question about 4D

[iloveyoghurt]

My implication was that I believe, with the application of some effort (obviously), it is quite possible to access impressions of 4D. Of course I did not mean an unconscious daydreaming, but an active effort at reaching for "impressions" - as Gurdjieff calls it. For the sake of keeping on topic, the presumption was that the subject is awake to some degree.

I believe this to be possible because, after all, we have been in 4D before so we might actually remember something somewhere in our psyche. This remembering may be more possible too with the reconnecting/reforming of our DNA that is supposedly occurring at this time. This remembering, or these "impressions" may well be more available to us equally so with the approaching wave and our (possible) merging with 4D.

I don't see that there was any misunderstanding of Gurdjieff's ideas but whatever.

If you wanna think about 4D and reach for the possible impressions of what it would be like - go for it I say!

But you know, that's just my ideas on it.

 

[Mountain Crown]

[QUOTE author=the freedictionary.com]impression:1. An effect, feeling, or image retained as a consequence of experience.[/QUOTE]

Hi iloveyoghurt,

It may do well to keep in mind that STS is in 4D.

 

[Jacques]

I believe this to be possible because, after all, we have been in 4D before so we might actually remember something somewhere in our psyche. This remembering may be more possible too with the reconnecting/reforming of our DNA that is supposedly occurring at this time. This remembering, or these "impressions" may well be more available to us equally so with the approaching wave and our (possible) merging with 4D.

I don't see that there was any misunderstanding of Gurdjieff's ideas but whatever.

If you wanna think about 4D and reach for the possible impressions of what it would be like - go for it I say!

But you know, that's just my ideas on it.

To my knowledgae, we have never been in 4D before. We were 3D STO before the fall.

 

[Jacques]

[QUOTE author=the freedictionary.com]impression:1. An effect, feeling, or image retained as a consequence of experience.

Hi iloveyoghurt,

It may do well to keep in mind that STS is in 4D.


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Do you mean by that, that there is STS in 4D also, as in 3D ?

 

[Mountain Crown]

[QUOTE author=the freedictionary.com]impression:1. An effect, feeling, or image retained as a consequence of experience.

Hi iloveyoghurt,

It may do well to keep in mind that STS is in 4D.

Do you mean by that, that there is STS in 4D also, as in 3D ?
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Yes.

 

[Al Today]

To my knowledgae, we have never been in 4D before. We were 3D STO before the fall.

My understanding is that a 6D entity can reincarnate into 3D, so why can not 4D also reincarnate within 3D.

Another question pops up. in saying "we" have never been in 4D, is that ALL/EVERYONE on this BBM is stuck within this fragmented soul group? Or is it when being reincarnated here "we" become part of that fragmented soul group?

And are there or are there not so-called wanderers? If yes, where do they fit into to this "we"?

 

[Al Today]

And are there or are there not so-called wanderers? If yes, where do they fit into to this "we"?

I would like to withdraw this question. I think when a wanderer comes "here" they also pass through the veil of forgetfullness. All that remains with them is an inkling, instinct if you will, a predisposition, yearning for knowledge but is not born with any "special" knowledge. They can get trapped in this 3D situation just as "anyone" else can...


edit: I guess my question boils down to this: When born on this BBM, does one become part of this fragmented soul group? When after death in 5D, can one become disconnected to this soul group? Is the soul group somehow connected with this planetary STS control system or does belonging to this soul group continue after death?
The more I think about this, these questions are kinda irrelevant. Life in the "HERE" and "NOW" are what must be Worked on. I apologize for the noise because what will be, will be. I do look forward to finding out though...

 

[Laura]

I have a big folder on my computer full of astronomy and atmospheric images... stuff that I've snagged from all over the web; impressive storms, clouds, stars, stellar dust, that sort of thing. There are a LOT of storm images with wild clouds. Whenver the computer is idle, these images start to play across the screen. As I look at these pictures, I think about what the Cs said about weather being 4D interactions and I realize how truly different - and yet the same - this is.

Now, if you can look at storms and see 4D energies/beings in interaction, you might be getting somewhere.

 

[Al Today]

Now, if you can look at storms and see 4D energies/beings in interaction, you might be getting somewhere.

I've been thinking, holding my tongue, but now I gotta say. A while back I read somewhere that clouds communicate with each other. Since them I've been watching "THEM". I swear I've seen them fly like birds. Wait for each other. Catch up. Assume formation. Perform what appears to be like docking maneuvers to join together, split apart.
I know how the wind currents work, BUT THEY GO AGAINST THE WIND CURRENTS, back and forth, sideways, against and with the wind, with and against the grain so to speak, like a sailboat goes into the wind? How, I just dunno. Sometimes I think it's an illusion, I disbelieve what I see, but is t his what I see? I just dunno.
I cannot explain but I "feel" they DO communicate with each other. For some time, I've been wondering if I've been going off the edge here, but since this has been mentioned, I am prompted to say these things... What this means, I just dunno... No matter how crazy this sounds, I'm hitting the Post key...

 

[Al Today]

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/08/13/clouds-communicate-scientists-say/

A new study has found that clouds "communicate" with each other, much like chirping crickets or flashing fireflies on a summer night. The surprising findings, published online in the journal Nature, may have significant implications for our understanding of the Earth's climate.

 

[sgspencer]

Guess it's up to the individual to discern for themselves whether they are experiencing (mechanical) "imaginings" and perpetuating the sleeping, or are experiencing "impressions" which are assisting in the awakening.

Unfortunately, it is impossible for the individual to discern for themselves. A sleeping person cannot tell if she/he is awakening, or if she/he is merely dreaming that they are awakening. This is the whole point, that a man cannot awaken on his own, he needs someone who is already awake to assist him.

I have fought with this concept before and am still unsure of the implications. If you can't discern awakening then how can you ever be sure that any one can even be awake in 3d? How would you ever be able to discern whether someone who says they are awake is awake? Doesn't this lead to a horrible catch-22 that can never be solved while alive? I don't know...like I said I fight with this concept.

 

[sgspencer]

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/08/13/clouds-communicate-scientists-say/

A new study has found that clouds "communicate" with each other, much like chirping crickets or flashing fireflies on a summer night. The surprising findings, published online in the journal Nature, may have significant implications for our understanding of the Earth's climate.

That's awesome...my wife is a cloud researcher...although I don't think they will be able to write-up a grant to continue this research...

I'm gonna have to pay more attention to clouds now...

 

[Al Today]

Yep, the communication they speak of course is only what can be currently be explained as a set of events that trigger other events.

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/08/13/clouds-communicate-scientists-say/

"Cloud fields organize in such a way that their components 'communicate' with one another and produce regular, periodic rainfall events," explained Graham Feingold, a research scientist with the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Agency (NOAA) and the paper's lead author.

In other words, Feingold found clear evidence of self-organization in the regular patterns of rainfall and repeating growth of those floating puffs of cotton.

How does such synchronization come about? Falling rain cools the air as it descends. This creates downward air currents. These downdrafts hit the surface of the planet, flow outward, and collide with each other, forming updrafts. The air flowing up creates new clouds in previously open sky as older clouds dissipate. Then the new clouds rain, and the oscillating pattern repeats itself.

"In a sense what's going on is that the clouds are communicating
with each other by driving down to the ground. If you have a number of clouds doing exactly that, air is forced to go sideways from one cloud and meets the air from another," Feingold told FoxNews.com.

Irregardless, this got me to watching clouds again. As a kid I used to love laying in a field and cloud watch. But anyway, I stand by my prior post... I've been called weird and crazy before, so what the hey... That;s what I see. The low flying puffy clouds give t he best shows because of their low altitude, closeness, and quicker actions than the clouds wayyyy up thar...

 

[Jacques]

To my knowledgae, we have never been in 4D before. We were 3D STO before the fall.

My understanding is that a 6D entity can reincarnate into 3D, so why can not 4D also reincarnate within 3D.

I have the same understanding but if someone of 4D or 6d choose to reincarnate in this 3D, it is for a specific purpose and I do not think that this being is a member of our group of 3d STO before the fall.

Another question pops up. in saying "we" have never been in 4D, is that ALL/EVERYONE on this BBM is stuck within this fragmented soul group? Or is it when being reincarnated here "we" become part of that fragmented soul group?

Q: (L) Where did the souls come from that entered into the bodies on the planet earth? Were they in bodies on other planets before they came here?
A: Not this group.
Q: (L) Were they just floating around in the universe somewhere?
A: In union with the One. Have you heard the Super ancient legend of Lucifer, the Fallen Angel?
Q: (L) Who is Lucifer?
A: You. The human race.
Q: (L) Are the souls of individual humans the parts of a larger soul?
A: Yes. Close. The One. All who have fallen must learn "the hard way."
Q: (L) Are you saying that the act of wanting to experience physical reality is the act of falling?
A: You are members of a fragmented soul unit.
Q: (L) What is it about wanting to be physical is a "fall"?
A: Pleasure for the self.

I would not say ALL-EVERYONE but rather all the members of this fragmented soul group have never been in 4D. I think we reincarnate here because we are part of that fragmented soul group. If my memory is ok, and as a working hypothesis, we fell 309 000 years ago and right now we are at the end of this big cycle.

 

[Al Today]

I would not say ALL-EVERYONE but rather all the members of this fragmented soul group have never been in 4D. I think we reincarnate here because we are part of that fragmented soul group. If my memory is ok, and as a working hypothesis, we fell 309 000 years ago and right now we are at the end of this big cycle.

I understand what you say. I have many questions that cannot be answered now. I need to continue with "here" & "now". It's just too easy to get trapped in distractive speculation. I think all answers will come in time...