Putin Recognizes Donbass Republics, Sends Russian Military to 'Denazify' Ukraine

[Alreadyin4thDensity Love]

Do you really think the Deep State had nothing at all to do with the collapse of the USSR and the pillaging of Russia in the 90's?
1991 Soviet coup attempt - Wikipedia

Of course, but that is their job, to be evil and to do things that lead to domination and self gain for them.
But Russians and their political leadership was stupid enough and ignorant enough to allow themselves to just let everything go and wither away without doing pretty much anything.

How many Russians died in ww2 so that 45 years later some idiots destroy everything that was gained with blood of millions ?????

They could transition to limited capitalism and simply dissolve Warsaw pact if they did not like it but under written agreement with NATO that none of these states enters NATO later on, not some verbal fairy tale promises. However problem was not in other members of Warsaw pact but in USSR !

It's not a mistake, and it's been discussed a lot already. I read this article by Orlov a few years ago when people were loudly complaining that there was no Hollywood 'shock and awe' takeover of Ukraine. Russia's strategy has been effective for a number of reasons:

- reducing Ukrainian civilian casualties and Russian military casualties

I agree that Russians probably did not inflict big civilian casualties in Ukraine, however it does not mean that it would be much more civilian casualties if they took capital and more-less whole country in 2 months. It would probably be much less and that is why I was more in favor of short and decisive war and I believe that if they took capital and eastern part of the country, not long after Ukrainian political leadership would probably sue for peace, whether with Zelensky or without him.

- more time for the internal reorganization of Russia, in particular economically, by import substitution and increasing self-sufficiency

This can be done even without war, if you need war to reorganize your economy and increase self-sufficiency than I guess something is wrong with you unless you want to reorganize your economy into war economy.

- more time to demilitarize and de-Nazify not just Ukraine, but all of NATO as well, drawing them in and destroying materiel and personnel

So in order to "demilitarize and de-Nazify" should we kill 1 million of Ukrainians, many of whom probably never wanted to be mobilized to go to war and let's radicalize their children and rest of the country for the decades to come to be thirsty of revenge instead of taking over whole country and finishing the job in 2-3 months without much bloodshed, shall we ???

When it comes to NATO, NATO has :

- Stronger airforce than Russia and way more airplanes (USA alone has more airplanes and of higher quality in my opinion)
- Stronger navy than Russia (USA alone has stronger stronger navy)
- About the same amount of nuclear weapons when we combine USA, UK and France together vs Russia (Russia a little bit more but NATO has more deployed) List of states with nuclear weapons - Wikipedia
- Land forces are probably around the same on paper except tanks but they aren't that much important today, NATO obviously has bigger pool of manpower in case of war.

- gives time for Russians to test their new weapons, both for their own benefit and also for potential customers
- the longer it goes on, the more insane the West looks in the eyes of the world, giving Russia more opportunity to make and maintain connections and lay the groundwork for the multipolar world

Weapons can be tested even without war !

In the world everyone looks it's own interests, no matter how West (political leadership of NATO + Israel and few other countries) seems insane or how many people they kill countries like UAE or Saudi Arabia or Egypt are going to lick USA and Israeli boots if it brings them benefits even if they kill their own Arab people.
It is similar with India, they are always going to look for their own interests vs China which is normal and leverage and use their relationship with the West if it means they will invest in India and help develop their economy. India does not need Russian oil or weapons, they can buy UAE oil or Saudi oil or Kuwaiti or Iranian oil and they themselves are nuclear power and they do not really need to buy too many weapons from others if they can produce their own and they can.

So let's blame Russia for being attacked? Seems like nonsense to me. Russia is not perfect, but has handled a difficult situation - which is a child of Western imperialism much more than Russian political failure - quite well.

I am not blaming Russia from being attacked, it is normal, it is war ! I do blame them for not ending the war in 2022 as well as now for not not attempting to end this war quicker right now !
This situation is Russian political failure, Russians brought problem upon themselves by self destructing themselves in 1990s, by dissolving of Warsaw pact as well as USSR when there was 0 % need for all of that.
They could simply gradually introduce capitalism like China, where state would still own the biggest and most profitable companies as well as natural resources like mines.
Destruction of Warsaw pact and USSR as it happened in 1990s, as it happened in the way it happened is similar to me coming to your house and telling you that you that you do not need it and it is better for you to give it to me and that you would be better of living in the tent in the forest and you accepting that.

Even more precisely it is very similar to me and you both having flat in the city and house on the coastline, and I come to you and tell you that you would be better off to leave house on the sea and never come again while I tell you that I will not take her over either !

 

[axj]

I agree that Russians probably did not inflict big civilian casualties in Ukraine, however it does not mean that it would be much more civilian casualties if they took capital and more-less whole country in 2 months. It would probably be much less and that is why I was more in favor of short and decisive war and I believe that if they took capital and eastern part of the country, not long after Ukrainian political leadership would probably sue for peace, whether with Zelensky or without him.

Ukraine did sue for peace within a month but was told by its Western handlers to continue the war. And I think you underestimate the number of both civilian casualties as well as military casualties if Russia took Kiev in the beginning. Whether it would have 'decapitated' Ukraine is also more than questionable, since the leadership would have fled the city.

At the same time, concentrating troops on the storming of Kiev would have allowed Ukraine to fortify positions in the regions that Russia now holds - including the land connection to Crimea.

As to the USSR, Gorbachev was indeed naive and Putin agrees that the dissolution of the USSR was not only unnecessary, but a geopolitical catastrophe. Keep in mind that China's success is partly based on learning lessons from the mistakes of the reforms in the USSR that led to its dissolution.

 

[Ricardo]

Dissolving USSR , at least curtailed western influence in what was til then a long-standing formal structure of power , and allowed for a more balanced traditional society , at a cost of course ( fwiiw).

 

[Alreadyin4thDensity Love]

Ukraine did sue for peace within a month but was told by its Western handlers to continue the war. And I think you underestimate the number of both civilian casualties as well as military casualties if Russia took Kiev in the beginning. Whether it would have 'decapitated' Ukraine is also more than questionable, since the leadership would have fled the city.

At the same time, concentrating troops on the storming of Kiev would have allowed Ukraine to fortify positions in the regions that Russia now holds - including the land connection to Crimea.

I heard about that, however without Kyiv no matter what west or NATO tell Ukraine it is almost pointless to fight, after that you can only expect to lose more and more, similarly like happened in France in WW2. Of course unless Poland or Baltic states were willing to help and in my opinion they certainly were not in 2022 especially when we take into consideration that Russia looked like giant in first 2-3 weeks.

Point is when I say that Russia should have gone all in is that I mean that they probably should have announced full mobilization and send in way more soldiers.

There should have never been battle of Kyiv because it is pointless if you are superior, it should be encircled and than it is likely to fall, similarly as Germans did to Kyiv in 1941 or what Germans did to Paris in 1870-1871.

After capital of any country is taken things usually go much easier. Prolongation of war, which right now lasts 3,5 years only provided opportunity for Western political elites to use Ukraine as battering ram against Russia and laugh as Slavs kill Slavs.

 

[axj]

Point is when I say that Russia should have gone all in is that I mean that they probably should have announced full mobilization and send in way more soldiers.

Full mobilization would have taken months and at that time it would have also risked instability in Russia itself.

After capital of any country is taken things usually go much easier.

Really? Russia itself is a good example: Napoleon took Moscow and still lost the war. I don't think that Kiev is that critical for the Ukrainian military capabilities. And as I said, taking Kiev would have meant not quickly taking many of the territories that Russia holds now.

Prolongation of war, which right now lasts 3,5 years only provided opportunity for Western political elites to use Ukraine as battering ram against Russia and laugh as Slavs kill Slavs.

I don't think that Western elites are laughing now and neither has their battering ram strategy worked against Russia. In fact, it seems likely that the EU and NATO face dissolution in the coming years.

 

[Alreadyin4thDensity Love]

Full mobilization would have taken months and at that time it would have also risked instability in Russia itself.

Oh really ??? In WW1 when there were no tanks or trucks just railways and horses German army mobilized, crushed Belgium, reached Paris and almost took Paris in about 30 days.

Really? Russia itself is a good example: Napoleon took Moscow and still lost the war. I don't think that Kiev is that critical for the Ukrainian military capabilities. And as I said, taking Kiev would have meant not quickly taking many of the territories that Russia holds now.

When Napoleon took Moscow it was not capital city but Saint Petersburg was capital. Also when Napoleon took city he was pretty much destroyed because he lost most of his army during summer and had only about 100 000 soldiers left and than he decided to turn back because he had no chance do much else, Russia did not sue for peace because they were in stronger position.

Napoleon had chance to take Russia to her knees if he acted in different way but that is another topic.

I don't think that Western elites are laughing now and neither has their battering ram strategy worked against Russia. In fact, it seems likely that the EU and NATO face dissolution in the coming years.

I agree with that to some extent.

 

[axj]

Since Trump increased tariffs on India and threatens to increase them even further if India continues buying Russian oil, Indian oil companies have apparently stopped or paused imports of Russian oil (according to Reuters).

Contrary to the Reuters "sources", India will not stop buying Russian oil:

India to still buy oil from Russia despite Trump threats, say officials

No pause on Russian imports by Indian oil firms who base decisions on ‘price, grade of crude, logistics and economic factors’

www.theguardian.com

 

[Evan]

The whole purpose of it being a Special Military Operation was to get them to the table and it was successful. Documents were initialed. After the western interference they did ramp up their military. But the fact is that they didn’t want Kiev. They have never wanted govern a society of Russia haters. They don’t want to be responsible for their welfare or their lives. All they’ve wanted was to protect the Russian speaking population of the east which Kiev was oppressing and bombing. Russia has always won by attrition of the enemy, not by land grab. Just as they are now. However, they are now in the process of shifting it from a Special Operation to a War on Terrorists. That means they can ramp up everything (and even includes taking out the leadership). It’s an entirely different thing. So wait and see. It’s going to be more like a war for those who feel it’s been too tame.

 

[Vulcan59]

The capture of 3 British 'tourist' now being confirmed by George Galloway.

 

[Evan]

The capture of 3 British 'tourist' now being confirmed by George Galloway.

I certainly agree he said, except for one thing. I was offended when he compared Trump with our beloved, recently departed Ozzy Osbourne. Bad form George. Just plain disrespectful.

 

[youlik]

Unfortunately, I do not know where the universe from which 4D inhabitant wrote to us begins and ends, but all his thoughts, in my opinion, fit into the old Russian proverb: "in hindsight , all the pits are full" or "All the holes are filled with hindsight" or, as they say in modern Russia: "everyone around (in this case, the Russians) are долбоебы (read fools)-I'm the only D'Artagnan."

I'll give you one example that I think will be geographically close. Never mind that we allowed the expansion of NATO, but the deployment of American supposedly anti-missile bases in Poland and Romania is a direct threat, bearing in mind that both anti-missiles and fully attack missiles can be loaded into universal launch containers. So, in the proposed logic, Russia should not listen to openly false explanations about the orientation of these missile systems against Iran, North Korea and anyone else, but simply extinguish this activity with some "Voivode", "Poplar", "Yars", etc. and then representatives of various "universes" there would be a reaction, as in the following joke: "one Ukrop says to another: Mykola, let's go slaughter the Muscovites. He answers: So they'll cut us up too. And then the first one is genuinely surprised: Wow! And why should we be slaughtered?!"

The joke is about Ukrops, but it concerns not only Ukrops at all.

Spoiler: Russian spelling

Я, к сожалению, не знаю где начинается и где заканчивается вселенная, из которой нам написал представитель 4D, но все его мысли, на мой взгляд, вписываются в старую русскую пословицу: "задним умом все ямы полны" или, как говорят в современной России: "все вокруг (в данном случае русские) долбоебы (читай дураки)-один я Д'Артаньян".
Приведу один пример, который мне кажется будет географически близок. Бог с ним, что мы допустили расширение НАТО, но размещение американских якобы противоракетных баз на территориях Польши и Румынии это прямая угроза, имея ввиду то, что в универсальные пусковые контейнеры могут быть загружены, как противоракеты, так и вполне ударные ракеты. Так вот в предложенной логике России не следовало бы слушать откровенно лживые объяснения о направленности указанных ракетных систем против Ирана, Северной Кореи и еще кого бы то ни было, а просто погасить данную активность какой-нибудь "Воеводой", "Тополем", ""Ярсом" и т.п. и тогда у представителей различных "вселенных" была бы реакция, как в следующем анекдоте:"один хохол говорит другому: Мыкола, пойдем москалей резать. Тот отвечает: Так они нас тоже резать станут. И тут первый искренне удивляется: А нас то за что?!"
Анекдот про хохлов, но касается он совсем не только хохлов.

 

[EmeraldR]

Back in June 2025, internationally recognized former British Diplomat Alastair Crooke predicted Russia's current response to Ukraine's bomber attack, and gave a grave warning to Trump about the dangers of sabotaging peace.

 

[EmeraldR]

aplogies I meant to add that he (alastair crooke) mentions a recent personal visit to St Petersberg and conveyed his observations of the peoples feeling in Russia in relation to what is ocurring in relation to the west/eu/ukraine position - something I find alot of folk are ignorant about is that back in the 1990s people in russia were more or less starving and having to wait in long lines to get bear essentials such as bread to survive and that these factors were a result of western policies and tactics - they have not forgotten that and neither have they forgotten the fact what happened to them in the Great Patriotic war- Since the 90s Russia has great resilience in building up the nation to where it is now and in the last decade- that is clear to see from anyone who has bothered to research this truth - So I can understand their feelings currently .Theres alot of good context in this video ,which for me helps to understand Russias position currently and the fact that they are solid and direct in their no nonsense approach.

 

[mantle]

And does anyone wonders why Moloch moved to the West ?
Fantastically large human sacrifices have been promised to him by our Western leaders.
These leaders since the most ancient times have always been satanists , Ba'al worshippers
and have always demanded blood sacrifice , whether its Christ's crucifixion or wars which their immense power of their purse pays for.
Spewing your fiery ultimatums Trump , that is whom you serve.

 

[mantle]

" Trump should'n think that the video archive of his past immoralities is only
in Mossad's hands ".
[ Dimitri Medvedev.]

Some wit commented : " As if to say From Russia with love."