So, for whatever reason, Untouched did hit close to home enough for me to dissociate...into one of the sex scenes, of course. Without going into a lot of graphic details, my sexual arousal was so hyperstimulated by the scene that was depicted, I was so "into it," that when the couple reached their final climax I was on the edge. When I finished I felt liberated, and after a brief period of rest I felt more vivacious and seated in my body. It was unlike almost all previous sessions doing...that...where I'd come to regard it as a necessary expellation of fluids on par with defecation and felt drained afterwards. So there was that, for what it's worth.
As for the rest of these replies... I'll start here:
Is that really so? In this world, no sex = no life, no creation (what a revelation, lol). You will tell me the aim is to get out of here - of this STS, material, evil world. But reread this:
You seem to be under the impression that I'm totally against sex, whereas I've stated repeatedly that I'm not. I'm against what I consider to be meaningless sex, which is sex that is purely hedonistic or does not transduce higher energies. This is going to make this post very long, but I've collected some of my writings over the years on this topic to give you the context to understand my position on this. In this first post I even allude to my conception of sex in 4D (surprise, I don't think it goes away) and I imagine that the 3D STO version would be similar, just maybe a bit more physical.
Well, I'll throw my two cents into this thread just to get my own personal perspective out there and see what everyone thinks.
I pondered the "total celibacy" thing a lot since I read it over 10 years ago. At the time, I was dealing with the rapid onset of a very potent mechanical sex drive and was trying to figure out what to do with it. Actually I've always had what I consider to be three sex drives. There's the base level one which constantly whispers in my ear, "Sex, sex, sex! Want it! Need it! Gotta have it!" I consider this to be the General Law/Predator's Mind talking and not something that should be given much credence. In fact, it rather annoys me. The second drive is a need to feel close to someone, to not be alone and curl up into their bosom. I consider this level to still be fundamentally mechanical, with perhaps a few higher level things mixed in. The third drive has to do with being able to totally trust someone and have them be able to totally trust you; to be in that ecstatic flow where you can be all that you are and the other person can share all that they are without walls or masks. This drive does not have the same urgency as the other two, and exists more as an ideal than a compulsion.
I decided that if I ever wanted to aspire to anything higher than "dirty" animalistic sex that basically enslaves anyone who partakes in it, drive#1 needed to go. Also, I had read that total celibacy was the ticket to spirituality, so suppression must be the way to go, right? Well, long story short, it didn't really work, and I don't see how anyone could do that long term without totally frying their system. The sex energy is just way too much. After I got more into the Work, I read about the sublimation of sex. My current understanding is that when the magnetic center is perfected, everything can be consciously subordinated to drive#3. It would follow that the desire for sexual relations would drop as it comes more under conscious control, but I don't think it goes to zero.
The thing is all of these drives interpenetrate and have their purpose, and I really can't conceive of a total fulfillment of drive#3 without some form of sexual expression. There is nothing wrong or dirty about trying to find some genuine intimate connection and the sex act is one of the best ways we have to achieve that level of openness if both partners are striving to achieve that polar opposite sort of relationship.
Another point about that answer of "total celibacy" comes in the way the question was asked. It seemed a lot of the lead up to the question had to do with orgasm. Indeed, before I read Cupid's Poisoned Arrow, I thought that sex=orgasm, even if I didn't think it was the be all end all of intimacy. Orgasm is a bit of a different animal, I think, and should really be treated with extreme caution. All of the studies about what it does to the body and how it delivers such a huge high suggests to me at least that it should be generally avoided. However, even on that point I think there is a little flexibility depending on context. Then there is this:
Q: (L) So, you're saying that people get born in 4D?
A: Yes. When did we say otherwise?
Q: (L) Well, you didn't. I was just not sure.
(Chu) Well, with changes in physicality, you'd think people could avoid the normal human birth, with the pain...
A: It's just a bit more intense in some ways.
I think that if you can still get pregnant, it is the result of some form of sex act. I think that people tend to forget that 4D is still a physical density and there must still be biological processes that go on there, even if the emphasis is more on the energetic exchanges rather than physical side of things. I think "as above so below" applies here and it is in error to think that sex just goes away after 3D. Now it most likely is a much more rarified version that we might not recognize from a purely 3D standpoint. I imagined it as some sort of soul fusion where the two energy fields become completely entangled and you have two beings occupying the same space and fully connected to each other's thoughts in the moment. Based on the exchange with Pierre, this ability sort of exists in 3D in potential, but I think that it encounters more problems because the coarser physical nature of reality here creates limitations to the level of integration the energy fields can achieve.
I'm also reminded of a part of Gnosis II where Mouravieff conjectures about the rapid population increase in modern times being a result of all the souls that had incarnated during this cycle wanting to get a shot at experiencing the transition to the next cycle. Obviously this population expansion requires a lot of sex. While I'm not entirely convinced it's true, I'd never thought of it that way and it does make sense. If this transition is the really big show that the Cassiopaeans make it out to be, with the possibility of going to 4D, it would make sense that everyone would try to grab a seat and maximize their potential to evolve from it. A means has to be provided for that depending on your level of density. I think it's an interesting thought experiment in showing how humanity's base behaviors might actually be utilized by higher spiritual principles to achieve a specific aim, at the very least.
I think the total celibacy thing was a little off the mark as Laura hinted at in the beginning of the thread, and/or it was a result of a too narrow understanding of what sex can actually be. Sex as it is commonly practiced is basically the act of possessing and controlling orgasm, and I think that is what we're supposed to be celibate from. I think cutting of all physical intimacy is the artificial creation of a wall that ensures close relationships never get past a certain point. Physical intimacy is a bridge to higher levels of intimacy and even in the next density I believe it still has a paraphysical component. Denying this bridge to whatever more refined form exists in the next density because it's "spiritual" is taking oneself in the opposite direction, I think. If I had the intellectual and emotional rapport with someone, I see no reason not to explore the sexual aspect of it, it's just another layer of bonding. The "it's anti-spiritual" argument just doesn't make any sense to me.
I suppose I should add here that I've never had sex or any remotely intimate experience other than some rather rushed exploratory touching episodes in my teens. So it is all basically conjecture on my part, however from my current level of understanding, I believe what I've said here to be the most accurate interpretation of the place of sex in my life, at least. While sex has had a primarily negative effect on people I observe in my life, in my opinion, I think it can be repurposed and consciously directed to fulfill higher ideals. Perhaps this is how it is supposed be used. If we're supposed to be moving past this density, I believe we're supposed to be discerning how to apply something like sex in different situations, which in itself is neither positive or negative, instead of making broad categorical judgments.
Yes, I am sexually frustrated that I still have to deal with drive #1, but I simply have to indulge it as a simple fact of my biology, and it is often released in low level masturbatory activity; I have no choice. My attitudes towards drive #1 have vacillated a bit between greater or lesser suppression over the years in an attempt to find a way to circumvent it. The most recent experience with the book was a bit of an oddity that I will have to reflect on. Levels 2 and 3 can never be fulfilled by any means because I don't have a partner. This is how I arrive at ideas like "eliminating sex from my reality." I would not expect to go straight to level 3 if I ever had a partner, but it would need to have a mixture of all 3 in order to accomplish what I want to. The books do seem to all somehow get to level 3, but I find the quality of it to be a bit inconsistent. Perhaps when I get to the less sexy ones there will be more comprehensive explanation. I don't find the books useless, I can use certain ideas from the books to envision how I would personally get to level 3, and they hold certain pearls of wisdom regarding how to approach certain practical everyday issues, but the books themselves are just a band-aid and will not solve the underlying problem. As for whipping myself with fresh nettles, there was a time in 2013-2014 where such a course of action would have been seriously considered. I was really trying out that graduate to 4D via total celibacy thing and was failing miserably at purging all sexual thoughts.
The next 3 posts deal with drive#1 and base urges.
Well, as we were discussing on another thread, the rules of the game have been modified by those who have an interest in making the game harder than it needs to be in order to farm people's suffering. One example that relates to this thread in my mind, is the dichotomy between the mating program and the bonding program, as discussed in Cupid's Poisoned Arrow. Why do we have this hardwired desire to be moderately promiscuous and spread our DNA around via "hot sex," which becomes miserable once the hormones burn out, while the only thing that will give us emotional/spiritual satisfaction is a more or less monogamous relationship that is based on bonding sex which goes against the body's normal drives and doesn't produce as many offspring? Assuming humanity was designed by some rational creative force, why couldn't the two be combined in some way that would lead to less suffering? Why isn't bonding sex the default paradigm, with perhaps a little bit of "wildness" thrown in there to make sure the population maintains a certain size without the hormonal crash? It makes no sense to me unless you consider it from a 4DSTS perspective, then it makes perfect sense. It seems our bodies were intentionally designed to keep us within as narrow a range as possible, while maximizing the potential for suffering, which of course feeds the moon rather nicely. To paraphrase the Pleiadans in Bringers of the Dawn, these new creator gods are certainly a lot different from the old ones.
I wonder if this has anything to do with why some religious figures became obsessed with "sins of the flesh" and how the flesh always seems to be at odds with the spirit, where I don't see any reason why it has to be that way. Maybe some shamans in prehistorical times had knowledge that our bodies were created by 4D STS, and if left to their own devices they always serve as an attractor to lock one into that reality. A body that can love and form meaningful relationships is unnecessary to the design function of humanity. Why would 4D STS waste energy on unnecessary features which may in fact serve to undermine their control? In fact, a fickle humanity that is prone to lots of unnecessary strife probably provides better nourishment for them. This is the "secret" that most evolutionists of the intelligent design school cannot bear to face.
On the other hand, the souls retain some vestige of the "lost light" which can cause DNA alterations and that is what the STO beings plug into to remind us that "you can always go home." That is why STS fights so fervently to stamp out any inkling of something higher that does not fit into their materialist paradigm. If the pathway is ever discovered it could undo their intricately planned, hundred thousand year old plan. And this is the context in which I view this whole radical masculinism/radical feminism thing. These are just shockwaves from shells being fired in the thought-war. It really is surreal to watch the alien invasion going on in real time right under everyone's nose.
Yes, I was focusing on the physical race. While I think there are some creators which "predate" Orion STS, these are not very relevant to our current condition. The Orion Union design is unrecognizable from the earlier design, other than maybe a superficial resemblance and a few redundancies 4D STO may have hidden in the code that 4D STS hasn't figured out yet.
The fact that what really should be the most intimate act which serves as a bridge to spiritual potentials and the deepest soul union possible in 3D comes along with this dopamine cycle which actually destroys intimacy preoccupied my mind quite a bit. I thought that whatever consciousness came up with that had to be rather cruel and sadistic. This struck me as one of the 4D STS "improvements" that was added to whatever sexual expression existed in the 3D STO realm and turned it against its original function. Scottie wrote about how the NWO is trying to destroy relations between men and women and functioning genders through post-modernism and covid-19 totalitarianism, why wouldn't 4D STS program something like that into our basic design by sabatoging anything that rises beyond the level of keeping the farm supplied with fresh meat? It is here where the determination between meaningful and meaningless sex is very important. On the other hand, 4D STS is not smart enough to control everything, and part of the role of the books in my mind, at least in potential, was to go in through one of the "back doors" in the program and reconnect some filaments behind the scenes that actually execute the 4D STO coding.
I made that firm decision 7y ago and was at peace with it. I had enough experiences and decided how if I can't find a man who can give back what I'm ready to give, then it was not worth it.
Well, this brings back an interesting memory, considering you're concerned about my fearfulness. The girl whom I accidentally caressed in the hall in my previous post, told me once "I think I know where we're headed, but when I give myself I give all. I love unconditionally and I expect that in return." Now the logic sticklers may notice that it's not unconditional if there's a condition attached, but I actually thought that was a perfectly reasonable request. Still, that was very heavy for an 18 year old. I ended up saying nothing and staring at the ground because I wasn't sure that I could do it. We had gone from talking about aliens, psychic experiences, and dream journeys for fun and as a way of keeping each other company to unconditional love in about 3 months. Shortly after we met, she got on this tangent about me being too disconnected from my feelings and she was going to show me the value of feeling my heart. I thought this was rather odd since she was technically already in a relationship and fought it for awhile, but eventually ended up kind of falling for her regardless. I'd never met anyone in real life I could talk so freely about all of my weird interests who seemed like they could feel everything I was thinking before I articulated it, before or since. She had the electric touch that set me on fire with just the most casual brush, I have never felt anything like that before or since either. Towards the end, the sexual desire was so strong that the desire to be inside her radiated through every cell in my body, and not just in a sexual way. I wanted to do it in a mind melding consciousness fusing way and I saw sex as just a way to get there. I didn't have any idea how I was going to do that. I was an awkward kid who was more uncomfortable with sex than now, and I had no experience articulating feelings I didn't have any experience with before. I knew that after she married her boyfriend we had to end it, and after we parted ways it felt like part of my soul had been ripped out. "Feeling my heart" was what made life worth living, and now it was gone. Thank God that relationship never became sexual and I had that level of intimacy ripped out of me too.
We are here to learn through owning these bodies, our mind and our heart. To experience fully. If you are too afraid to do any part of it, then STS has already won.
That heartbreak was never really resolved. For awhile I thought I could try again with someone else; do it better under better circumstances. The more I learned about relationships and how they usually fall apart, the more I lost hope. Some years later when I was contemplating suicide and taking account of all the things that made life worth living vs not worth living, the outcome of this whole drama unsurprisingly fell on the side of not worth living. I decided that I did not want to commit suicide, but certain adjustments needed to be made. I would rather have no emotions at all than feel that. I put a mental block around the experience and replaced it with a sort of numbness. This brings us more or less to the present day.
It is said that at a certain level of understanding we gain the ability to choose our suffering and this is why I am rather aggressive about pre-screening any potential mates. I've observed too much from watching other people take on non-collinear relationships to risk another heartbreak which I quite possibly won't survive. For awhile I didn't want to meet anyone at all and just hoped it would all go away. The person has to be involved in some version of what we do here, a Castaneda or Marciniak follower would probably be close enough, but I don't have much appetite for taking risks on more or less random people. Then if we had similar ideals and no major lifestyle conflicts, I would give it a chance. Otherwise, things continue on more or less as they always have. I'll survive and there's more important things to worry about.
Are there any circumstances where you could picture yourself in a relationship? If not in this life then maybe in a future life?
Sure, I can fantasize about alternate realities where things are not run by a bunch of NWO psychos, people are more psychic, and you don't have a world where everything is owned by a bunch of lowest common denominator materialists whom you are enslaved to some degree for your very subsistence. That opens lots of doors. Being a rich dukish type with unlimited money and nearly unlimited time to while away opens a door or two, but I don't think money on its own makes a huge difference.
As for the present reality, so many things would have to come together in just the right way that I see the odds as rather long. I seem to have a lot of "needs," and I don't see why I should think to burden someone else with them. If someone wanted to take them on fine, but unless you're just some super altruistic person, why would you? I can deal with my own problems, I don't
have to have anyone else.