Recognition of the State of Palestine

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Who would have thought? a Tory (Conservative) Minister speaking out against Israeli occupation!

Alan Duncan is an intresting charachter, the first openly Gay MP and distinctly pro-Palestinian, he has often been the centre of negative media attention.

Frankly, I don't trust any UK politicians, but good to hear one speaking out for what's right. No?

srael’s settlements in the West Bank amount to a “wicked cocktail” of occupation and illegality, a system akin to apartheid South Africa that brings shame on the Israeli government, the former Tory minister Sir Alan Duncan will say on Tuesday.

In one of the strongest attacks on the government of Binyamin Netanyahu by a frontline UK politician, Duncan will criticise Tel Aviv for its “reprehensible” behaviour in encouraging and supporting the creation of “illegal colonies”.

The former international development minister – who was given a desk in the foreign office as the prime minister’s envoy to Oman and Yemen after he left the government in the summer reshuffle – said supporters of settlements should be regarded as extremist
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full article
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/oct/14/alan-duncan-to-condemn-israeli-settlements-in-blistering-speech
 
However, although it seems like the vote to agree to recognise Palestine as an independent state will go through, opposition from an unexpected quarter is making a bit of noise, the Labourr Parity are struggling to get some of heir MP's to comply with a "3 line whip" that is to say - more than a Strong hint that they should support the motion.a

"The Labour friends of Israel" a parliamentary group are far from happy ( all the major parties have a Friends if Israel. 80% of Conservatives are reported as being members Labour also have a friends of Palestine and the Middle East) - with more members than their FOI group, but it seems to me that they are far less outspoken.

here is a link to the article

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/12/mps-vote-recognition-palestinian-state
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It seems that "Voting by 274 to 12, a majority of 262, MPs on all sides urged the Government to "recognise the state of Palestine alongside the state of Israel" as part of a "contribution to securing a negotiated two-state solution"." That's a lot of MPs voting in favor! Here's the article on Sott: http://www.sott.net/article/287322-Palestine-vote-UK-MPs-take-historic-decision-to-recognise-Palestinian-state
 
I wonder if Palestine succeeds in becoming a recognized state, that will have some implications on the future destruction of Israel?. Because psychopaths will not stop to exterminating Palestinians, that would become a war between states: with other rules, and other partners on the Palestinian side.
 
Motions of Palestinian state going viral?
Ireland joins Sweden and the British House of Commons to express support for Palestinian statehood.
A similar motion is pending before the Spanish Congress.
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From: _http://www.veteransnewsnow.com/2014/10/23/510775-u-s-leaders-listen-to-this-irish-senator/

Meanwhile Israel's stakes are slipping downhill:

The summer war against Hamas had the solid support of most Israelis. For its friends abroad, the manner and scale of the military assault on Gaza was baffling and counterproductive. It attracted widespread international opprobrium for no identifiable strategic gain. The death of 2,000, mostly civilian Palestinians, and the bombing of United Nations schools were rightly judged to be disproportionate. Israel lost 70 soldiers. For what gain? Yuval Diskin, once head of the Shin Bet security service, told Germany’s Der Spiegel that Israel had turned itself into “an instrument in the hands of Hamas”.

Israel has lost its international audience. When Netanyahu warns about the nuclear threat from Iran, even those who worry deeply about Tehran’s intentions respond with a weary shrug. The warnings are seen as a diversion — an effort to distract from his refusal to accept a Palestinian state rather than a clear-headed assessment of a present danger. This cannot be good for Israel.
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From: _http://www.veteransnewsnow.com/2014/10/19/510714israel-is-losing-its-friends-in-the-world/

Hm, maybe i recognize the pattern from Balkans - in the end NATO intervened militarily on "aggressors"... Question iz:Will Israelis go berserk if international community massively recognizes Palestinian State?
 
Is EU really mulling sanctions on Israel?

According to a report by Israeli newspaper Haaretz on Sunday, the EU’s European External Action Service (EEAS) distributed a confidential document to the EU 28 member states, which contains proposals for imposing sanctions against Tel Aviv should it take any illegal action in the West Bank that “could make the two-state solution impossible.”

Those who received the document were asked to keep the contents secret from Israel, the report added.

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According to the report, the bans proposed in the document include marking products manufactured in the illegal Israeli settlements in EU supermarkets, limiting cooperation with Tel Aviv in various areas, and imposing restrictions on the free-trade agreement with the regime.
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From: _http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/11/17/386353/eu-mulls-imposing-bans-on-israel/
 
And now there's this: 4 killed, 8 injured in attack at Jerusalem synagogue See Sott comment below the article:

Nothing like a well timed "terrorist attack" to remind the world why Israel needs to keep doing what it does, especially when public opinion starts objecting to Israel's policies against the Palestinians.

Well timed also because today:

Spanish lawmakers were set to vote [...] in favor of their government recognizing Palestine as a state in a symbolic move intended to promote peace between the Palestinians and Israel but which has angered the Jewish state.[...]

The non-binding motion, brought forward by the opposition Socialists but expected to be backed by the ruling People's Party (PP) and other groups in the lower house of parliament, echoes similar votes in Britain and Ireland last month.

France is also eyeing such a non-binding resolution soon after Sweden's center-left government took the lead by officially recognizing the state of Palestine within days of taking office last month.
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Not surprisingly, Israel is the one who gains from this "attack".
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So it looks like Ireland is going to recognise the state of Palestine

www.irishtimes.com

Israel criticises Irish move to recognise Palestinian state

Israeli foreign ministry spokesman says ‘such resolutions are not helpful’
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which is sort of weird as considering that Ireland Abstained in it's vote at the UN to investigate Israeli war crimes after the recent
turkey shoot in Palestine
www.irishtimes.com

Irish abstention from UN Gaza vote ‘shameful’

Campaigner says decision ‘disgraceful’ while Israel ambassador criticises rights council
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There was one desisting voice in the discussion former minister for justice Alan Shatter
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Shatter distances himself from acceptance of Palestinian motion

Former minister for justice says he believes move was done to avoid controversy
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"Mr Shatter expressed regret that the Government refrained from tabling amendments to the motion “to better reflect the more sophisticated and nuanced approach being taken to it in the context of conflict resolution’’, as represented particularly in Mr Murphy’s speech. "

this guy got fired because of police corruption, he's dublin born but he's family is jewish so i guess that's where is Loyalty is.

good news none the less
 
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http://www.thejournal.ie/seanad-vote-palestine-1738722-Oct2014/

Cheers
Sean
 
Looks like SOTT posted an RT article on this topic as well. It's about friggin time! If anyone understands the plight of a nation illegally occupied for many years, it's the Irish. That makes them the 2nd EU country and the 135th in the entire globe.

According to The Gaurdian, France is next.

And, of course, the Israelis claimed that Ireland gave "voice to 'statements of hatred and antisemitism directed at Israel in a way which we have not heard before'”. That seems to be their only argument...ever.

This is good news, thanks for posting the link Seaniebawn. :cool2:
 
From RT:

http://rt.com/news/258297-vatican-palestine-state-recognize/

The Vatican has become the latest country to recognize the state of Palestine, after a new treaty was finalized on Wednesday. Unsurprisingly Israel has hit out at the move, saying that it damages prospects for peace in the region.

The treaty, which was agreed, though has yet to be formally signed states the Vatican has switched its diplomatic allegiance from the Palestinian Liberation Organization to the state of Palestine. It was finalized days before the Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas is due to visit Pope Francis.
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Usually the rest of free world follows the holly example... another check in the pattern...
 
Yozilla said:
From RT:

http://rt.com/news/258297-vatican-palestine-state-recognize/

The Vatican has become the latest country to recognize the state of Palestine, after a new treaty was finalized on Wednesday. Unsurprisingly Israel has hit out at the move, saying that it damages prospects for peace in the region.

The treaty, which was agreed, though has yet to be formally signed states the Vatican has switched its diplomatic allegiance from the Palestinian Liberation Organization to the state of Palestine. It was finalized days before the Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas is due to visit Pope Francis.
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Usually the rest of free world follows the holly example... another check in the pattern...
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Yozilla,

Thanks for the interesting news. I am not so sure about how "holy" the Vatican is these days with the pedophilia scandals. And I am not so sure a Jesuit pope has pure motives either. As for the "free world" I am still looking for one.

But, with that said I appreciate your bringing this development to my attention.
 
Am I the only one who wonders about this move, along with similar by all other countries? If one accepts that in reality there is only really one world government - the Anglo-American corporate fascist elite - then all such moves can be perhaps viewed in another light, especially given the Vatican’s role throughout history. I was recently re re-reading Laura & Joe's ‘9/11 - The Ultimate Truth’ in which the sickening plan for creating end game/Armageddon is laid out. It is easy to forget that in and amongst the corporatist mentality lies that other diseased pathocratic partner, monotheistic madness. It has long been part of the 'plan' – the new reality – to manufacture a war in Israel that leads to the final destruction of Israel and the Jews to allow for the Second Coming. If - and its a big if - this is part of the elite’s intensions, then forcing a Palestinian state will most likely lead to violent Israeli counter measures which could involve a 'final solution' to their Palestinian problem, which in itself could lead Muslim countries going to war with Israel etc, etc. Lots of ifs and buts I know but worth a ponder perhaps? Things are never what they seem on the surface when it comes to Game Theory!
 
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