Putin's official car is involved in a head-on crash in Moscow

[Ocean]

There are hundreds of videos of tyre blow outs in Russia. It seems to be all too common. Perhaps this was another case of tyre blow out. it has the hallmarks of the car 'taking over' and directing the car wherever the explosive energy takes it.

 

[Vulcan59]

Anyone knows who the other driver was? Couldn't find any mentioned of who the other driver was so far. Hacked and remotely controlled?

 

[Yozilla]

What caught my eye is some kind of material spilled (like some kind of white sand or whatever) over central reservation line. It seems to me that the vehicle (official?) started to get out of control after passing over that stuff (0:03 on the video)

 

[Lilou]

What caught my eye is some kind of material spilled (like some kind of white sand or whatever) over central reservation line. It seems to me that the vehicle (official?) started to get out of control after passing over that stuff (0:03 on the video)

I wondered the same thing - sand or concrete dust? Or maybe the road had bad potholes that were patched? It looks like he was clipping along at a decent speed, at least 75-80 mph, maybe more. He steers a bit left going over that patch and then didn't recover. Is that a small curb between the opposite lanes of traffic? If so, he'd have hit that, which could cause him to lose control. Or whatever he ran over caused his tires to lose traction and he just hydroplaned and couldn't steer.

Horrific accident!

 

[youlik]

As for the accident, your knowledge in this area is very much appreciated, but I think you are missing a point a bit regarding the larger meaning, or the possible message people are referring to here. That regardless of what really happened, it is still an event worth noting, simply because it was reported in the media.

Я как раз и хочу сказать о том, что в широком смысле опасность для Путина исходит из его окружения, а никак не от дорожных инцидентов. Некоторое время назад в другой ветке я писал о том, что у меня есть "вопросы к команде президента", здесь разговор о том же самом. Говоря самым общим образом, те силы которые руководили Россией в 90 годы и которые почти развалили страну, некоторым образом отодвинуты в тень, однако нынешние власти не могут (не хотят, вынуждены считаться - варианты на выбор) в целом удалить их из сферы принятия решений. Вот в этом самая большая опасность для России и для Путина, если хотите.
Что касается непосредственно аварии. Мое мнение, что это больше всего похоже на взрыв передней левой покрышки и последовавший за этим занос автомобиля влево. То что автомобиль мерседес имеет задний привод (или полный привод в отдельных комплектациях) а не передний, добавляет шансов в пользу этой версии. У водителя при подобном развитии событий объективно меньше возможностей удержать машину, не зависимо от его подготовки. Водитель в данном случае просто не может работать акселератором (в условиях городских улиц не хватит места для управляемого заноса) и в его распоряжении только тормоз и руление. Кстати на видео видно, что водитель мерседеса успел рулем среагировать на занос.
Вот какие картинки выдает поисковик при самом простом запросе "авария на кутузовском".
http://images.rambler.ru/search?query=%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%8F%20%D0%BD%D0%B0%20%D0%BA%D1%83%D1%82%D1%83%D0%B7%D0%BE%D0%B2%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BC&utm_source=rambler-search&utm_medium=mixup&utm_campaign=images_up
Именно это я имею ввиду, когда пишу об обыденности происшествия. Обратите внимание на преимущественный контингент этих происшествий-это дорогие автомобили. Само это и движение совершившего аварию мерседеса, кстати S-класс, по разделительной полосе вполне показательно.
Наконец, вот что мне попалось об участниках аварии.
http://www.topnews.ru/news_id_93433.html


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As for the accident, your knowledge in this area is very much appreciated, but I think you are missing a point a bit regarding the larger meaning, or the possible message people are referring to here. That regardless of what really happened, it is still an event worth noting, simply because it was reported in the media.

I just want to say that in a broad sense, the danger to Putin comes from his environment, and not from road incidents. Some time ago in another thread I wrote that I have "questions to the team President", here talking about the same thing. Speaking in very General terms, the forces that led Russia in 90 years and which nearly destroyed the country, to some extent relegated to the shadow, but the current government can't (don't want; had to reckon- the options to choose from) as a whole to remove them from the sphere of decision-making. That this is the biggest danger for Russia and for Putin if you want.
As for the crash. My opinion is that it is most similar to the explosion of the left front tyre and the subsequent skidding to the left. The fact that Mercedes is a rear wheel drive (or all-wheel drive in certain models) and not the front, puts the odds in favor of this version. The driver in such developments objectively less able to keep the car, regardless of his training. The driver in this case simply can not operate the accelerator (in terms of city streets is not enough space for controlled skidding) but only the brake and steering. By the way the video shows that the driver of the Mercedes had time to react to the skid by the steering.
Here are some of the images gives the search engine the simplest query "accident on Kutuzovsky".
http://images.rambler.ru/search?query=%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%8F%20%D0%BD%D0%B0%20%D0%BA%D1%83%D1%82%D1%83%D0%B7%D0%BE%D0%B2%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BC&utm_source=rambler-search&utm_medium=mixup&utm_campaign=images_up
That's what I mean when I write about the everyday life of the incident. Note the preferential contingent of these incidents is expensive cars. Itself and the movement of the perpetrators of the crash of the Mercedes, by the way the S-class, the dividing strip is quite revealing.
Finally, here is what I found about the participants of the accident.
http://www.topnews.ru/news_id_93433.html

The Mercedes driver was the 38-year-old Yang Kamilov, valuer at a large company.
Meanwhile, the name of the deceased in the media is still not called. It is known that he was 69 years of age, over 40 years of which he worked as a driver, including 10 in the garage of the President. The deceased driver had a son. Police haven't released details of the accident.
According to "MK" driving the governmental BMW was one of the best drivers Manager of the President. It is reported that he took Ministers, members of the Federation Council, the Government and deputies of the State Duma. That the deceased driver was taken personally the President of Russia, the publication does not specify.

 

[Siberia]

So the accident Putin has no relation.

Whether or not any foul play was involved, this could be a sign of some sort.

Let this for you sign. For me, the sign is totally different.

It is possible that that was just an accident, but it can be useful to consider other possibilities as well, before completely refuting them.

For example, don't know if you've looked closely into the details of the Germanwings crash yet, the relevant editorial is available on Russian SOTT here. It could be less likely, but still not impossible that something similar could have happened in this case.

Anyway, we need to keep in mind that the twisted minds of the PTBs sometimes come up with very tortuous "messaging tactics".

 

[Gwenllian]

The best leaders are usually assassinated (Caesar, JFK, Diana, Chavez, etc), so I recommend that people acknowledge and come to terms with the likelihood of that also happening to Putin. Heck, it almost seems to be a 'rule' in this reality.

I am trying to come to terms with this likelihood, but boy, this is hard and sometimes I just don't want to know that this could happen to him. I think so many people would feel completely lost without him as he epitomises a kind of spirit, example, presence which is even stronger and more powerful than Diana's or JFK's, IMO. May the Divine Cosmic Mind protect Putin .

 

[Cosmos]

[...]May the Divine Cosmic Mind protect Putin .

I'm pretty certain that he has been protected by the Divine Cosmic Mind thus far. Otherwise I simply can not wrap my mind around the fact that he was able to do what he has done, for so many years now.

There must be incredible forces around him, that try to bring him down, and the fact that they didn't succeed with it for over 15 years now, tells me strongly that he is under "higher protection" and has a very good team that helps him to stay on guard.

But as we know all to well, even the smallest slips can enable the bad forces to sneak in and to succeed. He has to be 100% on guard on all levels.

 

[Gwenllian]

[...]May the Divine Cosmic Mind protect Putin .

I'm pretty certain that he has been protected by the Divine Cosmic Mind thus far. Otherwise I simply can not wrap my mind around the fact that he was able to do what he has done, for so many years now.

There must be incredible forces around him, that try to bring him down, and the fact that they didn't succeed with it for over 15 years now, tells me strongly that he is under "higher protection" and has a very good team that helps him to stay on guard.

But as we know all to well, even the smallest slips can enable the bad forces to sneak in and to succeed. He has to be 100% on guard on all levels.

Yes, and Putin may even be more aware of these pitfalls and bad forces because of the unique history of Russia. I also think that the DCM has guided him and supported him all this time. That said, it must be very tiring to be on one's guard all the time, to remain vigilant without any respite. A few days ago I saw a picture of him and I thought he was looking particularly tired. But then, he is probably also susceptible to all these bad forces and energy flying around.
Thanks, Pashalis, for your answer. :)

 

[Keit]

I just want to say that in a broad sense, the danger to Putin comes from his environment, and not from road incidents.

In this particular situation I have to agree, also because there was practically zero talk about it on the Russian alternative sites (Aftershock, Cont, Politrussia, etc.). And so it kind of makes it a non-event, since it didn't register on anyone's radar. That's why I think that the presentation of the event in the way it was done by the media was more important than the event itself. That this was the actual message. But I could be wrong, of course, since it is no more than speculation.

Some time ago in another thread I wrote that I have "questions to the team President", here talking about the same thing. Speaking in very General terms, the forces that led Russia in 90 years and which nearly destroyed the country, to some extent relegated to the shadow, but the current government can't (don't want; had to reckon- the options to choose from) as a whole to remove them from the sphere of decision-making. That this is the biggest danger for Russia and for Putin if you want.

Probably. But then, what Putin and his team to do? I mean, more than what they are doing now? Plans like this take time, sometimes a lot of time. So the best chance they have is to make sure to stay alive and remain in key positions. And then do gradual changes that wouldn't appear threatening enough until it's too late. Hopefully, they will be able to continue in the same direction.

 

[youlik]

Probably. But then, what Putin and his team to do? I mean, more than what they are doing now? Plans like this take time, sometimes a lot of time. So the best chance they have is to make sure to stay alive and remain in key positions. And then do gradual changes that wouldn't appear threatening enough until it's too late. Hopefully, they will be able to continue in the same direction.

Тут я, в свою очередь, вынужден согласиться с Вами. Глядя еще шире, шар целиком на стороне запада (конкретнее США), а время работает против них. Я не буду далеко уходить в геополитику, есть много аналитических материалов на этот счет, скажу просто, что продолжение америкой нынешней политики мировой гегемонии почти наверняка приведет к расширению войны в разных вариантах. Про изменение политики америки говорить пока вообще не чего ибо пока на это почти ничего не указывает. Власть в России очевидно это хорошо понимает и именно поэтому, совершая абсолютно необходимые действия (Крым, Донбасс, Сирия), не позволяет втянуть страну в разрушительные для нее процессы. Пока это получается, дальше увидим.
Внутри страны у Российской власти успехов пока меньше чем за ее пределами. Я, как житель России, простой человек, не знающий всяких тонкостей и нюансов борьбы властных групп по прежнему вижу, что мы внутри страны находимся под властью, проводящей во многом антисоциальную, олигархическую политику. Хочется надеяться, что это временная, вынужденная необходимость и в конце концов это переменится. Наш Президент все таки гуманист, хоть и не всемогущий.

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Here I am, in turn, have to agree with You. Looking even wider, the ball is entirely on the side of the West (specifically the US), but time is working against them. I'm not going to go far in geopolitics, there are a lot of analytical materials on this subject, let's just say that the continuation of America's current policy of world hegemony will almost certainly lead to the expansion of the war in different ways. The authorities in Russia obviously understands this very well and that is why doing the essential actions (Crimea, Donbass, Syria), does not allow to drag the country into devastating for her processes. While it is possible to do, then we'll see.
Domestically, the Russian government success is less than outside. I, as a resident of Russia, a simple man, not knowing all subtleties and nuances of the struggle of power groups still see that we in the country are under the authority conducting the largely anti-social, oligarchic politics. I hope that this is a temporary, necessary need, and in the end it will change. Our President is still a humanist, though not omnipotent.