Putin Recognizes Donbass Republics, Sends Russian Military to 'Denazify' Ukraine
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Key Donbass city surrounded – Wagner chief
"Yevgeny Prigozhin has called on Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky to allow Kiev’s forces retreat from Artyomovsk""In a video apparently shot on the outskirts of the city, the Wagner chief personally addressed Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky, telling him that the Donbass city has been encircled and that there is now only one road left out of the city."
“The pincers are closing shut,” announced Prigozhin."
"He added that previously the Wagner group had been fighting a professional Ukrainian army, but is now instead coming across more and more old men and children. “They are fighting, but life in Bakhmut is short. A day or two,” Prigozhin said."
"The Wagner chief urged the Ukrainian president to allow them to leave the city as the camera pans to what appear to be captured Ukrainian soldiers. Among them is a man with a long gray beard and two very young-looking men."
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Key Donbass city surrounded – Wagner chief
Ukrainian troops should be ordered to retreat from Artyomovsk which is now surrounded, says Wagner chief Prigozhin
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Rod Stewart says: “If the Ukrainians lose it’s the end of civilization as we know it.”and: "Watch as Rod Stewart outlines his support for Ukraine and calls for F-16 fighter jet ground support:"
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Rocker Rod Stewart: 'If the Ukrainians Lose It's the End of Civilization as we Know It'
Veteran rocker Rod Stewart has no doubt about what outcome of the Ukraine-Russia war would most benefit humanity, telling an interviewer "If the Ukrainians lose it's the end of civilization as we know it."
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As Olaf Scholz heads to Washington - alone with no press and no business sidekicks as per normal - to receive his orders on sanctions on China, this front page from Stern says it all: 'The Big Brother is Back'.... it seems Germans now enjoy being perpetually humiliated.
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Okay, I must respond cause I simply cannot understand all these "celebrities" asking for these idiotic demands on what is going on.
and: "Watch as Rod Stewart outlines his support for Ukraine and calls for F-16 fighter jet ground support:"
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Rocker Rod Stewart: 'If the Ukrainians Lose It's the End of Civilization as we Know It'
Veteran rocker Rod Stewart has no doubt about what outcome of the Ukraine-Russia war would most benefit humanity, telling an interviewer "If the Ukrainians lose it's the end of civilization as we know it."
First, his statement “If the Ukrainians lose it’s the end of civilization as we know it.”
According to an online dictionary:
Civilization: the stage of human social and cultural development and organization that is considered most advanced,
- the process by which a society or place reaches an advanced stage of social and cultural development and organization.
- the society, culture, and way of life of a particular area
- A civilization is any complex society characterized by the development of the state, social stratification, urbanization, and symbolic systems of communication beyond natural spoken language. (Wikipedia)
Does he believe that saying this statement will influence the outcome? Does he believe that civilization consists of him and his kind only? I wonder, has he ever attended a WEF conference? Does he have stakes and dealings with VZ? Did he invest in those assets that VZ has sold? Is he an intimate pal of VZ? Why is it that these "celebrities" do not have an education at all? That is what the Western world has produced: fashionable and flashy people whose only talent is to sell their wares on middle class people who support their questionable intelligence and education which in turn produces great results in magnificent revenues! Wow, something to be proud of, isn't it? We are fighting for our lives and our right to live while they are fighting for their privileges and their money!
I suppose being a really rich person who frequents the nepotists and neo colonist portion of the UK must have possibly influenced him greatly. How many times did he marry? Three? Four? Does he actually have an education at all? I fear he probably does not. And who buys his records? The middle class who want to escape their dreary existence by listening to his love songs or questionable taste in company! (he does have a few good songs and i did not bother to check out his biography either cause, truthfully, i don't care)
When your home is in danger, or your family living or anyone from a child to a pet, you defend it with your life. What would he do if the UK was in danger from bombardment or if an army would show up at his door? He would flee! Being rich allows him that privilege. But his next door neighbor who cannot escape would try to defend it even if it meant his life. Would Rod understand the stance that his neighbor is going through? Would he try to help out? I venture a guess he would not care. He has his money and his celebrity status while his neighbor has his own home, a certain living he needs to look after for his family and self esteem. That is the difference between a real human being and an imaginary one! The Rod Stewarts of this world are not real! I wonder what he will do when he leaves this plane: will his soul recognize what he has done in this life? Will he change? Is he a souled human or something else?
The West is a civilization of adoring fans toward celebrities who possess the brains of idiots. No value, no substance, no personality, uneducated, privileged, shallow to the core adoring the green backs! Roman living and values revisited!
I like this line from Robin Hood, Prince of thieves ( i know it is not a realistic nor very historical movie, but i still like it):
"I've seen knights in armor panic at the first hint of battle. And I've seen the lowliest, unarmed squire pull a spear from his own body, to defend a dying horse. Nobility is not a birthright. It's defined by one's actions."
The Anglo-Saxons have always used, for their wars, artists, singers and comedians, to support their malodorous propaganda. I guess it's either that or no work at all. They are artists who have no conscience and no compassion for others, egocentric, ignorant. Hollywood makes these kinds of monsters. During the Second World War how many went to support the poor soldiers, the cannon fodder, to distract them from death and from the infernal and diabolical machine in which they participated, the war. During the Vietnam war too. It's really pathetic.
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Those called to the way of the psychopath do not always do it with the support of their families. They'd better be sure before punishing family members.Chechen leader Ramzan Kadyrov, commenting on what happened in the Bryansk region, called for the families of the saboteurs to be "held accountable" if they are in Russia.
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Le chef de la Tchétchénie Ramzan Kadyrov, commentant ce qui s'est passé dans la région de Bryansk, a appelé à "faire rendre des comptes" aux familles des saboteurs si elles se trouvent en Russie. «Il est nécessaire de traiter tous les participants à la sortie dans la région de Bryansk de la...t.me
"It is necessary to treat all participants in the outing in the Bryansk region in the most severe, harsh and even cruel way possible. Shoot to kill. Not only to deal with them, but also to bring to justice their families, who may live in Russia. Check them carefully and thoroughly. Experience shows that without their cooperation, leniency and approval, such terrorist acts do not happen.
Furthermore, Kadyrov considered the incident as a good reason for the introduction of martial law in a number of regions.
They are Nazis. What can you expect of them?
Hi_Henry
The Living Force
and: "Watch as Rod Stewart outlines his support for Ukraine and calls for F-16 fighter jet ground support:"
Video:
Article:
Rocker Rod Stewart: 'If the Ukrainians Lose It's the End of Civilization as we Know It'
Veteran rocker Rod Stewart has no doubt about what outcome of the Ukraine-Russia war would most benefit humanity, telling an interviewer "If the Ukrainians lose it's the end of civilization as we know it."
God I wish these "intellectuals" would just stay in their recording studios.
@hlat, Sorry, I was confused. But the way this man talks, even if he is not Ukrainian, is a Nazi way to talk. So you are right in your comment.
There is a fine red line, in war, I think so, where everything is gray and the horror is everywhere. Even good guys can say things that are inconceivable. War, the French have a superb expression, is a total merdier. Impossible to translate this word.
I would guess the percentage of celebs who believe lies is the same as the percentage of normal people. The difference is, they have a large platform from which to spout their opinions. And since they’re celebs, and probably have inflated egos from the adoration they’ve gotten from their fans, they’re motivated to do so in order to get even more adoration.
Hi_Henry
The Living Force
It's good to glance in the back mirror sometimes because one may spot new "dots" unexpectedly.
Here is something that leads from Ukraine to Puerto Rico.
www.rferl.org
She's so good they sent her to rule in Puerto Rico !!!!
Amazing
Here is something that leads from Ukraine to Puerto Rico.
Who Are Ukraine's New Foreign-Born Ministers?
Ukraine has taken the unusual decision to hand key government posts to three foreigners. The new ministers, who hail from the United States, Georgia, and Lithuania, received Ukrainian citizenship hours before the government was approved.
www.rferl.org
She's so good they sent her to rule in Puerto Rico !!!!
Amazing
Hey Perlou, I just thought to mention that I've noticed you tend to post a lot of telegram messages each day. To me, this has an effect the quality and the potential of this thread... it gives it the flavour of a sort of 'data dumping ground'. The C's have said that networking is a matter of sharing our own reflections and perspectives on the information. So sharing data is good, but I find a thread a lot more interesting when I get to hear the unique individual voices of fellow forumites. I'm not asking you to stop posting, but it would be nice to hear from you, your own thoughts about what Silvano Trotta is saying about Russia, Ukraine, and the SMO.
ApotheosisMMC.
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The tactics of the Russian army are changing and the Russians are gaining unparalleled experience, but here's how it's being done in good measure and why.
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A Ukrainian reserves military officer has written a very interesting twitter thread, which was subsequently picked up by a host of other analysts from DailyKos to a retired Major General in the Australian army.
It details a purported major doctrinal shift in Russian combat group structure in Ukraine, which was discovered by way of (reportedly) captured documents. While typically, things like this are to be taken with a pinch of salt, in this case there are no obvious incentives for the UA officer to lie or make it up, seeing as how it’s not something that paints Russia in a negative light (well, they attempt to do so anyway), but in some ways the reverse. And secondly, to the keen observer, it’s something that’s already being corroborated by actual on the ground circumstances we’re seeing as well as British intel MI6 reports—but more on that later.
So—what is the big doctrinal shift? It’s the complete replacement of the infamous ‘BTG’ or Battalion Tactical Group as a core structural component of the Russian armed forces with a new, even smaller and more focused unit termed the ‘Assault Unit’ or ‘Assault Detachment’.
Now, of course, you have to know how to parse the barely clothed propaganda and denial/cope from the UA side in order to get to the real morsels of truth. So when this anonymous ‘officer’ claims that the reason for the structural shift is the spectacular ‘failure’ of the BTG’s, in reality it only shows either his lack of strategic-depth understanding, or simple malicious intent.
As a quick contextual primer—the BTG was not created for the type of conflict that this war has transitioned into. And while Russia may have used the BTG structure in the opening—the tenor of that conflict was far different than what it is today.
In the beginning of the SMO, Russia was hardly even assaulting positions, but rather doing what in Soviet military parlance were called ‘raids’. As is always the case with American/Western exoticization of all things Russian, they deliberately created a factitious ‘mythos’ surrounding the BTG which never existed in reality, for the general purpose of later declaring it a ‘failure’ when in actuality they’ve never fundamentally understood it.
The vast majority of Western ‘experts’, completely misunderstand the purpose and origins of the “BTG”, owing to this delusional aggrandizement and mythicization. I’m going to demystify how and why the BTG was formed very succinctly for the laymen amongst us:
In very simple terms, the Russian BTG’s were really formed due to a chronic shortage of troops that could potentially constitute most brigades. Now, this isn’t a problem solely inherent to the Russian forces. Truth is, most militaries in the world can’t really fill all their brigades completely to their absolute ‘on paper’ 100% composition. Even in Ukraine today, both sides commonly operate brigades that are 40-60% constituted.
So, in the post-Soviet era, when the Russian armed forces had been particularly gutted by budget cuts, the BTG formula allowed a system by which a brigade could be scaled down into a smaller maneuver unit that had 100% “readiness”, and was stocked with fully trained, professional (non-conscripted) soldiers.
Russia needed a basic, self-sufficient unit which could have all the same maneuvering and asset capabilities as a brigade, but have complete, guaranteed readiness, so they began to structure the armed forces around these BTG’s. Also, in an era of more centralized corruption and lackluster command chains / OODA loops, it was better to use a unit structure which retained its own inherent capabilities. For instance, why rely on having to phone in the central anti-air command to notify them you need help shooting down an enemy plane/UAV, in an era where such cross-unit communications were not exceptionally streamlined or efficient, when you can just have the air defense yourself under your own roof. Same goes for artillery, etc.
In floundering around this BTG concept, most ‘analysts’ gabble on about the wrong things, but omit the key central precept behind its formation: that of ‘high combat readiness’. This translates into full manpower constitution, assured training of the unit (as opposed to having part of the unit be lesser trained conscripts, or some mishmash), and professional contract troops. In short, BTG’s were something done more out of temporary necessity than some far-flung or deeply engraved doctrinal shift or re-conceptualization.
In fact, many experts noted that BTG’s were never meant to be a permanent staple:
The Russian BTG was used in the opening of the SMO because it was a self-sufficient maneuvering force capable of solving their own limited objectives at a time when the resistance of the AFU was not yet great. But, as I mentioned before, the tenor of the conflict has drastically shifted. With the defense-first and stalemate/attritional-minded current focus of the AFU, there is not much room and opportunity for ‘maneuver’ war presently, which is why not only have I myself written at length about the hypothetical ‘death of maneuver war’, but as have other more prominent outlets.
The current scope of the conflict primarily revolves around highly entrenched positions, typically along the ‘tree lines’ which make up the geometric gridirons of farm fields of the Ukrainian heartland. Typically, the combat mission profiles consist of Russian forces attempting to breach these trenches and fortified positions (various dugouts, revetments, caponiers, etc.) while negotiating minefields and evading enemy artillery situated to the rear of the 2nd and 3rd echelon trench lines which lie several kilometers back (AFU artillery almost exclusively fires from about 10-12km behind the contact line).
So, now that you have this basic primer of how the conflict is currently situated, let’s dig in to this UA officer’s report, and see how it develops on what I’ve said:
Ok, so firstly, this new ‘Assault Detachment’ sounds very much like the BTG it’s purportedly meant to ‘replace’. It’s a battalion-sized unit, reinforced with special ancillary complements (just like BTG’s are), BUT geared precisely for the type of assault missions which currently mark the conflict. So far so good.
Ok, so far this is essentially identical to a BTG. BTG’s are also customizable to ‘mission requirements’, within parameters, and also can include all of the listed support units. But once again, we strike that key note of ‘assault companies’—which appears to be geared more for a specific kind of ‘shock’ assault, like the leading vanguard.
We can see this composition very heavily privileges a type of medium to close range, shock force assets. For instance, Russia’s RPOs have become a much-feared bread and butter for assaulting forces (particularly Wagner) in this war. In numerous interviews, AFU troops express their fear of this Russian thermobaric grenade launcher. In fact, this American Navy Seal was liquidated in Bakhmut by one of them not too long ago.
The mass amounts of 2S9 Nonas likewise is fine-tuned towards trench and treeline assaults. This is a mobile 120mm mortar, most-often used by Russian VDV paratroopers. It’s particularly effective for assaults in one main way that distinguishes it from the larger, more powerful Russian artillery mainstays like the 2S19 Msta-S, etc.—and that is mobility. The fact that it was created with VDV in mind, makes it not only air-droppable (and amphibious), but more importantly, light and fast, which means it can keep up with a fast-moving assault detachment and change positions on the fly as needed.
Ok, once again, the structure itself is nothing necessarily out of the ordinary, but the specific designation of ‘assault’ platoons refers to the types of mission-specific weaponry they would be employing, i.e. weapons specifically maximized for destroying and uprooting these pesky tree-line trenches.
What does this mean in practice? Like mentioned above, for instance instead of heavy fire teams with 7.62x54mmr PK machine guns, there will be a heavier Kord 12.7mm group, AGS-17 Flame (auto-grenade launcher), and thermobaric RPG launchers, which are not necessarily standard for normal units. Also, as an example, instead of the regular anti-armor Kornet, they may be armed with the 9M133F-1 thermobaric variant, meant specifically for rooting out infantry from enclosures.
This is seen below:
Now here’s where it starts getting interesting. Not only do we begin to get into specific tactics, but a revelation is made: this new ‘Assault Detachment’ purportedly meant to ‘replace BTG’s’ is not really a new type of unit per se, but rather more of new set of doctrinal fighting tactics designed around the specific task of solving the ‘intractable’ tree-line trench problem which has come to dominate the current mode of conflict.
It turns out, this is more a doctrinal manual on newly evolved tactics—not the description of an entirely or revolutionarily new type of fighting formation. But this fact will become more apparent as we continue on.
Firstly, note the interesting correlation to certain things already ascertained by the more erudite of our community: in particular, this past explanation from
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That’s not to say any of this is absolute confirmation of the validity of these alleged tactics changes, but previously we’d seen tactics such as this one, which consisted of BMP units moving up together toward the hedge under suppression fire, debarking their motor rifle troops right at the tree line, then hauling out (as the BMP’s are now of little utility since they can’t fire through the screen of their own forces storming the trench).
Furthermore, though not listed in this tactics handbook, it’s been known that as they creep along the trench line, Russian tanks fire at the trenches to suppress the AFU troops—which often triggers the psychological flight response, making them curl into balls, or at least stuff themselves back into the dugout. This allows the mechanized troops riding BMP/BMD’s to quickly sneak up, dismount, and begin smoking out the trenches without worrying about return fire.
One thing of note, however, is the passage:
“The platoon commander controls mortar fire. • The platoon/company commander decides on artillery targets, but only the unit commander can provide the air support.”
This is very interesting, as it is a direct repudiation of the popular, albeit naive, trope that Russian forces lack trained NCO’s, have no bottom-level initiative or authority, are highly ‘centralized’ in some stark-caricature of Soviet bureaucratic rigidity, that their recon forces subsist on ‘Command-Push’ rather than ‘Recon-Pull’ strategy, etc, etc.
But in fact, little by little, corroboration continues to trickle in from this war of something I’ve said and believed since the beginning—that it’s actually the complete opposite: Russian officers have more autonomy than their NATO equivalents. There’s a wealth of evidence that supports this, but unfortunately would derail this narrow-scoped topic.
The quote about platoon commanders above, confirms that Russian commanders are trustingly delegating the designation of artillery targets down to unit level—this is something even the U.S./NATO doesn’t have, not least of which reason being that Western armies don’t even have artillery at below the brigade level, at which point you need a Major General or at least a Colonel’s permission to even strike a target.
Here, Russia is letting mere Lieutenants decide for themselves. This is massive. A type of revolutionary small unit autonomy NATO/U.S. can’t even dream of, and has sent ex-U.S. Army ‘experts’ like this one into wildly fevered paroxysms of excuse-making and cognitive-dissonance-inducing rage to try and explain away.
The fact is, it’s become obvious that it is now the U.S. and NATO which are the stilted and stultified, rigidly bureaucratic, un-evolving monstrosities they so desperately try to portray Russia as. And Russia is in fact the highly dynamic, battlefield-evolving force built around strong small-unit leadership and NCO initiative that the West feigns to paint themselves as. What a wonder!
How much MLRS does Russia have? Nearly ~4000 total systems, including ~2300 total Grads (including storage), ~700 Uragans, and ~150 Smerch, as well as a few hundred sundry other systems, and new ones being produced constantly.
So the disingenuous suggestion that 178 total lost (real number much less) out of nearly ~4000 would result in the complete reformation of the ‘BTG’ as a concept, is patently absurd. And I think the authors of such notions know that, but alas, have a ‘flock’ to feed with morale-boosting nectar, outrageous as it might be.
Credit: @tankdiary
Now let’s take a brief look at what Mick Ryan, retired Army Major General of Australia, has to say about these findings.
You can read his thread to get the granular detail, but in summary, he concludes that this does represent a viably successful tactic. BUT he still slops on the caricature-esque Russian tropes to come to the conclusion that Russia will not be able to fully and effectively maximize these new tactics, owing to the fact that—in his completely compromised and biased view—Russia doesn’t have the larger ‘operational’ capabilities to follow-up on the contact-line breakthroughs that these tactics will generate.
He acknowledges that Russia will create breakthroughs with this tactic, but they won’t be able to punch in through to the AFU’s ‘operational rear’ and cause larger, additive routs to their forces. So in essence, he believes the AFU will be able to continuously ‘re-plug’ these holes which Russia will not be able to exploit.
Of course, as usual, his positions are premised on a host of misapprehensions and outright erroneous data, such as Russia’s over-inflated losses, and things of that nature; not too dissimilar from the original thread’s author, who premised his scoffing dismissals on faulty numbers of Russian equipment losses.
However, the Major General makes a few good points, and his thoughts are more clear-headed than that of the others, who are too mired in the agony of Russophobia to analyze things with any shred of impartiality.
Credit: @tankdiary
What can be said about his criticisms are the following things:
1. Russia, at this current phase of the conflict, is not trying to use large maneuver warfare to seek the enemy’s ‘operational rear’(due to lack of committed forces, thus far. If all the new mobiks come into play soon, then that could change). They are utilizing these new tactics only locally for the purpose of dislodging one echelon at a time, which they’re doing successfully in most cases. They’re not trying to route the entire operational theater with the type of massive WW2-level German maneuvers the stodgy-minded Major General appears conceptually stuck on.
They’re using this tactic to break down the AFU’s local defenses piecemeal, with very small forces. Normally, against a truly ‘peer-level’ threat, you could argue that wouldn’t work due to the much more resilient and agile ability to re-plug any locally breached gaps by way of powerful C3 coordination, organization, training/ability of forces, and most importantly—actual extant reserve forces positioned for this task.
But the problem is, the AFU in many ways lacks a lot of these things. So such local breaching tactics work on them because their depleted and ragtag forces often don’t have the morale or ability to agilely respond in a way a true peer-level opponent would.
Just think back to the dozens of videos—such as this Bakhmut one in particular—which showcases AFU commanders desperately pleading to round up a group of spent, suicidal soldiers, to go plug an important line that has been breached somewhere at the front nearby. You see, with depleted and devastated forces like this, there’s high chance they won’t make it to the line in time to ‘plug’ anything. Thus, Russia’s tactics could work just fine as they are without requiring the mandate of massive operational encirclements.
2. Once again he anchors his position on known fallacies: Russian forces are destroyed, equipment is low, etc.—thus they can’t possibly make this work. This is all patently false, but of course he wouldn’t know it from the echochamber he undoubtedly subsists on.
What I’ll give him is that we must wait and see. For now the AFU continues to retain a numerical superiority over Russian forces, as the vast majority of Russian mobilized still haven’t been committed to battle. When they are, then we can truly see and judge whether Russia will attempt to take this new ‘doctrine’ (for lack of a better word) to the expected next level of ‘operational breakthrough’.
Credit: @tankdiary
By the way—since Mick Ryan repeatedly references WW2 as comparison—some might argue the Germans had numerical inferiority yet used exactly these tactics to full advantage in Barbarossa. But as I’ve noted in this previous article, the Wehrmacht in fact greatly outnumbered the Soviet forces at the start of the operation, 3.4million to 2.7m—contrary to what most people were taught.
And on top of which, their ability to break through to the rears relied heavily on superior communications abilities (not only discipline, but the actual comms equipment, which didn’t exist in Soviet tank forces at this time). In Ukraine’s case, the Ukrainian ISR could be considered superior to that of the RF due to the vast nature of the entire West/NATO/Five-Eyes C4ISR potential being utilized against Russia, so the comparison is not quite adequate.
Germans broke through hapless lines which could not communicate those breakthroughs back to appropriate units and HQ’s in time. AFU on the other hand has total ISR oversight of everything and instantaneous command of various reactive capabilities. The only limitation of which is, as mentioned, the actual morale/depletion of the involved, on the ground, manpower which may or may not be capable of ‘responding’ in that sector despite full C4ISR overmatch.
As a last note, late last year, the UK Ministry of Defense also signaled the end of the Russian BTG:
And the always comical ISW issued these words:
Contrary to what ignorantly mystified Western think-tankers are sputtering, the fielding of new tactics demonstrates strong adaptive capability on Russia’s behalf. It means their generals, leaders, and commanders are analyzing, thinking, creatively problem-solving, and evolving—in spite of the West’s continued dull-eyed, slack-jawed, and ill-conceived derogations.
With Russia’s latest announcements and mandate to vastly expand its armed forces by hundreds of thousands, which includes 475k total professional contract ground troops, we could see the end of the BTG era anyway, and a return to the classic brigade and divisional structure of the Soviet era.
The BTG Is Dead, Long Live The BTG!
We examine recently 'recovered documents' outlining a new Russian doctrinal replacement to the BTG system.
Simplicius The Thinker
Feb 28
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A Ukrainian reserves military officer has written a very interesting twitter thread, which was subsequently picked up by a host of other analysts from DailyKos to a retired Major General in the Australian army.
It details a purported major doctrinal shift in Russian combat group structure in Ukraine, which was discovered by way of (reportedly) captured documents. While typically, things like this are to be taken with a pinch of salt, in this case there are no obvious incentives for the UA officer to lie or make it up, seeing as how it’s not something that paints Russia in a negative light (well, they attempt to do so anyway), but in some ways the reverse. And secondly, to the keen observer, it’s something that’s already being corroborated by actual on the ground circumstances we’re seeing as well as British intel MI6 reports—but more on that later.
So—what is the big doctrinal shift? It’s the complete replacement of the infamous ‘BTG’ or Battalion Tactical Group as a core structural component of the Russian armed forces with a new, even smaller and more focused unit termed the ‘Assault Unit’ or ‘Assault Detachment’.
Now, of course, you have to know how to parse the barely clothed propaganda and denial/cope from the UA side in order to get to the real morsels of truth. So when this anonymous ‘officer’ claims that the reason for the structural shift is the spectacular ‘failure’ of the BTG’s, in reality it only shows either his lack of strategic-depth understanding, or simple malicious intent.
As a quick contextual primer—the BTG was not created for the type of conflict that this war has transitioned into. And while Russia may have used the BTG structure in the opening—the tenor of that conflict was far different than what it is today.
In the beginning of the SMO, Russia was hardly even assaulting positions, but rather doing what in Soviet military parlance were called ‘raids’. As is always the case with American/Western exoticization of all things Russian, they deliberately created a factitious ‘mythos’ surrounding the BTG which never existed in reality, for the general purpose of later declaring it a ‘failure’ when in actuality they’ve never fundamentally understood it.
The vast majority of Western ‘experts’, completely misunderstand the purpose and origins of the “BTG”, owing to this delusional aggrandizement and mythicization. I’m going to demystify how and why the BTG was formed very succinctly for the laymen amongst us:
In very simple terms, the Russian BTG’s were really formed due to a chronic shortage of troops that could potentially constitute most brigades. Now, this isn’t a problem solely inherent to the Russian forces. Truth is, most militaries in the world can’t really fill all their brigades completely to their absolute ‘on paper’ 100% composition. Even in Ukraine today, both sides commonly operate brigades that are 40-60% constituted.
So, in the post-Soviet era, when the Russian armed forces had been particularly gutted by budget cuts, the BTG formula allowed a system by which a brigade could be scaled down into a smaller maneuver unit that had 100% “readiness”, and was stocked with fully trained, professional (non-conscripted) soldiers.
Russia needed a basic, self-sufficient unit which could have all the same maneuvering and asset capabilities as a brigade, but have complete, guaranteed readiness, so they began to structure the armed forces around these BTG’s. Also, in an era of more centralized corruption and lackluster command chains / OODA loops, it was better to use a unit structure which retained its own inherent capabilities. For instance, why rely on having to phone in the central anti-air command to notify them you need help shooting down an enemy plane/UAV, in an era where such cross-unit communications were not exceptionally streamlined or efficient, when you can just have the air defense yourself under your own roof. Same goes for artillery, etc.
In floundering around this BTG concept, most ‘analysts’ gabble on about the wrong things, but omit the key central precept behind its formation: that of ‘high combat readiness’. This translates into full manpower constitution, assured training of the unit (as opposed to having part of the unit be lesser trained conscripts, or some mishmash), and professional contract troops. In short, BTG’s were something done more out of temporary necessity than some far-flung or deeply engraved doctrinal shift or re-conceptualization.
In fact, many experts noted that BTG’s were never meant to be a permanent staple:
So now, back to Ukraine. BTG’s excel at fighting other large, near-peer formations. This is why the U.S. Army itself conducts stringent studies revolving around how their BCT’s (U.S. BTG equivalent) can fight against and defeat Russian BTG’s. The reason I say near-peer is because the whole purpose of a BTG is to have everything ‘in house’, including your artillery, air defense, auxiliary units, etc. If you’re fighting a very primitive force without any air capabilities of their own for instance, then what’s the use of lugging around AD companies, etc?
The Russian BTG was used in the opening of the SMO because it was a self-sufficient maneuvering force capable of solving their own limited objectives at a time when the resistance of the AFU was not yet great. But, as I mentioned before, the tenor of the conflict has drastically shifted. With the defense-first and stalemate/attritional-minded current focus of the AFU, there is not much room and opportunity for ‘maneuver’ war presently, which is why not only have I myself written at length about the hypothetical ‘death of maneuver war’, but as have other more prominent outlets.
The current scope of the conflict primarily revolves around highly entrenched positions, typically along the ‘tree lines’ which make up the geometric gridirons of farm fields of the Ukrainian heartland. Typically, the combat mission profiles consist of Russian forces attempting to breach these trenches and fortified positions (various dugouts, revetments, caponiers, etc.) while negotiating minefields and evading enemy artillery situated to the rear of the 2nd and 3rd echelon trench lines which lie several kilometers back (AFU artillery almost exclusively fires from about 10-12km behind the contact line).
So, now that you have this basic primer of how the conflict is currently situated, let’s dig in to this UA officer’s report, and see how it develops on what I’ve said:
Ok, so firstly, this new ‘Assault Detachment’ sounds very much like the BTG it’s purportedly meant to ‘replace’. It’s a battalion-sized unit, reinforced with special ancillary complements (just like BTG’s are), BUT geared precisely for the type of assault missions which currently mark the conflict. So far so good.
Ok, so far this is essentially identical to a BTG. BTG’s are also customizable to ‘mission requirements’, within parameters, and also can include all of the listed support units. But once again, we strike that key note of ‘assault companies’—which appears to be geared more for a specific kind of ‘shock’ assault, like the leading vanguard.
We can see this composition very heavily privileges a type of medium to close range, shock force assets. For instance, Russia’s RPOs have become a much-feared bread and butter for assaulting forces (particularly Wagner) in this war. In numerous interviews, AFU troops express their fear of this Russian thermobaric grenade launcher. In fact, this American Navy Seal was liquidated in Bakhmut by one of them not too long ago.
The mass amounts of 2S9 Nonas likewise is fine-tuned towards trench and treeline assaults. This is a mobile 120mm mortar, most-often used by Russian VDV paratroopers. It’s particularly effective for assaults in one main way that distinguishes it from the larger, more powerful Russian artillery mainstays like the 2S19 Msta-S, etc.—and that is mobility. The fact that it was created with VDV in mind, makes it not only air-droppable (and amphibious), but more importantly, light and fast, which means it can keep up with a fast-moving assault detachment and change positions on the fly as needed.
Ok, once again, the structure itself is nothing necessarily out of the ordinary, but the specific designation of ‘assault’ platoons refers to the types of mission-specific weaponry they would be employing, i.e. weapons specifically maximized for destroying and uprooting these pesky tree-line trenches.
What does this mean in practice? Like mentioned above, for instance instead of heavy fire teams with 7.62x54mmr PK machine guns, there will be a heavier Kord 12.7mm group, AGS-17 Flame (auto-grenade launcher), and thermobaric RPG launchers, which are not necessarily standard for normal units. Also, as an example, instead of the regular anti-armor Kornet, they may be armed with the 9M133F-1 thermobaric variant, meant specifically for rooting out infantry from enclosures.
This is seen below:
Now here’s where it starts getting interesting. Not only do we begin to get into specific tactics, but a revelation is made: this new ‘Assault Detachment’ purportedly meant to ‘replace BTG’s’ is not really a new type of unit per se, but rather more of new set of doctrinal fighting tactics designed around the specific task of solving the ‘intractable’ tree-line trench problem which has come to dominate the current mode of conflict.
It turns out, this is more a doctrinal manual on newly evolved tactics—not the description of an entirely or revolutionarily new type of fighting formation. But this fact will become more apparent as we continue on.
Firstly, note the interesting correlation to certain things already ascertained by the more erudite of our community: in particular, this past explanation from
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The above confirms much of the footage we’ve been seeing recently of Russian tree-line assaults. Recall the countless videos of Russian tanks crawling along the hedge-line and pouring fire onto the AFU trenches, such as this one, and this one, or even this one.
That’s not to say any of this is absolute confirmation of the validity of these alleged tactics changes, but previously we’d seen tactics such as this one, which consisted of BMP units moving up together toward the hedge under suppression fire, debarking their motor rifle troops right at the tree line, then hauling out (as the BMP’s are now of little utility since they can’t fire through the screen of their own forces storming the trench).
Furthermore, though not listed in this tactics handbook, it’s been known that as they creep along the trench line, Russian tanks fire at the trenches to suppress the AFU troops—which often triggers the psychological flight response, making them curl into balls, or at least stuff themselves back into the dugout. This allows the mechanized troops riding BMP/BMD’s to quickly sneak up, dismount, and begin smoking out the trenches without worrying about return fire.
One thing of note, however, is the passage:
“The platoon commander controls mortar fire. • The platoon/company commander decides on artillery targets, but only the unit commander can provide the air support.”
This is very interesting, as it is a direct repudiation of the popular, albeit naive, trope that Russian forces lack trained NCO’s, have no bottom-level initiative or authority, are highly ‘centralized’ in some stark-caricature of Soviet bureaucratic rigidity, that their recon forces subsist on ‘Command-Push’ rather than ‘Recon-Pull’ strategy, etc, etc.
But in fact, little by little, corroboration continues to trickle in from this war of something I’ve said and believed since the beginning—that it’s actually the complete opposite: Russian officers have more autonomy than their NATO equivalents. There’s a wealth of evidence that supports this, but unfortunately would derail this narrow-scoped topic.
The quote about platoon commanders above, confirms that Russian commanders are trustingly delegating the designation of artillery targets down to unit level—this is something even the U.S./NATO doesn’t have, not least of which reason being that Western armies don’t even have artillery at below the brigade level, at which point you need a Major General or at least a Colonel’s permission to even strike a target.
Here, Russia is letting mere Lieutenants decide for themselves. This is massive. A type of revolutionary small unit autonomy NATO/U.S. can’t even dream of, and has sent ex-U.S. Army ‘experts’ like this one into wildly fevered paroxysms of excuse-making and cognitive-dissonance-inducing rage to try and explain away.
The fact is, it’s become obvious that it is now the U.S. and NATO which are the stilted and stultified, rigidly bureaucratic, un-evolving monstrosities they so desperately try to portray Russia as. And Russia is in fact the highly dynamic, battlefield-evolving force built around strong small-unit leadership and NCO initiative that the West feigns to paint themselves as. What a wonder!
Firstly, let’s acknowledge the above statement is desperately risible cope. ‘Scarce weapons’? Even the fraudulent ‘Oryx list’ only shows 23 Nona 2S9’s as destroyed (which means the real number is even less, because his list is infamously rife with misattribution and outright fraud). Russia officially has ~500 active Nona variants (2S9 and others), and another ~500 in storage. Not to mention new equivalent systems being produced. You can trust Russia has ‘enough’ of them.
This is even beyond desperation. First of all, Russia has lost a tiny negligible fraction of their MLRS forces. Once again—even going by the highly inflated Oryx list—he publishes that Russia has lost a total of 178 various MLRS systems, which breaks down into roughly ~100 Grad, ~50 Uragan, and less than 10 Smerch/Tos-1A, etc.
How much MLRS does Russia have? Nearly ~4000 total systems, including ~2300 total Grads (including storage), ~700 Uragans, and ~150 Smerch, as well as a few hundred sundry other systems, and new ones being produced constantly.
So the disingenuous suggestion that 178 total lost (real number much less) out of nearly ~4000 would result in the complete reformation of the ‘BTG’ as a concept, is patently absurd. And I think the authors of such notions know that, but alas, have a ‘flock’ to feed with morale-boosting nectar, outrageous as it might be.
Credit: @tankdiary
Now let’s take a brief look at what Mick Ryan, retired Army Major General of Australia, has to say about these findings.
You can read his thread to get the granular detail, but in summary, he concludes that this does represent a viably successful tactic. BUT he still slops on the caricature-esque Russian tropes to come to the conclusion that Russia will not be able to fully and effectively maximize these new tactics, owing to the fact that—in his completely compromised and biased view—Russia doesn’t have the larger ‘operational’ capabilities to follow-up on the contact-line breakthroughs that these tactics will generate.
He acknowledges that Russia will create breakthroughs with this tactic, but they won’t be able to punch in through to the AFU’s ‘operational rear’ and cause larger, additive routs to their forces. So in essence, he believes the AFU will be able to continuously ‘re-plug’ these holes which Russia will not be able to exploit.
Of course, as usual, his positions are premised on a host of misapprehensions and outright erroneous data, such as Russia’s over-inflated losses, and things of that nature; not too dissimilar from the original thread’s author, who premised his scoffing dismissals on faulty numbers of Russian equipment losses.
However, the Major General makes a few good points, and his thoughts are more clear-headed than that of the others, who are too mired in the agony of Russophobia to analyze things with any shred of impartiality.
Credit: @tankdiary
What can be said about his criticisms are the following things:
1. Russia, at this current phase of the conflict, is not trying to use large maneuver warfare to seek the enemy’s ‘operational rear’(due to lack of committed forces, thus far. If all the new mobiks come into play soon, then that could change). They are utilizing these new tactics only locally for the purpose of dislodging one echelon at a time, which they’re doing successfully in most cases. They’re not trying to route the entire operational theater with the type of massive WW2-level German maneuvers the stodgy-minded Major General appears conceptually stuck on.
They’re using this tactic to break down the AFU’s local defenses piecemeal, with very small forces. Normally, against a truly ‘peer-level’ threat, you could argue that wouldn’t work due to the much more resilient and agile ability to re-plug any locally breached gaps by way of powerful C3 coordination, organization, training/ability of forces, and most importantly—actual extant reserve forces positioned for this task.
But the problem is, the AFU in many ways lacks a lot of these things. So such local breaching tactics work on them because their depleted and ragtag forces often don’t have the morale or ability to agilely respond in a way a true peer-level opponent would.
Just think back to the dozens of videos—such as this Bakhmut one in particular—which showcases AFU commanders desperately pleading to round up a group of spent, suicidal soldiers, to go plug an important line that has been breached somewhere at the front nearby. You see, with depleted and devastated forces like this, there’s high chance they won’t make it to the line in time to ‘plug’ anything. Thus, Russia’s tactics could work just fine as they are without requiring the mandate of massive operational encirclements.
2. Once again he anchors his position on known fallacies: Russian forces are destroyed, equipment is low, etc.—thus they can’t possibly make this work. This is all patently false, but of course he wouldn’t know it from the echochamber he undoubtedly subsists on.
What I’ll give him is that we must wait and see. For now the AFU continues to retain a numerical superiority over Russian forces, as the vast majority of Russian mobilized still haven’t been committed to battle. When they are, then we can truly see and judge whether Russia will attempt to take this new ‘doctrine’ (for lack of a better word) to the expected next level of ‘operational breakthrough’.
Credit: @tankdiary
By the way—since Mick Ryan repeatedly references WW2 as comparison—some might argue the Germans had numerical inferiority yet used exactly these tactics to full advantage in Barbarossa. But as I’ve noted in this previous article, the Wehrmacht in fact greatly outnumbered the Soviet forces at the start of the operation, 3.4million to 2.7m—contrary to what most people were taught.
And on top of which, their ability to break through to the rears relied heavily on superior communications abilities (not only discipline, but the actual comms equipment, which didn’t exist in Soviet tank forces at this time). In Ukraine’s case, the Ukrainian ISR could be considered superior to that of the RF due to the vast nature of the entire West/NATO/Five-Eyes C4ISR potential being utilized against Russia, so the comparison is not quite adequate.
Germans broke through hapless lines which could not communicate those breakthroughs back to appropriate units and HQ’s in time. AFU on the other hand has total ISR oversight of everything and instantaneous command of various reactive capabilities. The only limitation of which is, as mentioned, the actual morale/depletion of the involved, on the ground, manpower which may or may not be capable of ‘responding’ in that sector despite full C4ISR overmatch.
As a last note, late last year, the UK Ministry of Defense also signaled the end of the Russian BTG:
And the always comical ISW issued these words:
In the end, all of these dramatic calls are in fact silly and wrong. Despite the tongue-in-cheek title of this article, I do not believe the BTG is ‘dead’, but rather simply that Russia is adapting new tactics for the very specific constraints and problems facing them at this one specific phase of the SMO. Once other phases kick off, they may very well revert back to other structures and tactics. Though as mentioned earlier, the BTG was never designed to be the permanent replacement of Russian force-structure but rather more a temporary stopgap measure.
Contrary to what ignorantly mystified Western think-tankers are sputtering, the fielding of new tactics demonstrates strong adaptive capability on Russia’s behalf. It means their generals, leaders, and commanders are analyzing, thinking, creatively problem-solving, and evolving—in spite of the West’s continued dull-eyed, slack-jawed, and ill-conceived derogations.
With Russia’s latest announcements and mandate to vastly expand its armed forces by hundreds of thousands, which includes 475k total professional contract ground troops, we could see the end of the BTG era anyway, and a return to the classic brigade and divisional structure of the Soviet era.
