую я не мог себе представить, хотя имел некоторые основания думать, что более-менее представляю, что там происходит. Учитывая, что скорее всего порядок на большой части территории Украины придется наводить российским силам, возникает вопрос- что делать со всеми этими людьми? Сумеем ли мы "перепрошить" их мозги обратно до того состояния, когда они перестанут представлять угрозу? Эта необходимость вызывается вопросами безопасности России. Как бы жестко и цинично это ни звучало, я думаю что чем меньше останется активных носителей этой идеологии в ходе боевых действий, тем меньше всякого рода репрессий будет по их окончании.
О свободе воли придется подумать попозже.
 
Interesting, is Lu Shaye just trolling? He suggests that no former Soviet Republics have any sovereignty as nations. He was responding to the question of whether Crimea is part of Ukraine


Lu had been asked whether he considered the peninsula of Crimea, which was annexed by Russia in 2014, part of Ukraine under international law.

“Even these ex-Soviet Union countries do not have effective status, as we say, under international law because there’s no international accord to concretise their status as a sovereign country,” Lu said.

Lu’s comments appeared to brush aside the sovereignty of countries, including ironically Russia, that formally recognised each other after the Soviet Union’s dissolution and are represented at the United Nations and in European security organisations.

Asked if Crimea was part of Ukraine, he said the answer depended on one’s position, and it was not so simple.

He added: “There is a history here where Crimea was originally part of Russia. It was Khrushchev who offered Crimea to Ukraine during the period of the Soviet Union”.

I guess he is technically correct as the process of determining a sovereign nation is very ambiguous, but this has not been the official Chinese position so far.

Later on in the article there is some comment on Brazil. Lula 'forced' to make strong criticism of Russia while in Portugal, but then demonstrating a clear understanding of the situation after meeting with Xi Jinping and, later, Lavrov:

In a related development, Brazilian president, Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva, on a visit to Portugal was forced to make some of his strongest criticisms of Russia’s invasion, after appearing to be entirely neutral in the conflict on a visit to China last week.

In Lisbon, he said: “The war should not have started. Russia should not have invaded, but it did. The fact is that it happened. So instead of choosing sides, I want to find a third way, the construction of peace.” Ukrainians protested outside the Brazilian embassy in Lisbon calling Russia a terrorist state.

Last weekend, Lula said Europe should stop supplying arms to Ukraine since it was prolonging the conflict, a position that would leave the aggressor and victim treated in the same way. He made his remarks shortly after visiting China’s president, Xi Jinping.

The Brazilian president, offering himself as a peace broker, met the Russian foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, in Brasília last week but has never met any senior Ukrainians. Lavrov has praised Lula for “his clear understanding of the genesis of the situation”.
 
I disagree that there is nothing to comment.
I find it very cruel to not take prisoners. That new action strategy of shooting the wounded is making them as evil as their enemy.

There may be more to the story still. How likely is it that this is the first incidence which Prigozhin has seen of Wagner fighters being killed rather than captured? Why now is he announcing a new strategy which could only show Wagner PMC in a bad light? I think it's aimed at influencing the remaining Ukrainian soldiers in Bakhmut who are faced with the decision to either evacuate against orders, or fight on (facing death or capture). Prigozhin is nudging them to abandon their positions, because the only alternative is death. I think the timing of his statement suggests this, given the situation Ukrainian forces are now facing in the city.
 

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