Nothing is as it seems.
Acquiring false knowledge is worse than not acquiring knowledge at all.
False knowledge in the Work may be deadly
But what to do if reading Gurdjieff / Mouravieff is not enough in practical terms? Whom to trust in Work?
OK means zero killed. After taking a cold shower, I decided to write this, starting new topic despite of Laura’s advice to keep all working material in one place as this post is definitely not in frame of M’adventures thread. What follows below is not roses, so mods are free to delete everything. But I have to write this anyway.
When I read Azur’s post with advice to SAO to do stalking
What happened next, Azur’s reply to SAO seemed to me a complete appeasement and in direct emotional contradiction to his/her previous post and logically (to me) I had a gut feeling that his/her previous post / advice in Work should be disregarded (if I will ever find myself in the same/similar situation as SAO I would not follow that advice).
My problem is I don’t know how is possible to critically examine advices in Work given on forum and casschat. In the middle of M’adventures thread I started to realize (may be wrongly) that I couldn’t trust advices and suggestions regarding the Work of members joined in January 2006 and that a long presence on casschat and/or forum doesn’t imply I should blindly follow anything regarding Work coming from senior members. I thought that QFS is a secret laboratory where advanced in esoteric persons who divided essence from personality in themselves and crossed the first threshold are mutually helping each other to advance.
Then, PFR in the middle of M-adventures thread wrote:
AdPop joined in March 2006. But then, he/she wrote
on this thread
Then, there is Frai Jonah, QFS member, who is he/she on forum/ casschat? Can I trust him/her in Work?
There is K.A.H., QFS member, who is he/she on forum/ casschat? Can I trust his/her advices in Work?
Should I trust Richard (person in casschat) advices in Work (not given to me) but I read them carefully.
Should I trust gaelen’s advices in Work? (person on forum)?
Should I trust Craig’s advices in Work?
Then somewhere on forum (I can’t find now where exactly) one forum member, joined like on 1-18-2006 wrote about avatars, that there is a ‘nice selection V for Vendetta avatars for QFS’.
Harrison has V for Vendetta avatar, and his mail is red pill one, so I assume, if he ever will give me advice in Work, I should follow it.
Except Anart and SAO, Iconoclast and Masked Avatar have these V for Vendetta avatars. Should I trust Iconoclast and Masked Avatar advices in Work if they ever will give me one?
For a long time I was mulling writing a post to Work section to ask for advice, but every time after reflection backed off because it was clear that I didn’t use all my internal forces to do everything I can do on my own first. After M’adventures thread I made a staggering for myself conclusion that everything is not as it seems and I should not trust anybody just because they have V avatars or joined on 17-01-2006 or write impressive posts on stalking (in Azur’s case with SAO).
But how to do anything at all in Work without asking an advice from anybody who already lived through that experience?
Now I can’t ask anything regarding the Work as I don’t trust any longer anyone except mods and admins. I would like to trust SAO too. I have an idea whois Atreides, but can i trust his advices regarding the Work if i will ask for one, and he would offer one?
To put it in clear-cut form: if will I ever find a courage to write anything regarding the Work and ask for advice regarding the Work and others will offer their help; I will follow advices of mods and admins on this forum. No matter how literally elaborate and impressive would be advices in the Work from others, I will disregard all of them altogether. Acquiring false knowledge is worse than not acquiring knowledge at all. And mistake in the Work might be deadly.
Mods, you are free to delete the topic now due to its abusive content, but that’s exactly what I think. I apologize to everyone but I won’t make a mistake
Acquiring false knowledge is worse than not acquiring knowledge at all.
False knowledge in the Work may be deadly
But what to do if reading Gurdjieff / Mouravieff is not enough in practical terms? Whom to trust in Work?
OK means zero killed. After taking a cold shower, I decided to write this, starting new topic despite of Laura’s advice to keep all working material in one place as this post is definitely not in frame of M’adventures thread. What follows below is not roses, so mods are free to delete everything. But I have to write this anyway.
When I read Azur’s post with advice to SAO to do stalking
I understood it one-way: senior member (like QFG) is giving a generous advice in Work to listen to and follow.Azur said:But I have a question for you SAO: why were you frustrated and sick by this exchange? Was there something bothering you that needed to be resolved? The resolution of the "thing" has indicators that need to be stalked. Has something tickled your emotional center?
It seems that this minor drama has or could be rather a good thing all in all. If everyone could recall their impressions at every instance (as the posts rolled in and changed aspects), it could be beneficial to see how perception (possibly constraining the full set of possibilities) and programs work hand in hand, on an individual basis.
And it bears examining WHY so many people willingly "paid" energy in seeing where this would go. What was at stake? The initial setup certainly held a well crafted hook, i.e. the "carrot".
What was gained, and what was lost by this series of posts, and by whom? (And here I mean those directly involved and more importantly, the OTHERS, as observers).
What happened next, Azur’s reply to SAO seemed to me a complete appeasement and in direct emotional contradiction to his/her previous post and logically (to me) I had a gut feeling that his/her previous post / advice in Work should be disregarded (if I will ever find myself in the same/similar situation as SAO I would not follow that advice).
My problem is I don’t know how is possible to critically examine advices in Work given on forum and casschat. In the middle of M’adventures thread I started to realize (may be wrongly) that I couldn’t trust advices and suggestions regarding the Work of members joined in January 2006 and that a long presence on casschat and/or forum doesn’t imply I should blindly follow anything regarding Work coming from senior members. I thought that QFS is a secret laboratory where advanced in esoteric persons who divided essence from personality in themselves and crossed the first threshold are mutually helping each other to advance.
Then, PFR in the middle of M-adventures thread wrote:
And later Laura writesPFR said:My, Nina ?? A member of QFS, to boot.
If at least one member of qfs is being ponerised, what the hell is going on – in sense whom should i trust - as I was very carefully reading all posts and trusting advices especially if they regarded the Work, of senior members (all those who joined in January 2006).Laura said:It is clear that knowledge and understanding of others as well as control over the self is completely lacking in Nina and Nima. What makes this incident inexcusable is that these very things were pointed out to Nina and Nima in the past - they were warned. What is more, it was in the context of a different, but similar, situation where an individual with obvious psychological issues was being used by them for their own gain.
AdPop joined in March 2006. But then, he/she wrote
on this thread
This statement had been not rebutted by anyone, so I concluded for myself, if one day AdPop will give me an advice in Work, I will trust him/her.AdPop said:When I reviewed this for the QFG in 2003, the question of plagiarism came up
Then, there is Frai Jonah, QFS member, who is he/she on forum/ casschat? Can I trust him/her in Work?
There is K.A.H., QFS member, who is he/she on forum/ casschat? Can I trust his/her advices in Work?
Should I trust Richard (person in casschat) advices in Work (not given to me) but I read them carefully.
Should I trust gaelen’s advices in Work? (person on forum)?
Should I trust Craig’s advices in Work?
Then somewhere on forum (I can’t find now where exactly) one forum member, joined like on 1-18-2006 wrote about avatars, that there is a ‘nice selection V for Vendetta avatars for QFS’.
Harrison has V for Vendetta avatar, and his mail is red pill one, so I assume, if he ever will give me advice in Work, I should follow it.
Except Anart and SAO, Iconoclast and Masked Avatar have these V for Vendetta avatars. Should I trust Iconoclast and Masked Avatar advices in Work if they ever will give me one?
For a long time I was mulling writing a post to Work section to ask for advice, but every time after reflection backed off because it was clear that I didn’t use all my internal forces to do everything I can do on my own first. After M’adventures thread I made a staggering for myself conclusion that everything is not as it seems and I should not trust anybody just because they have V avatars or joined on 17-01-2006 or write impressive posts on stalking (in Azur’s case with SAO).
But how to do anything at all in Work without asking an advice from anybody who already lived through that experience?
Now I can’t ask anything regarding the Work as I don’t trust any longer anyone except mods and admins. I would like to trust SAO too. I have an idea whois Atreides, but can i trust his advices regarding the Work if i will ask for one, and he would offer one?
To put it in clear-cut form: if will I ever find a courage to write anything regarding the Work and ask for advice regarding the Work and others will offer their help; I will follow advices of mods and admins on this forum. No matter how literally elaborate and impressive would be advices in the Work from others, I will disregard all of them altogether. Acquiring false knowledge is worse than not acquiring knowledge at all. And mistake in the Work might be deadly.
Mods, you are free to delete the topic now due to its abusive content, but that’s exactly what I think. I apologize to everyone but I won’t make a mistake