Quote from T. S. Eliot, acquisition of knowledge

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I have been fortunate enough to find an old copy of a a used book, written by T.S. ELIOT (Thomas Stearns ELIOT), an old British author whose work I find very similar to Alfred North WHITEHEAD (and very interesting!).

On Substack, readers and literary people swear by J.R. Tolkien, G. K. Chesterton, and T. S. Eliot. And, last week, I found one one his books so that I can read his work and ideas! I am very happy about this!

Here is a quote that I found interesting:

T.S. Eliot - "Selected Essays"
We must ourselves decide what is useful to us and what is not; and it is quite likely that we are not competent to decide

It could be right from me to not comment, and leave it to the appreciation of the reader. Please comment (if you would like to)!
 
I have been fortunate enough to find an old copy of a a used book, written by T.S. ELIOT (Thomas Stearns ELIOT), an old British author whose work I find very similar to Alfred North WHITEHEAD (and very interesting!).

On Substack, readers and literary people swear by J.R. Tolkien, G. K. Chesterton, and T. S. Eliot. And, last week, I found one one his books so that I can read his work and ideas! I am very happy about this!

Here is a quote that I found interesting:

T.S. Eliot - "Selected Essays"


It could be right from me to not comment, and leave it to the appreciation of the reader. Please comment (if you would like to)!
To me this describes the 4Th Way work. Meaning how does one gain competentcy? Well through experience. How does one gain experience through living life consciously by being an observer/self remembering learning from how life interacts with you and how you interact with life.

Then you will learn more about yourself and this reality what is important to you and what is not after years and years of the 4Th way work in this reality you can then start to decide accurately what is useful to your aim/goal and what is not then you can make a free will conscious choice to go in this or that direction…. And this creates a conscious path/reality for you and dare I say the larger consciousness system we are in takes notice? Maybe clears the way, you learn from it while it learns from you?

The quote starts with “WE” meaning you and I and every individual must make decisions. This is only done by playing the game, interacting with and rendering this reality. We can only optimize decision making through gaining knowledge AND experience (4th way)
 
To me this describes the 4Th Way work. Meaning how does one gain competentcy? Well through experience. How does one gain experience through living life consciously by being an observer/self remembering learning from how life interacts with you and how you interact with life.

Then you will learn more about yourself and this reality what is important to you and what is not after years and years of the 4Th way work in this reality you can then start to decide accurately what is useful to your aim/goal and what is not then you can make a free will conscious choice to go in this or that direction…. And this creates a conscious path/reality for you and dare I say the larger consciousness system we are in takes notice? Maybe clears the way, you learn from it while it learns from you?

The quote starts with “WE” meaning you and I and every individual must make decisions. This is only done by playing the game, interacting with and rendering this reality. We can only optimize decision making through gaining knowledge AND experience (4th way)
Yes - I think this quote can be appreciated in many ways. That is why I did not want to comment, and to leave people make their own appreciation & take what's good in it, after free reception of the quote!

I personally have a great interest at the level of "to decide", and it reminded me of the signatures of Jgeropoulas & Jacques:

"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." – Aristotle
Every time you say "yes" to someone who doesn't deserve it, and go against Yourself and what you value the most, you kill a small part of your essence. LKJ

Adding it to

We must ourselves decide what is useful to us and what is not

The French edition of the book translates by

"In fact, it is up to ourselves than to decide [about the things]"

As in

"Nobody will do this for you" or "That's really something we must take charge of", or even "every bit of data goes through this process".

What interests me is that the process of acquisition of data bits, is very often carried on when a "convincing person" speaks / teaches / lectures:

A person says something, and if I am influencable, or if I find it right (on the moment) - the result is the same - acceptance. This lacks "time", ponderation...

I see this too many times: people building up their world view, according to such interactions. I would first try to get a bit off this road, because it does not really favour "thinking", ponderation. It's all in the immediate.

I appreciate than to tell people : "well, this is an interesting idea, let me think about it". And the goal would be than to really not let the idea "in", and to think of it (if we feel so). So telling the person "no thanks" must be followed-up, live, in ourselves - with no acceptance. After, with fresh air, we can get a different view, and most of the time the person was just showing off, or spreading useless advices.

That's a mecanism that I have not developped, in the past. Probably due to shyness, oppressive parents etc etc. For decades I felt compelled to get along with ideas given to me, for example when a "big mouth" would tell me about so-called "various truths". In fact, we don't even have to listen to a person freely giving us "advices", if we did not ask. And people, freely give you advices, teachings on existence in general, how to carry things on, etc.

We believe we are not capable of seeing things as they are. But we are, and this is something that we must build from scratch, at some point or another, I believe. And it must be done with fire.

So everybody telling you "do as I say" would be kind of wrong, if not in a specific STO context (for example). I think the quote says something like "must verify things, by ourselves". "Mandatory". Otherwise, too risky.

Well, that's what I got from the quote! I believe that many people can find an adaptation, depending on themselves.
 
A person says something, and if I am influencable, or if I find it right (on the moment) - the result is the same - acceptance. This lacks "time", ponderation...

I see this too many times: people building up their world view, according to such interactions. I would first try to get a bit off this road, because it does not really favour "thinking", ponderation. It's all in the immediate.
It’s in the immediate because that is the perceived easiest way for people meaning. If they don’t have to verify or experience then it’s easier to just accept. It lacks “work” which includes time but “work” is more than just time, effort, trial, error feeling uncomfortable and so on.

It’s not so much that this way favors thinking only it’s what it doesn’t favor - it doesn’t favor life, growth, contribution and so forth. Accepting all ideas that are spoken at a lecture because it sounds good or is easy - this focuses on one’s intellectual center too much, life experiences “work” brings balance in the emotional center and intellectual center and when they are aligned one can gain wisdom as you gain info from lecture/books then you VARIFY/INVESTIGATE the intellectual knowledge by gaining experiences “work” in life while simultaneously pondering the information gained intellectually and sifting through what is verified and what is not. What rings true in you

The above is in essence The 4th Way process.

You can quote and ponder a quote as much as possible however the man sitting carved in stone with his hand in a fist on his chin thinking will remain in that pose forever as Laura says… “ You can’t change the way you think with the way you think” you need to acquire wisdom which requires experience and a delay/time. That’s why this physical reality allows for wisdom gathering as in other realities it is said what you think you have… Here on earth you have to earn most thinks you want this requires experience/wisdom trial and error….
 
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Well, that's what I got from the quote! I believe that many people can find an adaptation, depending on themselves.
Everyone’s perspective is based on where they are on the learning curve.

It’s not about risky or not risky IMO it’s about doing things the proper way and the best way for you and if applicable the ones around/close to you
 
Eliot is considered a genius in his own way; I've never read him. The sentence you posted reminds me of what I know of him from Virginia Woolf's diary. She knew him well and loved him dearly, and she portrays him as a man so incapable of making decisions for himself, indecisive, shy, very insecure, with serious problems with his wife, who had mental health issues. He was kind but didn't know how to act, how to behave, or how to make decisions. He was, of course, highly sensitive.

Eliot worked in a bank, and to help him dedicate himself to his poetry, Virginia Woolf decided to provide financial assistance by creating a group of people who would raise the necessary funds for Eliot to quit his job. However, Eliot didn't know how to make the decision to leave his job, and it took Virginia so much time and energy to help him decide whether or not to quit. So, in my opinion, this sentence reflects Eliot's own experience. This doesn't change the fact that his poetry is considered brilliant and very important in the world of literature.
 
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