Question to the C's about China

palestine

palestine

Jedi Master
Hello,

There is a question that I would like to ask the C's, if possible, please.

It comes because of my personal trajectory, which has been including some psychic episodes - like the Polish clairvoyant. My personal experience has been quite sporadic, and in 40 years it happened to me several times only.

It primarily came through dreams - in which I would be seeing some future events, which actually happened. I believe that some members can relate such this type of «information». I have, still, two additional episode types. The first is «On the fly», when meeting a person, for example. I would see a very specific & impacting event, it is like a flash lasting one second, and I just receive the information.

The third type is what motivates my request ; I have absolutely no way to remember how those types came by, and I just know it came to me one day.

And so I have one, «stored», about China. It says that the danger comes from China, because of some form of «cloning» efforts gone unsupervised. It’s «something dark that will put us all in deep doo-doo».

When thinking about it, it might make sense, as China has kind of its own way, today. It seems to be a full fledge specific political and organization of the country, and tech is present. Communism seems quite under control for now, but Lobaczewski casually spoke of communism as «the greatest macrosocial disease» (instead of communism).

I definitely like Xi and the BRICS. But nobody is safe from inside troubles and the grounds would attest of some potential for troubles. A question may be of interest. It would be to ask about an eventual negative development in China, and if so, what level of consideration we should attach to it.

Do you think that it's a good question? I am a bit sorry to expand on "my own psychic abilities" - it may not be taken seriously, I understand and accept that. Another user posted about China and it truly got me worried. It's as if I have that stuff stored inside and that it would be irreponsible not to mention it if I had the opportunity.

Thank you!
 
palestine said:
Do you think that it's a good question? I am a bit sorry to expand on "my own psychic abilities" - it may not be taken seriously, I understand and accept that. Another user posted about China and it truly got me worried. It's as if I have that stuff stored inside and that it would be irreponsible not to mention it if I had the opportunity.
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Hi Palestine, can you formulate a short and concise question? And we can start from there and see if it can be discussed.
 
irjO said:
Hi Palestine, can you formulate a short and concise question? And we can start from there and see if it can be discussed.
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Yes sure - two variants come to mind:
  • "Does China represent a STS future problem?"
  • "Should we worry about a pathocracy in China?"
Note that I really cherish China and am not willing to trigger unwanted energy spending. For now, seems they are doing pretty well.
 
I think this question can probably be answered through our own research and networking. A good place to start is to look at what the C's said about China so far, eg. that they have a much lower percentage of psychopaths than the West.
 
axj said:
I think this question can probably be answered through our own research and networking. A good place to start is to look at what the C's said about China so far, eg. that they have a much lower percentage of psychopaths than the West.
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Cool, I will head this way unless my question receives some endorsements of some sort. Are there Chinese people here on the forum? I would definitely love to hear about some personal takes on China, because I am having hard times figuring how to set my brain in regard of various diverging ideas. But overall, it's a go Xi for me and I hope that the BRICS will be able to show the world a huge positive multipolarity :thup:
 
axj said:
A good way to do it is to write down your diverging ideas on China here and get some feedback. Collaborative research and networking is what this forum is all about.
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Thank you.

Well, I don't know much how to conciliate the idea of a social credit system with a perennial state of affairs. I have been reading about a caricature going by "no smile, no medical care", basically. Of course, this may be caricatural and the exact flaw of such a system. The question would be for me to understand if such is really happening on a big scale, or if there is a divergence in term of reality. I find it actually quite hard than to figure out another way than "there is a social credit system > you need to get points in order to benefit from medical care".

Still. As a person basically "following the rules", I may foresee some kind of perennial society based on everybody "behaving". Is it the case, in China? This would explain things, and lessen the whole "credit-system-no-medical-care" in favour of something beneficial for people. Well, sincerely asking! Thing is that I entirely rely on other people's takes - I never have been to China.

And see, there is this guy, literally ringing the alarm about the CCP... He's like an apocalypse Diogene, trying to attract our attention to the "behind the doors" situation. I am sensitive to it. And so, what is reality, for China.

Add to this that I have that odd feeling storred in myself, that old dream of mine in which the troubles on the planet start there... I have zero possibility of proving that this isn't STS programming. I have an intrinsic feeling that it's genuine. I would be the first of the idiots when figuring out that there is nothing. But you know, I need to attach attention to my inner instincts and developp the muscle of "discernement of spiritual falsehood" - because there are sometimes valid flashes. Eh, that's a common one I believe, so I feel puzzled as to what to do. But in a first place, I believe that it would be of my duty / personal responsibility to speak about it.
 
palestine said:
Well, I don't know much how to conciliate the idea of a social credit system with a perennial state of affairs.
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There seems to be a lot of disinformation about a social credit system in China. As far as I can tell it is only true in some of the regions or cities in China and in fact the Chinese government seems to have outlawed using such scores to punish citizens.

This is a summary by Brave AI:

As of 2025, there is no unified personal social credit score system in China that dictates individuals' place in society. The concept of a single score for all citizens has been debunked by the Mercator Institute for China Studies (MERICS), which stated that such a score is a myth. Instead, local governments have their own social record systems that operate differently, and private versions are run by companies like Ant Financial's Sesame Credit, but these are opt-in services. In 2019, the Chinese government issued guidelines to prevent misuse, explicitly stating that scores cannot be used to punish citizens. Many pilot programs that assigned scores to individuals were discontinued or revised to be voluntary with no major consequences for low scores. However, some cities continue to issue rewards based on positive behaviors.
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I don’t think this is a China only issue, we got the credit score system in the US and also the AI plans to utilize it to get more information from us, and as a way to controlling us as ultimate goal. Also, China is not creating war and bombing other countries, and the fact that in the UK you can get arrested by posting things on Facebook or instagram is way more concerning, similar in New Zealand!
 
Polish youtuber living in China, Weronika Truszczynska, in one of her videos said that social credit system for individual citizens doesn't exist.
What do exist is a black list of companies which broke the law or don't pay their debts towards other companies (after losing in court). That list is operated by the supreme court. The consequences of being on such a list may include the inability to apply for government contracts, enter the stock market, issue bonds, or seek government grants. It also involves data exchange between institutions—meaning that if a company commits a crime in one area, other institutions will be aware of it. Additionally, the owner of such a company may lose the ability to purchase first-class train or plane tickets. In general, premium services for this person are restricted. In my opinion, if this is indeed how it works, it’s a great solution. In Poland, many entrepreneurs deceive others without facing any consequences—I know people like this. They think they can trick everyone, typical scheming behavior. So, such a system would work great here.

Weronika also criticizes China for certain things in her videos, but she has lived there for a very long time, and if life there were truly bad, she wouldn’t have stayed that long. China has its problems like working conditions in some factories, some companies don't offer days off almost at all, overwork etc. It's the same in South Korea or Japan in that matter. Overall, she speaks positively about the country. There are other creators like her, such as a polish man with a Chinese wife who runs his own business in China. He claims that life there is very good, healthcare is excellent, and people in cities earn a lot. Of course, there are places where people live in poverty, but where aren’t there such places? I think in Poland, the USA, Russia, and everywhere in the world, there are areas with poverty.

In general, China is a country developing at an incredible pace, with many talented individuals who have the space to grow—for example, in robotics (they are creating the first home assistant robots for elderly people). I once met some Chinese women at a scientific symposium in Thailand—they were very elegant, intelligent, laughing, and enjoying life. These people live differently from the West. They have their own smartphone apps, online stores, and the market is dominated by domestic corporations. Of course, it’s not all perfect, as corporations are ruthless everywhere. But where is perfect?

That’s all from me, but I’d love to talk more about China.
 
An acquaintance went to China for work. He went to various provinces on weekends thanks to the train system that he describes as a science fiction experience. He found no credit system, the streets are clean and people are polite. I met with a colleague who traveled to China since the 90's and according to him, it's unrecognizable how people used to live then and how they live now. Western media cannot be trusted about China or Russia or anything in fact, because success stories are a mirror to one's own failure.
 
Elisasheva said:
In general, China is a country developing at an incredible pace, with many talented individuals who have the space to grow—for example, in robotics (they are creating the first home assistant robots for elderly people). I once met some Chinese women at a scientific symposium in Thailand—they were very elegant, intelligent, laughing, and enjoying life. These people live differently from the West. They have their own smartphone apps, online stores, and the market is dominated by domestic corporations. Of course, it’s not all perfect, as corporations are ruthless everywhere. But where is perfect?

That’s all from me, but I’d love to talk more about China.
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mkrnhr said:
An acquaintance went to China for work. He went to various provinces on weekends thanks to the train system that he describes as a science fiction experience. He found no credit system, the streets are clean and people are polite. I met with a colleague who traveled to China since the 90's and according to him, it's unrecognizable how people used to live then and how they live now. Western media cannot be trusted about China or Russia or anything in fact, because success stories are a mirror to one's own failure.
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Thank you both for your answers.

Thank you Elisasheva for your extensive answer.

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