Putin Recognizes Donbass Republics, Sends Russian Military to 'Denazify' Ukraine

[Laura]

As they say, who would doubt it! Completely unbridled creatures, corrupted by the permissiveness of the "defenders of democracy".

СБУ взяла на себя ответственность за убийство Кириллова, пишет NYT

Spoiler: Russian spelling

Как говорится, кто бы сомневался! Окончательно распоясавшиеся твари, развращенные вседозволенностью "защитников демократии".

I guess we can expect some spectacular reaction from Russia pretty soon. There is usually a delay of a few days or a week or so, while the targets are selected...

 

[mabar]

I guess we can expect some spectacular reaction from Russia pretty soon. There is usually a delay of a few days or a week or so, while the targets are selected...

Russia just launched ballistic missiles onto Kiev, it is not specified what type and, these are some videos that are emerging.

 

[Joe]

These are satellite images of the impacts of the first use of "Oreshnik". Not as dramatic as some might have expected/projected.

Explainer here

Yuzhmash and Oreshnik Demystified

 

[N1mTzo]

These are satellite images of the impacts of the first use of "Oreshnik". Not as dramatic as some might have expected/projected.

It took them a whole month (since the impact) to publish low-quality photos (like from Google Street) and say that Oreshnik is worthless. Okay, I believe them (no).
PS I see black roofs of buildings (burnt), but GREEN trees are growing next to them. The trees are not burned by the temperature and not destroyed by the shock wave. How can this be?

 

[youlik]

So what has been my key observation? First of all, they come in all shapes and sizes - fat, thin and everything in between. There is some ethnic diversity, some that look Chinese but are russian - someone said Kazakhs perhaps? The thing though that surprised me is they aren't different from western Europeans, they like to have a good time. Drink, party etc etc.

I sincerely and heartily congratulate you on these amazing discoveries.
In 2018, when the football championship was held in Russia, there were a lot of messages of this kind from representatives of different countries who visited Russia. These strange people seemed genuinely surprised that in Russia they walk on two legs, and not on their ears, that during their stay in Russia they did not see a single horse troika, which would be controlled by a brown bear with a balalaika and that no one robbed them with a knife to their throat. There were such messages even here on this forum and then I replied, if my memory serves me right, to an American in the sense that it was time to stop looking at Russians as Martians.
The problem of Russian nationality and Russian citizenship has existed since Soviet times. In those days, the same Kazakhs, once outside the borders of the Union, immediately became Russians. Now, of course, Kazakhs cannot be Russian by nationality, but they can still be Russian by citizenship. In addition to the Kazakhs, who now have an independent Kazakhstan, there are about 150 different nationalities and peoples living in Russia, and all of them there, in Thailand, will be Russians.
If any person answers the question "where did you come from?" that he is from Tuva or Buryatia, then no one will understand him, because few people in the world know what Tuva or Buryatia is, and these people are Russians by citizenship, not Russians at all, but pure Asians are closer to the Chinese. After relatively recent events, I think that a few more people know about the existence of Chechnya and Chechens, but almost no one in the world still knows about the existence of Ingushetia or Dagestan neighboring Chechnya.

Now let's get back to the current topic.

Putin suggested that the West try to shoot down the "Oreshnik" over Kiev
On December 19, 2024, Russian President Vladimir Putin commented on Western experts' criticism of the latest Russian Oreshnik weapons system. According to him, statements about the possible vulnerability of the system indicate only the inability of the West to compete in the high-tech sector.

"Why does Oreshnik have such a name? Honestly, I don't know," Putin said during his speech, humorously answering a question about the name of the system.

However, his further statements dealt with more serious topics.

"If Western experts think so [that the Oreshnik can be shot down], then let them offer us and those who pay them in the West to produce a high-tech duel of the XXI century. Let them identify targets in Kiev, concentrate air defense and missile defense systems there, and we will strike," the president said.

This statement was a direct challenge to Western countries, which continue to criticize Russian developments while simultaneously increasing their own efforts in the field of missile defense.

The Oreshnik system is supposedly the latest technology in the field of strategic weapons, combining high maneuverability, protection from interception and the possibility of an accurate strike. Official data on its characteristics remain classified, which arouses interest and skepticism in the West.

Criticism of the system by Western experts was met by Putin with obvious sarcasm. His proposal to hold a "duel" indicates confidence in the technological advancement of Russian developments and the ability to compete with NATO in the field of strategic weapons.

Путин предложил Западу попытаться сбить "Орешник" над Киевом

It remains to walk 8 kilometers and the Yekaterinoslav province of the Russian Empire can be incorporated into the Russian Federation.

Selidov direction: Russian troops 8 kilometers from the border with the Dnipropetrovsk region
In the Selidov direction, Russian troops continue offensive operations, providing flanks for the group bypassing Pokrovsk from the south and southwest. According to data from the front, yesterday was marked by important tactical successes that bring Russian units closer to the borders of the Dnipropetrovsk region.

An important achievement was the capture and consolidation of positions in the settlement of Novovasilevka. This made it possible to bypass the APU's defense line in the Sandy area and strike at the flank, which significantly weakens the enemy's position in this area.

At the same time, the battles for Novoolenevka and Ukrainka continue. Russian troops managed to oust Ukrainian units, and, according to military analysts, the outcome of these battles is already a foregone conclusion.

The offensive in the Selidovsky direction fulfills a key task — it ensures the stability of the positions of Russian troops in the Pokrovsky direction. Successful actions in this sector of the front contribute to the overall dynamics of the advance, as well as create prerequisites for further operations deep into the territory of Ukraine.

According to the latest data, about 8 kilometers remain to the borders of the Dnipropetrovsk region. This fact indicates that the Russian army is approaching strategically important borders, which may become an important stage in changing the operational situation.

Селидовское направление: Российские войска в 8 километрах от границы с Днепропетровской областью

The answer is still without the use of Oreshnik.

The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation named the targets of a group strike on objects in Ukraine

Among the targets hit are the control center of the Security Service of Ukraine and the Luch Design Bureau in Kiev, which designs and manufactures Neptune missile systems and ground-launched cruise missiles of the Olkha MLRS

The positions of the Patriot anti-aircraft missile system were also hit.

The strike was carried out with high-precision long-range weapons. As emphasized in the Ministry of Defense, the goods have been achieved, all facilities have been hit.

This strike was a response to the attack by the Armed Forces of Ukraine with ATACMS and Storm Shadow missiles at a plant in the Rostov region, the department noted.

Recall that on Friday morning, an air alert was announced throughout Ukraine. Then came a series of powerful explosions in Kiev.

The city authorities reported damage and fires in several areas, without specifying what exactly was affected.

Минобороны РФ назвало цели группового удара по объектам на Украине - Российская газета

Spoiler: Russian spelling

Я искренне и от души поздравляю вас с этими потрясающими открытиями.
В 2018 году, когда в России проходил чемпионат по футболу, было очень много сообщений подобного рода от представителей разных стран, побывавших в России. Эти странные люди, кажется искренне, удивлялись тому, что в России ходят на двух ногах, а не на ушах, что за время пребывания в России они не увидели ни одной конской тройки, которой бы управлял бурый медведь с балалайкой и что никто не грабил их, приставляя нож к горлу. Такого рода сообщения были даже здесь, на этом форуме и я тогда отвечал, если мне память не изменяет, американцу в том смысле, что пора бы перестать смотреть на русских, как на марсиан.
Проблема Русского по национальности и Российского по гражданству существует еще со времен СССР. В те времена те же казахи, оказавшись за границами Союза, немедленно становились русскими. Теперь конечно казахи не могут быть Русскими по национальности, но по прежнему могут быть Российскими по гражданству. Помимо казахов, у которых есть теперь независимый Казахстан, в России живет около 150 разных национальностей и народов и все они там, в Тайланде будут русскими.
Если какой-нибудь человек, на вопрос "откуда вы прибыли?", ответит, что он из Тувы или из Бурятии, то его никто не поймет, потому что мало кто в мире знает, что такое Тува или Бурятия, а эти люди по гражданству Россияне, по национальности совсем не русские, а чистые азиаты, ближе как раз к китайцам. После относительно недавних событий, я думаю, что несколько больше людей знают о существовании Чечни и чеченцев, но о существовании соседних с Чечней Ингушетии или Дагестана по прежнему почти никто в мире не знает.

Теперь вернемся к текущей теме.
Осталось пройти 8 километров и Екатеринославскую губернию Российской Империи можно будет включать в состав Российской Федерации.
Ответ пока без применения Орешника.

 

[SOTTREADER]

I sincerely and heartily congratulate you on these amazing discoveries.
In 2018, when the football championship was held in Russia, there were a lot of messages of this kind from representatives of different countries who visited Russia. These strange people seemed genuinely surprised that in Russia they walk on two legs, and not on their ears, that during their stay in Russia they did not see a single horse troika, which would be controlled by a brown bear with a balalaika and that no one robbed them with a knife to their throat. There were such messages even here on this forum and then I replied, if my memory serves me right, to an American in the sense that it was time to stop looking at Russians as Martians.
The problem of Russian nationality and Russian citizenship has existed since Soviet times. In those days, the same Kazakhs, once outside the borders of the Union, immediately became Russians. Now, of course, Kazakhs cannot be Russian by nationality, but they can still be Russian by citizenship. In addition to the Kazakhs, who now have an independent Kazakhstan, there are about 150 different nationalities and peoples living in Russia, and all of them there, in Thailand, will be Russians.
If any person answers the question "where did you come from?" that he is from Tuva or Buryatia, then no one will understand him, because few people in the world know what Tuva or Buryatia is, and these people are Russians by citizenship, not Russians at all, but pure Asians are closer to the Chinese. After relatively recent events, I think that a few more people know about the existence of Chechnya and Chechens, but almost no one in the world still knows about the existence of Ingushetia or Dagestan neighboring Chechnya.

Now let's get back to the current topic.

Путин предложил Западу попытаться сбить "Орешник" над Киевом

It remains to walk 8 kilometers and the Yekaterinoslav province of the Russian Empire can be incorporated into the Russian Federation.

Селидовское направление: Российские войска в 8 километрах от границы с Днепропетровской областью

The answer is still without the use of Oreshnik.

Минобороны РФ назвало цели группового удара по объектам на Украине - Российская газета

Spoiler: Russian spelling

Я искренне и от души поздравляю вас с этими потрясающими открытиями.
В 2018 году, когда в России проходил чемпионат по футболу, было очень много сообщений подобного рода от представителей разных стран, побывавших в России. Эти странные люди, кажется искренне, удивлялись тому, что в России ходят на двух ногах, а не на ушах, что за время пребывания в России они не увидели ни одной конской тройки, которой бы управлял бурый медведь с балалайкой и что никто не грабил их, приставляя нож к горлу. Такого рода сообщения были даже здесь, на этом форуме и я тогда отвечал, если мне память не изменяет, американцу в том смысле, что пора бы перестать смотреть на русских, как на марсиан.
Проблема Русского по национальности и Российского по гражданству существует еще со времен СССР. В те времена те же казахи, оказавшись за границами Союза, немедленно становились русскими. Теперь конечно казахи не могут быть Русскими по национальности, но по прежнему могут быть Российскими по гражданству. Помимо казахов, у которых есть теперь независимый Казахстан, в России живет около 150 разных национальностей и народов и все они там, в Тайланде будут русскими.
Если какой-нибудь человек, на вопрос "откуда вы прибыли?", ответит, что он из Тувы или из Бурятии, то его никто не поймет, потому что мало кто в мире знает, что такое Тува или Бурятия, а эти люди по гражданству Россияне, по национальности совсем не русские, а чистые азиаты, ближе как раз к китайцам. После относительно недавних событий, я думаю, что несколько больше людей знают о существовании Чечни и чеченцев, но о существовании соседних с Чечней Ингушетии или Дагестана по прежнему почти никто в мире не знает.

Теперь вернемся к текущей теме.
Осталось пройти 8 километров и Екатеринославскую губернию Российской Империи можно будет включать в состав Российской Федерации.
Ответ пока без применения Орешника.

Thank you for your wonderful insights @youlik. I shared my experiences on this thread in the hopes of getting your thoughts.

 

[mantle]

And thus another slice of propaganda message is delivered to sway the opinion of those who receive it . Virtual propaganda at that. Photographs... can't you see them ? What is wrong with your eyes ?
Not 90% but a hundred% of all information about Russia is either fake or a scam or a hundred% biased in the West.
It has been fully in charge of PR control since the start of the Third World War [ Libyas atrocity].
Therefore , Oreshnik cannot be given any veracity by the West.
Putin knows this. That is why he laid down the gauntlet.

It took them a whole month (since the impact) to publish low-quality photos (like from Google Street) and say that Oreshnik is worthless. Okay, I believe them (no).
PS I see black roofs of buildings (burnt), but GREEN trees are growing next to them. The trees are not burned by the temperature and not destroyed by the shock wave. How can this be?

 

[Julia]

So I'm not sure where to put this. Is this the right thread? Over the last few days I have been surrounded by Russians and I thought it'd be interesting to share some observations. No, I have not been to Russia, instead, I have visited Thailand, Phuket. I would say Russians make up the majority of western tourists here now. The hotel I'm staying in is mostly Russian and I visited another which was again Russian. On the streets, mostly Russian. A lot of russian digital nomads around too - young people who live here and work digitally.

Ignore the headline linking this to the war - intention is to show that the island is satured by Russians now.

Half a million Russians arrived in Phuket in six months. Now, there is growing resentment

On the holiday island of Phuket, an influx of Russians buying property and setting up their own businesses is driving up prices and driving a wedge between the new residents and Thai locals.

www.abc.net.au

So what has been my key observation? First of all, they come in all shapes and sizes - fat, thin and everything in between. There is some ethnic diversity, some that look Chinese but are russian - someone said Kazakhs perhaps? The thing though that surprised me is they aren't different from western Europeans, they like to have a good time. Drink, party etc etc. They are very proud - I couldn't help but think of Americans. . You know that feeling you get when you run into a bunch of Americans and they are being loud and dominating the space? Yup, that exact feeling. At some point I was thinking to myself - what would I prefer, a world ruled by Americans or Russians? My answer was neither .

I got a death stare from one earlier in a fancy resort which we were visiting for the day. Clearly it dawned on them that some amongst the huge crowd were clearly not Russian - walking past this lady, I got one of those cold Siberian death stares. I tried a smile perhaps in the hope this would portray that just because I wasn't Russian didn't mean I was an alien but alas, that death stare was unbreakable - felt like something out of Siberia.

So this is a direct report from a local taxi driver. We got on a taxi from one end of the island to the other - about one hour trip. The taxi guy was quite chatty and could speak English well enough for us to be able to communicate. In amongst the discussion was what he thought of tourists from different countries. I specifically asked him about Russians and he proceeded to start complaining. These are his words, not mine, he said they were rude and complained about some russian tourists being stingy on the fare like they agree a fee at the beginning of the ride and then at the end they knock off a percentage which results in an argument. Anyways, my impression is the Thai locals may not have a favourable view.

In any case, it's interesting being surrounded by so many Russians - just being an observer out here.

Oh my God, I was reading and laughing!It turns out that we are also Europeans, we eat, drink and have fun!I've been to Phuket 2 times, Thais cheat tourists, maybe that's why Russians are rude to them.Siberian frosts in the eyes - it's very funny!The most interesting thing is that if something had happened to you, this crowd of Russians would have started saving you, then treating you, and then they would have taken you to their house and put you to sleep!Come to Russia if you want to get to know Russians, you will be surprised by a lot more!

 

[taratai]

Now now. Don't let it get to you what SOTTREADER wrote about Russians in Thailand.
The truth is simply what it is, and in this case, the truth can be summarised in one word:
tourists

Ask anyone living in a place that lives of tourism, and you should hear more or less the same thing: how much they hate those &$@% tourists. Loud, boisterous, uncultured, they litter and thrash everywhere, desacrate local traditions, yet behave as if their ways are superior. Human flood that blocks the city and raises prices of everything. A literal invasion.
And then, when they're done tarnishing their place of visit, they vanish, leaving a trail of destruction (either physically or spiritually, and sometimes both). Mindless consumerism to take a bite of the world for themselves, and then return back to their safe and boring daily routine, bragging to their collegues what wonderful places they've been to!

Does not matter if it's from Russia or US, UK or China, the type of people that feel the appeal of mass-tourism is the same.
That's the gift of globalism. We're all living in America, and eventually, everyone starts displaying the worst charecteristics of it.

 

[lilies]

These are satellite images of the impacts of the first use of "Oreshnik". Not as dramatic as some might have expected/projected.

Explainer here

Yuzhmash and Oreshnik Demystified

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Without tactical ranges - seeing the destruction at scale, which is critical, these photos are misleading laypeople. Also its contested in same articles' comment section that these images are simply regular war damage since 2022.

These photos of unknown missile damage taken at an unknown time - despite what original poster Amerikanets requested from the satellite companies - versus WHAT two large photos + JSON file he was actually given [about what and when??]. Since there is war in Ukraine and frequent large missile and traditional bombardments have happened especially targeting industrial sites since 2022, but still here are 'the photos' at scale:

As you can see distances keep getting larger:

With Joe's post included, here is just one of the buildings on G**gle Streetview. See how large and strong and massive Soviet-built 'Anti-Nuke Concrete' just one of these buildings is?

These test missiles were empty? Did they contain gravel or metal scraps or aluminum powder, etc.. ?
Very good comments:
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Regan Howard
Regan's Durbar
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Mike Mihajlovic has some interesting insights at his site. I think what I've seen so far dismisses too readily the effects of kinetic impacts as trivial (see Postol's work although I understand how he got to his conclusion). It's reasonable to think that based on 1st order physics, and that the impactor converts on contact into a ball of plasma, but it's misleading.

It doesn't take into account the detailed penetration dynamics of solids at Mach 10 and the resulting shock generation. Also unaccounted for is the combined impact of multiple shock generators on underground structures.

The key technology that the Russians apparently have is something that is solid at 4000 C. This is not unreasonable. There are known ultra-high temperature ceramics in that regime (e.g. hafnium carbide).
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@Regan Howard

Really, HfC? And at only a density of about 11g/cc... Who would think of using such a light material! (Guilty).

(Also, HfC starts to oxidize in atmosphere at rather low temperatures, below 500° C?)

I've learned a lot about aerospace heat shielding, friction heat dissipation & reduction, exotic ceramic/heat shield technologies, material properties and engineering of composites for reentry bodies fabricated with same these last days. Wish it were towards a more constructive end, can't we get back to exploring our solar system soon?
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I don't get how people are so surprised by this claim of 4000C, as if astronauts haven't been returning from 2-3x the speed and remained uncooked. It's just ablative shielding, it prevents the payloads from even reaching that temperature...2.

You'd argue wrong because this Oreshnik lacked a warhead and thus did not have explosive (just kinetic power). Normally it would carry the equivalent of a FAB 300. Imagine 36 FAB 300s falling on a target at once with supersonic speeds.

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ScipioAfricanus
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No. It is not "more economical" with traditional means - reason being that it 1) cannot be shot down and 2) is high precision without being an ICBM 3) can penetrate hardened Soviet buildings

Traditional means are less high precision, cannot penetrate hardened structures and can be shot down

4. Doesn't help. IMO Putin mentioned weapons based on "New Principles of Physics" years ago. Surely Russian military scientists know, how to deliver a 5000km range missile and then make it behave to go sharply up then come down to maximize hypersonic kinetic destruction.
He does:

Barry Taylor
Barry’s Substack
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Well written and informative. As noted, the plant is known to have multiple layers below ground level. Without access to inspection, I doubt we will ever know the true extent of the damage.

Hopefully the next test will be somewhere honest people can look at the aftermath and publish what they find.

It is disgusting the way the West is deriding and ignoring all warnings.

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FALSE IMAGES suggestion: means this is just regular war damage done since 2022:

Meteorologist
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The author probably did not pay attention to the abundantly green trees in the pictures? All November in Ukraine the air temperature was within +7-2 Celsius. Do you know what trees look like in November in Ukraine?

There was wet snow on 11 November Антициклональное масштабное поле сменит мокрый снег: какая погода будет в Украине 12 ноября.

After such weather the frozen leaves just fall to the ground.

This is how the trees looked in Dnipro a month earlier on 19 October

@avtosfera.dnepr auf Instagram: "Мероприятие #caraudicompetition 19/10/24 Часть 2 Больше фото-видео отчёта в телеграм"

You seem to have been deceived by false images from early October 2024.

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Another one maybe a reaction to #5:

Libra74
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complete nonsense and lies in this investigation... Yuzhmash was also bombed earlier and the photos were taken from early attacks, but the author of the investigation did not take into account the condition of the trees and the color of the foliage on them, you are being fooled and misled... have critical thinking !!!

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Comment section is critically missing initial opinions then professional evaluations of material scientists, military engineers, physicists and mathematicians calculations.

 

[lilies]

'So until more strikes will be done by Oreshnik at NATO sites in multiple countries, this time with real warheads, then we will hear the outraged MSM reports about the real effects of Oreshnik.

Countless times almost all of us witnessed what we request = full disclosure - anticipated FOIA requests - VERSUS what we get. This includes requesting any data or serious work from civilian energy or satellite or any service provider corporations. Life experiences tell us, these corporations don't really care about the accuracy, proper dates stamps and quality of our requests in a lot of cases and same corporations only start to care, when 1. we complain, 2. We threaten to sue.

Then they start to actually care about giving us properly date stamped, technically accurate, engineer-technician-verified data.

Until that happens, this is just a regular civilian guy's report about what he requested versus what he got.
From (A) an actual war zone, (B) full with tactical military secrets, (C) Classified by involved countries and laws, in an information environment, where (D) secret service / NSA Five Eyes see everything, note everything, see through your cameras and even know your browser history..