Questioning Everything Intently.

Panther Black

The Force is Strong With This One
I've been reading the Wave, and all kinds of questions have been coming into my mind.

Here are some questions (I've been looking into).

Why is it so detrimental to you to be looking out from the surface? As in, at the surface, from the surface...two beings, from surface to surface conversation, for example. Picking foods at the grocery store from surface looks, from memory of how it tastes. Making friends with those who look good on the outside, or who have things that are considered, from the surface world, to be valuable.

How is it that the human when in 4d sto, stumbled into such a prison? And have been there for so long, and are as well to this present day, still in danger of not getting out of that prison.

Where exactly did humans first originate? Not the bodily ones that we see here walking around the planet. Those who were by what the Cassiopaeans said, in 4th density STO state. Let's make it easier. Where did they come from before 4th density STO...as we all know that they are from 7th density. But what do you know about 7th density, when we don't even know about 6th density, and what pure thought is.

Where did the Lizard beings originate? Why were the Lizard beings focused on the humans, to see a weakness, to present to them this prison they are now in?

And would the Lizard beings originate from another species, then where did they, that other species originate? And what is their purpose in this hunt for the humans to keep them enslaved? To what? To live on a planet with minerals, plants and animals, to eat, work, play, sleep and die, to be born into this structure again? While the Lizzies tend to them, like man does to cattle? For what? To live in a portion of the Universe with minerals, plants and animals to eat work play sleep die and be born right back again?

When I looked at all these questions, I found there was a number three in there. So they all come from 7th density? Some of them are from the end of the triangle that has a positive bent, and others from another part of the triangle that has a negative bend, and another part of the triangle that is bent toward neutral?

When you put those three aspects into the significance of THOUGHT, then all these three thought forms are in constant motion amongst one another. Wherefore, there must be a perfect balance or way or place for all the thoughts to be at, such as principles...which lead to what is called 7th density.

Wherefore when the humans travelled away from the use of their inner reasoning thoughts, they were now from the surface desires, in Lizard territory, or what we would term negative. But, the humans were negative by not using their full round of thought in order to make a correct decision. Would they in fact not like it here and not want to be here, then the next solution is they would need to fulfill the thought patterns of positive, to exit the negative, to get back to 4th 5th or 6th density in an STO state. And obviously the principles were taught to us already, which would be found in the teachings such as, do unto others as you would want done to you, and love your neighbors etc. Even Gurdjieff was teaching that. And there are more, such as, don't run away from your fears because you will only be attracting them more. Would you really to want to leave this place then you would have to face the situation, such as use your full thought capacity, not just say that you don't like it here because it's too hard blah blah blah, and so you want out. That isn't going to get you out of here.

Or! ...the humans were up to something, and they purposely made a decision to do this and led the other side to think that they were in the wrong. So the game heightens in great proportion to what was going on, rather than what we thought was the situation...because it was all hidden. Why would the humans tell the other ones what they were up to, would they be up to something entirely different than the Lizards were thinking, because the Lizards may have been thinking only on the surface side, which is to make their ego feel better by dropping the human into a prison and then using them as slaves. I don't think that gave them much rest, would you? to think that slavery of the humans under Lizard command would have a restful place in there somewhere for the masters over the humans? Just like humans with their new technology, there is still no rest anywhere near in sight, is there?

Think up your own questions, and follow the thread of where those questions lead. Like for example, what about the consortium? There are some big questions right there...that could turn into little questions, and then evaporate, just the same.

We should all be looking for the root. And questions help us to get there. Question everything. That was another principle they gave us.
 
Hi Panther Black, it would be helpful if you could finish reading the Wave and Adventure Series in their entirety before asking questions, since most of your questions are answered in the reading.

With that said, your first question makes little sense to me, and several of your other statements are rather nebulous as well:

pb said:
Why is it so detrimental to you to be looking out from the surface? As in, at the surface, from the surface...two beings, from surface to surface conversation, for example. Picking foods at the grocery store from surface looks, from memory of how it tastes. Making friends with those who look good on the outside, or who have things that are considered, from the surface world, to be valuable.

Perhaps you can gain some clarity by continuing to read, and, as you read, writing down questions you have along the way in a journal, then reviewing those questions at the end to see if they are still unanswered. Then, bring those unanswered questions here.
 
Panther Black, as Anart said, many questions you have will be answered in your continued reading. The question that you asked that Anart quoted above, may be , in a way, indirectly answered in part from this quote of one of Laura's posts, from this thread: http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=395.90


Laura said:
Dimitris said:
NO-THING has meaning in itself and for itself - that is, apart from the seeker of that meaning for him/herself and his/her own existence(being)-in-the-world.
I don't exactly agree. The first Divine Command is BE! and the engendered thing/being is its own meaning. It is man's gift and challenge to find the meaning that is closest to the meaning of the engendered thing/creature. It's just another level of communication: can you understand what another person says or means AS they understand it and wish to convey it? The closer the communicator and communicatee are to "identical understanding," or "oneness," or deep empathy, the closer the communicatee comes to the meaning that is essence/being of the communicator.

When the weight is assigned to the "seeker of meaning," that suggests an almost entropic twisting of meaning to suit the self rather than a true attempt to leave prejudice "at the door" when considering the engendered thing/being.

Dimitris said:
In this fundamental aporia of the human condition, one's relation to Evil - a meaning-less thing, par excellence - often assumes pivotal importance, especially if one confronts Evil directly, in the core of one's being, is thereby injured by it and survives to query its "meaning" for him/herself and the world.

The need, demand or Search for Meaning is, therefore, a phenomenological corner-stone (a key criterion) for the possession of a Soul before AND after its confrontation with Evil which is the absolute negation of Meaning. In this sense, Evil often functions as an 'acid-test' for the Soul, for the flowering or suppression of its halmarks (eg empathy, virtue, capacity to love etc).

But this does not mean that this is either the "meaning" or the cause or, indeed, the abstract Reason of Evil.
I see it somewhat differently. Evil is not "meaning-less." The great Sufi Shaykh Ibn al-’Arabi explains that “imperfection” exists in Creation because “were there no imperfection, the perfection of existence would be imperfect”. From the point of view of Sheer Being, there is nothing but good. But Infinite Potential to BE includes - by definition of the word “infinite” - the potential to not be. And so, Infinite Potential “splits” into Thought Centers of Creation and Thought Centers of non-being. It can be said that Infinite Potential is fundamentally Binary - on or off - to be or not to be. That is the first “division”.

Since absolute non-being is an impossible paradox in terms of the source of Infinite Potential to BE, the half of the consciousness of Infinite Potential that constitute the IDEAS of non-being - for every idea of manifestation, there is a corresponding idea for that item of creation to NOT manifest - “falls asleep” for lack of a better term. Its “self observation” is predicated upon consciousness that can only “mimic” death. Consciousness that mimics death then “falls” and becomes Primal Matter. What this means is that the “self observing self” at the level of the Master of the Universe is constituted of this initial division between Being and Non-being which is, again, only the initial division - the on/off, the yes/no - of creation. You could picture this as an open eye observing a closed eye. It has been represented for millennia in the yin-yang symbol, which, even on the black half that represents “sleeping consciousness that is matter”, you can see the small white dot of “being” that represents to us that absolute non-existence is not possible. There is only “relative” non-existence.

These “thoughts of being and non-being” interact with one another - the observer and the observed - like a viewer looking into a mirror. Creation manifests between the viewer and the mirror. It is at once real, because it consists of matter informed by consciousness, and unreal, because it is ultimately composed of only consciousness acting on consciousness.

At our level of reality, the understanding that “nothing is real”, as has been promulgated by gurus and teachers down through history, is as useless as saying “gravity isn’t real”. Such considerations are useful only for expansion of perception. They are not useful for practical application since the energies of creation apparently transduce through several “levels” before they meet in the middle, so to say, in our third density reality. Organic life exists at the “crossroads” of the myriad ideas or thought centers of being and non-being. As such, they have the capacity to transduce energies “up” or “down” depending on the “consciousness energy directors” of that unit. And again, there are apparently two broad divisions: directed toward being/ observing, or directed toward non-being/ mirroring. This division manifests across all levels of organic life, including human beings. Human beings exist to transduce cosmic energies of creation via organic life. Our “higher selves” are the directors of this transducing of cosmic energies, and the direction in which the energy “flows” is determined by the activities of these higher selves. Against the opposition of those forces seeking to “capture” energy of consciousness and induce it to the “sleep of non-being”, which is gravitational in a certain sense, the energies of consciousness seek to “inform” matter, via awakening the self-awareness of those organic units on earth that are capable of resistance to the gravity of non-being.

As self-aware “transducing units”, the human being has the potential for going either way - toward intensified being, or toward intensified non-being. In this sense, humans also function very much like a lens that can be “adjusted” like a telescope. It can be dialed to select the viewing range, which can be distant and inclusive of more “space/time”, or it can be shortened to only see what is up close and evident in the material world. In other words, our first and most fundamental choice is to choose what we SEE.

When we choose what we SEE - and here we do NOT mean with the physical eyes or even psychically, but rather a more inclusive term that suggests whether or not we are capable of objectivity or subjectivity - we are receiving impressions. Impressions can become knowledge if assimilated. Knowledge leads to awareness. Knowledge and awareness then direct emotions, which then energize actions in the organic world. This is the transducing of energies of Cosmic Thought Centers.

Ibn al-’Arabi tells us that Goodness is Being; to which all positive and beautiful attributes or “names” of God belong. Evil is the lack of good, so it is “nonexistence”. In other words, at the root, Being dwells in “non-existence” which is evil. Here is the sticking point, the item that is generally omitted from most “systems of ascension”. Human beings at our level of reality exist at the crossroads of the Thoughts of Being and Non-being - Good and Evil. Mankind is made in the form of all the names of God - those of Being and Non-being. Assuming the traits of the Names is synonymous with manifesting their properties. The Science of Ascension is to obtain deep knowledge of all the Names and their true properties, the high and the low, the pleasant and the loathsome, the light and the darkness, in differentiated detail, so as to be able to CHOOSE which traits will be assumed. It is only with a full field of vision that a man can discover if what he subjectively thinks is good actually is good and leads to Being, or if it is a deception that induces to Non-being by pretense.

God is the root of ALL Names, noble and base. The task of the seeker is to bring the Noble traits from latency into actuality and to discover the positive applications of the base traits - even if that application is to “overcome” or transmute. The Shaykh tells us “noble character traits are only those connected to interaction with others”. In other words: DOing. If you SEE the illusion of separation, that is certainly the first thing. The lie is smuggled in by suggesting that this is all that is necessary, that if you just “see it” everything will “change” for you.

God creates the good and the evil, the ugly and the beautiful, the straight and the crooked, the moral and the immoral. Between these traits lie the manifold dangers of the path of the seeker of Truth. Many modern day “teachers” and “gurus” tell us, “Since there is only One Being which permeates all things, all we have to do is see everything as only light”, and that will transmute the darkness, and we will “create our own reality of light”. Such a statement ignores the fact that the statement “God is One” describes a reality that is a higher level from which our own “mixed being” manifests. The man who assumes that he can become like God at this level just by thinking it, ignores the facts of Being vs. Non-being which outrays from “God is One” at a level of existence that is clearly several levels above our own.

Evil is REAL on its own level, and the task of man is to navigate the Cosmic Maze without being defiled by the Evil therein. This is the root of Free Will. Man faces a predicament as REAL as himself: he is forced to choose - to utilize his knowledge by applying it - between the straight path which leads to Being, and the crooked paths which lead to Non-Being. Human beings are required to discern between good and evil - consciousness energy directors - at every stage of their existence in this reality. Because, in fact, they must understand that God is consciousness and God is matter. God is good, and God is evil. The Creation assumes all the different properties of the many “Names of God”. The Cosmos is full of Life-giving and Slaying, Forgiveness and Vengeance, Exaltation and Abasement, Guidance and Deception. To attempt to assume God’s point of view and “mix everything” at this level, results only in STAYING at this level. Therefore, human beings must always separate God’s point of view from their own point of view and the fact that all creation assumes the divine Names and Traits.

Thus, the first Divine Command is BE! And that includes Being and Non-being instantaneously. Therefore, the second law is “follow Being or Non-being according to your choice and your inherent nature”. All creation is a result of this engendering command. So, in this respect, there is no Evil,but the second, prescriptive law determines to which “Face of God” one will return: Life or Death.

William Chittick said:
If the engendering command alone is considered, there is no imperfection in the cosmos, since all creatures follow what God desires for them. In this respect, what is normally called “imperfection“ is in fact perfection, since it allows for the actualization of the various levels of existence and knowledge. In other words, were there no imperfections - in the sense of diminishment, decrease, and lack - there would be no creation. Were there no creation, the Hidden Treasure would remain hidden. Hence Being would be unseen in every respect. There would be no self-disclosure of the Divine Reality, Light would not shine, and God would be the Nonmanifest but not the Manifest. But all this is absurd, since it demands the imperfection of Being Itself, which by definition is nondelimited perfection. Being’s perfection requires the manifestation of Its properties. The effects of the Names and Attributes must be displayed for God to be God. […] In other words, Imperfection is demanded by existence itself. To be “other than God” is to be imperfect. …But it is precisely the “otherness” which allows the cosmos and all the creatures within it to exist. If things were perfect in every respect, they would be identical with God Himself, and there would be nothing “other than God.” But then we could not even speak about the cosmos, since there would be no cosmos and no speakers. …So, imperfection is a kind of perfection. (Chittick)
At the particular stage of existence in which man finds himself, he is equally “receptive” toward the Two primary Faces of God: Being and Non-being. The Shaykh tells us that whatever property, or trait, any human being ultimately “chooses” is what it originally possessed in its state of immutability. The task of the Seeker is to discover what is immutable within, and to purify and amplify it. This is the development of Will. Will is a relationship, which follows knowledge while knowledge follows the object of knowledge. In the process of “ascension”, the object of knowledge is YOU. Knowledge, in and of itself, has no effects. YOU, however, the seeker, can give to knowledge what you actually are, in yourself, thereby displaying YOURSELF in knowledge by your actions in concert with your knowledge.

As noted, there are many Names of God that call to us in our present state of existence. But you are not required to answer every one that calls. The fact that human beings are, in general, ignorant of their own true “essence” gives them the illusion of freedom. And the fact is, all paths come from God, and all paths Lead back to God, but again, it can be via different faces. As the Shaykh says: “Unto Allah all things come home, and he is the end of every path. However, the important thing is which divine name you will reach and to which you will come home?”

Dimitris said:
Although I have great respect for Lobaczewski's "Ponerology", as an empirical description of a particular manifestation of Psychological Evil (Psychopathy) from the perspective of mainstream psychiatry, I don't think that such an empiricist clinical methodology can make us any wiser about the causes and mechanisms whereby Psychopathy becomes so pervasive in the higher echelons of political, economic and military Power as to merit the term 'Pathocracy'.

I would sympathise of course, if an American tells me that Bush, Cheney, Wolfowitz, Feith, Perle, Libby etc increasingly resemble Hitler, Stalin, Beria or Pol Pot in their "psychopathic" traits, utterances and actions.

But I would still doubt that such a 'diagnosis' or 'label' can make these traits, utterances and actions more comprehensible than they already are to those - like our friend, Durand - who simply brand them as "evil men" and refuse to have anything to do with them - "period!"
Of course it will never make sense to such as Durand and those that are, in essence, of that very nature (or so it seems to me) because, like the Vampire that casts no reflection in the mirror, the essence of non-being is to believe in non-existence - a lie. At this level of existence, that belief manifests in this peculiar way - sort of deep self-denial.

And this brings us to what the Shaykh calls “perspicacity”. This is the special development of the “eye of insight”, or “seeing the unseen” that is crucial to the Seeker. Just as the physical eye, with the refraction of light from the Sun, can discern between the large and the small, the beautiful and the ugly, the shades of colors, the moving from the still, the high and the low, the ability to see the unseen is a property of an “inner light”. This light reveals to the seeker things about external objects that are NOT apparent to the five senses. It reveals to its possessor when a choice that may appear to be benevolent, is a step on the path of Evil. It reveals when a choice that may appear to human estimation as negative is actually a difficult step to felicity for all involved. The Sufis tell us that some individuals have achieved such a level of “seeing” that - upon seeing a person’s footprint on the ground, even if the person is not present - they are able to say whether he is following a life of felicity or wretchedness.

The light of perspicacity seems to be a gift that not everyone has, and those who do have it, may not have developed it to the same degree. What is evident is that those who have it possess an immutable nature of Being which is able to “see” good and evil - they do not see “only good”. Thus, they are able to discern between the “calls” of Nonbeing and Being, and therefore, are able to strengthen their Will along the path of intrinsic Being. It then follows that individuals who are not able to see - or who choose not to see - both Good and Evil, are formed in the mold of subjectivity, which is the human expression of the Call of Non-being.
A human being whose immutable nature is that of Being can strengthen the light of perspicacity by “assuming the traits” of the Names of Being. This does not mean that a person comes to possess traits that do not already belong to him. It means that these traits are amplified and “cultivated”. The Ruling property of an individual is determined by what Face of God is disclosed to him, and this is determined by his preparedness. Felicity can only be disclosed when Evil has been turned away from, rejected; which can only be achieved by a long period of “testing” or being challenged to SEE and then to choose Being over Non-being in order to grow the Will or alignment to Being in a feedback loop. As the Seeker travels this path, he must not see these traits as his own, but rather that he is a locus of God’s manifestation of an ontological attribute.

From our point of view, being able to present these matters in a way that ordinary people can grasp them, even if they are only dealing with a certain level of understanding, is crucial in our world today. After all, if we only present things that "great intellect" can grasp, how then are we serving humanity as a whole? And certainly, the issue of the psychopath represents, in this reality, a great truth of higher realities: as above, so below.

Dimitris said:
Let me put my earlier question about Cryptocracy and its Occult underpinnings in another way: What is the crucial qualitative difference between, on the one hand, the psychopathy of American serial killers (like the Boston Strangler), ritual mass murderers like Charles Manson or a serial child killers trading in "donor organs", and, on the other hand, the above-listed assortment of 'Pathocrats'?
Just as with any group, there are many variations and even "strengths" of manifestation of qualities. That is due, quite simply, to genetic recombination.

Dimitris said:
If it's not the fact that the latter have been subjected - more or less willingly - to a process of Occult Initiation by the dark 'adepts' of Secret Societies, Lodges or Agencies, into the demonic rituals, the agendas, the ways and means of the Cryptocracy, including the art of double-speak and detached indifference to human suffering they cause on a global scale - THEN, WHAT ELSE IS THE DISTINCTIVE HALMARK OF A 'PATHOCRAT' as opposed to your average, run-of-the-mill, certified psychopaths who fill the cells of US asylums for the criminally insane or death rows??
I don't disagree that some psychopaths may have been subjected to a "process of Occult Initiation." And such individuals may form "magnets" for other psychopaths to gather around. And they may then "spread the infection." Lobaczewski discusses this in his book (which is almost ready for printing, by the way), as well as many other things. It's not really fair to discuss it without having read all of it.

But I don't think that it is psychopaths that we really have to worry about here in such terms. They are just tools. Using your example, certainly Bush and a lot of others belong to such "occult societies." But it is easy to observe the puppet like behavior of Bush. There is, quite simply, nobody home there. But then, there are other types of psychopaths such as Cheney and Rove that grew up in a different environment and were not "tapped" for induction because of family connections. One wonders if they may have been inducted later in life, that there may be a special category for such as they? That is not to say that any given individual could not, by his very nature, seek such "communion with darkness" and achieve it without benefit of any human agency, but I suspect that such "yearning" requires a degree of consciousness that the psychopath does not have. I even suspect that Lobaczewski's description of the "essential psychopath" relates to something quite different from the "garden variety"; a creature with a "black magnetic center," as Mouravieff describes it.

Another point to be made is that many "average, run-of-the-mill, certified psychopaths" do NOT live in any cells whatsoever, in asylums or prisons. They are fully functional in society (to society's great distress) and never cross that line of committing an illegal act that can cause them to be apprehended and confined.

I think it would be very useful if you were to study the literature on the subject a bit more so as to have a better grasp of the available observations of the different types and degrees. Not everything is due to some deep, dark, occult factors such as societies and so on, though certainly there are deep, dark occult factors of some nature involved. In fact, a lot that is entropic about our world is quite simply mechanical.

The Thought Center of non-being is of a certain nature - contractile subjectivity - that exerts a more or less “gravitational” pull - a desire to absorb and assimilate the soul energies of Being - so as to feed its own contracting nature. Even if it promotes a full field of awareness in principle, it can only view Being as a traitor to its own need to not exist. This results in an individual who may proclaim that all is illusion, but whose actions - or rather lack thereof - betray the deeper immutable state of being. Due to its intrinsic nature, there is a powerful exertion of non-being to destroy and obviate Being and Creation - all the while it is unable to achieve the awareness that it only exists by virtue of Being and Creation IN ACTION!

The powerful exertion of the Thought Center of non-being to absorb and assimilate all of creation, powered by its own contractile subjectivity, poses certain problems both for itself and for Being. Since the fundament of non-being is a LIE - that is to say, the state of absolute non-being that it promotes is a paradoxical impossibility - and the fundament of Being is the objective fact that Existence simply IS via ACTION - or utilization of knowledge which generates light, the essential conflict is between lies and truth. The Thought Center of non-being tells itself the biggest lie of all - that it does not exist - and goes to sleep in pretense. And from this essential point, we see that the nature of subjectivity is that of lies. Lies and belief in lies - whether or not the believer is aware that they are believing a lie - all partake of the same essence - subjectivity and non-being.

The Thought Center of non-being - in its expression as matter - as being “impressed” by Creative consciousness in ACTION, which partially awakens it and draws it into the creation of the organic world - wraps itself around this awakened consciousness. Its intrinsic nature of pretense to non-being acts “gravitationally” on consciousness, and twists and distorts it into varying degrees of subjectivity. It is this interaction of the energy of all possibility, lensed through subjectivity of matter, that produces the myriad manifestations of the material universe.

In the realm of the Thought Center of non-being, there are many manifestations - or ways - of seeking annihilation - the “Base Names of God”. These modes act in a gravitational way to engage, enfold, and distort consciousness to their ends. This results in the formation of consciousness units of great power and depth of cunning - far beyond anything imaginable in our own reality.

These consciousness units use their wiles to assimilate weaker consciousness units so as to accrue more contractile power. Obviously, the more “dense” the consciousness units “consumed”, the more “nutritious” they are. And so they seek, by great cunning, to carefully, and with great patience, manipulate the consciousness units selected for assimilation. It is, effectively, trans-millennial stalking.

These Overlords of Entropy, or so we may call them, by virtue of the overlay of intensified subjectivity, - the hallmark of the influence of the Thought Center of non-being - interface with the organic world on a “geographic” scale. Since they have, so to say, an intimate relationship with matter, the contractile consciousness of such a being can affect its area of chosen dominion very much like an overshadowing “cloud” with millions of tendrils of connections between it and its range of influence. This includes even the very matter of the bodies of human beings. It is through these etheric fibers that the Overlords of Entropy assimilate energy.

These overlords have “organs” so to speak. Just as a group of people were described by the Apostle Paul as “the body of Christ”, so are the organs of entropic overlords manifested as individual beings, though their direct connection to a single massive consciousness unit makes them more like “projections” than individually souled beings.

Because of their great drive to conserve and assimilate energy, the overlords are “stingy” with allowances to their organ-beings. It seems that they do not “waste” energy in manifesting and maintaining organic structures for their organs, and thus the organic physicality takes on the configuration of less complex creatures in the organic world. (i.e. psychopaths of various types). Rather than interacting with an organic structure in a cooperative, awakened state, they exercise control over theirs. Utilizing organic structures that require the least energy to maintain conserves energy. To this end, they draw the energy for their organic units from the pools of archetypal form of the animal kingdom. This energy is more easily accessed, is lower in frequency, and thus more amenable to control.

Due to the contractile nature of this hierarchy and its energy consumption, it is extremely difficult for these organ-beings of the Overlords of Entropy to actively function in our realm for any period of time. When they enter our realm, assuming a third density organic form, they are at a disadvantage. They are temporarily disconnected from the energy pool, which weakens them, but they are at another great disadvantage as well. Since they are not internally connected to an expanding, creative feedback loop of Creative Being, their own entropic overlord is a constant drain on them, pulling them gravitationally as it were, making them even weaker than the natural denizens of this realm.

They thus must "feed" constantly, in a mechanical way, and they don't necessarily need to have an occult initiation of any kind to do that. As noted, the nature of such beings, and the dynamic of their existence, requires massive energy input in order to “control” and direct their own organic physicality. This is possible at the level of overlord/sub-units of the Thought Center of non-being by virtue of the extensive assimilation of other consciousness units, and most especially by virtue of their “geographic” character, which enables them to “connect” to thousands, if not millions, of organic beings in the organic realm. This is, effectively, the “Program of the Matrix”.

This connection is naturally enabled by the aforementioned intrinsic nature of organic units to only perceive the field of view of the organic realm. That is to say that mechanical and material feedback loops are far more easily created between organic units and the sub-units of Non-being by a sort of “gravitational” pull of these sub-units upon the natural inclinations of the organic being.

This establishes “feedback loops” as previously described. The organic unit, “infected” with the material/mechanical view, begins to act according to that Thought Center’s dictates, and this generates activities of that nature in the organic unit. Due to the fact that any given sub-unit of the Thought Center of non-being may be connected to millions of organic units in third density, any of them may be activated singly, or in concert, to fulfill the wishes of the Overlords of Entropy, a “larger” sub-unit of the Thought Center of Non-being.

Gurdjieff talked about this in the following way:

Gurdjieff said:
"The process of evolution, of that evolution which is possible for humanity as a whole, is completely analogous, to the process of evolution possible for the individual man. And it begins with the same thing, namely, a certain group of cells gradually becomes conscious; then it attracts to itself other cells, subordinates others, and gradually makes the whole organism serve its aims and not merely eat, drink, and sleep. This is evolution and there can be no other kind of evolution. In humanity as in individual man everything begins with the formation of a conscious nucleus. All the mechanical forces of life fight against the formation of this conscious nucleus in humanity, in just the same way as all mechanical habits, tastes and weaknesses fight against conscious self-remembering in man."

"Can it be said that there is a conscious force which fights against the evolution of humanity?" I asked.

"From a certain point of view it can be said," said G.

I am putting this on record because it would seem to contradict what he said before, namely, that there are only two forces struggling in the world—"consciousness" and "mechanicalness."

"Where can this force come from?" I asked.

"It would take a long time to explain," said G., "and it cannot have a practical significance for us at the present moment.

"There are two processes which are sometimes called 'involutionary' and 'evolutionary.' The difference between them is the following:

An involutionary process begins consciously in the Absolute but at the next step it already becomes mechanical—and it becomes more and more mechanical as it develops;

an evolutionary process begins half-consciously but it becomes more and more conscious as its develops.

But consciousness and conscious opposition to the evolutionary process can also appear at certain moments in the, involutionary process.

From where does this consciousness come?

From the evolutionary process of course.

The evolutionary process must proceed without interruption. Any stop causes a separation from the fundamental process. Such separate fragments of consciousnesses which have been stopped in their development can also unite and at any rate for a certain time can live by struggling against the evolutionary process. After all it merely makes the evolutionary process more interesting.

Instead of struggling against mechanical forces there may, at certain moments, be a struggle against the intentional opposition of fairly powerful forces though they are not of course comparable with those which direct the evolutionary process. These opposing forces may sometimes even conquer.

The reason for this consists in the fact that the forces guiding evolution have a more limited choice of means; in other words, they can only make use of certain means and certain methods. The opposing forces are not limited in their choice of means and they are able to make use of every means, even those which only give rise to a temporary success, and in the final result they destroy both evolution and involution at the point in question.
My thought would be that "occult initiation" of the deepest sort is only available to those with souls... not "run of the mill" psychopaths. Psychopaths are merely tools, extensions of Thought Centers of non-being "inserted" into our reality to act as conduits of energy consumption - rather like hollow straws...

Finally, yes, it is probably true that, at the highest levels, there is an occult secret society. But if the average person cannot handle the idea of 911 being an inside job, how the heck do you think they could handle the idea of the rulers at the top being part of a secret society with occult connections that might be termed even demonic? (Actually, Lobaczewski alludes to this in two brief remarks in his book.)

We've published articles that refer to these matters, but we don't push that idea because, as I mentioned, we would like to help the greatest number of people come to some understanding of this reality and the way NOT to do that is to start ranting about demonic occult secret societies. In a certain sense, we are trying to "break it to them gently," and do it as fast and as efficiently as possible without scaring the hell out of 'em. Most people can't stand the kind of deep, soul fear that results from really, REALLY, grokking the "Terror of the Situation." What's more, there may very well be "lost OP" types that also need guidance and assistance to become free from similar influences. If, for them, the higher realms do not exist, what good does it do to talk to them about those realities that are so abstract? Better to give them something that they can really grok: a totally reality based explanation for why things are the way they are, why there is so much pain and suffering.

There is a very small percentage of people on the planet who can deal with the deepest levels of knowledge and awareness. We don't need to teach them anything. But we do see it as our duty to try to serve the largest number of people and to try to do it in a way that really serves them. That brings us back to my initial remarks about communication: we have to find the way to communicate things so that distortion between communicator and communicatee is minimized.
 
This is awesome. I love it. Thanks EmeraldHope. This is exactly what I meant in my post! Appreciate it. You have excellent recall. It's remarkable! Reading my post and then knowing exActly what to put in here, which helped me tremendously.


Anart, just read Laura's post that EmeraldHope put in here. It's what the questioning is all about.
 
Panther Black said:
This is awesome. I love it. Thanks EmeraldHope. This is exactly what I meant in my post! Appreciate it. You have excellent recall. It's remarkable! Reading my post and then knowing exActly what to put in here, which helped me tremendously.


Anart, just read Laura's post that EmeraldHope put in here. It's what the questioning is all about.

Hi PantherBlack, you seemed to have missed my point. My point is that, as someone who is interested in learning - gaining knowledge that you can deeply integrate into your own understanding and apply - it is much more beneficial for you to work through things with your own thought processes than be handed them on a platter. The other thing to consider is that it is externally considerate of you to do as much work yourself as possible first, before asking questions. This benefits you and others. Hopefully that clarifies.
 
anart said:
Panther Black said:
This is awesome. I love it. Thanks EmeraldHope. This is exactly what I meant in my post! Appreciate it. You have excellent recall. It's remarkable! Reading my post and then knowing exActly what to put in here, which helped me tremendously.


Anart, just read Laura's post that EmeraldHope put in here. It's what the questioning is all about.

Hi PantherBlack, you seemed to have missed my point. My point is that, as someone who is interested in learning - gaining knowledge that you can deeply integrate into your own understanding and apply - it is much more beneficial for you to work through things with your own thought processes than be handed them on a platter. The other thing to consider is that it is externally considerate of you to do as much work yourself as possible first, before asking questions. This benefits you and others. Hopefully that clarifies.

Anart, is it possible that Panther Black addressed you in this way beacuse you said that her question made little sense to you?
I answered her because I did get the feeling of the idea behind what she was asking, and it made sense to me, in a very abstract way.
 
EmeraldHope said:
Anart, is it possible that Panther Black addressed you in this way beacuse you said that her question made little sense to you?

Perhaps. As I stated, it was only portions of her questions that were unclear to me, and that wasn't the main point I was trying to get across. The main point is what I reiterated above - a point that I'm obviously not getting across very well. It has been my experience that the more one reads/learns about this material, the more clearly one is able to ask questions; as vocabulary and understanding grows, so does the ability to grasp and clearly phrase more complicated concepts. Hopefully this clarifies a bit.
 
anart said:
EmeraldHope said:
Anart, is it possible that Panther Black addressed you in this way beacuse you said that her question made little sense to you?

Perhaps. As I stated, it was only portions of her questions that were unclear to me, and that wasn't the main point I was trying to get across. The main point is what I reiterated above - a point that I'm obviously not getting across very well. It has been my experience that the more one reads/learns about this material, the more clearly one is able to ask questions; as vocabulary and understanding grows, so does the ability to grasp and clearly phrase more complicated concepts. Hopefully this clarifies a bit.
Well yeah even if Panther Black is totally correct, if everyone here adopted that writing style I'd go nuts reading. And that's nothing against pb, I cringe at my own early (and some not so early) posts here. And I didn't even come here originally for anything esoteric, it was just a recommendation for Ark's physics that got me here (course this was before I knew Ark was in to photonic helicopters :) )
 
anart said:
EmeraldHope said:
Anart, is it possible that Panther Black addressed you in this way beacuse you said that her question made little sense to you?

Perhaps. As I stated, it was only portions of her questions that were unclear to me, and that wasn't the main point I was trying to get across. The main point is what I reiterated above - a point that I'm obviously not getting across very well. It has been my experience that the more one reads/learns about this material, the more clearly one is able to ask questions; as vocabulary and understanding grows, so does the ability to grasp and clearly phrase more complicated concepts. Hopefully this clarifies a bit.

I think that your point was made very well in regards to that, both times. It just seems that possibly, it could be seen as two different issues. One, that which you pointed out twice in regards to learning and external consideration, and two- you did not understand the questions. That was how my mind saw it anyway. Since I did agree with your first point, I answered her because I did understand the concept of her question.

edit- spelling
 
EmeraldHope said:
Since I did agree with your first point, I answered her because I did understand the concept of her question.

edit- spelling

It appeared to me that you weren't really concerned with anart's point because your post was basically a negation of it, no?
 
Shane said:
EmeraldHope said:
Since I did agree with your first point, I answered her because I did understand the concept of her question.

edit- spelling

It appeared to me that you weren't really concerned with anart's point because your post was basically a negation of it, no?

No. I agreed 100% with Anart's point. Like I said I saw it as two different issues. One, that Anart was pointing out to her that further reading would help her understand and that external consideration should be something to consider. Two- she asked a question/questions that Anart point blank said did not make sense to her. They made sense to me, and since she had already asked them, even though I did agree with Anart, I was trying to give all to someone who asked as I was pretty sure the post I referenced would help her.



edit: spelling
 
"I was pretty sure the post I referenced would help her."


It did! It was perfect, thank you. And now I'm reading that post because it's fascinating. Thanks for pointing me in that direction. Now I see how Laura was meant to help this world. I was reading some of the excerpts she left by a Lobaczewski, and I hadn't gotten to the part where I could know the title of the book. So I put the word pathocratic in google, and the weird thing is that the first thing I clicked on down the list was this author and his book.
Lobaczewski, Andrew. Political Ponerology: A Science on the Nature of Evil Adjusted for Political Purposes.

I'm buying it.
 
herondancer said:
EmeraldHope said:
Shane said:
EmeraldHope said:
Since I did agree with your first point, I answered her because I did understand the concept of her question.

edit- spelling

It appeared to me that you weren't really concerned with anart's point because your post was basically a negation of it, no?

No. I agreed 100% with Anart's point. Like I said I saw it as two different issues. One, that Anart was pointing out to her that further reading would help her understand and that external consideration should be something to consider. Two- she asked a question/questions that Anart point blank said did not make sense to her. They made sense to me, and since she had already asked them, even though I did agree with Anart, I was trying to give all to someone who asked as I was pretty sure the post I referenced would help her.



edit: spelling

Hi Emerald Hope,

It seems you are still missing part of the point of anart's post. She was encouraging PB to continue the recommended reading, in the course of which she would have come to the information you posted. You may have given her the information you feel she was asking for, but you also deprived her of the joy of discovering it him/herself in the course of her journey. :( Further, the discovery would have been made within the context of much more background information, which would seat the understanding in a more complete way. I understand the impulse to want to pass on information, especially when you feel you see someone struggling. But just like a child who is working to grasp basic principles of reading or arithmetic, sometimes it's better to let them come to understanding at their own pace.

I believe this is the point anart was trying to make to you.

@Panther Black, Ponerology is a heavy read, but it will make so many things about the madness of the world around us more clear. Enjoy!

Herondancer


Hi Herondancer,

To be clear, I did get Anart's point. What confused me was Anart mixing it in with not understanding Panther Black's questions. The way I read it, it seemed to me if that wasn't relevent to why Anart was not going to answer any of the questions, she would not have pointed that she did not understand in addition to guiding her to continue learning and reading.

I can see, from the feedback here, that according to the way things are done here, I read this incorrectly and that I did something wrong. That was not my intent, and I apologize..
 
EmeraldHope said:
Hi Herondancer,

To be clear, I did get Anart's point. What confused me was Anart mixing it in with not understanding Panther Black's questions. The way I read it, it seemed to me if that wasn't relevent to why Anart was not going to answer any of the questions, she would not have pointed that she did not understand in addition to guiding her to continue learning and reading.

I can see, from the feedback here, that according to the way things are done here, I read this incorrectly and that I did something wrong. That was not my intent, and I apologize..

Hi EH, that's okay. I don't think you did anything wrong. You were just trying to help after all! :) Remember, we're all in this together, and learning is fun!
 

Trending content

Back
Top Bottom