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Jedi
Hello,
this is my first post on this Forum. English is not my native language, so I am a bit afraid if I manage to say what I really want to say.
I have been searching for answers on this forum for some time already. I am also in the process of reading The Wave, although I have not finished it yet. At the moment I am in the state of total confusion, and it drives me crazy. I have many, many questions and one BIG ONE, of a vital importance to me. I hope that somebody here will be willing and able to help me to understand. But before I can ask my questions, I need to tell a bit of my history.
For many years by now I have followed the so called spiritual master, after I have received an initiation from her.
The teachings of the master in a nut shell are like this: above this physical existence there are so called spiritual planes. You can generally divide them into 5 main levels, each of them has many sublevels. First two levels (astral and mental) belong to the circle of reincarnation, i.e. as long as you stay here, you must come back to physical world and work out your karma. But once you surpass these 2 levels and you go to the 3-rd level, you are liberated from this circle and you do not need to ever came back, unless it is your will to do so.
Master herself promises to take each student of hers to the 5-th level, which is a level of masters. She does NOT take any money for anything. The requirement is to be at least vegetarian, and possibly vegan (I know what members of this forum think about vegetarianism:) ) and to meditate at least 2,5 hours a day.
During the meditation we are supposed to concentrate on the so called Third Eye, i.e. on the chakra in the middle of the forehead. There are 2 kinds of meditation, on the sound and on the light. I must say, that after the initiation something definitely changed in me and I perceived it as a good change. During the course of my practice I have not experienced much, although I do hear some kind of sound and sometimes I can see the glimpses of white light. It also gives me a peaceful feeling. But there are others who do experience a lot, for example they can hear music, instruments, a violin for example, and they see a lot of light, they can see the so called manifestation body of the master, etc. They also say during the meditation they visit other worlds, like other planets or experience different state of being, like existing in the light, while not having a body, etc.
For a long time the master seemed to me to be a very wise person. For example she taught that doing the so called good deeds, like giving to charity etc. only earns us a good karma, but do not contribute to spiritual progress at all, unless we do things unconditionally and even unknowingly (without ego). This resonated well with my intuition. And now I recognize it as being in tune with STO. Also we were encouraged to ‘spread the teachings’ but we were told to never ever try to force anything on others, unless they come by themselves and ask for it. Just give an information and explain things, if asked. This also seems to be in accord with STO.
Some time ago things started changing. Master started telling things which were contradictory to each other or did not seem logical. I gradually stopped having this feeling that she really knows, what is going on and started having more and more doubts. Some other students also noticed it, although not all. Sometimes I even started to feel as if she was a not the same person any more (and now, since I am more familiar with C’s etc. I think, that maybe she IS a different person, maybe influenced by STS entities). With her leadership our group started a big, enormous campaign aiming to save the world.
What is now taught by the master in short looks like this: our planet is in great danger, global warming is upon us, in order to save the earth, all people or at least most of them must become vegetarians, and possibly vegans, because, first we should be compassionate towards animals (which I agree), secondly this is the only healthy diet, and thirdly raising enormous amounts of animals results in destroying the environment, causing cutting a lot of trees, animals produce a lot of wastes, which in turn produce enormous amounts of metan and this in turn causes hitting of a planet, melting the ice etc (I know that according to C’s an ice age is coming).
In a nut shell, the only way to save the planet is to be vegan and to be ‘green’. And for some time I believed all that, it seemed logical to me.
Also we are told that we are the saints, and we should work wholeheartedly to save the world, that the more we practice, the more positive energy we generate, and this in turn can change the negative atmosphere on the planet.
At the same time other knowledge started coming my way, about us being controlled, about the Lizzies etc., in the beginning that was David Icke, Alex Jones and this kind of stuff, later I read the interview by Cammelot with James (creator of Wingmakers – by the way, this interview is completely different than the rest of his stuff, it knocked me down for a long time, which is exactly what I needed, so even if he belongs to the disinformation side, he was extremely useful for me and a lot of what he says there is in tune to what C’s say. http://projectcamelot.org/james_wingmakers_sovereign_integral.html ). And all these led me to C’s.
For a long time I could not figure out, how can that be, that so many gurus, including my master, seem to know nothing about Lizzies and all the stuff. For me it looked like there were 2 separate courses of teaching; many people/masters were claiming, that right after the physical plain there is an astral one, but all the Lizzies stuff did not match to it at all, and I did know, how to put it together. And then in The Wave I read, what C’s said, that astral plain is in the 5D, and not 4D, and after your physical death you go directly to the 5-th, and you do not go through the 4-th and you do not even you see it.
So now my understanding is that, many so called ‘spiritual masters’ know or have an access to the 5D and they believe that is all there is above the physical. They might know only astral or mental, causal, whatever, depending on their level, and that is what they teach. From this perspective all negative things we see in our world is of our own, people, making, or perhaps animals etc. They do not know, that there is something between (4D). They also teach about Maya, negative force, but nobody tells, what exactly it is (there is a King of Maya, devils etc.).
Putting all I said together it looks like all activity of the group only make Lizzes&Co. happy and is totally STS . It seems like (and James in his interview said that) religion and so called ‘spiritual practice’ with an ‘enlightened master’ are the 2 sides of the same coin - if somebody is dissatisfied with a religion, he can go and practice with this or that master/guru.
So, knowing all that I should immediately leave the group for good. But here comes my doubts and questions. I did stop promoting anything at all, but I am not sure about the value of meditation itself. Because the meditation really seems to work. If not, what is the light, people see during it, and what is the sound they hear? Why does it induce a peaceful feeling? I realized that I do not know, what this meditation really is. Previously I believed that during the initiation I became connected to the higher source of energy and when I sit quietly, I let this energy work on me. And maybe this is the case? Also I remember when Laura said, that we can’t take for granted that we have an astral, mental, causal body, but we must develop them. So maybe the meditation given from somebody familiar with 5D can helps us develop these bodies.
On the other hand I feel, that a method given by somebody who promotes STS activities can NOT be helpful, even if before this person seemed to be wise (and maybe it was just my subjective opinion). Just like with the tree and its fruit.
Or maybe it depends on the motivation of of person. If your motivation is STO, it is helpful, and if it is STS, it is detrimental.
The result for me is that I stopped meditating for some time now, but I really need to know, if this decision is right.
Can sombody here help me understand? :)
ADMIN NOTE: added space lines between paragraphs for easier reading.
this is my first post on this Forum. English is not my native language, so I am a bit afraid if I manage to say what I really want to say.
I have been searching for answers on this forum for some time already. I am also in the process of reading The Wave, although I have not finished it yet. At the moment I am in the state of total confusion, and it drives me crazy. I have many, many questions and one BIG ONE, of a vital importance to me. I hope that somebody here will be willing and able to help me to understand. But before I can ask my questions, I need to tell a bit of my history.
For many years by now I have followed the so called spiritual master, after I have received an initiation from her.
The teachings of the master in a nut shell are like this: above this physical existence there are so called spiritual planes. You can generally divide them into 5 main levels, each of them has many sublevels. First two levels (astral and mental) belong to the circle of reincarnation, i.e. as long as you stay here, you must come back to physical world and work out your karma. But once you surpass these 2 levels and you go to the 3-rd level, you are liberated from this circle and you do not need to ever came back, unless it is your will to do so.
Master herself promises to take each student of hers to the 5-th level, which is a level of masters. She does NOT take any money for anything. The requirement is to be at least vegetarian, and possibly vegan (I know what members of this forum think about vegetarianism:) ) and to meditate at least 2,5 hours a day.
During the meditation we are supposed to concentrate on the so called Third Eye, i.e. on the chakra in the middle of the forehead. There are 2 kinds of meditation, on the sound and on the light. I must say, that after the initiation something definitely changed in me and I perceived it as a good change. During the course of my practice I have not experienced much, although I do hear some kind of sound and sometimes I can see the glimpses of white light. It also gives me a peaceful feeling. But there are others who do experience a lot, for example they can hear music, instruments, a violin for example, and they see a lot of light, they can see the so called manifestation body of the master, etc. They also say during the meditation they visit other worlds, like other planets or experience different state of being, like existing in the light, while not having a body, etc.
For a long time the master seemed to me to be a very wise person. For example she taught that doing the so called good deeds, like giving to charity etc. only earns us a good karma, but do not contribute to spiritual progress at all, unless we do things unconditionally and even unknowingly (without ego). This resonated well with my intuition. And now I recognize it as being in tune with STO. Also we were encouraged to ‘spread the teachings’ but we were told to never ever try to force anything on others, unless they come by themselves and ask for it. Just give an information and explain things, if asked. This also seems to be in accord with STO.
Some time ago things started changing. Master started telling things which were contradictory to each other or did not seem logical. I gradually stopped having this feeling that she really knows, what is going on and started having more and more doubts. Some other students also noticed it, although not all. Sometimes I even started to feel as if she was a not the same person any more (and now, since I am more familiar with C’s etc. I think, that maybe she IS a different person, maybe influenced by STS entities). With her leadership our group started a big, enormous campaign aiming to save the world.
What is now taught by the master in short looks like this: our planet is in great danger, global warming is upon us, in order to save the earth, all people or at least most of them must become vegetarians, and possibly vegans, because, first we should be compassionate towards animals (which I agree), secondly this is the only healthy diet, and thirdly raising enormous amounts of animals results in destroying the environment, causing cutting a lot of trees, animals produce a lot of wastes, which in turn produce enormous amounts of metan and this in turn causes hitting of a planet, melting the ice etc (I know that according to C’s an ice age is coming).
In a nut shell, the only way to save the planet is to be vegan and to be ‘green’. And for some time I believed all that, it seemed logical to me.
Also we are told that we are the saints, and we should work wholeheartedly to save the world, that the more we practice, the more positive energy we generate, and this in turn can change the negative atmosphere on the planet.
At the same time other knowledge started coming my way, about us being controlled, about the Lizzies etc., in the beginning that was David Icke, Alex Jones and this kind of stuff, later I read the interview by Cammelot with James (creator of Wingmakers – by the way, this interview is completely different than the rest of his stuff, it knocked me down for a long time, which is exactly what I needed, so even if he belongs to the disinformation side, he was extremely useful for me and a lot of what he says there is in tune to what C’s say. http://projectcamelot.org/james_wingmakers_sovereign_integral.html ). And all these led me to C’s.
For a long time I could not figure out, how can that be, that so many gurus, including my master, seem to know nothing about Lizzies and all the stuff. For me it looked like there were 2 separate courses of teaching; many people/masters were claiming, that right after the physical plain there is an astral one, but all the Lizzies stuff did not match to it at all, and I did know, how to put it together. And then in The Wave I read, what C’s said, that astral plain is in the 5D, and not 4D, and after your physical death you go directly to the 5-th, and you do not go through the 4-th and you do not even you see it.
So now my understanding is that, many so called ‘spiritual masters’ know or have an access to the 5D and they believe that is all there is above the physical. They might know only astral or mental, causal, whatever, depending on their level, and that is what they teach. From this perspective all negative things we see in our world is of our own, people, making, or perhaps animals etc. They do not know, that there is something between (4D). They also teach about Maya, negative force, but nobody tells, what exactly it is (there is a King of Maya, devils etc.).
Putting all I said together it looks like all activity of the group only make Lizzes&Co. happy and is totally STS . It seems like (and James in his interview said that) religion and so called ‘spiritual practice’ with an ‘enlightened master’ are the 2 sides of the same coin - if somebody is dissatisfied with a religion, he can go and practice with this or that master/guru.
So, knowing all that I should immediately leave the group for good. But here comes my doubts and questions. I did stop promoting anything at all, but I am not sure about the value of meditation itself. Because the meditation really seems to work. If not, what is the light, people see during it, and what is the sound they hear? Why does it induce a peaceful feeling? I realized that I do not know, what this meditation really is. Previously I believed that during the initiation I became connected to the higher source of energy and when I sit quietly, I let this energy work on me. And maybe this is the case? Also I remember when Laura said, that we can’t take for granted that we have an astral, mental, causal body, but we must develop them. So maybe the meditation given from somebody familiar with 5D can helps us develop these bodies.
On the other hand I feel, that a method given by somebody who promotes STS activities can NOT be helpful, even if before this person seemed to be wise (and maybe it was just my subjective opinion). Just like with the tree and its fruit.
Or maybe it depends on the motivation of of person. If your motivation is STO, it is helpful, and if it is STS, it is detrimental.
The result for me is that I stopped meditating for some time now, but I really need to know, if this decision is right.
Can sombody here help me understand? :)
ADMIN NOTE: added space lines between paragraphs for easier reading.
