Recently my awareness has been growing

[bozadi]

I think Ra was referring to other third density sto planets that were unveiled but still physical, as homes sapients were before the fall.

That's also a possibility, but for now I stick to the idea that Ra's "pre-veil" and the C's "LWC" are synonymous. I hope that we can find/remember (or get reminded) any concrete info or clues that can clarify the issue.

 

[bozadi]

so you're mashing up a lot of stuff that needs higher ... knowledge

And is there a problem in trying to bring pieces of clues together to reach "higher knowledge"? And why not be more specific about how you think the session quotes you made relate to the discussion?

 

[Fluffy]

There are many unknowns / questions about these issues, naturally, but here are the main possibilities I can think of:

The fact that there are 5D STS beings doesn't preclude the idea that the LCW is STO from beginning to end. The journeys of STO and STS entities appear to "intersect" in 5D but this doesn't mean that they share the exact same environment in 5D, or that they "interact". Also, 5D is not just another density; there's a GREAT difference between 4D STS and 5D STS. A 4D STS entity may increase its STS polarity to 100%, and thus cease to exist (switching to STO in 4D is also among the possibilities, though), but if a 4D STS being graduates to 5D STS, it can do this "only by decreasing" its STS polarity and "increasing" its STO polarity to some extent, although it doesn't give up STS. This is because 5D is completely ethereal essentially. STS is inevitably associated with "materiality/physicality". So, leaving materiality behind is only possible by increasing STO. After 4D, any STS being is "destined" to switch to STO, either in 5D or, at the latest, in 6D.

And this could/ would be true of a 5D sts entity that at the 5th level it recognises its connection to all that is this realising it’s the creator and then having no choice but to polarise to sto to sanitise its mind bending schizophrenia.
At 5th I would imagine sts as a complete and utter madman desperately sucking life out of physical existence to try to sustain its individuality in solitude. Creating just to destroy, controlling astral realms like blobs moving through space like the big nothing from Neverending Story and throwing whatever it can to suck out the other side of big black holes controlling the multiverse that exist through their window portals in desperate attempt to feed itself some kind of physical comfort.

May be at that level it no longer craves physicality, just power and control.

 

[Fluffy]

And is there a problem in trying to bring pieces of clues together to reach "higher knowledge"? And why not be more specific about how you think the session quotes you made relate to the discussion?

I see nothing wrong with trying to imagine and amalgamate what we think we know or might know or whatever possibility that pops into our minds…. Because they are probably as legitimate at the thought in the first place, in an infinite universe how wrong can one really be?

 

[bozadi]

May be at that level it no longer craves physicality, just power and control.

Yeah, their craving for physicality is much less probably, compared to 4D STS.

 

[bozadi]

A possible clue about creation/production of "STO and STS souls"?

Questioner: Well, I was aware of that. I probably didn’t state the question correctly. It’s a very difficult question to state. I don’t know if it’s worth attempting to continue with but what I meant was when this very first experiment with the veiling process occurred, did it result in service-to-self polarization with the first experiment?

Ra: I am Ra. The early, if we may use this term, Logoi produced service-to-self and service-to-others mind/body/spirit complexes immediately. The harvestability of these entities was not so immediate and thus refinements of the archetypes began apace.

Does this explanation refer to the creation of STO and STS souls directly, or to "harvest results"? It first appeared like "creation of souls" to me, but reading again, it now sounds more like harvest only.

 

[bozadi]

What makes someone a candidate for the fourth density and return to the STO path?

Another nice explanation:

A: When you see the futility of the limitations of 3rd density life, it means you are ready to graduate.

 

[axj]

And is there a problem in trying to bring pieces of clues together to reach "higher knowledge"?

A possible problem I see with discussions like this is that it is quite theoretical and has little to no practical application for us currently.

It can be fun and sometimes even useful to go into topics like this, but we need to be careful not to focus too much on such discussions at the expense of more practical matters in front of us.

Having said that, what my mind is wondering about is why a short wave cycle is necessary if time does not really exist. Does it matter that progress towards 7D is quicker in the short wave cycle or are there other reasons for its existence?

 

[Fluffy]

A possible problem I see with discussions like this is that it is quite theoretical and has little to no practical application for us currently.

It can be fun and sometimes even useful to go into topics like this, but we need to be careful not to focus too much on such discussions at the expense of more practical matters in front of us.

Having said that, what my mind is wondering about is why a short wave cycle is necessary if time does not really exist. Does it matter that progress towards 7D is quicker in the short wave cycle or are there other reasons for its existence?

I totally agree. Before I started paying attention to reality, somewhat, I spent most of my time in fantasy land, either imagining how I’d like things to be or imagining myself being someone else experiencing their reality, I still love to escape there but it’s not living in this reality and dangerous because of lack of awareness and care about what’s really going on.

I think time exists but not as we know it to in a fixed cyclical calendar controlled by moon phases and spinning around in a twist around a star. I like your question though, relates to the comment by the C’s ‘when one reaches 7th then all do’. Yeah…, so what’s the hurry?
May be the short wave offers more variety of experience with solid formations in materialism? I often look at strange creatures and their very weird appendages, reproductive cycles, eating habits etc, and think who the hell came up with that idea and why? Then realise, why not?

 

[Ricardo]

( Slightly off topic , anyways , there's no individuation below 3rd , so this

Let me continue to mess with the can of worms. The big bang "energies" (light?) exploded from 7D, some of which arrive in 1D, are not "individuals". But we know (?) that any 1D being is a soul. What is a 1D soul like? How does a soul get appointed to 1D? These are some of the "worms" that come to my mind...

is nonsensical and/or poorly worded , and does not add to this thread , like trying to define a border-less border )

 

[Fluffy]

( Slightly off topic , anyways , there's no individuation below 3rd , so this

is nonsensical and/or poorly worded , and does not add to this thread , like trying to define a border-less border )

I don’t know if saying it doesn’t add to this thread is correct concept. The title suggests growing of awareness and awareness comes from asking questions, sharing ideas, reading, paying attention, anything that causes inquiry.

I tend to think that the more information we have the more information we can receive and the greater our ability to makes sense of the information that doesn’t make sense.

I could be being rather biased because I like the way bodazi thinks, and I’m certainly in alignment with the ‘no knowledge is better than false knowledge’ concept, but without some knowledge how do we decide what is false knowledge.

I hope Karol123 doesn’t think this thread is being derailed, the intention wasn’t to drift away from the original topic.

 

[Fluffy]

Session December 10th 1994


Q: (L) How does one get to be a 4th densitycandidate?

A: Natural progression.

Q: (L) Is everyone on this planet a 4th densitycandidate?

A: No.

Q: (L) How many are there?

A: Open.

Q: (L) Could someone become a candidate overnight who is not now a candidate?

A: Yes.

Q: (T) How many strands of DNA do we have?

A: Terry, 4; Frank, 4; Jan, 3; Laura, 3.

Q: (L) Well, gee... does this have anything to do with sex?

A: No.

Q: (L) Are you telling us that Frank and Terry are smarter than Jan and me?

A: You are growing your 4th, 5th and 6th right now.

Q: (T) If our 3rd density were to examine our DNA right now would they see this?

A: They would call it Junk DNA.

Q: (T) Would it be noticeable as DNA that was not there before?


Another factor to take into factor if someone is to be considered a 4D candidate. The regrouping of our junk DNA, which then instructs our antennae, which are proteins, to be able to receive more information. This comes about by acquiring knowledge and working on ourselves.

The C’s state that all knowledge is good knowledge so as long as we are continually learn as close to the truth as possible then we are instructing our DNA.

I would say that doing anything that goes against this, too much idle, useless entertainment or hedonistic pleasure would switch off this process quite swiftly. I would also consider if the topics of interest are too narrow then the DNA cannot arrange itself back to full strands either.

 

[truepositive]

There is this thing about 'time speeding up-down' - and/ or experience doing the same thing. The perspective offered by most prophets and such inclines to agree. At the very base level, which is also every imaginable extrapolation of itself, we are struggling to work out how to not be deeply conflicted, ineffective, uninformed (non forum members mostly). The game never ends though and that is fine, even logical.

The fun part is that reality is 101% certainly more complex then what i just imagined, because it has to work that way.

 

[bozadi]

Having said that, what my mind is wondering about is why a short wave cycle is necessary if time does not really exist. Does it matter that progress towards 7D is quicker in the short wave cycle or are there other reasons for its existence?

Other than the difficulty of increasing one's polarity in the LWC (or the pre-veil, in Ra's terms) at least in the case of 3D souls, like we experienced, I think STS experience is only possible in the SWC as it involves materiality. A completely ethereal "journey" (especially in 3D and 4D) wouldn't allow STS experience, I suppose. And here's another question I wonder about: Is STO only possible in the LWC or is it also possible in the SWC? The C's mention the existence of quadrillions of planets hosting 3D STO entities. But do all or at least some of these 3D beings "get in" physical bodies? Or is it completely ethereal, as we were before the fall?

Although I take Ra's term "pre-veil" to be synonymous with the C's term "long wave cycle", I think one of the main problems about this idea is that Ra clearly states that we were reincarnating in the pre-veil realm, too, despite the fact that Ra seems to say that the pre-veil was a "time/space" (ethereal), rather than "space/time" (material), realm. But the C's seem to say that reincarnation only applies to the SWC:

A: [...] levels one through four, more appropriately density levels one through four, all involve short wave cycle recycling, or, as you refer to it, reincarnation. Because, each and every one of these density levels has a soul and a physical body marriage, as it were, in progressive life experiences. Each and every one of these density levels involves movement to the fifth level of density for contemplation during the cycling process. It is level six, which is the first level where short wave cycle recycling is no longer necessary because there is no more physical orientation. Therefore, all levels, one through four have a soul reflection of the physical body at all times when in physical state.

However, there's also this:

Q: So, you seem to be suggesting that the real trick is to just become non-attached to anything and anybody, do nothing, and just dissolve into nothing? No thought, no want, no do, no be, no anything!

A: If you are STS, that does not fit, but, if you did exactly that, you would reincarnate in an STO realm, where such energy does fit.

Q: But, if you have become nothing, how do you reincarnate? And, when you say 'reincarnate,' that implies being in a body!

A: You do not become nothingness.

Q: But, being incarnated means being in a body?

A: No.

Q: You mean moving into a realm that does not necessarily mean being in a body?

A: Close. But 4th density is partially physical. Does not consume nor possess.

Could the bolded part in the above quote mean that reincarnation can also apply to the LWC? An ethereal reincarnation as the Ra seems to imply? Or the C's just mean that reincarnation in 4D doesn't always mean reincarnating into a physical body due to the "variability of physicality" in 4D?

 

[bozadi]

( Slightly off topic , anyways , there's no individuation below 3rd , so this

Let me continue to mess with the can of worms. The big bang "energies" (light?) exploded from 7D, some of which arrive in 1D, are not "individuals". But we know (?) that any 1D being is a soul. What is a 1D soul like? How does a soul get appointed to 1D? These are some of the "worms" that come to my mind...

is nonsensical and/or poorly worded , and does not add to this thread , like trying to define a border-less border )

Can you please show me where, in your quote of my post, there's a mention of individuation below 3D?