Putin Recognizes Donbass Republics, Sends Russian Military to 'Denazify' Ukraine
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Lyndi
Jedi Master
MY MISTAKE, Adminstrator help? I used the link to my Gmail for posting link to Simplicius the Thin, and direct everyone to this link instead!
Prigozhin's Siege Ends - Postmortem Analysis
Prigozhin is like Prigozhin, but SMO continues.
I usually do not publish such videos, but in this case, the non-trivial, but still sad fate of the Caesar ACS is interesting.
Well, where are we without our sworn "friends"? A long-known logic: the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
Российские войска успешно отразили атаки ВСУ, попытавшихся воспользоваться ситуацией в России
ВСУ опубликовали фотографии с подбитыми немецкими танками Leopard
I usually do not publish such videos, but in this case, the non-trivial, but still sad fate of the Caesar ACS is interesting.
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Well, where are we without our sworn "friends"? A long-known logic: the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
США пытались оказать вмешательство в ситуацию в России, манипулируя санкциями в отношении ЧВК "Вагнер"
Пригожин как пригожин, но СВО продолжается.
Я обычно не публикую подобные видео, но в данном случае интересна нетривиальная, но всё равно печальная судьба САУ Цезарь.
Ну и куда же мы без наших заклятых "друзей"? Давно известная логика: враг моего врага-мой друг.
Я обычно не публикую подобные видео, но в данном случае интересна нетривиальная, но всё равно печальная судьба САУ Цезарь.
Ну и куда же мы без наших заклятых "друзей"? Давно известная логика: враг моего врага-мой друг.
Can you write them out here, for the benefit of others who don't have 2 hrs to watch the whole thing?
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Olivierlejardinier
Jedi Council Member
From Simplicius' latest article, a summary sort of, there's many details skipped but you get the idea...
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Nuclear Falseflag on Zaporozhye NPP Heats Up + Major Wagner Updates and More
Simplicius The Thinker
25 June 2023
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The situation can only be considered urgent as Ukraine has now made their full intentions crystal clear. If before we suspected with high confidence, now it is plain fact. They intend to destroy the ZNPP plant as a last ditch attempt to ‘activate NATO’ by blaming Russia.
A completely coordinated campaign over the last few days has affirmed this. Not only was Budanov’s maiden speech after reappearing from his Kalibrated cranial trepanation centered on Russia’s alleged ‘mining of the ZNPP’ basement, but now several new instances of highly coordinated messaging have been released by Ukraine and its Western controllers.
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What can one say, the West’s leaders are clearly psychopathic. They have already destroyed a major pipeline in the Nordstream in an obvious terrorist attack and now they are planning one on Europe’s largest nuclear power plant.
Ukrainian presidential advisor Podolyak added to the orchestrated release with his own statement, slowly conditioning the narrative that Russia is losing its grip on Energodar and will blow the plant to “stop the Ukrainian counter-offensive”.
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By the way, it should be mentioned that the IAEA reportedly released a statement denying Budanov’s claims, so that will be interesting to watch. Despite the agency’s corruption perhaps they’re not entirely suicidal and psychopathic:
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But as far as the ZNPP: The only question that remains is when would they do this? Are they desperate enough to already enact such a plan, or is this a warning, and they’re saving it for much later when things get really terminal for the AFU?
It can partly be interpreted as a threat against NATO/EU as well, because it’s Zelensky and the SBU’s way of basically using nuclear blackmail to beg for more assistance. In short, saying, “If you don’t help us win, we’ll have no choice but to blow the plant and force you into WW3 against Russia.”
It’s difficult to know the answer, but one thing that’s certain is that things are getting critical for the AFU in terms of overstretching fronts. They’ve suffered grave losses in the southern direction, and now they’re being unexpectedly stretched in the north Kharkov region, for which they’re reportedly sending large amounts of patchwork reinforcements.
To highlight this, news came a couple days ago that Ukraine is calling for a mass-scale mobilization throughout the entire country. Some have mistaken this for a mobilization only in the Ivano-Frankovsk region, as a document from that region was being circulated. But in fact, the link above confirms it’s for every region, they just each release their own separate documents. The new mobilization appears to give 10 days for all males over the age of 18 to report to their nearest recruitment office.
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Interestingly, Lithuanian president released these words:
"In the event that Yevgeny Prigozhin and the Wagner PMC appear on the territory of the Republic of Belarus, they will have to strengthen the entire eastern flank of NATO - Lithuanian President Nausėda"
So it’s very possible that Wagner’s presence will in fact give them the false pretense to launch their expected coup attempts. This follows other reports on this tack:
"Belarusian opposition Kalinouski Regiment announced it is preparing for active operations against Lukashenko against the backdrop of the rebellion in Russia, adding that their units are waiting for the green light.
As well as:
️ The KGB of Belarus knows Western intelligence officers who are preparing militants to seize power.
Such activities are carried out in Poland, Ukraine and the Baltic countries, but the department has the ability "to eliminate this threat in a timely manner," said Konstantin Bychek, deputy head of the Investigation Department of the State Security Committee of Belarus."
By the way, speaking of Wagner, yesterday’s siege is now said to have utilized only 8,000 of Wagner’s 25k+ men. Here are a few other interesting new details:
Out of the 32,000 personnel of the PMC "Wagner", only 8,000 participated in the "rebellion." They were told that they are defending Belgorod under the backdrop of "protecting border areas", from there, Prigozhin and his uninformed men marched on Voronezh. The furthest the convoy reached was Tula Oblast. The men of the PMC "Wagner" were mislead.
Employees of the PMC "Wagner" have already begun signing contracts with the Ministry of Defense, under which, they will work similarly to how they previously did. The Commanders of PMC "Wagner" did not side with their financer, Prigozhin. In total, 33,000 personnel are expected to sign contracts with the MOD.
Employees who I spoke to confirm this information
️Mash claims that several dozen fighters of PMC "Wagner" troops surrendered to the police during the withdrawal from Rostov-on-Don and other regions. They reportedly “did not want to return to their own, and handed over their weapons.”
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Which leads me to this next analyst’s take. It may be long but very powerful, so please read it. Pay particular attention to the very plausible theory that Prigozhin staged all the lies about ammo in order to secretly stockpile ammo for the very task of taking the Kremlin, not to mention the stunning angle that he specifically waited for this very moment to strike just when the Russian army would be at its most bogged down during the AFU’s offensive:
"Prigozin tried to size power. He prepared for this for months. He lied about the amount of ammo provided so he can stockpile for his coup. He waited for the offensive to start, so all the Russian army is concentrated on stopping the enemy. Then he struck.
He spread the news that the Russian army is collapsing - because that is what he wanted, a retreating Russian army and a nation looking for some one to blame. If the defensive lines were rolled up, we all would have been outraged here, and many people would be thinking whom is responsible. In this situation, Prigozin steps in and leads his Wagner heroes to stabilize the nation. A saviour. A man that rescues the day.
But the Russian army held. As the Ukrainian hordes struck, the Russians fought, dug in, and refused to retreat or break. The airforce worked around the clock. The intelligence was good and high ranking Russian generals were in the forward observation posts exactly where the Ukrainians attacked, commanding the battle and the defense. Russian reinforcements were ready, they countered where needed and the Ukrainains were smashed. Again and again.
So why start a coup?
Pregozin was already committed. He was afraid of leaks from his people, he was afraid the Russian FSB would smell him out. So he had to move. He had to start his grotesquerie. He struck at the precise moment when all the fatherland defenders were holding back the enemy. Behind their backs. He made that fake video. Some stupid trampled forest that was supposed to be a missile strike, but the forest was green and not scorched. Another missile strike was presented, but the crater was not round, but a square. With 2 fires lit up at the bottom of the square. It convinced almost no one.
But at this point there was no turning back for Prigozin.
He spread the information about a pogrom on the front lines. that the Russian army had lost enormous territory that the Ukrainians were advancing and winning. That the truth is being hidden from the Russian people - a disaster was happening!
We were confused, we could not understand why he would say things like this. Some believed he is just emotional, some that he has PTSD. but the viper was working according to his plan. He struck . His men were already in the back of the RUssian army, they moved to size the Russian command center in Rostov-on-Don and the airfields. Then they moved north to Moscow. Fast. Wagner had done this many times in Africa. Size power, move quickly, take key objectives under your control. overrun the capital. Have government people and institutions join your side.
But no one rallied to Pregozin cause. The millitary refused to side with him. Unit after unit repudiated what he was doing. The Police in Rostov refused to go on his side. The governors of the regions did not join his side. The intel services refused to participate in this. The politicians refused to side with the snake. Khadirov refused to support him and instead sent units to retake Rostov by force if need be. Not one opposition party joined the coup.
Without any support Prigozin played his last card. No more violence in exchange for the safety of his skin. He would call Wagner off if his hide is protected. That is whom Pregozin is. He was not emotional or with PTSD or because he had a beef with one or another Russian general.
He is just a villain."
Quite an interesting take, no?
I do sympathize with the idea that in many ways this debacle proved the strength of the Russian state, simply because it showed unity like never before.
In fact, something very interesting is happening inside Russia. There is an energy, a vitality and solidarity that’s rising like never before. People are animated with a renewed sense of purpose, patriotism, and love for their country."
Ravintsara
Padawan Learner
From the Financial Times
Russian warlord Yevgeny Prigozhin is still facing charges for his armed insurrection despite the Kremlin promising the charges would be dropped, according to state media.
Ria Novosti, Russia’s main state news service, cited a source in the prosecutor-general’s office as saying the charges had not been dropped. Kommersant, a Russian business newspaper, also reported that the FSB, Russia’s main security service, was still investigating Prigozhin and said “not enough time has passed to take another decision.”
Prigozhin has not been seen or heard from since he drove away from the southern army headquarters his Wagner militia briefly took over on Saturday.
Russian warlord Yevgeny Prigozhin is still facing charges for his armed insurrection despite the Kremlin promising the charges would be dropped, according to state media.
Ria Novosti, Russia’s main state news service, cited a source in the prosecutor-general’s office as saying the charges had not been dropped. Kommersant, a Russian business newspaper, also reported that the FSB, Russia’s main security service, was still investigating Prigozhin and said “not enough time has passed to take another decision.”
Prigozhin has not been seen or heard from since he drove away from the southern army headquarters his Wagner militia briefly took over on Saturday.
The question of payment of the Russian soldiers and volunteers
There are some bumps in the road, as there often are, when big enterprises are undertaken, if not acknowledged they become bigger problems later.
Checking the input on TG from Igor Strelkov, led to a repost, and finding the source, Vladislav Shurygin (Ramzai), a military journalist, led much later to a response from a State Duma deputy of United Russia. Elena Panina, Doctor of Science in economics who is or was a Director of the Institute of International Political and Economic Strategies - RUSSTRAT
Vladislav Shurygin received a letter from his friend saying that there are issues of payment of the volunteers.
Ramzai
The post was read by Elena Panina (TG), (her Russian Wiki) who commented:
There are some bumps in the road, as there often are, when big enterprises are undertaken, if not acknowledged they become bigger problems later.
Checking the input on TG from Igor Strelkov, led to a repost, and finding the source, Vladislav Shurygin (Ramzai), a military journalist, led much later to a response from a State Duma deputy of United Russia. Elena Panina, Doctor of Science in economics who is or was a Director of the Institute of International Political and Economic Strategies - RUSSTRAT
Vladislav Shurygin received a letter from his friend saying that there are issues of payment of the volunteers.
Ramzai
Here is a letter I received from my old comrade, who volunteered for the front in early spring. I publish the whole letter as it is. Uncut. Because the topic of payments and endless deception of soldiers has, frankly, got me!
"Vladislav, hello!
Now we, the volunteer fighters of the 31st airborne assault brigade, are being retrained in Omsk. The soldier's need forced me to write. Despite all the assurances of the high command and the orders of the president, we are still stupidly not paid money! Many have received nothing at all in the last two months! Others, including me, received only the required salary (in my case, 36500+), and the fighting has not been paid to anyone at all, although they officially guaranteed at least 204 thousand to an ordinary soldier, and this despite the fact that we have already fought on the front line, and now we are regularly listed on our own as part of all that the same 31 DSHB. They promised to transfer payments first on June 6th, then they said they would close everything by June 20th, but they didn't get a damn thing! The information has passed that now, perhaps, the money will be transferred before July 10. But by this time we will all be on the front line again and who the hell will know if the money has fallen or not, because there is no connection there and there are no ATMs there either. In short, they fool everyone's heads. The guys are angry. Many, I repeat, have not received anything at all in two months. Well, you can't do this to us!
In general, deception on the part of the Ministry of Defense is just in the order of things! I'm a volunteer. He came to the military enlistment office. They met me there, patted me on the shoulder, said: you will sign a contract and immediately receive 195 thousand rubles of one-time support from the Ministry of Defense. But, after signing, when I had already passed all the commissions, in the last office at the assembly point on Yablochkov in Moscow, I was informed with a smile that I would not receive this money, since I have a contract for 11 months, and in order to get them, I need a contract for more than a year. I was indignant – why didn't they tell me right away? I am ready to sign for two years! But they answered me, still with the same smile, that I was over 50 years old and according to the law, only a "short" contract is signed with such age volunteers - up to a year, so I'm free, soldier! Forget about the money! I asked why the military enlistment office does not talk about this? But they just shrugged their shoulders, saying that the military enlistment office has a recruitment plan. Why would they tell the truth? Just like in the movie "DMB": "Ciao, Pinocchio! My name is Sebastian Pereira, a merchant of ebony..."
Later, when I asked other Muscovites of my age, they also told me that they were lured by such a payment in military enlistment offices, and after signing the contract, they simply confronted Yablochkov with the fact. In short, from the very beginning people are fucked, sorry for my French...
but that's not all. Even those 80% of guys who have contracts for more than a year did not receive this payment. A concrete example is my partner - a contract for two years and has not yet learned this starting payment. Moreover, he did not receive a salary, and there are no fighting!
We communicate with guys from other parts as well. The same thing is happening there. The Ministry of Defense, in my opinion, has completely lost its nose, I am generally silent about conscience. Usually, this ends badly…
The guys, to put it mildly, are dissatisfied and many are ready to write reports. Everyone is worried about their families. A riot is brewing here. I'm watching everything and I really don't like it. In the meantime, after receiving the order to go back to the SVO zone, two fighters from our company just sent everyone to fuck and went home..."
After the Wagner military mutiny, is this the only thing we lack? And we are jumping! So far, our leaders have not realized all the consequences of what happened. (Рамзай) But the 'Wagnerian' march on Moscow, in fact, tabooed the topic of military riots. And it's extremely dangerous! It's time to restore order in the army, finally!
Russian
"Владислав, привет!
Сейчас мы, бойцы добровольцы 31 десантно-штурмовой бригады находимся на переучивании в Омске. Написать заставила солдатская нужда. Не смотря на все заверения высшего командования и распоряжения президента нам по-прежнему тупо не платят деньги! Многие за последние два месяца не получили вообще ничего! Другие, в том числе и я, получили только положенный оклад (в моем случае 36500+), а боевые до сих пор вообще никому не выплатили, хотя официально гарантировали минимально 204 тысячи рядовому, и это при том, что мы уже провоевали на передовой, и сейчас штатно числимся на СВО в составе всё той же 31 ДШБ. Обещали перечислить выплаты сначала 6-го июня, потом сказали до 20-го июня всем все закроют, но ни хрена ничего не получили! Инфа прошла, что теперь, возможно, перечислят деньги до 10 июля. Но к этому времени мы все снова будем на передовой и хрен там кто узнает, упали деньги или нет, потому что связи там нет и банкоматов там тоже нет. Короче, морочат всем головы. Парни озлоблены. Многие, повторюсь, вообще ничего не получили за два месяца. Ну нельзя так с нами!
Вообще обман со стороны Минобороны это просто в порядке вещей! Я доброволец. Сам пришёл в военкомат. Меня там встретили, похлопали по плечу, сказали: подпишешь контракт и сразу получишь 195 тысяч рублей единовременной поддержки от Минобороны. Но, после подписания, когда я уже все комиссии прошёл, в последнем кабинете на сборном пункте на Яблочкова в Москве мне с улыбкой сообщили, что я эти деньги не получу, так как у меня контракт на 11 месяцев, а что бы их получить нужен контракт более чем на год. Я возмутился – почему сразу не сказали? Готов подписать и на два года! Но мне, всё с той же улыбкой, ответили, что мне за 50 лет и по закону с такими возрастными добровольцам контракт подписывается только «короткий» - до года, так что свободен, солдат! О деньгах забудь! Я спросил, почему в военкомате не говорят об этом? Но там только плечами пожали, мол, у военкомата план по набору. Зачем им правду говорить? Прямо как в фильме «ДМБ»: «Чао, Буратины! Меня зовут Себастьян Перейра торговец чёрным деревом…»
Позже, когда спрашивал других ребят москвичей моего возраста, они также рассказывали, что в военкоматах завлекали такой выплатой, а на Яблочкова, после подписания контракта, просто ставили перед фактом. Короче, с самого начала людей наебывают, пардон за мой французский...
Но и это ещё не все. Даже те 80% парней, у кого контракты на сроки более года, не получили этой выплаты. Конкретный пример мой напарник - контракт на два года и до сих пор не поучил этой стартовой выплаты. Мало того, и зарплату не получил, и боевых нет!
Мы общаемся и с парнями и из других частей. Там тоже самое творится. Минобороны, по-моему, совсем нюх потеряло, про совесть вообще молчу. Обычно, такое плохо заканчивается…
Парни, мягко говоря, недовольны и многие готовы писать рапорта. Все переживают за свои семьи. Здесь бунт назревает. Я наблюдаю за всем и мне это очень не нравится. А пока, после получения приказа снова убыть в зону СВО, два бойца из нашей роты просто послали всех на хер и уехали домой..."
После военного мятежа «Вагнера» нам только этого не хватает? А ведь допрыгаемся! Пока ещё наши руководители не осознали всех последствий происшедшего. (https://t.me/ramzayiegokomanda/3091)Но «вагнеровский» марш на Москву, фактически, растабуировал тему военных бунтов. И это крайне опасно! Пора в армии наводить порядок, наконец!
The post was read by Elena Panina (TG), (her Russian Wiki) who commented:
Let's hope some of the issue find a resolution.
Perhaps he was told that if he stepped a foot back in Russia, he would be arrested and charged.
When I was at school in the 80's, there was an incident close to where I lived. A certain general started to gather forces to march on the capital for a coup. The capital knew about it and they let him gather his forces (including tanks and aviation) to know who's who. It is only at the last minute that they crushed his "insurrection" and arrested all prominent supporters, military and civilian. All we heared was explosions and nothing in the press. Circumstances in Russia are different of course. Whether planned or resulting from an unexpected opportunity, maybe it's a good thing to let your internal enemies reveal themselves at some point, because traitors are more dangerous than foreign enemies, and often the paranoia of not knowing whom to trust within your group can be very destructive. It's all a matter of timing.
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