Putin Recognizes Donbass Republics, Sends Russian Military to 'Denazify' Ukraine

[Persej]

I don’t know where I heard it anymore, but apparently the biggest and most significant part of the structure was situated underground and that is what the Russians took aim at. So it might have been rather literally a bunker busting operation, first and foremost. If so, naturally you wouldn’t see much damage on the surface because the warheads were designed to pinch through the surface like a needle and deliver most of the damage underground. And maybe that was also meant to show elites in the west that they are not safe in their bunkers? Maybe that was the actual point of it?

Exactly. That is also my thinking. But what Andrei Martyanov is saying is that everything above ground was also destroyed. Which is not something that corresponds with that black and white video in which there are no big explosions on the surface.

 

[Cosmos]

But what Andrei Martyanov is saying is that everything above ground was also destroyed. Which is not something that corresponds with that black and white video in which there are no big explosions on the surface.

I don’t think you necessarily need big explosions on the surface to destroy “everything“ above ground. We are talking about hypersonic missiles here that derive much if not most of their power from high speed and weight and not necessarily from explosives. Much like small comets or asteroids fragments hitting the earth’s surface (although in that specific case still quite a bit slower then that). So, a shockwave of it hitting could have already been enough to destroy “everything“ above ground. While probably not necessarily needing to destroy the buildings visibly all too much. I would presume you wouldn’t see any explosion there even though it was devastating. Also remember that the weapon came with 6 salvos of 6 individual projectiles (36 projectiles) all fairly close to each other. Which makes this A LOT more destructive.

 

[msasa79]

Pretty much what we've been saying here. "Trying to do everything possible to strengthen Ukraine" before a possible peace deal, which means making the use of NATO long range precision weapons against Russian territory a fact on the ground, plus the possible placement of NATO troops in Western Ukraine.

Going with basic logic plus taking into account consistency of what Russians want and do to achieve that, it's rather easy to deduce that if NATO fired long-range missiles into Russia proper were to be established fact on the ground, then Russia most likely won't settle for anything less than a DMZ wide enough to keep those missiles from its territories, i.e. 500+ km from the borders which by quick inspection of the map basically means the whole of Ukraine.

Maybe I'm wrong about that, but it seems like a pretty basic logical conclusion based just on observation of what's been going on. Wouldn't such a thing cross some minds of the guys in the West?

 

[Cosmos]

Going with basic logic plus taking into account consistency of what Russians want and do to achieve that, it's rather easy to deduce that if NATO fired long-range missiles into Russia proper were to be established fact on the ground, then Russia most likely won't settle for anything less than a DMZ wide enough to keep those missiles from its territories, i.e. 500+ km from the borders which by quick inspection of the map basically means the whole of Ukraine.

Maybe I'm wrong about that, but it seems like a pretty basic logical conclusion based just on observation of what's been going on. Wouldn't such a thing cross some minds of the guys in the West?

In fact, I think the Russians hinted at exactly that on more than one occasion quite clearly. One would think that this should at least cross the minds of some people with brains in the west. It is pretty obvious. Maybe they don’t really mind if Russia either demands a demilitarized zone equivalent to those ranges or gets those territories under full control, because it further plays into their “Putin is the next Hitler swallowing up ever more territories, coming closer and closer to “civilized“ Europe“ nonsense?

 

[Persej]

I don’t think you necessarily need big explosions on the surface to destroy “everything“ above ground. We are talking about hypersonic missiles here that derive much if not most of their power from high speed and weight and not necessarily from explosives. Much like small comets or asteroids fragments hitting the earth’s surface (although in that specific case still quite a bit slower then that). So, a shockwave of it hitting could have already been enough to destroy “everything“ above ground. While probably not necessarily needing to destroy the buildings visibly all too much. I would presume you wouldn’t see any explosion there even though it was devastating. Also remember that the weapon came with 6 salvos of 6 individual projectiles (36 projectiles) all fairly close to each other. Which makes this A LOT more destructive.

Well, as you said, the warheads were probably designed to pinch through the surface like a needle and deliver most of the damage underground. If that was the case, then you wouldn't have a shockwave on the surface. And you need an explosion for a shockwave. No explosion, no shockwave, no big destruction on the surface. That corresponds to what we saw on the video.