Quick Questions - Joints and Muscles

Hey Luke,

Is it at all possible for you to get a full blood panel work up done? Where I live you can forego the GP visit and just walk into a stand-alone facility that only does blood work.

Just from reading your symptoms it would be good to know where some of your markers lie. This could help rule out some things and/or shed light on others.

Also this may not be the case for you but after reading a little bit about peripheral neropathy and the consequences of chronic high blood glucose I would tend use that as a starting point for troubleshooting. But at the very least if you were able to get glucose readings along with a bit of information regarding any mineral deficiencies or inflammatory markers I think you will be in a good position to pinpoint anything that stands out as an issue.

Have you ever been able to walk past that 1 mile threshold, since the time when you first noticed these symptoms, without experiencing the tingling painful sensation (again after a period of inactivity)? Or is like clockwork pretty much? Just thinking out loud here.
 
Yeah, a full blood test could help get a better picture. I agree that you should concentrate on fixing your diet ASAP. As you get older, the bad diet can catch up with you causing all kinds of health issues, so you might as well get a jump on ensuring a healthier future.
 
luke wilson said:
Just to clarify, these conditions are not new and have been with me for at least 10 years now.

fwiw you where eating sugar for those previous 10 years, yes?

If you do a blood panel, three tests may give you a clue - as they can all lead to peripheral neuropathy.
Fasting blood sugar/insulin, a full iron panel (including feratin) and homocystien levels.
A possible other one to consider would be uric acid levels.

Elevated blood sugar could cause damage leading to poor peripheral circulation, and the burning is just the blood returning to those areas after exercise.
The others would potentially correspond to the burning sensation after exercise, damage because of increased circulation of these things.

Incidentally, eating sugar also tends to trigger the body into thinking it's time to reproduce. It triggers all sorts of hormones that lead to all sorts of narratives, mood problems and over sensitivities.

It may be worth considering what triggered the addiction, rather than Why the behavior Why the pain and need for 'comfort'.
 
Come to think of it, the problem with my legs started when I started to binge on sugar in my late teens at around 17. I have no recollection of this problem beforehand. Sugar is mostly a comfort food for me. What triggered the addiction as far as I can remember was easy access to vending machines and lack of good eating regime whilst I was in high school. I sort of slept walked into it.

I'll get my bloodwork done and see what that comes up with!
 
luke wilson said:
Sugar is mostly a comfort food for me.

Doesn't seem that way to me. Sugar seems to be causing you DIScomfort.
 
I figured there is no need to start another thread. This is not related to the joints and muscles topic. On that, the case is as it was, if I keep active, I get no problems. The joints themselves seem to be ok now and I rarely get any clicking, I think due to one of the supplements I'm taking. The muscles around my thighs and lower leg tend to give me hell though if I don't keep them active. On this particular topic, I discovered something recently thanks to the help of a trainer in the gym, which was that I have very tight hamstrings, which I've now been trying to stretch regularly.

Anyways, on the reason for making this new post, over the last couple of days I've been struck by a mish mosh of different symptoms, from where they came from, I've no idea

- Wednesday night, I had a very restless sleep, tossing and turning, I remember thinking that everything was just so cold.
- On waking up Thursday morning, I realised I wasn't in good shape. My energy levels had taken a turn for the worse, my throat seemed to be congested, my muscles weak, and I had cold like symptoms. At work I also realised that I had waves of very strange localised sensations around that were actually quite debilitating. This was when I was talking to our receptionist who had just had an operation and on thinking about what she must have gone through that sensation descended upon my chest.
- Thursday night, upon arriving home, I took some painkillers as I had a head ache coming on. I then pretty much went straight to bed. At this point my chest was full own congested i.e. coughing was quite painful + all the other symptoms. I also didn't have much of an appetite.
- I could have taken friday off work but it's so busy now that I just couldn't let my managers down, so I dragged myself out of bed in the morning. This time it was way more painful. Stepping outside into the cold, it felt like stepping out into a furnace of pain, I had no idea how painful the cold weather could actually be. It was quite painful. Each step was agony, it was a mish mosh of so many different things. At any point during that walk I could have turned back and gone straight back to bed. My manager gave me some painkillers which helped during the day though I did take things slowly.

I've spent most of my free time over the last few days in bed, resting (On Thur and Fri after work, was in bed by 8). I didn't know how much rest I needed. On saturday, I only got out of bed to have 'brunch' and 'dinner' - reduced meals.

Other annoying symptoms I've had

- Bouts of diarrhoea (sat night)
- Bout of peeing (sat)
- Very dry lips (fri/sat/sun)
- blocked nostrils (Thur/Fri/Sat/Sun)
- bouts of sweating like crazy when in bed (got up from a dream on sat with some weird hand movements, noticed that I was drenched, totally)
- The weird sensation has now moved to both triceps and all along the top back half but clearly both separated from each other by the spine though I feel the sensation on both sides in tandem. On touch, the flesh round there feels different. I don't know how to describe it.
- Over the first 2-3 days upon waking up, I would get a visual glitch that made it appear like the scene in front of me was fluid like, i.e. not stable. I usually would not make any sudden movements to wait for it to pass. Today it was fine though!
- To exacerbate matters, on Monday last week I did some core workouts and it appeared there was a delayed response to the pain in the core (abs) area, it hit full force Thursday meaning I've had to contend with a very tender core.
- Drifting in and out of sleep/dreams/hallucinatory in bed but not getting tired of lying down, my body seems to be quite keen to rest!

I think I'm getting better as today has been the best day since Thursday but still monitoring the situation to see if I need to give my GP a visit. I did manage to perform physically at the tournament, even though I did indeed notice that my lungs were congested, but I was drinking lots of water and it seemed ok.

Oh yeah, not related other than alignments in timings, but I also happen to have my first proper date lined up in life! then the universe has decided to send a freight train my way! I don't know, determined not to get rail roaded but will monitor the situation as it progresses!
 
I don't know how old you are or if you smoke, what meds you take, etc.
1. The first thing that came to my mind was something called intermittent claudication. This is a symptom of advanced lower extremity arterial disease. The symptoms with this can vary a little bit, but are predictably associated with walking or other leg exertions. Your symptoms are atypical, but I would want to get this problem ruled out asap.
2. Burning pain can be a sign of peripheral neuropathy. If the circulatory deficit is mild, the nerves can be affected primarily in some cases. Some people are very prone to this for a variety of reasons, some of which are genetic. If your blood sugar is high, your nerve membranes can swell and cause such symptoms.
3. Is it possible you have undiagnosed diabetes? This can impair immune function and contribute to vascular disease and neuropathic pain.
4. You might have some biomechanical issues at the spinal or fascia level that cause occasional symptoms following disuse.

I would get a random blood sugar level right away. I'd ask for a homocysteine level, too.
Are you in UK? See if you can find a US trained podiatrist there. It is a completely different career/education here in US. There are maybe 5 in UK. These people are trained in neural, mechanical, metabolic and skeletal issues affecting the lower extremity. I think that would be your best bet for a one stop opinion of what might be going on.
 
Yupo said:
I don't know how old you are or if you smoke, what meds you take, etc.
1. The first thing that came to my mind was something called intermittent claudication. This is a symptom of advanced lower extremity arterial disease. The symptoms with this can vary a little bit, but are predictably associated with walking or other leg exertions. Your symptoms are atypical, but I would want to get this problem ruled out asap.
2. Burning pain can be a sign of peripheral neuropathy. If the circulatory deficit is mild, the nerves can be affected primarily in some cases. Some people are very prone to this for a variety of reasons, some of which are genetic. If your blood sugar is high, your nerve membranes can swell and cause such symptoms.
3. Is it possible you have undiagnosed diabetes? This can impair immune function and contribute to vascular disease and neuropathic pain.
4. You might have some biomechanical issues at the spinal or fascia level that cause occasional symptoms following disuse.

I would get a random blood sugar level right away. I'd ask for a homocysteine level, too.
Are you in UK? See if you can find a US trained podiatrist there. It is a completely different career/education here in US. There are maybe 5 in UK. These people are trained in neural, mechanical, metabolic and skeletal issues affecting the lower extremity. I think that would be your best bet for a one stop opinion of what might be going on.

Thanks for the very detailed response!

Intermittent Claudication

It sounds somewhat similar except mine is caused by not exercising. It's probably blood circulation related though! One to talk to the GP about!

Peripheral neuropathy

I don't really know about that one, could be a link.

Undiagnosed Diabetes:

We have history of diabetes in my family, my dad currently has type 2 diabetes. He has home testing kits which he's given to monitor his levels. Every now and again, we also test ours. Last few times I tested, mine were within the normal range. It's been a while though, at least about a year so might need another test.

The thing though, my dad grew up on a traditional diet usually based on organic produce. This is because this was what was cheap and affordable and his childhood into young adulthood home was agriculturally rich. Even in later years as he got older, he still always remained true to his growing up diet. There are 2 things which he struggled with which have cost his health dearly, the first is alcohol and the second is a gluten allergy. He never had any sugar problems. However, as soon as he hit 50, for some reason, he decided to throw himself into the full embrace of the medical system and now he has a whole cocktail of drugs.... It's not even like he was not physically active, he was always in nature and stuff so I just don't understand the situation now. He's stopped the alcohol, for months now, to my surprise, but he has way to much trust in the medical system and their drugs!

My mum had a more western diet compared to my dad, but she is not diabetic nor on a cocktail of drugs. She has dental issues though, which I have, I'm not even sure my dad has ever got a dental cavity. My mum's a sceptic of the system, that's probably where I get it from!

I haven't been to the GP for a while, usually because I have no reason to go. My first response upon being hit by something is to hunker down and wait it out, if symptoms persist then I give the GP a visit. I know this is a bad strategy but I don't want to be seeing the doctor every other time I think something is up and getting prescribed a million different cocktails.

This is the usual procedure on going usually.... you go in, he/she asks you if you have any problems. I'm usually like, just a check up and to discuss long standing things I think are an issue . They then proceed to ask you lifestyle questions, including your age. All mine fit me into a category of normal. Minimal alcohol intake, non-smoker, exercises etc. They check your heart rate, take your blood pressure, they look into their computers (where my medical history for more than 10 years are stored), last time I even asked to be tested for nutritional deficiencies, at which point he asked me, there is many different tests, what do you think you are deficient in? In my mind, I was like WHAT! If I knew that, I wouldn't ask!!!!! Can you test me in everything? NO!

That's GPs for you. Next time though, I can mention my leg problems if I don't do anything active. He'll probably just tell me to keep active...

The general impression you get is, you are a young adult, don't live a stupid lifestyle, now go away, I've got old people and young kids to deal with.
 
FYI, in your case, vascular testing should be done under stress (while exercising and having those symptoms).
 
Hi Luke,

diabetes tend to repeat in families due mostly to lifestyle habits. Also the diabetes is characterized in Chinese Medicine as a "wasting and thirsting" disease. You get profoundly dehydrated(despite drinking much water) by peeing a lot and losing lots of minerals which explain the dental cavities. Muscular pain might be due to loss of magnesium, potassium, zinc, also lack of nutrients like DHA, and low production of steroid hormones.

I think you need to look into electrolytes (ions in serum) and whole body hydration status, as it seems that the the spleen, kidney and lungs can't perform the recycling of water in the body to produce body fluids. Also the intestines are responsible for separating the water from the digested mass to be recirculated.

A collapse of yang energies manifests as a profound perspiration during daytime, and the diminished yin energies as nighttime perspiration.

There seems to be a mismatch of coordination of energies. I would suggest to start studying the articles on dr Jack Kruse website. He gives very good advises to restore body electricity, although it is not easy lecture for the layman. I hope this will not turn you down, as some explanations are simple and helps you formulate better questions.

_https://www.jackkruse.com/

I'm sure you'll find adequate help and get well!
 
luke wilson said:
I don't know, determined not to get rail roaded but will monitor the situation as it progresses!

Are you taking iodine? Can't recall.
 
Gaby said:
luke wilson said:
I don't know, determined not to get rail roaded but will monitor the situation as it progresses!

Are you taking iodine? Can't recall.

I was but I stopped - I never had any reaction at the time but decided to hold back for a bit and not go gung-ho. I still kept taking the co-factors though. However, last week I did eat quite a lot of seafood though.
 
I was wondering because iodine works pretty well for muscle pain, once you get past detox reactions. It is the one treatment that fibromyalgia patients rated for making a lot of difference in their ailments. Not that you have fibromyalgia, but muscle pain can be a sign of muscles claudicating due to a nutrient deficiency.

Where your ailments pretty much the same while on iodine? Might be work to get some detox (i.e. chlorella, cilantro) in case the iodine mobilized heavy metals.
 
Just an update. My health improved and now I just have mild cold like symptoms. Also seems I can't remember my dreams anymore which is a throwback to pre teen years. You know the way some people say they hear voices or hallucinate and the way they are deemed mentally ill because they cant control this, well since I hit the teens, every night I was getting an onslaught of dreams, vivid, on whatever they were, and every morning I got up, I could remember them. Now since I got ill, I get up in the morning and it's like hmmm... dream amnesia. So something has changed..
 
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