Rant about turkey

[T.C.]

Over the past few weeks, and as each day goes by, with more and more info coming out about how sick and twisted the Turkish government are, I get angrier and angrier over it. It's like I see a shrine in Erdogan's house, devoted to Hitler, that he worships at every night, imploring the dead psycho puppet to use his body as a vehicle for resurrection - a bit like that evil warlord in the Ghostbusters II movie.

It's like, the world is a body, and the US government are a herpes virus, and Turkey are the coldsore - the overt, visual eruption of this underlying pathogen. And like an advert for acyclovir, the world's attention is being drawn to the symptom, rather than researching the deeper knowledge of the problem to find a real cure.

Turkey facilitates ISIS's slavery network. Turkey facilitates ISIS's oil business. Turkey facilitates movement of immigrants into the EU. Turkey kills the Russians who risk everything for the security of their (and our) nation. Turkey massacres Kurds. And that little Hitler wannabe has the gall to give press conferences about how righteous he and his country are? Who does he think he is, Netanyahu or something?

What the hell is going through this idiot's mind? Does he not have the first clue how he appears to the rest of the world? Do you think he knows he's a US patsy? That he's like the character of Russel in the movie, Wayne's World - so succinctly summed up by Garth as "Benjamin's monkey-boy".

When you objectively study the Western empire's moves since the end of WWII, it makes you sick. But, there's something about the fact that it's been mostly covert that makes it slightly easier to accept and understand how we've gotten to where we are now. But Turkey - this popular tourist destination; this link between East and West; this once great Empire that now will just do anything to join the EU; it's like Erdogan's pulled the mask off turkey to reveal a snarling, disgusting, putrid monster - satan's little helper... and I feel like NOBODY cares.

Seriously, I'm trying my best to put into words just how much this whole Turkish situation is affecting me. I guess I'm just way behind in terms of the Geopolitical/strategic activities of the country and its government and it's a slap in the face for me. Why is this driving me so crazy?

I needed to say something. I've never felt what I'm feeling before - not about the US, not about Israel. This Turkey thing is building up inside my skull like a pressure and every day when I hear or see something new to it, the pressure builds a bit more - because there's nothing I can do about it.

I think it's the lack of reaction from the world. I can't blame the people on the planet for not going mad over the actions of the US because they're just sneaky cowards with the world's media under their thumb. But when Turkey and Erdogan stand up and say, "Hey everyone, look at me! Look how evil I am! Aren't I just the most wonderful thing you've ever seen in your life! Me big and strong!" I just think, how the hell isn't this the number one story in the world and how the hell, after all the revelations, is Turkey not the target of economic sanctions and NATO expulsion at the very least?

I mean, the dammed fakeness and hypocrisy of the Western empire, in the sense that everything they've used as excuses to destroy Iraq, Libya and Syria - Saddam, Gaddafi, and Assad - Erdogan actually IS guilty of heinous actions. Yeah, that's it - why aren't we "going in" to topple Erdogan? Why aren't we putting "US boots on the ground" (I hate that saying) in Turkey?

A lot of these questions, I know the answer to. It's just the people of the West. If they're happy to kill Libyans and Iraqis and Palestinians and Syrians and Pakistanis, why aren't they calling for Erdogan's head?

Seriously, I can't take another minute of the little pipsqueak.

 

[canavare]

You can guess right now how desperate the Turkish people feels, who don't support Erdogan and the ruling AKP. Unfortunately this is the last stage of a social engineering project in turkey which was running since the end of the WWII to reverse the Ataturk's revolutions. Ataturk was a man like Kennedy or Putin. He established modern Turkish republic through a war of Independence, but despite his military origins he was a man of peace who with venizelos started a free travel,living and trade agreement with Greece which was his worst enemy during the Independence war. After the expiration time of this agreement it was not extended by the following Turkish leaders, so nobody in turkey and Greece remembers this peace agreement anymore. He worked very hard to overcome ignorance and poverty in turkey, he tried to overcome manipulation through religion. He worked very hard for real social justice, modernism and education of the Turkish people. After the WWII through NATO gladio operations and false flag operations Turkish state and Turkish deeper state is autocratically oppressing every one who is not ''a good citizen'' according to its engineered society template. Non-muslim minorities, kurds, alevites, socialist university students, gays were oppressed, killed, tortured during this period. Since the death of Ataturk education and income justice is getting worse and most of the national wealth was being privatized. Turkish Parliament system is since 1980 coup practically a type of oligarchy , for example the ruling AKP has 49.5% of the votes but is able to do 100% of all the legal decisions. AKP rules turkey since 2002 as an islamo-fascist puppet of USRAEL and NATO, running a buble construction economy, increasing poverty, buying votes with charity, most of the media and government agencies captured by followers of AKP, destroying social justice, islamising the education, building a fascist police state with media and social media black out etc. During the elections which was held in June, AKP lost the majority in the Parliament , but by using the Russian intervention in Syria as an opportunity (probably) AKP agreed with US to extend its shelf life and after this the usage of incirlik and diyarbakır air base by US started. Some false flag and manipulation operations like bombing of PKK in Iraq, suruç bombing, ankara bombing AKP were able to increase their votes again and won the early elections a few months ago and after that they shot down the Russian bomber to protect their islamo-fascist terrorists who are destabilizing Syria. I can not express through words how depressed are the people with common sense in turkey. Now I see all over the world more people with common sense are aware what happens in turkey. I am asking for help to the forum to develop ideas to rescue turkey from this Muslim brotherhood occupation.

 

[T.C.]

Thank you for the History lesson, EMRE. I'm so sorry about what the Turkish people are living under.

I am asking for help to the forum to develop ideas to rescue turkey from this Muslim brotherhood occupation.

It seems the rule in this life is, no one can rescue anyone - people can only rescue themselves.

 

[Hesper]

Thank you for the History lesson, EMRE. I'm so sorry about what the Turkish people are living under.

I am asking for help to the forum to develop ideas to rescue turkey from this Muslim brotherhood occupation.

It seems the rule in this life is, no one can rescue anyone - people can only rescue themselves.

Very true. The entire world will be feeling the psychopath's push for total control, and the only thing we can do is help to spread the information that will help people make their own choices. Perhaps joining the translation team and getting that information out in Turkey would be a way that you can help. Every little thing that we do has an impact.

I can not express through words how depressed are the people with common sense in turkey.

It is enormously depressing - especially when we feel that there's nothing that we can do. But, as the C's told Laura in the latest session:

(L) It's Nazi Germany all over again, only it's freakin' global! [...]

Q: (L) So, what can we do, if anything?

A: Help others to be ready.

Q: (L) Well the only thing I know to help others be ready is by informing them, letting them know what's going on, and trying to help them get ahold of their health. If they don't have their health, they aren't able to cope with anything.

Don't give up EMRE. And thank you for sharing, T.C. These megalomaniacs are driving the world to complete destruction and all the while they're patting themselves on the back.

 

[Lilou]

I took a class on Middle East Political Systems summer before last and I was so impressed by Ataturk (and Nasser of Egypt). As I understand it, much of Turkey still celebrates this man and the policies he set in motion. Now Erdogan, I've been giving him the stink eye since that class! I had high hopes that he would make strong ties with Russia and promote peace in the region...but this man, he wants to control everything, down to what people can watch on their TV's, how to eat, sleep...a real megalomaniac.

I don't see the people of Turkey sitting still, while he removes secular rights they have enjoyed for decades. God help them rid this virus from their leadership.

 

[Hesper]

I just saw this article up on SOTT and thought that it was particularly relevant.

Why Turkish society has been keeping silent about state violence against Kurds

Turkish society has been keeping silent about what happens in Kurdish towns, where Erdogan's army and police are shelling residential areas, killing more civilians every week. Why do even Kurds in western Turkey appear so indifferent on the issue?

The first reason is related to suppression of any opposition in the country. [FEAR]

[...]

The last but not the least reason is the lack of trustworthy information. In Turkey, the majority still gets the news from TV, which is predominantly government-controlled. Social media may not serve as a viable alternative due to the abundance of biased and unverifiable information, Al Monitor notes.

 

[bjorb]

[quote author=EMRE]I am asking for help to the forum to develop ideas to rescue turkey from this Muslim brotherhood occupation.[/quote]

The Empire has many servants whose only loyalty lies with monetary gain and promise of power. Officials worldwide are parroting the US narrative. It’s the same in my country. I can’t stand it either.

As for Erdogan, he truly fits well within the Empire where he is able to invade and dominate others through covert and direct means.

I am also not expecting anything significant from the Turkish population let alone humanity. We are the minority but I do believe that the spreading of entropy will become of such extremes that many will start to understand that remaining neutral is not an option.

You either stand with the psychopaths or against it. So long if there is still a lighthouse of truth shining where people can turn to hope is still there.

We must connect, grow and be the resistance.

That’s how we fight back I think.

 

[Hesper]

You either stand with the psychopaths or against it. So long if there is still a lighthouse of truth shining where people can turn to hope is still there.

We must connect, grow and be the resistance.

That’s how we fight back I think.

This reminded me about petty tyrants. Erdogan, as dodgy and slimy as he is, using mass terror to fund his delusional dreams of empire, certainly fits the bill - but so does Killary, Cameron, Poroshenko, Obama, and the list goes on and on. There's no shortage of these cretins, and since things will only be getting worse maybe it's a good idea to keep this in mind.

From the Esoteric Glossary:

This term comes from the books of Carlos Castaneda. The Seers believed that a Tyrant was in charge of the world. On Earth, then, impossible people in authoritarian positions, which one has to deal with in life, were assigned the classification of "Petty Tyrants". There were several subcategories of Petty Tyrants, as outlined by the Seer Don Juan in "The Fire from Within":

I. TYRANT: primal source of energy, ruler of the universe.

A. Petty Tyrants -tyrannical rulers or authoritarian persons who actually hold power over life or death of others.

B. Minor Petty Tyrants - Tormentors who are fearsome and inflict misery, but do not hold any real power over life or death of others. (two subcategories)

1. Little Petty Tyrants - (Four types)
a. Torments with violence and cruelty
b. Torments by inducing fear through deviousness
c. Torments by subjugate another through sadness
d. Torments by making another act in anger rage.
2. Teensy-weensy Petty tyrants/Small-Fry Petty Tyrants: tormentors who are just frustrating, exasperating and annoy to distraction.

Many people fall victim to the Petty Tyrants of the world and being defeated by one means a loss of one's vital energies. The Seer Don Juan explained to Castaneda that it was the task of Warriors to learn to face these Petty Tyrants with temperance and to prevail against their torments. Dealing with Petty Tyrants called for four qualities of warriorship: control, discipline, forbearance and timing. Whereas to be defeated meant to act in anger, and potentially join the ranks of the Petty Tyrants.

And more on these four qualities, again from the Esoteric Glossary:

The virtues of the warrior are control, discipline, forebearance, timing and will. These relate to proper use of attention and energy. The discipline is not mechanically following any fixed routine, it is the presence of mind needed to face impossible odds, that which is out of the ordinary. Forebearance is the capacity to wait, not to be overrun by emotion or be worn out by stress or fatigue. Timing is the recognition of the opportunity, the 'cubic centimeter of chance,' as Castaneda puts it. Control is the capacity not to react mechanically, to observe the self under the most demanding circumstances, without fear or resentment and with presence of mind.

 

[bozadi]

As a Turkish citizen, I also feel the agony of having to watch the ruling party and/or its ruler do almost every single cheap dirty evil trick they are capable of doing in and around Turkey.

With a few friend on the net, we discussed and noticed the amplitude of evidences or clues which show that Erdogan is an organic portal. When you combine that with peoples’ deep rooted fears and/or corruption historically fed by the Ottoman State especially in its collapsing times and then by the Kemalist ruling elite of the Republic, and finally/currently by the AKP itself, then it becomes easier to understand the picture. To my knowledge, the Ottoman was also somewhat progressive in its beginnings and eventually it was corrupted hugely. I think that the same applies to Ataturk. He was great and finally he was corrupted greatly. The AKP also displayed some seriously progressive attitudes and behaviors in the beginning, and currently we watch an extreme corruption unleashed. I am not especially desirous of debating if and in what ways Kemal Ataturk was corrupted, I just want to emphasize that the fear imposed by so-called Kemalist ruling elite on the general public and the subconscious reaction and hatred accumulated has been one of the greatest catalysts for the AKP to exploit in its great rise.

And guess what. I am kind of happy with the unfolding show of Erdogan’s AKP. I think that this nation is almost accustomed to extremes. Extreme rises and extreme falls... I don’t know if this is ideal but I think this is what happens in a strange cycle. On whatever platform I find a suitable opportunity, I criticize Erdogan and AKP almost wildly and display my rage against them.

But at the same time, I notice some indirect and strong goods that these satan-worshipping group of idiots are causing. Strengthening the hand of Putin has been one of the most important one of them. I sometimes suspect that even the PTB or their handlers are nervous about the benefit of Erdogan to them. He is most probably soulless and extremely ignorant in many senses but he is developing an ego at an exponential rate with the opportunities he finds in the specific context of this country. About half of the nation almost worships him and have him on the power and a greater part of the remaining half hate him in the extreme. Erdogan’s behaviors are the result. His many supporters feel an ecstasy by his charismatic rule like an Ottoman sultan, this being especially driven by their grudge against the direct and indirect Kemalist elitist rule of the state until AKP, and although they sometimes notice they have been going too far, they just can’t resist the joy/dream of a successful revenge against the termination of the Ottoman state at the hands of Ataturk. Soulled ones of them kind of enjoy the extreme malignancy and stupidity of Erdogan because they do not want to “think too much”. Just have more and more power and destruct or neutralize all opponents. Viruses! But as the courage of ignorance takes them really really too far, they cause relatively many people to wake up. And downing of the Russian plane was one good example. This has almost finished AKP’s wild dreams about Syria thanks to Russian counter-action. Upon that, sending troops to Iraq has resulted in another fiasco. Even some so-called democratic journal writers and editorial writers among the supporters of the AKP have now the courage of defending the idea of “re-annexation” of some Middle East countries / territories. Oh my god! Their unfathomable hatred of Iran, or Shiism and Alevism as the results of the great original schism of Islam, which they inherit from some of their Ottoman ancestors, drive them mad at the success of Assad, especially with Russia’s destiny-changing inclusion in the show, although this is not just a problem of Islamic schism. Damascus had become home to one of the most important figures of Islam; Muawiyah. A Sunni extremist, a figurehead of Service to Self in the story of Islam. He died in Damascus, which he had governed. Wahhabism and Salafism, which enables Islam to be easily associated with terror, is mostly the belief of open or covert supporters or submitters of him since the beginning of Islam. They become mad at the fact that someone like Alawi Assad becomes the ruler of a country the majority of the peoples of which are Sunni and which had once been governed by such a special figure like Muawiyah, whom lots of people in Turkey believe is the model taken by Erdogan.

Interestingly, though, Erdogan has seemingly defeated another, and probably more dangerous, actor of evil to rise. Fethullah Gulen, whom Erdogan was previously an assistant of. I personally have no doubt that Gulen is a soulled being in the path of STS. He is much more intelligent and knowledgeable than Erdogan. He was and is a global Islamic mafia leader. It is almost a miracle that Erdogan has beaten someone like him. I would insist that this is not something short of a miracle.

Erdogan’s being an extremely ambitious organic portal ruling a nation like this has interesting results and some of them can be positive although this is not what he has desired. He does not and cannot care about it! He just follows his stupid ambitions and the rest falls into place. Yes, he steadily tyrannizes the nation but he does this in very stupid ways again and cannot help but provide them an opportunity to wake up and defend their life and future! I think he throws too many woods to the fire under the boiler and unintentionally creates a chance for the frog to escape. If it was not for Erdogan, it would be someone else like Gulen, for example, and the frog would not find the same chance, I think. I am aware how roughly I'm approaching the matter but this is the best way to explain my opinions now.

 

[sitting]

I took a class on Middle East Political Systems summer before last and I was so impressed by Ataturk ...

He (Mustafa Kemal) might have been "impressive," but just be aware he was donmeh -- who further more claimed he was a direct descendant of Sabbatai Zevi.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabbatai_Zevi

Baruchia Russo picked up after Zevi's death. And after him came the infamous Jacob Frank -- and his Frankist jews. (Speculation is that the Rothschilds were secretly Frankist jews.)

People coming from that ilk (Ataturk included) should be assessed very very carefully. They are not generally the forces of good ... putting it mildly.

Turkey is basically under the control of the donmeh. And Erdegon may be one of them, or at least their agent. It's highly unlikely that Erdegon himself is calling any shots. Much less starting WWIII all on his own.

He's a front man, like the rest of the so-called "world leaders." Putin being the exception.

I could be wrong.

FWIW.

 

[Lilou]

[quote author= sitting]
Turkey is basically under the control of the donmeh. [/quote]

This would not surprise me at all! The Zionists are like a virus, that worm their way into the upper echelons of power thru bribery and deceit.

I was not aware of donmeh, thanks for sharing this information. This site claims to trace Ataturks ancestry, showing he was indeed Jewish. They also say their website is blocked in Turkey. The book used in my poli sci class put Ataturk in a favorable light....probably written by Jews!!

 

[bozadi]

Ataturk might or might not be a donmeh, and he might also have been a freemason in a certain period of his time, probably when he was in the Balkans in an earlier period of his life. But I am personally sure that he was an actor of a positive mission which progressed well for sometime but gradually deteriorated. He was the legendary commander of the Turkish/Anatolian Independence War against invading European powers. He is also famous for having prohibited the activities of Mason lodges in 1935, accusing them of being an "ill-intended circle with roots outside the nation".

The post-war revolutions of the dictator did not go very well. Maybe he was extremely progressive and then he was extremely disappointed at the scene of a people who as a whole were not progressing as he dreamed of after his extraordinary leadership of the independence war. And then he became to be corrupted out of frustration and anger and his dictatorship became cruelty. I personally believe that he experienced what Cs say Moses experienced. He was not intrinsically an evil-intended person, quite the opposite but I think that he could not succesffuly manage the extreme STS psychic pressures built on him through many individuals and groups around him after the victorious war. And since his death, dark circles ensured that Kemalism/Ataturkism ideology involves fanatism, fascism, extreme dictatorship etc. against general population. The current Ataturkist group or groups in Turkey are not homogenous. They generally have some progressive attitude but there are also many bigots among them who defend every single act of Ataturk, even if some of those actions involve overt fascism.

atajew site is an extreme hate site which I am sure to be run by a very well-known extremely fanatic Islamic circle in Turkey who are among the most ardent supporters of the AKP. They are also famous for their constant and obvious hatred and accusations of Ataturk. No other group or circle attacks Ataturk at this extent. They are ostensibly against zionism/Israel but they are actually the Islamic puppets of zionism by their extreme hatred of Turkey's Alevi people, leftists, Ataturkists and many other arguably progressive groups and, of course, Iran and all Shia people. They are utmost biggots. They openly and ardently support the so-called "mild opponents" in Syria and they also covertly support the ISIS.

I think that the image and inspiration of Ataturk can easily be used for both good and evil.

 

[bjorb]

The Western MSM is giving Turkey the same coverage as Israel now. Complete and utter silence on its genocide. Turkey has now gone full blown terror state with its ethic cleansing campaign inside its own borders.

This fate might very well awaits all states within the Empire. The true axis of evil. Erdogan might just be ahead of the curve.

Its disturbing to see how good willing journalists operating in Turkey are getting murdered. Even those who simply insult Sultan Erdogan meet his wrath. Doesn't he understand that its better to mock the opposition effectively instead of plain out murdering them? Does he wants to instigate a revolution? Is this a psychopath resorting to his last stand stand of trying to remain in power or is it just a psychopath who completely lost control?

 

[bozadi]

Complete and utter silence on its genocide. Turkey has now gone full blown terror state with its ethic cleansing campaign inside its own borders.

Yes, especially Kurdish population in some specific points of the Southeastern part of Turkey are being subjected to a heavy state terrorism under the pretext of the fight against the PKK.

The PKK itself is a terrorist organization to a great extent and innumerable evidences have been surfacing about the dirty relationships between the secret Turkish state/army and the PKK. This has been the fact both under the AKP government and under previous governments of very different ideologies. Of course, these dark relations occur between some certain deep or top compartments of these organizations but they have been evidenced so many times. The PKK also began as a legitimate movement and it was corrupted seriously. The Kurdish people of the east and southeastern part of Turkey have suffered so much by the secret and non-secret Turkish state/army that the PKK, however dirty it has grown, is always sympathetic to many Kurdish people of Turkey. And I believe that this also complicates the matter for them. The PKK does not act with the welfare or peace of Kurdish people in their mind. It is just engaged in millitant action and those actions almost always target young citizens of Turkey (Turks, Kurds and all others) who compulsarily serve as soliders from six to twelve months. Kurdish people in generaly are sequeezed between the terror and pressure of the Turkish state and of the PKK.

I think that Erdogan's psychopatic rule seriously lacks professionalism one and it provides many different groups of the society with many opportunities to wake up. Erdogan cannot help but reveal the "hurting truth" of our lives, especially in Turkey but also around the world in general.

 

[bozadi]

I believe that many officials, especially Demirtas, of the current main pro-Kurdish political party, the HDP, truly seek a peaceful solution for the Kurdish problem but then they are targeted both the Turkish State and also by the PKK. The co-president Demirtas, for example, has been severely and unfairly criticized by the top PKK officials so many times just because he found the courage to condemn some actions of the millitant organization. The PKK is very influential on Kurdish people especially in the eastern and southeastern parts of Turkey and it does not actually seek a solution, especially a peaceful one. The war industry is so profitable for them, too. So although the political front, not all of it but a significant part, tries to find a true solution, Kurdish people in general and the political party are under an undeniable influence of the PKK. So unless the Kurdish people in general cannot find the will and courage of questioning and addressing the dark side of the PKK, they can never truly find a solution against the State terror.