Read, seen & heard in South Africa

[thorbiorn]

This post is about what I have read, seen and heard in South Africa. I sometimes go there to visit and have been coming for now three years.

Introduction

This is a google map that shows the area of South Africa without country borders. The letters M and V have a meaning:

DEEP IMPACT
South African Meteorite Makes Deep Impact On Space Rock Theory
Satellite photo of Morokweng (M) and Vredefort (V) meteorite craters in Northwest South Africa. Image courtesy of Morokweng Consortium.

by Staff Writers
Paris, May 10 (AFP) May 11, 2006
A remarkable meteorite the size of a beachball, found in heat-forged crystals in one of the world's largest impact craters, may push back the boundaries of knowledge about space rocks, a study due to be published on Thursday says.

The 25-centimetre (10-inch) fragment has been found in the Morokweng impact crater in northwest South Africa, where a massive object slammed into Earth around 145 million years ago.

The find is unique, for large asteroids or comets are believed to vaporise or melt completely within a few seconds after they hit the Earth, so enormous is the energy of their impact.

Another map is

There have been people in South Africa for a long time

Researchers Find Earliest Evidence For Modern Human Behavior In South Africa
Tempe AZ (SPX) Oct 23, 2007
Evidence of early humans living on the coast in South Africa, harvesting food from the sea, employing complex bladelet tools and using red pigments in symbolic behavior 164,000 years ago, far earlier than previously documented, is being reported in the Oct. 18 issue of the journal Nature. The international team of researchers reporting the findings include Curtis Marean, a paleoanthropologist wi ... more

General information about South Africa
South Africa’s official gateway
Wikitravel on South Africa
South Africa

News sites
To get an idea of what goes on, there are many pages that have links to news agencies.
Below are a few, there is a good deal of overlapping but some times one page may have something another does not:
_http://www.lib.uct.ac.za/index.php?html=/2004/info/newspapers.htm&libid=88]ONLINE NEWSPAPERS AND NEWS SITES
_http://www.world-newspapers.com/africa.html]World-Newspapers > Africa
_http://www.onlinenewspapers.com/sa.htm]South Africa Newspapers
_http://www.world-newspapers.com/southafrica.html]World-Newspapers > South Africa
_http://library.stanford.edu/africa/southafrica/rsanews.html]Stanford Library Collection for South African newsagencies
_http://www.africancrisis.co.za/Home.php?Cat=0&]African Crisis
http://www.terradaily.com/Africa_News.html

Politics
_http://www.southafrica.info/ess_info/sa_glance/constitution/polparties.htm]South Africa's political parties has all the ones that are represented in the assembly but there are _http://www.politicalresources.net/south_afr.htm more_
The biggest party is _http://www.anc.org.za/]African National Congress it heads the current Government and has 293 seats compared to only 47 for the next larges partty, _http://www.da.org.za/da/Site/Eng/default.asp Democratic Alliance.

Crime
Crime is frequent in South Africa, it is actually quite a problem.
_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_South_Africa]Wikipedia on Crime in South África
_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_Expo_South_Africa Crime Expo South Africa
_http://www.iss.org.za/dynamic/administration/file_manager/file_links/CQ21BURGER.PDF?link_id=3&slink_id=5058&link_type=12&slink_type=13&tmpl_id=3 The 2006/07 Crime Statistics _http://www.africancrisis.co.za/Article.php?ID=11191&]An article with graphs and discussion of the trend including some doubts about official statistics
A site that carries information about all the successful things going on to fight crime is: _http://www.sagoodnews.co.za/stories/

Of course one can complain about crime. But in a greater perspective there are many types of crime, some are defined in the penal code. Others are more hidden like when pharmaceutical companies support the suppression of cures, when the arms industry supports the creation and perpetuation of conflict, or when politicians take decisions supportive of violence and suppression. Therefore even though South Africa has a world class murder and crime rate, I do not think South Africa as a whole creates more destruction than some other countries.

The following link is a review of a movie about crime, at the same time it tells a little about the environment. I saw the film and it is well done.
_http://www.wsws.org/articles/2006/jun2006/tsot-j13.shtml Tsotsi: Can a baby redeem a hardened thug?

Yesterday I was told that the big crime month is December because the thieves need some extra for the holiday – and then I found this:

The first time I drove a car in South Africa I noticed some really strange traffic signs warning drivers against stopping because wheels get stolen, or there is a high risk of high jacking. However if one is a passenger it can also go wrong apart from traffic accidents. I once in a bus sat next to a young black girl who told me her grandparents had been shot in a taxi. They had been in a taxi, when the driver had an exchange with another taxi. The drivers apparently had a war going on. Although they did not kill each other, her grandparents did not survive. That is why her mother had put her on a big bus and not a taxi.

News bits

_http://www.sowetan.co.za/News/Article.aspx?id=590556 Sowetan Media is first casualty

Eric Naki
19 October 2007
Joe Latakgomo

But constitution protects journalists that report fearlessly

“Other freedoms are eroded if there is no press freedom.” This is how Anton Harber, Caxton professor of journalism at Wits University, summed up the effect of the possible arrests of Sunday Times editor Mondli Makhanya and his deputy managing editor, Jocelyn Maker.


This pending and unprecedented action against the two has shaken the country and challenged our young democracy. Doubtlessly, should the arrests be effected at all, our democratic gains will be reversed by several steps. This is so because press freedom epitomises all other freedoms.

While the NPA dilly dallies about charging Makhanya and Maker and the arrests are not carried out, a dark cloud hangs over the country. The two face arrest for being in possession of Health Minister Manto Tshabalala-Msimang’s health records.

The Sunday Times recently published stories about the minister’s alleged alcohol binge and unbecoming behaviour at Cape Town’s Medi-Clinic two years ago.

Prior to the Johannesburg high court decision, questions were raised about whether public interest was any justification for the newspaper to publish the minister’s health records.

But the court silenced the argument when it ruled that the records were in the public interest because a state official was involved.

The action against Makhanya and Maker, especially the alleged bugging of their phones, raised alarm among media freedom groups who said that it smacked of apartheid-era tactics.

Gavin Stewart, media freedom guru and former Daily Dispatch editor, this issue has been long in coming and has happened before in the free world.

Stewart says all revolutions slip back into what they fought against and press freedom is always the first casualty. He cites the Russian Revolution. After campaigning against oppressive laws and press restrictions, Vladimir Lenin used the same oppressive anti-press freedom measures.

Stewart says: “Every revolution starts with a great period of openness. But things change and the revolutionaries go back to the ways of their predecessors and apply tight press laws as did Lenin and his cronies.”

During the era of the French monarchy, the higher the position, the more protection people enjoyed against public and media scrutiny. The revolution reversed this, but the new order reverted to the old order later.

Stewart says South Africa under President Thabo Mbeki could be slowly sliding into a similar quagmire because of the insecurity of the ruling elite.

“Mbeki is feeling less and less secure as he is trying desperately to make things work. There’s also the talk about the possible change of guard,” says Stewart.

The irony, says Stewart, is that black editors are leading the new challenge against the ANC government.

“In the past, only a handful of white liberal editors such as Donald Woods, Raymond Louw, Laurence Gandar, Tony Heard, Allister Sparks, Harvey Tyson and Rex Gibson dared to stand up to the Nats.”

Joe Latakgomo, former editor of Sowetan, successor to the World and Weekend World that the Nats banned, concurs with the view of revolutionaries reverting to repression.

Latakgomo says Zimbabwe’s Robert Mugabe, a Marxist revolutionary and an erstwhile guerilla hero, relied on his predecessor Ian Smith’s laws to deal harshly with his opponents and the independent press.

“We have a very interesting comparison in our new democracy. It is quite interesting to see how things we fought against during apartheid have come back now,” says Latakgomo.

He says the only difference between the present and the past is that press restrictions are not legislated. […]

http://www.sowetan.co.za/News/Article.aspx?id=590568 Sowetan:SA media – lapdog or watchdog

Ido Lekota
19 October 2007

As South Africa this week commemorates the 30th anniversary of the banning of the World and Weekend World by the apartheid regime, several questions have been raised about the government’s commitment to press freedom.

Addressing an International Press Institute congress in 1994, a few months before the ANC was voted into power, Nelson Mandela said: “A critical, independent and investigative press is the lifeblood of any democracy.

“It is only such a free press that can temper the appetite of any government to amass power at the expense of the citizen.

“It is only such a free press that can be the vigilant watchdog of the public interest against the temptation on the part of those who wield it to abuse that power. It is only such a free press that can have the capacity to relentlessly expose excesses and corruption on the part of government, state officials. ”

Mandela went on to say: “I have often said that the media are a mirror through which we can see ourselves as others perceive us; warts, blemishes and all.

“The ANC has nothing to fear from criticism. I can promise you, we will not wilt under close scrutiny. It is our view that such criticism can only help us to grow, by calling attention to those of our actions and omissions which do not measure up to our people’s expectations and the democratic values to which we subscribe.”

Once the ANC was in power, a constitution that entrenched press freedom, was adopted, moving South Africa from an era where the National Party used the media as propaganda for its racist policies to an era when the media was “ideally” allowed to act in the public interest and hold the government accountable.

Unfortunately tensions did arise between the ANC government and the media. For example, in 1996 Mandela launched a scathing attack on black journalists, accusing them of being part of a white plot to undermine the ANC. The gist of his argument was that black journalists working for white-owned media were scared of losing their jobs and were prepared to write whatever their anti-ANC masters told them.

Not surprisingly, black journalists were miffed by Mandela’s lack of confidence in their professional integrity. They were also unhappy that he seemed to believe no black person of integrity could have a point of view at odds with the ANC.

These tensions have continued during President Thabo Mbeki’s tenure. Largely the ANC’s criticism is that the media is not effectively informing and empowering most ordinary people to play a role in building a democratic society. Instead, the media seems hellbent on discrediting the government.

From _http://www.straighttalk.co.za/shop.asp?ID=1&#1 Die, the Beloved Country

"There is going to be interference from the Government in every sphere of life and activity in South Africa..." - Steve Tshwete, Minister of Sport

"It is imperative to get rid of merit as the overriding principle in the appointment of public servants." - Mario Rantho - ANC MP

President Mandela said the ANC wants a two-thirds majority "to ensure that we are not interfered with by Mickey Mouse (opposition) parties".

The following is not fresh but it does say something.

_http://www.wsws.org/articles/2007/jun2007/safr-j15.shtml General strike hits South Africa
By Barbara Slaughter
15 June 2007
[…]
Many strikers spoke bitterly about the contrast between their demand for a 12 percent increase and the 57 percent that has been recommended for President Thabo Mbeki and his cabinet. One striker told Reuters, “They live in luxury, we still stay in poverty.”

Hospital workers pointed out that even though they work in the health sector, they cannot afford to pay for medical aid.

The militancy and determination of the workers involved in the strike and the widespread support in the population are an expression of massive disaffection with the ANC government. South Africa, according to the United Nations Development Programme, is among the most unequal countries in the world—third from the bottom behind only Brazil and Guatemala. The country is becoming increasingly polarised, headed as it is by a small clique of black businessmen and -women, mostly made up of leading members of the ANC, enriching themselves through the government’s policy of Black Economic Empowerment.

A report published by the South African Institute of Race Relations demonstrated that the living conditions for millions of South Africans have worsened since the ending of apartheid 13 years ago. Official unemployment currently stands at 26 percent, but the real figure is 41 percent—double what it was 10 years ago. Millions of workers earn less than US$150 a month, and 4 million people are living in conditions of extreme poverty, defined as less than US$1 a day.

_http://news.ncmonline.com/news/view_article.html?article_id=7c51746d342762e473444079fbcd2177 South Africa: Worse Now Than Under Apartheid?

Black Press International, Commentary, William Reed, Posted: Oct 05, 2007

Editor's note: The African National Congress's and Nelson Mandela's message of reconciliation in post-apartheid South Africa has been the dominant media theme of that country in American media. The other indigenous voices, more strident, less accomodating to apartheid's practitioners, never really got any oxygen in the western press. Now, however belatedly, some of those voices are taking their show on the road.

As South Africa emerges as a leading political and economic force, opportunities for business, trade and cultural exchanges are increasing significantly. African-American business people, academics and tourists have flooded South Africa since blacks “took over” the country. But a leading South African activist is in America saying that conditions for most of the South African population are worse today than under apartheid.

_http://www.sowetan.co.za/News/Article.aspx?id=590662 Sowetan: ’ANC purging IFP members’
Canaan Mdletshe
19 October 2007

The ANC and IFP in KwaZulu-Natal are at each other’s throats over “the ongoing purge of senior civil servants associated with it (IFP) since Premier Sbu Ndebele took over”.

Lionel Mtshali, IFP leader in the provincial legislature, accused Ndebele of going out of his way to weed out civil servants associated with the party .

Ndebele has refuted this, saying almost 90 percent of civil servants are from the “previous bantustan government”.

“Civil servants who are guilty of an association with the IFP have been relentlessly targeted by the ANC-led government since 2004.

“The purge of government employees is now a fact of life in KwaZulu-Natal,” Mtshali said.

He said the premier was not only guilty of initiating and pursuing the purge, but was also culpable of denial.

Mtshali said senior government employees had left because of the pressure exerted on them by the ANC.

Ndebele, however, came out with guns blazing. He retorted: “A demonstrable untruth is peddled that there has been a relentless purge of civil servants on account of their political affiliation. The public service is not a hidden science, 90percent of government employees have been inherited from the former KwaZulu government. “Out of 14 heads of department, only three are new.”

The complaint comes barely days after IFP leader Mangosuthu Buthelezi raised the issue during the IFP’s national conference.

_http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=6&art_id=vn20071022034616827C188199 Cape Times: Raging passions will divide ANC, warns Zuma

October 22 2007 at 06:33AM

By Moshoeshoe Monare

It took African National Congress deputy president Jacob Zuma to calm a rowdy crowd bent on preventing Limpopo premier Sello Moloto - regarded as a Mbeki sympathiser - from speaking at the funeral of former ambassador Norman Mashabane at the stadium in Phalaborwa at the weekend.

One group of hecklers targeted Moloto, who is the provincial ANC chairperson, and another group tried to prevent ANC Youth League president and Zuma supporter Fikile Mbalula from speaking.

ANC leaders, including presidential hopeful Tokyo Sexwale and four premiers, attended the funeral of the former Limpopo MPL.

Zuma warned the mourners that raging passions in the ANC would affect the country.

"If things go wrong in the ANC, things go wrong in the country. That is why the unity of the ANC and the unity of the alliance is critical in the life of politics in this country. Because if we are disunited... this country will be disunited," Zuma said.

His comments came against a backdrop of ugly tensions at the funeral between the rival succession camps, raising concerns about what would happen come the ANC national conference in the same province this December.

One person was assaulted and several were thrown out of the stadium.

This article was originally published on page 4 of Cape Times on October 22, 2007

To be or not to be?
Over the years I have heard and met a variety of people, one time when telling about the secret history of the world, the listener told me about something weird he had heard. I tried then to find out more and saw a video, the link to which is further down.
The first is from 2004:
_http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=37010 FROM JOSEPH FARAH'S G2 BULLETIN White slaughter in South Africa? Plans made to conduct campaign of genocide after Mandela's death
Critisized in 2005
_http://conwebwatch.tripod.com/outthere/otfarahsafrica.html An Exhibition of Conservative Paranoia
Talked about in 2006 and 2007
_http://www.mg.co.za/articlePage.aspx?articleid=300707&area=/insight/insight__national/ Not yet uhuru
_http://www.int.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=13&art_id=qw1055850121539B213 Rightwing religions: where do they come from? from June 17 2003
_http://www.mg.co.za/articlePage.aspx?articleid=300708&area=/insight/insight__national/ The Boere Nostradamus and Madiba’s blood
_http://www.news24.com/News24/South_Africa/News/0,9294,2-7-1442_2077494,00.html Boeremag link to 'Suidlanders'?
_http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Suidlanders&search=tag On-line Video with Gustav Müller from Suidlanders about the Uhuru plan
_http://www.africancrisis.org/ZZZ/ZZZ_News_011286.asp Siener, Suidlanders, Provocateurs & winning Defensive Battles

To the rumours of the possibility of some thing in the line of 'Uhuru' there is a comment:

_http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread190370/pg2 Meisiekind2

posted on 11-8-2006 @ 06:42 AM Uhuru

There are many links regarding the plan to kill the whites when Mandela dies... but most people arent interested anyway.

Consider this.. even if UHURU is just a rumour... there is one big problem. SOME PEOPLE BELIEVE RUMOURS.

So if you have 60 million blacks in the country, so poor that they have nothing to lose, that heard propaganda like "we hate them, we take their land, we take their jobs, we live in their houses and we give them aids", then you will have millions of people with unfounded hatred, prepared to do anything to take revenge.

But lets be optimistic.. and we say that 50% are women and children, that gives us 30 million blacks... but 10 million of them are illegal immigrants... so we have 20 million blacks... but only 10% heard this rumour... we have 2 million blacks... but only 10% of THOSE, are prepared to act on this rumour...

Now we have 200 000 armed attackers country wide.. Even if only 10% of the remaining lot actually went over to action, there is no way in HELL, that anyone can stop a violent action by 20 000 people.

Sounds ridiculous? I have video footage where blacks were toi-toing at the SATAWU security strike... their posters read "War is nearby, we are ready. Just tell us when to bring along our guns". Another poster read "Julle moer Boer". I also have video footage where, at a previous gathering, they were dancing, chanting, chopping with their hands (resembling the action of a panga / machete), and tapping on their watches to show that the white man's time is running out.

So whether you believe this or not, is not important. It's not going to change the situation, it may only change the fate of the person who plans and prepares. You will lose nothing by preparing for something that "may or may not" happen,.... but you dont want to find yourself unprepaired, wishing that you had listened to the warnings if the above scenario does play out.

What you believe, and what you decide to do is up to each person. Respect the fact that some people prepare for this, and it is their right. It does not make us evil, racist or anything else that might get thrown around. It makes us cautious and prepared.

No matter how one looks at it South Africa is not the model of a homogeneous society with no risk of conflict. And whereas some blame the government for going towards the totalitarian, isn’t that a global trend? And the increasing gap between the rich and the poor? It is not only in South Africa.

What uhuru also is: _http://www.uhurumovement.org/ It is interesting is that they are American support organisations and quite new. Did Russians benefit from the revolution sponsored by American capitalism? (For an answer: See Douglas Reed: The Controversy of Zion)

_http://www.africancrisis.co.za/Article.php?ID=19003& Book: Black South Africans are worse off under ANC Rule - Township violence returns!!
Date Posted: Monday 22-Oct-2007

[Adriana sent me this nice piece. Well, its "Disaster Capitalism" being it is being implemented by Socialists and Communists - that's why. I hope the CIA learns its lesson from this. Don't hand the country over to Marxist TERRORISTS and expect them to run a proper Capitalist Pro-Western society!! Jan]
WHY ARE VIOLENT SA TOWNSHIP PROTESTS BACK?


'Black South Africans are much worse off under ANC-rule than they ever were during apartheid... ' - Naomi Klein in "The Shock Doctrine: The Rise of Disaster Capitalism'...

After over a decade of ANC-rule under Thabo Mbeki, conditions for black people in SA are today so much worse than they ever were under apartheid that black communities all across the country's townships again have returned to the streets to protest -- waging violence-driven campaigns, this time against their own black regime. They are protesting against their dismal living conditions and also the drastic lack of civil liberties being endured under the Mbeki-regime.

Far-left Canadian journalist Naomi Klein noted these shocking living conditions of black South Africans under the Mbeki-regime -- describing them in her latest book "The Shock Doctrine: The Rise of Disaster Capitalism". Klein provides the following list of how living conditions for SA blacks have gotten worse:

o Four-million people now live on less than $1 a day (doubled since apartheid);
o 48% of the people now are unemployed; it was 28% under apartheid;
o only 5,000 of 35-million+ black South Africans earn over $60,000 a year;
the ANC government has built 1.8 million (ramshackle, tiny) new homes while two-million South Africans have lost theirs;
o Some 1-m blacks were evicted from farms by new black farmers;
o the shack dweller population grew by 50%,
o in 2006, one-quarter of the entire SA population lives in shacks without running water or electricity.
o the TB/AIDS infection rate is soaring past 20% -- and the Mbeki government denies the severity of the twin killer-epidemics;
o The average life expectancy for everyone is at 48 years; it hovered around 62 years during apartheid;
o 40% of all SA schools have no electricity;
o 25% of all the 46-million people in SA have no clean wate
o 60% of all the people have inadequate sanitation; 40% have no telephones.

http://www.amazon.com/Shock-Doctrine-Rise-Disaster-Capitalism/dp/0805079831
Posted By: Jan
AfricanCrisis Webmaster
Author of: _http://www.straighttalk.co.za/shop.asp?ID=1&#1

The above /writer/Webmaster suggests the cia was involved to get ANC into power. He thinks it may learn a lesson, but maybe they have a plan. In Russia after a century of blood and revolution the capital is now concentrated on less hands than before. Some people say that Americans have bought up a lot in SA, and due to ANC management they are getting it cheaper. The money and the business are backed up by:

_http://www.terradaily.com/reports/US_launches_new_African_military_command_999.html AFRICA NEWS
US launches new African military commandp
by Staff Writers
Stuttgart, Germany (AFP) Oct 2, 2007
The United States has launched a new military command for Africa in a move to better coordinate its presence on the continent, it said Tuesday.

The US Africa Command (AFRICOM) will run a single command post that will answer to the Pentagon on US military relations with 53 countries on the continent, it said in a statement.

Growing economy

_http://www.terradaily.com/reports/Walkers_World_CHIMEA_the_new_growth_hub_999.html AFRICA NEWS
Walker's World: CHIMEA, the new growth hub

by Martin Walker
Frankfurt, Germany (UPI) Oct 22, 2007
Amid all the financial troubles of the last three months, the emergent economies led by China and India have done well, but in few places has the news been better or more welcome than that from Africa.

The world focuses intently on the tragedies of Darfur and Zimbabwe, but the striking economic achievements of Ghana and Tanzania and the impressive strides into world markets made by South Africa (now a serious car exporter) have received too little attention.

Foreign immigration
Immigration has always been a feature for South Africa, The oldest people are the _http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khoisan Khoisan then much later around 1000 A. D. came the _http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bantu Bantu speaking tribesthat have their origin in the area of Cameroon. Essentially this migration is still ongoing. The Euopean immigration began around 1500 A.D. Due to many people and cultures there are 11 official languages in South Africa.

AFRICA NEWS China ready to send more farmers to Africa
Beijing (AFP) Sept 20, 2007
China is preparing to send more farmers to Africa as rural laborers find it increasingly difficult to find jobs in the nation's urban centres, state press reported. At a meeting in southwest China's Chongqing city, the head of China's Export-Import Bank Li Ruogu pledged to help finance African emigration as part of the city's urbanisation scheme, the People's Daily reported on its website. ... more

Some one told me, but it is not confirmed, that in the last three years Mozambique received 3000 Chinese, Angola 40000 and South Africa 160000. I had doubts about this but found an article from Jaunuary 9th 2006:

_http://www.mg.co.za/articlePage.aspx?articleid=260830&area=/insight/insight__economy__business/ From China with LoveBy Janet Wilhelm

It is estimated that there are between 100 000 and 200 000 mainland Chinese immigrants in South Africa, both legal and illegal. They have taken up residence in Cape Town and settled in small towns across South African and in neighbouring Lesotho, where even remote rural villages now have a Chinese shop. But most have come to Jo’burg, where they have colonised a spread of suburbs in the Eastern part of the city, from China Town in Cyrildene through to Edenvale.

The problem of not speaking English is averted by living in an almost enclosed economy -- working with Chinese and buying from other Chinese shops. Communication with customers can be as simple as providing the price of items. The urge to trade has overcome the language barriers.

That the Chinese have spotted the gap of wholesaling is testament to their entrepreneurship, particularly as many of them started out as hawkers back in the 1990s.

The earliest record of the new immigrants from mainland China dates back to 1991 when 42 were arrested in Boksburg and appeared wearing headbands with Chinese script that translated into “hunger strike”. They were all deported. The next time the presence of these new immigrants sprang into the public’s awareness was several years later when there were clashes on the streets of Johannesburg between Chinese and black hawkers. The latter objected to the Chinese muscling in on their turf.

However most immigrants are not Chinese, they are African

_http://news.independent.co.uk/world/africa/article1868062.ece Immigrants are victims as 'apartheid' returns to South Africa
By Sharmeen Obaid Chinnoy in Diepsloot, South Africa
Published: 13 October 2006

As dawn breaks over Zimbabwe, Douglas Foster and five other men crouch behind a fence, waiting for a South African border police patrol to pass. Shivering in the cold September rain they wriggle their way through three sets of fences to enter South Africa illegally. Desperate to escape the spiralling poverty in Zimbabwe, they risk everything to join millions of other African immigrants in one of the continent's most economically prosperous nations.

No one knows how many illegal immigrants there are in South Africa. A recent census suggested 1.1 million, but the real figure is almost certainly far higher. They come from all over the continent - Zimbabwe, Mozambique, Somalia, the Democratic Republic of Congo - but their growing numbers are causing a major backlash, leading to what some describe as a second apart-heid. Xenophobia is on the rise and in the past three months more than 32 Somalis have been killed.

Poor South Africans say that they are competing for resources with illegal immigrants. In Diepsloot, a sprawling, densely populated township of 120,000 people north of Johannesburg, Somali-owned businesses have been torched and looted several times this year. Two months ago, Johannes Seloane of the South African Business Forum of Diepsloot wrote a letter to the Somali shopkeepers asking them to leave immediately or face consequences. For now, most of them have chosen to stay.

"I cannot stop my people from resorting to violence," he said. "It's been two months now and they haven't left. My people are getting tired of them."

In the neighbourhood where I stay there have been some incidences of illegal immigrants committing crime. Some of them are hungry: Two boys from Mozambique tried to break into a neighbouring house, but in spite of having AK 47s they somehow did not do much. Then they settled in the kitchen garden and began to steal cabbage, which took so long that the police came and caught one of them.
In one article it is written that in 2005, 200.000 illegal immigrants were deported. It does not seem this flood of people will decrease, as women in surrounding countries bring forth more children than they can support comfortably. Average in Mozambique is six children and there is no food self-sufficiency and lots of unemployment so many go to South Africa to seek some kind of income.

On Sabc I found this:

Namibian government is concern about land reform
The Namibian government has voiced concerns about the slow pace of land reform accusing the country's more than four - thousand - 500 commercial farmers, of not offering the their farms for sale.
Source : CA
Thu, 26 July 2007, 0:00

This has raised fears of Zimbabwean style land grabs. The San community, ex-soldiers, landless and destitute, people with disabilities, and people expelled from commercial farms, constitute the categories of people targeted for resettlement.

The next concerns South Africa

_http://www.sabcnews.co.za/south_africa/land_affairs/0,2172,157850,00.html Govt intensifies land redistribution programme

Xingwana says most of the farming land is still in white hands

October 21, 2007, 16:00

The government plans to redistribute an additional five-million hectares of land in the next two years.

Agriculture and Land Affairs Minister Lulu Xingwana, said this while launching the Land and Agrarian Reform Project at Rawsonville near Worcester in the Boland.

She says most of the farming land is still in white hands and government plans to increase the number of black entrepreneurs in the agricultural sector by 10% by 2009.

She has also announced that a special fund will be established to assist farm dwellers and to set up a register of all farmers.

Farm workers in the area, Non governmental organisations (NGO's) and a small group of white farmers are attending the launching.

This is not new, by 2012 about 30-35 % has to be redistributed. What often happens when land gets redistributed is that the new small holdings go bankrupt after some time and get bought up by bigger farmers and then the cycle can begin again. Another aspect is that the new farmers take time to become as skilled as those who farm already, know their soil, the local weather, the economics involved in doing the work, buying machines and paying them off. It is going to be exciting to see how the transition will be managed by both those who will be encouraged to sell out, those who enforce the law and those who receive the responsibilty of farming.

thorbiorn

 

[Erna]

Hi thorbiorn

This post is about what I have read, seen and heard in South Africa. I sometimes go there to visit and have been coming for now three years.

Where have you visited in SA?

Researchers Find Earliest Evidence For Modern Human Behavior In South Africa

Yes, South Africa is considered as the 'Cradle of Humankind', because the oldest human fosils were found here, in Krugersdorp. Since you frequently visit SA, I would encourage you to visit 'The Cradle of Humankind'. It has a fantastic restaurant, called 'The Cradle' where rhinos, zebras, leopards and a wild variety of buck are gasing just a few yards away while you eat. There's also tours where they show you the archaeology project still continuing + you can crawl into the caves where these ancient peoples lived. The fossils are on display in glass cases in the restaurant.

Firstly, this website is a racist website - _http://www.africancrisis.org/signs/forum/
The host of this site, Jan Lambrecht, is pro white, anti black. He is also a frequent guest on the Jeff Rense radio show (search the Forum for Jeff Rense). He is also one of the loud voices behind the ludicrous "Uhuru" hoax.

The following link is a review of a movie about crime, at the same time it tells a little about the environment. I saw the film and it is well done.
Tsotsi: Can a baby redeem a hardened thug?.

Yes, that's our first film that won an Oscar last year, for the category "Best Foreign Language Film".

As for the 'Cape Danger Warning Signs', that was a cartoon in one of our newspapers by the legendary cartoonist, Zapiro. There are not signs like that on the roads in SA. That was a joke about the Cape Flats, which is rather notorious for their criminal gangs.

The "Boere Nostradamus" is a seer named Siener van Rensburg who lived is SA during the Anglo Boer War and had many accurate visions about the future. Unfortunately his visions (which are rather open for interpretation) has often inspired right wing white supremists to this day.

To the rumours of the possibility of some thing in the line of 'Uhuru' there is a comment:
Meisiekind2

Search the forum for info on the 'Above Top Secret' website. Like I said, the 'Uhuru' thing is a hoax.

On-line Video with Gustav Müller from Suidlanders about the Uhuru plan

The 'Suidlanders' are also a bunch of extreme right wing racists. Gustav Muller calls himself the Joshua of the Afrikaner nation. These people spread hate and division.


Did I mention we won the Rugby World Cup in France on Saturday?

 

[wodasi]

L U C K Y D U B E
(I had seen him in concert in Colorado)
I believe culprits have been caught..

Reggae King shot dead

by Kamogelo Seekoei The Soweton news
19 October 2007

Revered South African and international reggae artist Lucky Dube is dead. Dube was killed during a hijacking attempt in Rosettenville, Johannesburg, on Thursday night.

 

[Erna]

I believe culprits have been caught..

A bunch of suspects appeared in court today. I don't know what the outcome was. I wonder why they are so convinced that it was a carjacking, since his car wasn't taken. Just something I wondered about.

We do have a crime problem in SA, but since Insurers made it compulsory to fit vehicles with tracking devices in order to get insurance, carjackings have decreased tremendously.

 

[anart]

Search the forum for info on the 'Above Top Secret' website. Like I said, the 'Uhuru' thing is a hoax.

Thanks for the clarification, Erna. Thorbiorn, it would be really helpful if you would not put active links for disinformation sources in your posts (especially quite so many). I realize you may not always be aware of what is and what is not considered a disinformation source, but abovetopsecret has been covered extensively on the forum. Perhaps it would be best to put in fewer active links and disable all links that you are not certain are 'clean'? It might be one way to take care of the issue.

 

[thorbiorn]

Where have you visited in SA?

Nelspruit, Joehannesburg, Pretoria, Capetown, Plettenberg, Grahamstown, the stone desert South of Calvinia and have been driving through a number of other places.

I shall see about “The Cradle”, thanks for the tip.

The host of this site, Jan Lambrecht, […] He is also one of the loud voices behind the ludicrous "Uhuru" hoax.

Is he? What I got when reading is that he criticises them in fairly strong words.

I could spit blood when I think of the complete nonsense that came out of the mouths of Gustav, Tanya, et al. It makes no sense at all - unless they were provocateurs working for the ANC and NIA. Clearly they knew little and cared less for true history and its real meaning. They were just parroting a load of rubbish to try and trick Afrikaners!

In fact, they also "interpreted" the visions of Siener Van Rensburg as it suited them. I did point out to Tanya Du Preez on several occasions that I too had read the visions of Siener Van Rensburg in 2000, and that clearly, the race war he referred to occurred AFTER a World War in which Germany was the winner. Since no such thing had happened, clearly even judging by his prophecies, there was no Night of the Long Knives due. But she ignored that whenever I pointed it out to her.

thorbiorn wrote:

To the rumours of the possibility of some thing in the line of 'Uhuru' there is a comment:
Meisiekind2

Search the forum for info on the 'Above Top Secret' website. Like I said, the 'Uhuru' thing is a hoax.

Above Top Secret has it’s problems, that however does not mean no sense can never be found there. ‘Mesiekind2’’s argument is based on the idea that some believe in rumours.

Last April I went to Exclusive books in Mandela Square/Sandton City and flipped through what some black intellectuals think about the situation in South Africa? What I got was that some of them feel that although the blacks got in power or at least constitute the majority, enough of the wealth and all is still not with them after all these years, and so they think more has to be done. In how many ways can that happen?

If you are familiar with the history of Russia and the Russian revolution you will know that a very dramatic and bloody phase came in the thirties with the land reforms and forced collectivisations, which as I understand were implemented because the communists were not happy with the progress they had made since 1917 and felt more had to be done. Same in China during the Cultural revolution. No matter what colour a leader has there are always those who will rather blame somebody else for a failure, than take personal responsibility or re-examine the ideas they hold onto.

The mind of a mob.
This was in Mozambique and the opposition party had lost the election but it was a close race and rumours of fraud were there. The leader of the loosing party used the common strategy to blame his defeat on fraud committed by the ruling party. After a year the opposition party decided to hold a demonstration to protest, but they could not get permission in many place. Nevertheless it was held as planned. In my town the police fired shots at the few hundred people who were demonstrating and one person who was standing on the side watching but not participating was killed. No big deal, but 200 km to the west there is a smaller town. The demonstrators there first went to the prison and emptied it then brutalized and killed three or four police officers, and then took over some public facilities. As a result hundreds of police from all over were sent there and refilled the prison. That night 80 people new inmates packed in one room died of asphyxiation, only two survived from that cell.

Whether the leader of the Mozambiquean opposition was guilty or not, in any case his ideas were misinterpreted to make the mob free the prisoners resulting in a very violent outcome. In the post I quoted a meeting where Zuma had to calm people down and still some had a hard time doing this. It shows that a mob gone wild is not so easy to cool down.

What an immigrant said.
Erna, you live in Centurion, I have been there a couple of times and it is a very nice area which a lot of people from so called developed countries would like. I do not live in a city area like that, I am staying just 100 m from low cost housing and 2 km from slums with dirt roads and ‘houses’ one can’t believe exist until one has seen them. Now if anyone comes to me and tells me that nothing ever could happen in such areas; excuse me.

I have spoken with local blacks who are very upset with all the immigrants coming in. I have also spoken with illegal immigrants who are very nervous about staying but still have no alternative. I asked one of them about this Uhuru plan, about the when-Mandela-dies-scenario, and she told me, she knew very well about it, and she was afraid, not for the white folks that might die, but for herself. I replied, how come, you are black? She said the day he dies she is out of here because there is opposition to people from Zimbabwe and Mozambique because they take many jobs from local blacks. Mandelas wife is from Mozambique and he has a house in Maputo, so the government is friendly to Mozambique. In any case the day Mandela dies she fears some reaction against people from those two countries. Is it possible or not?
Right now one can say the situation in SA is fairly stable and calm, still no conditions remain the same.

Life in Mozambique
When the bread price went up in Maputo we noticed an increase in theft. The prices of the essentials have also increased here and what I notice is that theft in the place I am right now near Joeburg have gone up too.

Where I live in Mozambique there was a gang of young criminals, now it is quiet, they have got jobs in SA! The stream of boys and girls coming from a country like Mozambique is not going to decrease, half of the population there is below 16 years of age. Every year there are 150,000 more without employment. The minimum salary is 50 $ while 25 kg of rice is 15 $. Therefore no matter how comfortable the situation is now in South Africa, look at the demographics of surrounding countries, look at the occasional draughts higher up in East Africa which forces an increasing number of people into Mozambique etc.

There is a young man I know in Maputo, his cousin was in SA and at one time helped a couple of other boys to stay there illegally. Eventually they were caught and went to prison. They took a lot of beatings there from the guards, every day, especially the one who had helped to take in the others, but there was one plus, the food, they had meat, - real beef to eat. They came out of prison went to Mozambique and a later tried their luck again. Knowing what is in Mozambique I can not blame them although it does create more tension in SA. On the other hand when some of the Mozambique boys (+ girls) return from South Africa they have learned a lot about Bank robberies, armed assaults, high jacking etc, there is a great increase in Mozambique of these crimes. One time the police caught a stole car and brought it to the station, then the robbers came to the station, shot one police man and took back the car.

The "Boere Nostradamus" is a seer named Siener van Rensburg who lived is SA during the Anglo Boer War and had many accurate visions about the future. Unfortunately his visions (which are rather open for interpretation) has often inspired right wing white supremists to this day.

There is another one, Johanna Brandt, she was a health advocate, and author. Her biography is on the German Wikipedia.

Did I mention we won the Rugby World Cup in France on Saturday?

Here is the flag:

This said rugby is a very dangerous game. I once saw statistics in the Readers Digest First Aid book for South Africa. Rugby had the highest amount of injuries per year per 100 practitioners, 30 % more than judo which was in the second place. A friend of mine knows a young man, 18 years of age, with straight A’s, who earlier this year broke his neck playing rugby. He is now paralyzed and has to spend the rest of his life in awheel-chair. She told me there is a ward in a Johannesburg hospital with only Rugby injuries, - and it is always full.

In general it scares me to see huge amounts of people the world over so absorbed in sports, while so much is happening around them and they are hardly aware. The interest in sport and other entertainment is of course a way to distract people and prevent them from getting to something like the Uhuru stage. At the same time, adding up all the time spent on sports what could not be done? In Mozambique I told a local acquaintance half jokingly that a lot of families probably go without food to get money to buy a TV. He did not laugh. You are right, he said, a LOT of families.

That brings up another question, if people really ASK for this, why join in with critical comments? Who am I to say what they need in their evolution.

To Anart: ok with less active links, in the above on one flag.

thorbiorn

 

[Erna]

Hi thorbion, first off, the intention of my post was not to be critical, I just thought that you chose the most extreme sources possible to paint a VERY dark and gloomy picture of South Africa. In other words, I think your depiction is somewhat unbalanced.

I can't say that I lingered too long on Jan Lambrecht's website, I went there after it was mentioned of Jeff Rense's radio show, and as soon as I realized what his mission was all about I didn't visit again. There is so much hate speech on that website. He makes no secret of his stance towards black people. He doesn't disapprove of them because of this or that, he disapproves of them because they are black. And I think given his strong views on the matter, considering the fact that he resides in a country where whites are outnumbered 25-1, he might be better of somewhere else. His efforts isn't helping, it's throwing oil on a fire that's already out of control. Read through his website (_www.africancrisis.org), and if you still can't see my point, then I guess you and I will have to agree to disagree.

You see, I think in order to heal the ills of South Africa, and the rest of the world, we will have to get rid of all our programs. Programs designed to make us see people of different nationalities as our opponents. All South Africa's problems stem from this. We are all victims of our programs, and unless we get rid of that, there's no getting out of this dilemma.

A corrupt politician is a corrupt politician, irrespective of his or her skin colour or gender. As long as we make it a colour issue, or a gender issue, we will not see the light at the end of the tunnel. Our health minister is an alcoholic, because of that, her liver failed, she was moved up the donor list and immediately got a new liver. At the Canadian Aids Conference, she said that Aids patients shouldn't use anti-retroviral medicine, instead they must eat a lot of garlic and beetroot. She even decorated the exhibition stand with garlic and beetroot. That's where she got the nickname Dr. Beetroot. When she was younger, she worked at a hospital in Botswana, where she stole the jewellery off patients who were unconscious. Of all these things she's guilty of, yet, it has nothing to do with her skin colour. Corrupt people come in all shapes and sizes...and colours. Do you see what I'm getting at?

The africancrisis.org website depicts Nelson Mandela as a hater of white people, singing songs with lines that says "we will kill them all, the white people". Nothing could be further from the truth. Have you ever heard Nelson Mandela's speech before he was imprisoned in Rivonia for 27 years.

You can read it here : _www.anc.org.za/ancdocs/history/rivonia.html

I quote one line from that famous speech:

"I have fought against white domination, and I have fought against black domination.'

These words from a man who is about to be imprisoned for life. Nelson Mandela was labelled a 'terrorist' back then. Does that sound familiar to you. Many false flag operations were carried out by the Apartheid government and blamed on Umkhonto we Sizwe, the military arm of the ANC, in which Nelson Mandela had a big involvement in. I think the Church Street bomb might be one of these. Robert Mugabe helped them in the struggle, and harboured many freedom fighters when the ANC was still underground. That's why they are all turning a blind eye today to what's going on in Zimbabwe.

One thing you have to realise about South Africa, is that there is not 'only' division amongst blacks and whites, there is also division amongst the different black tribes. The Ndebeles, Xhosas, Zulus, Sothos, Swazis, Tsongas etc. kill each other off in the tens of thousands. Do you see how everything stems from programs designed to divide us.

Your post, therefore, didn't really scratch me so much in the fact that it contains disinformation, but from the fact that once again it is full of information that increase even more division. Again, you make it a black and white issue. You fail to notice the root of the problem. I have read about the 'Uhuru' thing quite extensively. I have looked at the people behind it. They are 'all' right-wing white supremist racists. For example these ones: _www.siener.co.za. They call themselves the "Daughters of Zion", and firmly believe that they are a direct channel from Jahweh. I visited their website long ago, before I even knew that something like Zionism existed. Then I read "Controversy of Zion" by Douglas Reid. They believe that "The Afrikaner" is actually God's chosen people, and Jahweh would come and rescue us and "kill all the godless blacks". I can go on and on about the voices behind this so-called Uhuru, they are all under suspicion.These people want the 'Uhuru' thing to happen, because it was apparently 'prophesized' to them.

You should read the book 'Uhuru', it gave me nightmares. It's about when Kenya gained independence. The blacks there went on a mad white killing spree. They put the white people on spikes. I have seen photographs of this. As you know, the ANC are already in power, so don't you think if they had 'any' such ideas they would have done it already. Think about it.

We are the 'only' country who managed to have a non-violent regime change. You are right about the dire situation of Mozambicans, although I think their lives are a picnic compared to their next door neighbours in Zimbabwe, but I think to have a discussion about that would not be necessary, for even those problems stem from the same source. Programs aimed to create division.

That brings up another question, if people really ASK for this, why join in with critical comments? Who am I to say what they need in their evolution.

I'm not sure what you mean with this. Who ASKED for this? For 'what' did they ask? You mean devolution...

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On the rugby thing, nothing brings SA together like rugby. Saturday night, blacks, whites, indians, coloureds etc. stood together as one people. There is absolutely no reason whatsoever that we can't live together in harmony.

 

[Mr. Premise]

I've noticed in several other posts by Thorbiorn that he is kind of obsessed with race.

I agree that the thrust of some the sources he quoted is that of right-wing white supremacists who jump on any evidence that A) Blacks can't govern themselves and B) They hate white people.

I'm not saying Thorbiorn is a white supremacist, but he may be and he does have some "issues" regarding race, I think.

Thorbiorn, that do you think?

Hi thorbion, first off, the intention of my post was not to be critical, I just thought that you chose the most extreme sources possible to paint a VERY dark and gloomy picture of South Africa. In other words, I think your depiction is somewhat unbalanced.

 

[thorbiorn]

in a country where whites are outnumbered 25-1,

That was not how I remembered it. I was curious to find out and went to the Web Site of Statistics South Africa. Having signed up I logged into the database. It showed the census numbers from 2001 and at that time there were 35.416.139 Blacks, 4.293.613 Whites, 3.994.465 Coloured, 1.115.406 Asians. Then I wondered if the 25-1 was only Afrikaans people, but found them to number 2.576.908.

Read through his website (_www.africancrisis.org), and if you still can't see my point, then I guess you and I will have to agree to disagree.

The above website I do not agree with to a large extend. A person can say many things that one does not find to be true on closer inspection. The question is, if there is anything in what a person says that does ring true, why ignore that? At the same time what he writes does reflect what some people think.

At the Canadian Aids Conference, she said that Aids patients shouldn't use anti-retroviral medicine, instead they must eat a lot of garlic and beetroot. She even decorated the exhibition stand with garlic and beetroot. That's where she got the nickname Dr. Beetroot.

Some pharmaceutical companies have tried/are trying to poison people.
See more on this page: _http://www.tig.org.za/ where one can read cases and research of Anthony Brink. I read his first two books. One can download them on the web site. I do not know if he is right in all he says but he does document the obfuscation of the big companies pretty well. The next explains why the government and Dr. Beetroot may have this opinion.
_http://www.tig.org.za/pdf-files/azt-mbeki_tshabalala-msimang.pdf
_http://www.dr-rath-foundation.org.za/pdf-files/mailnguardian-30nov04-rs.pdf
_http://www.dr-rath-foundation.org.za/

Corrupt people come in all shapes and sizes...and colours.

That is very true, some get corrupted by power. And there is the field of political ponerology, which is very important, if the intentions of Nelson Mandela have to last. There is a book out which comments on the corruption in Africa:
_http://credomutwa.com/interview-with-chika-onyeani-author-of-capitalist--homie-/#comment-3525

Have you ever heard Nelson Mandela's speech before he was imprisoned in Rivonia for 27 years.

You can read it here : _www.anc.org.za/ancdocs/history/rivonia.html

I quote one line from that famous speech:

"I have fought against white domination, and I have fought against black domination.'

Thanks, I just read it,. there are interesting bits in that talk. What you quoted is from the last paragraph and it summarizes something in the middle:

It may not be easy for this Court to understand, but it is a fact that for a long time the people had been talking of violence - of the day when they would fight the White man and win back their country - and we, the leaders of the ANC, had nevertheless always prevailed upon them to avoid violence and to pursue peaceful methods.

As a result of reading the speech of Nelson Mandela I read the Freedom Charter: _http://www.anc.org.za/ancdocs/history/charter.html and then looked into socialism. First I found an article I have heard of but never read: _http://www.monthlyreview.org/598einst.htm “Why Socialism” by Albert Einstein from 1949. Then I went to the page with articles about Africa where I found:

Mandela's Democracy by Andrew Nash _http://www.monthlyreview.org/499nash.htm It is a very interesting analysis and it brought me to understand democracy in other African countries.

Neoliberalism and Resistance in South Africa by Ashwin Desai _http://www.monthlyreview.org/0103desai.htm

From Racial to Class Apartheid: South Africa’s Frustrating Decade of Freedom by Patrick Bond _http://www.monthlyreview.org/0304bond.htm

The above two articles made me recall America-s-Darkest-Secret-The-Nine-Stages-of-American-Autogenocide _http://www.sott.net/articles/show/124948-

The World's Most Extreme Affirmative Action Program _http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110006066

More on socialism _http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism

Socialism in the 21st Century
[…] In South Africa the ANC abandoned its partial socialist allegiances on taking power and followed a standard neo-liberal route. But from 2005 through to 2007 the country was wracked by many thousands of protests from poor communities. One of these gave rise to a mass movement of shack dwellers, Abahlali baseMjondolo that, despite major police suppression, continues to advocate for popular people's planning and against the marketization of land and housing.

About the shack dwellers: _http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abahlali_baseMjondolo

One thing you have to realise about South Africa, is that there is not 'only' division amongst blacks and whites, there is also division amongst the different black tribes.

I have noticed that even within one group. When I was at the bookshop I looked at a book of Credo Mutwa, and he describes it also indirectly in at least one place in “Indaba, My Children”, and in words that are almost painful. It is a voluminous book with many stories. More about Credo Mutwa on _http://credomutwa.com/books/zulu-shaman/ which has a review and anexcerpt from:
“Zulu Shaman: Dreams, Prophecies, and Mysteries”. In this book Credo Mutwa tells of the dreams he has seen of the future of Africa. There is also a Credo Mutwa yahoo group: _http://groups.yahoo.com/group/credomutwa/
The introduction reads:

Credo Mutwa is the most well known and respected of Sangoma in Southern Africa. He is also one of only two Sanusi left in Africa; this is the highest level of initiation. As South Africa's most respected traditional healer, he is also author of several books, and has won wide acclaim for Indaba, My Children.

When you join this group you can meet like-minded people who are interested in Credo's work, his philosophy and also gain answers to questions you may have about Africa and your Roots.

I also found a link to an article where Credo Mutwa explains how white Europeans came to be called Umlungu in Zulu: _http://www.agoracosmopolitan.com/home/Frontpage/2007/03/16/01409.html


A few words about genocide in the north. When I read it I was thinking if this process explains in part why the Bantu tribes from the North came to the South and took over the land of the Bushmen. _http://credomutwa.com/history-and-that-gaddafi-diversionary-trail/

Just as in all the pre-Darfur continental genocides of the past 41 years in which 15 million Africans were murdered, the world appears, yet again, to watch at the sideline as another nation of Africans is being systematically destroyed by an African state run by a ruthless minority Arab/islamist hegemonic grouping. A total of 200,000 Darfuri have so far been murdered.
[...]
Imperium & Lebensraum

Furthermore, Gaddafi must have known, all along, that the overwhelming majority of Africans are vehemently opposed to be dragged and boxed into another conqueror/genocide-state, à la the existing ones – Nigeria, the Sudan, the Congos, Central Africa Republic, Chad, whatever! This is whether or not the envisaged contraption is more territorially expansive than the status quo or if it is subsumed under some creeping Arab/Islamist imperium, which is essentially what Gaddafi’s “union government” quest ominously prefigures. Gaddafi had indeed in 2001 appealed to Arabs, including those domiciled outside Africa, to support and join this contraption as the “only [living] space we have” for the future (Chris Akiri, “US of Africa: A dangerous proposition,” The Guardian, Lagos, 23 July 2007), a point already taken up so aggressively by the Sudan which has been settling thousands of Arabs on Darfuri lands “cleansed” of their African owners as the genocide intensifies (The Independent, London, 14 July 2007).
[…]
Yet, Gaddafi’s diversionary trail on Darfur must be exposed for what it really is: the Darfur genocide, in 2007, tragically illustrates the grim realities of Africa-Arab “relations” of nearly 2000 years which Gaddafi and other Arab expansionists and some of their African religio-political allies cannot ignore.

Serial aggression and expansionism were the interlocking dual tracks that codified Arab’s policy to the African World right from the outset. In the 7th century of the last millennium, a rampaging Arab/Islamist army invaded Africa from across Arabia in the northeast and seized the great African civilisation of Kemet (“ancient Egypt”). It later expanded this conquest westwards to cover the 3000 miles of territory to the continent’s northwest Atlantic coast – the so-called Maghrib. Africa lost one-third of its territory that the Arabs still occupy to the present day. Essentially this occupation has continued, thanks to the tapering off of the African resistance in Kemet and elsewhere in north Africa and the dispersal of millions of survivors to the neighbouring regions of central, eastern and western Africa.
[…]
Arab/islamist aggression on Africa paved the way to Europe’s later attack, underlining the very double jeopardy-character of the African holocaust. It is evident that a key lesson that Africans learnt from the former was crucial in enabling them to organise the permanent but flexible resistance that eventually led to the termination of the European occupation when it arose. This lesson is still pertinent as Africans reject any form of “unionisation” with the Arab World and respond robustly to the Darfur outrage and other mass murders programmed for the future. For the Arabs, genocide remains their historically trodden route to seek to complete their “Australasianisation” of Africa. The more recognisable or operationalising concept of this process of course goes by the following name – Arabisation/islamisation of Africa.

Erna mentioned tribes. Could one use the word tribe of other groups too: say English tribe, Afrikaner tribe, Jewish tribe, Chinese tribe, Hindu tribe, Muslim tribe, Somali tribe, Nigerian tribe, Zimbabwe tribe etc. Culturally at least they are tribes.

For healing scars of inharmonious interactions I am reminded of a group using a psychotherapy technique called family constellation. It was developed by a German priest while in South Africa because he felt something extraordinary was needed for South Africa. Now it has spread to many other countries.
_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bert_Hellinger or his own page:
_http://www.hellinger.com/international/english/index.shtml
_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_Constellations
It was from a South African I first heard about it.

thorbion wrote:

That brings up another question, if people really ASK for this, why join in with critical comments? Who am I to say what they need in their evolution.

I'm not sure what you mean with this. Who ASKED for this? For 'what' did they ask? You mean devolution...

I was just referring to the example of the TV, that this is what a family asks for. A lot of money get spent on consumer goods, much more than on investments that could generate work and jobs for those who do not have. And it is not that I believe in devolution, there is no such thing, I think. If all there is is lessons, then all lessons add up. Along with devolution, I think the Cassiopaean transcripts also spoke of inferiority and superiority and they said that we need to get over this.

I'm not saying Thorbiorn is a white supremacist, but he may be and he does have some "issues" regarding race, I think.

Thorbiorn, that do you think?

As for my more serious interest in race it began some years ago, I could not understand why there was a person I could not train to cook without burning the food. And there were a few other incidents that made me wonder seriously, like why the African development projects so often failed while the Asiatic countries like India, Japan and China picked it up more rapidly. Then when I got the net access I searched and found studies on race and intelligence. Due to your asking I tried to find something:

_http://www.isteve.com/IQ_Table.htm
_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IQ
_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_racism
_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_intelligence
_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_intelligence_(explanations)
_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_intelligence_(explanations)_(References)
_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Peer_review/Race_and_intelligence
_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_Differences_in_Intelligence has an illustration

So whereas inferiority, superiority is something to get over with I do not think one should ignore differences all the time. The question is what to do about it. Here I can think of several options.

One can redefine the issue and avoid talking about it. Humanity has had taboos before and one could just ad this one, sometimes I have the impression that this is already the case. Some authors bent and twist the subject to avoid drawing conclusions.

If the goal is that all races should be equal then some more research is needed to find out how to do this. That would entail either to invent some new way of explaining away the observed differences, or a manner through which the differences can be overcome.

If it is not realistic to make all equal but preferable to allow gradual evolution to take care then I think one should do as much as one can to educate people as much as is possible. And if one gives the idea more firmly that education should be ongoing through out life, then I think something might be accomplished. Also the manner of instruction could be restructured to make use of more than just logical or linguistic abilities for the purposes of learning.

I found something in the papers that there is a relation between lead content in the blood of children and the intelligence they develop later. Similarly there is a positive correlation between longer breastfeeding, better nutrition and intelligence. After all I have read today I think it is unrealistic to expect the government to take any action. It is up to the grass roots to pick it up. Of course there are many poor people who can not do much about it. Still there is a category of people who have the money and could buy healthier food than chips, biscuits and coke. I have a suspicion that cell phones are not good for the brain. But who would like to give up their phone or speak less? It is an individual choice how and how much one uses a cell.

Reagarding white supremacist I looked it up and found:
_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_supremacist
_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asian_pride
_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_nationalism (related to Uhuru movement, African Internationalism)

Here are few reasons why I think racial supremacy is unrealistic.

If one views race supremacy from the perspective of the soul, then it has no lasting value. One may appear in another race in another life.

There is consideration of Organic Portals but these appear in all races in about equal amounts. Even if one could safely identify them they deserve respect as others.

What to discriminate against, if anything is not colour but psychopathy, at least avoiding such types in power could help all. The problem is how to identify on a reliable basis.

Races are being tweeked continuously, nothing remains static.

Apparently a new race is being developed underground, to replace us, so it is futile to claim supremacy for any race.

The world is being invaded by machines. Machines rule more and more. We are already quite subservient to machines; we depend on our TV, our Car, our DVD, our Computer. Increasingly we are forced to adjust to the pace of technology.

Credo Mutwa says in one book that a new race will appear in Africa that will be mixed.

A lot of people actually do have traces in their genes, if only faint of other races already, why not acknowledge all of them.

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Hi thorbion, first off, the intention of my post was not to be critical, I just thought that you chose the most extreme sources possible to paint a VERY dark and gloomy picture of South Africa. In other words, I think your depiction is somewhat unbalanced.

After reading some of the sources I found for this post, especially the articles from Monthly Review I am actually sad, because it is so detailed and documented. Still it is not possible to separate what happens in South Africa from what happens in the world. The trend here in the relationship of the Government to the people is the same as in many other places on the planet.

The good news for South Africa is that it is a beautiful rich country and the population density is still much less than in China or India. One can say that South Africa is a social experiment. It is a challenge. If people do not close the eyes to what is, and work out the problems at hand, it can become an inspiration for many other people and nations.

Just bought a book called ‘The African Way’ by Mike Boon, now in its third edition since it was first published in 1996. Interestingly there is a quote by Credo Mutwa and even though I have not yet read the book I should like to conclude with his words:

Today in Southern Africa we need many lamps to be lighted to prevent the night from once more reclaiming our land. These lights must take many forms. They must take the forms of action done, they must take the form of structures built, they must take the forms of books written, to bring a new light upon our land. This book, The African Way marries the soul of Africa to modern business. It is more than helpful. In my many years of travelling all over the earth I have seen that the most powerful nations are those which have married their ancient warrior ethics, philosophy to modern business and technology. Like the Japanese who have brought the Samurai laws to bear on business strategy and labour relations. For this reason I welcome this inspiring book.

thorbiorn

 

[anart]

As for my more serious interest in race it began some years ago, I could not understand why there was a person I could not train to cook without burning the food.

I take it from the context that you are implying that you could not train this person because of their race, or because they were too unintelligent, and that was due to their race?

Could it, perhaps, have something to do with the way in which you were trying to train them? Could it have something to do with this person (or these people) simply not wanting to cook? Perhaps they didn't want to learn, or didn't want to cook for you - thus the burned food. Without further context, it's, of course, difficult to tell, but you seem to be not considering all the possible factors in the situation - but just coming to the conclusion that they must not be intelligent enough to understand what you were trying to train.

It's not like they couldn't grasp basic mathematics or language - cooking or not burning food does not require a lot of intelligence. It just seems like a rather bizarre conclusion to come to based on what you've said, but, perhaps I am misunderstanding you. If so, apologies.

 

[thorbiorn]

I'm inferring from the context that you are implying that you could not train this person because of their race, or because they were too unintelligent, and that was due to their race?

Could it, perhaps, have something to do with the way in which you were trying to train them? Could it have something to do with this person (or these people) simply not wanting to cook? Perhaps they didn't want to learn, or didn't want to cook for you - thus the burned food. Without further context, it's, of course, difficult to tell, but you seem to be not considering all the possible factors in the situation - but just coming to the conclusion that they must not be intelligent enough to understand what you were trying to train.

There can be many reasons, but training to not burn food when he was standing next to it? I am not fussy with a lot of spices, oil, just simple water. I do not think it was because he did not want to cook, we were on friendly terms and still are if we meet each other, although I have lost contact with him. This case I just took as a point of entry, it really happened, but I could have taken other examples. At the time I was working with hundreds of people. I never had similar experiences in Euro-Asia. And when trying to understand one speaks with others, from other countries, Chinese, Indians, Europeans, and also by observing how some Africans handle their own people, that is perhaps the most amazing part. The research done explains quite well the observations.

If my answer is hard to understand, Why not come here to Southern Africa and take your time a lot of time, maybe years, get to know a lot of different people from different groups, and social layers, work with them, socialize with them, laugh with them, look and listen. It is different, especially if you do not stay in towns and neighbourhoods that look just the same as were you live now, because Southern Africa has got everything, all kinds of housing and social structures and therefore also something that looks like your local shopping mall.

thorbiorn

 

[anart]

Apologies, thorbiorn, but your explanation doesn't clarify anything. I've met people all over the North American continent who were remarkably unintelligent - so much so that I didn't understand how they could dress themselves - literally. But - they were of several different races. The question I have at the moment is why you are so sure that race determines intelligence, especially based on your anecdotal evidence and determinations of what is and what is not 'intelligent' behavior.

It is rather a myopic veiw you are presenting - you and people who have your skin color appear to be 'the norm' and everyone who differs from you in ways you don't find to be positive is less 'intelligent' and, apparently, all of those people have a dark skin color. It would not surprise me to find out that your African neighbors find you to be quite unintelligent in many ways, because of things about their culture and way of life that you are incapable of understanding.


You bring up 'research' but as has been proven time and again, research can literally prove ANYTHING - depending on who conducted it and why, especially when one reads the research with a pre-determined mind set of what is and what is not accurate.

 

[John G]

The standard deviation for intelligence for any race can dwarf any average differences. There are African American physicists and engineers. Not sure I should bring up another personality-like model but my wife did her Masters thesis on the Multiple Intelligences theory. There are different types of intelligence (as Anart mentioned). For example there's intrapersonal and interpersonal intelligences. Do you really care what Mother Theresa's IQ was?

 

[Erna]

Erna wrote:
in a country where whites are outnumbered 25-1,

That was not how I remembered it. I was curious to find out and went to the Web Site of Statistics South Africa. Having signed up I logged into the database. It showed the census numbers from 2001 and at that time there were 35.416.139 Blacks, 4.293.613 Whites, 3.994.465 Coloured, 1.115.406 Asians. Then I wondered if the 25-1 was only Afrikaans people, but found them to number 2.576.908.

It's impossible to do a census survey in a country with so many informal settlements like South Africa. A great number of black mothers give birth at home and don't acquire birth certificates for their children, and a great number of black people pass away and are buried by their families without the authorities ever knowing. I still think I was a little conservative in my estimate. A bunch of Nedbank economists said recently that the SA population is estimated at 45 million, roughly 2 million whites have emigrated, and the remainder of the white population is estimated to be closer to 2 million. They also said that there is an estimated 26 million illegal immigrants from mostly Zimbabwe and Mozambique. My point was still based on the fact that whites are greatly outnumbered.

Erna wrote:
Read through his website (_www.africancrisis.org), and if you still can't see my point, then I guess you and I will have to agree to disagree.

The above website I do not agree with to a large extend. A person can say many things that one does not find to be true on closer inspection. The question is, if there is anything in what a person says that does ring true, why ignore that?

How can you say "person x can say many things that one does not find to be true. The question is, if there is anything in what a person x says that does ring true, why ignore it." The truth is a funny thing, you only have one go at it if you wish for your opinion to be respected. If SOTT published 50% truth and 50% lies, would you say: "A lot of what SOTT says isn't true, but why ignore the true things they say." I don't think so.

At the same time what he writes does reflect what some people think.

Yes, _www.stormfront.org also reflects what some people think, yet I don't use it as a reference to depict humanity, the way you have used the most extreme sources to depict South Africa.

Some pharmaceutical companies have tried/are trying to poison people.

The pharmaceutical issue have also been covered here in great dept, yet you are doing the same thing with Manto than you did with Jan Lambrecht. She is either ethical in all her ways, or she isn't, which she clearly isn't. So I don't think she suddenly had an attack of conscience about the AIDS issue. Even if there is any truth in what she said, don't you think she did the argument more harm than good, considering her other activities. Everybody knows that she is corrupt, therefor nothing coming out of her mouth holds water. It's like Hitler saying: "Love thy neighbour", if you catch my drift.

There is a book out which comments on the corruption in Africa

No one disputes that Africa is corrupt. Yet, if it had anything to do with colour, then North America, Europe, the Middle East, Asia and Australia would have been Utopia.

From what source did you quote the bit about the Arab expansion into Africa? From what I know about European expansion, I think I prefer Arab expansion.

I was just referring to the example of the TV, that this is what a family asks for. A lot of money get spent on consumer goods, much more than on investments that could generate work and jobs for those who do not have.

????????????????????????????????????? Sorry, I lost you there.

As for my more serious interest in race it began some years ago, I could not understand why there was a person I could not train to cook without burning the food. And there were a few other incidents that made me wonder seriously, like why the African development projects so often failed while the Asiatic countries like India, Japan and China picked it up more rapidly. Then when I got the net access I searched and found studies on race and intelligence.

Have you seen this srticle on SOTT recently? It was in the 'Sience & Technology' section:

www.sott.net/articles/show/141881-F...Africans-are-less-intelligent-than-Westerners

One thing that guy says does make sense: "There is no firm reason to anticipate that the intellectual capacities of peoples geographically separated in their evolution should prove to have evolved identically." Let's assume for a moment that black people are less intelligent than white people, does that give whites then legitimate grounds for exploiting blacks, occupying their land and resources, enforcing Western laws on their society, enforcing Western religion on their societies etc. I can't entertain this idea, because then are all intelligent black people accidents of nature, and are all unintelligent white people the exception to the rule? Science don't make mistakes.

Yeh, cooking food is a bad example, cause it doesn't require much intellect. I assume when you taught this person to cook, you did that in English. I wonder how intelligent you would appear if someone teaches you something in Xhosa.

the Cassiopaean transcripts also spoke of inferiority and superiority and they said that we need to get over this.

Exactly.

That would entail either to invent some new way of explaining away the observed differences

Why should we explain away our differences, we should celebrate it. Imagine what a boring place the world would be if we were all the same. Oh sorry, you mean intellectual differences.

Apparently a new race is being developed underground, to replace us, so it is futile to claim supremacy for any race.

'Apparently', the moon is made of green cheese.

_www.planetfusion.co.uk/~pignut/cheese.html

The good news for South Africa is that it is a beautiful rich country

Yeh, I thought you could have elaborated a bit more on the beauty of South Africa, since you did post in the "travelogues" section, instead of the "Political Ponerology" section.

I know of Credo Mutwa, he and David Icke are good friends. Here is an interview with Credo Mutwa & David Icke:

_www.newsforthesoul.com/icke-june25-2005.htm

And here are some beautiful pics of South Africa:

_www.places.co.za/cgi-bin/places/photos/photos.cgi

 

[thorbiorn]

You bring up 'research' but as has been proven time and again, research can literally prove ANYTHING - depending on who conducted it and why, especially when one reads the research with a pre-determined mind set of what is and what is not accurate.

It is possible. Still if what you say was always so, why do we do research. In psychology people use the scientific method at least some of the time: _http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychology _http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method


But what you had in mind was perhaps this:
_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wishful_thinking
_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-serving_bias
_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Group-serving_bias
_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outgroup_homogeneity_bias
_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Group_think
_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_bias
_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudo-science
_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargo_cult_science
_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias
_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suppression_of_dissent

For intelligence testing, rather than a complicated test, one can try with a moderate degree of accuracy something more simple.
Three abstracts of studies showing correlation between reaction time and general intelligence.
_http://spi.sagepub.com/cgi/content/abstract/5/2/77
_http://spi.sagepub.com/cgi/content/abstract/12/4/355
_http://www.voppsy.ru/journals_all/resume/1995/954/e954065.htm

A lot of people have worked on, discussed, argued and debated race and intelligence.
_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_intelligence
_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Peer_review/Race_and_intelligence
_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_intelligence_(Controversies)
_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_intelligence_(test_data)
_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_intelligence_(interpretations)
_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_intelligence_(Explanations)
_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_intelligence_(potential_for_bias)
_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_intelligence_(utility_of_research)
_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linda_Gottfredson


There is something called the Flynn effect.
Via _http://robertlindsay.blogspot.com/2007/10/skyrocketing-black-iq.html I found some good sites,(and I prefer to read those instead of the blog).
_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flynn_effect
_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Flynn_effect
‘Beyond The Flynn Effect’ was a real joy to read. It is long, but it is very informative and he opens op new vistas that may help bridge gaps. Professor James Flynn argues that the averages of general intelligence have increased over the last century.
_http://www.thepsychometricscentre.co.uk/publications/BeyondTheFlynnEffect.asp
_http://www.brookings.edu/views/papers/dickens/20060619_IQ.pdf
_http://www.brookings.edu/views/papers/dickens/20060619_response.pdf
_http://language.la.psu.edu/~thorne/Intelligence2005.pdf Rising mean IQ: Cognitive demand of mathematics education for young children, population exposure to formal schooling and the neurobiology of the prefrontal cortex.
By Clancy Blaira,*, David Gamsonb, Steven Thornec, David Bakerd

In regard to Mathematics I heard from a friend that during the apartheid days many black children did not get proper education in mathematics. He said it was a crime.

But there are other ways too to develope the brain besides mathematics: _http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/09/060920093024.htm

First Evidence That Musical Training Affects Brain Development In Young Children

ScienceDaily (Sep. 20, 2006) — Researchers have found the first evidence that young children who take music lessons show different brain development and improved memory over the course of a year compared to children who do not receive musical training.

The standard deviation for intelligence for any race can dwarf any average differences. There are African American physicists and engineers. Not sure I should bring up another personality-like model but my wife did her Masters thesis on the Multiple Intelligences theory. There are different types of intelligence (as Anart mentioned). For example there's intrapersonal and interpersonal intelligences.

That is true. I know about the Multiple Intelligence theory. Many years ago I saw a model with 90 values, 3 x. 5 x 6. The Multiple Intelligence theory, if it is the one I am thinking of has less. The model might be used to design new teaching strategies for enhanced learning.

Yet, if it had anything to do with colour, then North America, Europe, the Middle East, Asia and Australia would have been Utopia.

That is what many Africans believe, many people want to go to Europe and are going. Someone suggested that millions will migrate.

From what source did you quote the bit about the Arab expansion into Africa? From what I know about European expansion, I think I prefer Arab expansion.

The link about the Arab invasion in the North was: _http://credomutwa.com/history-and-that-gaddafi-diversionary-trail/
Below is the section I did not include about the history up to the time the Europeans came.

Serial aggression and expansionism were the interlocking dual tracks that codified Arab’s policy to the African World right from the outset. In the 7th century of the last millennium, a rampaging Arab/Islamist army invaded Africa from across Arabia in the northeast and seized the great African civilisation of Kemet (“ancient Egypt”). It later expanded this conquest westwards to cover the 3000 miles of territory to the continent’s northwest Atlantic coast – the so-called Maghrib. Africa lost one-third of its territory that the Arabs still occupy to the present day. Essentially this occupation has continued, thanks to the tapering off of the African resistance in Kemet and elsewhere in north Africa and the dispersal of millions of survivors to the neighbouring regions of central, eastern and western Africa.


Soon, the Arab/Islamists converted their north African occupation and their later cultural hegemony in Sahelian west Africa into a profitable conurbation for the enslavement and export of Africans as well as non-human resources such as gold (particularly) to the Arab World, Asia and southern Europe. At the height of the occupation, the Arab/islamists exported two million enslaved Africans per annum to the Arab World (Chinweizu, Decolonising the African Mind, Lagos, Pero, 1987, p. 129.) and extensively depleted the gold reserves in the Sudan, Mali, Songhai, Kanem-Bornu and elsewhere, which were transferred to enrich the bourses and palaces of the Arab World. Considering the magnitude of this export of African resources at the time, it is not without significance that the Arabs themselves have a saying, “Against the camel’s mange use a tar, and against poverty make a trip to the Sudan.” (Cheikh Anta Diop, Precolonial Black Africa, New York: Lawrence Hill Books, 1987, p. 136.) The role of the Arab World itself in the re-export of enslaved Africans in its territory to southern Europe (in addition to the Near-East and southwest Asia) during the period – a practice which dramatically doubled and, in some cases, tripled the “value” of the enslaved Africans – was such that in Naples, for example, 83 per cent of those enslaved there by the 15th century were Africans (Chinweizu, Decolonising the African Mind, p. 129). And, contrary to “conventional” wisdom, enslaved Africans worked Arab/Islamist sugar plantations in Morocco as early as the 9th century AD, almost 600 years before the Americas!

Morocco itself would later on in 1593 attack, pillage, and seize prominent towns of Songhai, leading ultimately in its wake to the collapse of the Songhai state, ironically the most islamised of the Sahelian west African states. Parallel to these events in west Africa, Arab/islamist expansionism in east Africa, subsequent to the initial 7th century invasion of the north, soon spread along the Somali, Kenyan and Mozambican coastline and their occupation of the offshore island of Zanzibar, which they later transformed into a strategic colony for enslaved Africans.

“Australasianisation”, Africophobism, Double Jeopardy


From the above-mentioned coastal bridgeheads of east Africa, the Arab/Islamists began to exert enormous influence into the affairs of the existing independent states of the African hinterland – in the east, central and southern Africa. In the latter two regions, as were the cases in north and western Africa, they pursued a scorched earth policy of brigandage, murders and the enslavement and export of millions of African peoples to the Arab World and elsewhere – a practice that actively went on well into the 16th century when it, in turn, was enveloped by the burgeoning European eventual attack and take-over of Africa. Vusamazulu Credo Mutwa, the Zulu historian, recalls, most chillingly, the aftermath of the Arab enslavement of southern Africa: “no less than a hundred [nations] were wiped out completely [during the period] in Tanganyika, Kenya, the Congo basin and [Zambia].” (Chinweizu, Decolonising the African Mind, p. 129.) The Arab aggression was couched in the language of racist bigotry and attendant Africophobism that hauntingly anticipates Europe’s own rationalising efforts a few centuries later: “You Kafurs are not people. It is the will of Allah and the Prophet that we catch you and sell you, for you are not people … you have no souls. Allah gave you to us for servants.” (Vusamazulu Credo Mutwa, “The Rout of the Arabi,” in Chinweizu, Voices from Twentieth Century Africa [London & Boston: Faber and Faber, 1988], p. 13.) Finally, in eastcentral Africa in the early 1550s, the Arab/islamists dealt a further blow to Africa’s independence. They overran the three “successor states” of Nubia, essentially the surviving bastions of Africa’s ancient Nile valley civilisations, thus extending their territorial stranglehold on the Nile further south to the river’s strategic middle stretches.

I assume when you taught this person to cook, you did that in English.

It was actually Portuguese, which he knew too. In the meantime I have learned to eat burned food. When there are no spices, the burning adds a bit of taste, as long as it does not get to the point of catching fire.

Have you seen this srticle on SOTT recently? It was in the 'Science & Technology' section:
http://www.sott.net/articles/show/141881-Fury-at-DNA-pioneer-s-theory-Africans-are-less-intelligent-than-Westerners

I did not see it. I have been looking through all the links that I mentioned earlier and some more. The link I put in bold is the one that has the best prospect of providing knowledge of how to overcome. There is one transcript about African intelligence and the Cassiopaeans. They said not less intelligent, less developed. That is how I understood it. An interesting question is if one could speed up the development of intelligence, so that it does not take generations, like what Professor James Flynn implies? I think what you mentioned in your first post, removing programs, is one aid to develop it, since some programs function as learning blocks.

I just listened to Credo Mutwa while typing. It is a great interview, thank you. More Credo Mutwa and Davide Icke:_http://www.metatech.org/credo_mutwa.html
From your picture site: Tsitsikamma

thorbiorn