Rules of Engagement - non-violation of Free Will

[Chimpazilla]

Hi All, I am contemplating the Law of Freewill and how positive sources like the C's and also RA will tell us many things but they are very careful not to tread on certain topics such as to avoid violating our Free Will which means we must learn certain things for ourselves in order for those lessons to have any meaning. This makes good sense to me. I wonder about the STS side of this equation though. Are there any rules that say they MUST give us truth, somewhere, while still being allowed to present us with lies, and it is up to us to discern? I have heard the phrase "truth in the movies, lies in the news" and this phrase seems accurate when you consider how many movies (of many different types but often sci-fi) seem to be giving us the story of how things really are (such as The Matrix). Do you think the 4D STSs are required to do that, or do they do it to confuse us, or do they do it to mock us? I'd love to hear your thoughts on this!

 

[Rhansen]

I suspect there is no rule that "they MUST give us truth" since that would violate free will OSIT. Also pretty sure that certain bits of 'truth' are indeed STS mocking. I seem to recall a 'law of confusion' being mentioned in the Ra material as well the C's hinting at a similar idea. Whether or not there actually is a 'law of confusion' we have plenty of it to go around.

 

[axj]

From what I understand, going against Free Will has karmic repercussions for STS beings, which they would like to avoid.

This is why they usually present their plans in advance, even if only symbolically, to a large number of people. The Denver airport murals are one example, which millions of people pass every year.

In this way, if people do not reject their plans, it becomes a Free Will choice to go along with what they are doing.

It is probably more complicated than that, but this seems to be the gist of it.

 

[biala84]

non violation of free will for me is for example: when someone needs your help and is asking you, but you are not aware and you are not listening i the same way you are not able to help other side for me in some sense is violation of free will. You can't stand. Another case can be if someon's is not asking and you are trying to to help for example for me also is violayion of free will. Free will is beautiful gift , but we need to understand it... If i know that you choose that lesson and you are going different reality , why i have to be thinking. In some point we are All going to meet again.
Universe creates sts for that we are going to learn who we really want to be... sts or sto? I know they exist, but i don't trust them and they don't have non cent of truth, they exist only to destroy...

 

[Chimpazilla]

From what I understand, going against Free Will has karmic repercussions for STS beings, which they would like to avoid.

This is why they usually present their plans in advance, even if only symbolically, to a large number of people. The Denver airport murals are one example, which millions of people pass every year.

In this way, if people do not reject their plans, it becomes a Free Will choice to go along with what they are doing.

It is probably more complicated than that, but this seems to be the gist of it.

This is exactly what I think they are doing! They are saying "we told you we were going to do this" to us. I just wondered if this was in the "rules" that they had to follow, because it seems like everything else they do is designed to deceive, and the deception seems like a violation of our Free Will, since we are mostly not in a position to comprehend. I know they don't want to totally violate our Free Will, because that nullifies their victory, sort of like burning a steak, it becomes inedible. At least that is how I understand it. It is so terrible because most of us here are like little infants in terms of understanding their "revelations." Kind of like an adult explaining to a baby what he or she is planning to do at work, the child has no concept to understand it.

 

[axj]

The deception part is also kind of tricky if people naively believe what they are told and do not exercise their free will to question or do some research.

So if someone just accepts deception, even though they don't have to, it is a Free Will decision as well.

 

[Chimpazilla]

The deception part is also kind of tricky if people naively believe what they are told and do not exercise their free will to question or do some research.

So if someone just accepts deception, even though they don't have to, it is a Free Will decision as well.

I'm pretty sure this is accurate. It's so hard though, to watch people we know who follow blindly, everything they are told to believe and do (and fear!) and usually they attempt to convince others to do the same. And to know that for most of us, we were that way before, in this lifetime and almost certainly in all the former lifetimes. I guess that is why third density gets repeated so many times. I can only hope that in fourth density, we go in with a much better clue to all this so we don't waste nearly as much "time" getting our bearings about what's going on. My biggest complaint about third density isn't the enormous suffering, it's the near-total lack of KNOWLEDGE that I find the most distressing!

 

[Nienna]

Regarding free will and why we are being abducted even though we don't want to be, here's a part of a very long session that discusses some of it:

Session 11 March 1995

Q: (L) Well, I don't know. Can you tell us a little bit about how these illusions are enforced on us, how they are perceived by us?

A: If someone opens a door, and behind it you see a pot of gold, do you worry whether there is a poisonous snake behind the door hidden from view, before you reach for the pot of gold?

Q: (L) What does the gold represent?

A: Temptation to limitation.

Q: (L) What does the door represent?

A: Opening for limitation.

Q: (L) Was limitation presented as a pot of gold when, in fact, it was not? Was this a trick?

A: What is snake?

Q: (T) The Lizards? (J) Danger. (L) Okay, who opened the door. (J) We did. (T) No, what is the snake.

A: No.

Q: (L) Does that mean we did not open the door?

A: Yes.

Q: (T) Who opened the door?

A: Lizards.

Q: (L) So, we were, literally... (T) Who was the snake? (J) The Lizards, they are danger...

A: No!

Q: (L) Who was the snake?

A: Result of giving into temptation without caution, i.e. leaping before looking.

Q: (J) So we should exercise caution. (T) Okay, what was the snake? (J) The result of giving into temptation. The snake represents the classic... (L) So what you are saying to us is that the story of the temptation in Eden was the story of Humankind being led into this reality as a result of being tempted. So, the eating of the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil was...

A: Giving into temptation.

Q: (L) And this was a trick...

A: No! Tricks don't exist!

Q: (L) There is an issue here. (T) Okay, no trick, a trap?

A: No! Traps don't exist either. Free will could not be abridged if you had not obliged.

Q: (T) Now wait a minute. I am losing the whole train here. What were we before the "Fall?"

A: 3rd density STO.

Q: (T) Didn't you tell us that 3rd density beings could not be STO? (L) No. They said there are 3rd density STO beings. (T) We are STS at this point because of what happened then?

A: Yes.

Q: (T) Okay, now, we were STO at that time. The Lizards opened the door, we are using this as an allegory, I guess, the Lizards opened the door and showed us a pot of gold hoping that we would reach in for the pot, or walk through the door, when they were waiting for us on the other side in order to take us over in some way. Am I on the right track?

A: Hoping is incorrect idea.

Q: (T) Okay, what was it they were trying to do by enticing us?

A: Trying is incorrect idea, continue to probe for learning opportunity.

Q: (T) We were 3rd density STO at this time. Was this after the battle that had transpired? In other words, were we, as a 3rd density race, literally on our own at that point, as opposed to before?

A: Was battle.

Q: (L) The battle was in us?

A: Through you.

Q: (T) The battle was through us as to whether we would walk through this doorway... (L) The battle was fought through us, we were literally the battleground. (T) I got that, but I want to get back to this analogy to make sure where we are in the overall picture. The battle was going on when the door was opened. Was the battle over whether or not we walked through that door?

A: Close.

Q: (T) Okay, we were STO at that point. You have said before that on this density we have the choice of being STS or STO.

A: Oh Terry, the battle is always there, it's "when" you choose that counts!

Q: (T) Okay, so we are still looking at that pot of gold? What I am trying to find out is... there is something important here... (L) Let's back up and ask it this way: Prior to this event, humankind was or was not...

A: Prior to?

Q: (L) Okay, not prior. But, we are still talking about somewhat of a historical event in a sense even though it is all simultaneous. This event, somewhere on the cycle, was humankind all one soul, so to speak...

A: Backsliding.

Q: (T) We are moving backwards here. Okay, let's ask it this way...

A: Closer. You were with the thought waves, perhaps better to defer to him for this one.

Q: (L) Okay, I'll shut up. Carry on Terry. (T) I need all the help I can get. (L) It's a tough one. (T) This must tie into why the Lizards and other aliens keep telling people that they have given their consent for abduction and so forth. We were STO and now we are STS. (J) Yeah, right.

A: Yes, continue.

Q: (T) We are working with the analogy. The gold was an illusion. The gold was not what we perceived it to be. It was a temptation that was given to us as STO beings on 3rd density. The door was opened by the Lizards.

A: No temptation, it was always there. Remember Dorothy and the Ruby slippers?

Q: (T) Okay, we were STO at that time, before we stepped through. We didn't have to step through. (F) But, wait a minute now, they keep saying, correct me if I am wrong, every time Terry says: "They tried to get us through..." (L) They said no... (F) It was always there. (J) Free will could not be abridged if you had not obliged. (T) They didn't do anything but open the door. The Lizards opened the door and let us decide whether we were going to go through or not. (J) I still think the key is that we obliged by stepping through the door... (T) By our stepping through this door that the Lizards conveniently provided for us without actually doing anything to us, just opening it and showing it to us...

A: Provided? ! ?

Q: (L) They didn't provide it... (J) It always existed... (T) It's always there.... (J) It's there now... (T) The Lizards...

A: Yes, think of the Ruby slippers. What did Glenda tell Dorothy???

Q: (J) You can always go home. (L) You have always had the power to go home...

A: Yes.

Q: (L) So, we always have the power to return to being STO? Even in 3rd density?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) How does a 3rd density STO being conduct their life?

A: Discover.

Q: (T) I want to go back to the analogy of the door. The door has always been there. The temptation has always been there... (J) Is there... (T) Has, is, will be... is always.

A: "When" you went for the gold, you said "Hello" to the Lizards and all that that implies.

Q: (T) Okay, that was what I was trying to get at. You said that the Lizards, or the forces of STS opened the door.

A: No. Shouldn't say opened. We said "opened" only to introduce you to the concept, so that you would understand.

Q: (L) So, let's let go of the part that somebody "opened" the door. (T) The door was always there and always open. I was just trying to work with the analogy. So, the concept is that, as STO beings we had the choice of either going for the gold or not. By going for the gold, we became STS beings because going for the gold was STS.

A: Yes.

Q: (T) And, in doing so, we ended up aligning ourselves with the 4th density Lizard Beings...

A: Yes.

Q: (T) Because they are 4th density beings and they have a lot more abilities than we at 3rd density...

A: You used to be aligned with 4th density STO.

Q: (T) And we were 3rd density STO. But, by going for the gold we aligned ourselves with 4th density STS.

A: Yes.

Q: (T) And by doing so we gave 4th density STS permission to do whatever they wish with us?

A: Close.

Q: (T) So, when they tell us that we gave them permission to abduct us, it is this they are referring to?

A: Close.

Q: (J) Go back to what they said before: "Free will could not be abridged if you had not obliged." (T) We, as the human race, used our free will to switch from STO to STS. (L) So, at some level we have chosen the mess we are in and that is the Super Ancient Legend of the Fallen Angel, Lucifer. That is us. We fell by falling into that door, so to speak, going after the pot of gold, and when we fell through the door, the serpent bit us!

A: But this is a repeating syndrome.

Q: (L) Is it a repeating syndrome just for the human race or is it a repeating syndrome throughout all of creation?

A: It is the latter.

 

[Color]

I interpret it in the terms of practicality and efficiency. If I come up to you and tell you a complete lie, you may find it hard to believe and probably do a check up on some 'facts' behind it. But, if I come up with a story consistent of some easily provable facts and then add a few lies in it, or just give to you redacted facts and put my own, false spin on it - hopefully & most likely you would not dig too deep and would just buy my story as the truth. It works the best so it is how it's done, imho.

 

[Mandatory Intellectomy]

If there is free will, then, logically, nobody HAS TO do anything. There's no "rule" forcing anybody to do anything. But any action has consequences, and everyone generally tries to avoid consequences that aren't beneficial to them.

So the key element here would probably be karma. One thing is how it really works, and that would require a long debate and I don't have the answers. Another thing is what any individual believes about how it works. The actions of the elite are not necessarily based on how things are but rather on how they believe things to be.

I presume in 4D it's understood how things really work. Whether people at the top of 3D have the same understanding and whether their 4D overlords would tell them is unclear, I think. 4D STS probably "use" 3D STS as much as 3D STS use us.

We had a discussion about this a while ago in the Corona thread. I think it started with this post:

Coronavirus Pandemic: Apocalypse Now! Or exaggerated scare story?

How weird is this? https://www.cnet.com/news/how-elon-musk-pronounces-x-ae-a-12-his-new-sons-name/ In order to not make this thread one big sandbox with all kinds of subjects, please post only things that are related to the subject here. Yes, in a round about way we can fit most subjects into...

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Then you'll have to follow for a few pages and filter out all the irrelevant posts, but it was exactly the kind of discussion you started here, so check it out.

I don't think we can say for sure whether showing us clues in movies really makes much difference for the PTB in any existential sense. They may do it to get a kick out of it, they may do it because it's conditioning and it makes things easier, and they may do it because they believe they should, for whatever reason. Or all of the above.

At any rate, I don't think there's any strict "rule" for this. The question is what exactly the consequences are in the karmic department, and that I can't tell you.

Since you're asking about STS, I think the general idea there is to do things in ways that will benefit oneself the most, and in that regard I think Color's answer about practicality is highly relevant.

Also I suspect most 3D STS feel like they're above "having to" do anything. They seem to generally be under the delusion that they can somehow trick everyone, including the Universe itself. So I doubt they do anything because they think they 'must'. If they do something, it's likely because they believe it will bring them the best results, rules be damned. (I mean, notice how they spend their whole lives breaking rules that they had created for others.)

I also don't think that showing something in a movie would actually do much in terms of any cosmic "rules". Like, if I show you a movie in which I kill you, and you do nothing, does that really translate into a free pass for me to kill you because you "agree" with it? Does it make sense to you that this is how the Universe works? Do I avoid karma just because I've shown you something that you may not even have understood? (Like most people don't understand the symbolism in movies.)

I don't think this makes sense, so I'm more inclined to think it's about conditioning and making fun of us. Some people clearly believe that the elite "has to" do these things, but the only evidence I've ever seen for that is that "some people believe that the elite has to do these things". I've never seen anybody support this claim with anything other than speculation.

Looking at it from yet another perspective, does anybody really believe that if the PTB didn't put clues into movies, they "couldn't" do what they're doing? What would stop them exactly?

 

[Renaissance]

Hi All, I am contemplating the Law of Freewill and how positive sources like the C's and also RA will tell us many things but they are very careful not to tread on certain topics such as to avoid violating our Free Will which means we must learn certain things for ourselves in order for those lessons to have any meaning. This makes good sense to me. I wonder about the STS side of this equation though. Are there any rules that say they MUST give us truth, somewhere, while still being allowed to present us with lies, and it is up to us to discern? I have heard the phrase "truth in the movies, lies in the news" and this phrase seems accurate when you consider how many movies (of many different types but often sci-fi) seem to be giving us the story of how things really are (such as The Matrix). Do you think the 4D STSs are required to do that, or do they do it to confuse us, or do they do it to mock us? I'd love to hear your thoughts on this!

STS beings utilize truth and lies to serve the self and that can play out in any manner of ways. Have you read the Wave series? If not, it provides a full context to the sessions as well as lots of material that explore this question and related topics quite deeply. There's also the Cassiopaea Forum Reading Workshops which are currently discussing the Wave series using video chats on Saturdays.

 

[genero81]

Free will is a fundamental 'law' of creation. STS seeks to subsume other wills to it's own. Trying to force other's will to one's own will would take an impossible amount of energy. Tricking them into submitting their will to one's own is therefore the most efficient means of accomplishing that. This is why "knowledge protects." It's up to each individual "unit of consciousness" to know when it's appropriate to submit one's will, to a teacher, for example. And when one is being had. OSIT

 

[MirAd]

I also have the feeling that STS needs to tell us about the things they'll do to us, because of basic law in universe, that of Free will. For some reason, they cannot keep everything as total secret. But they wrap it up in some lies, so at the same time free will is abriged and majority of people obliged even if they don't know what is going on.

Look at the COVID situation. They did, sort of, announced in advance plans for plandemic with Event 201.

 

[mkrnhr]

There is also the situation when someone who lies tells also the truth to cover the bases and shift the blame in case they're exposed. Sometimes it appears in the media. What they're sure nobody's able to uncover, they lie about it as if it were the absolute truth. In case there is a possibility of future exposure, they would introduce a disclaimer in fine letters. That's why there are so many vague references to vague sources like "scientists say that", "according to unnamed intelligence sources" and so on. Also, most people lie to themselves first before presenting their lies as truth, beside the fact that a lie is more convincing if sandwitched between some irrelevent truths.

 

[axj]

I don't think this makes sense, so I'm more inclined to think it's about conditioning and making fun of us. Some people clearly believe that the elite "has to" do these things, but the only evidence I've ever seen for that is that "some people believe that the elite has to do these things". I've never seen anybody support this claim with anything other than speculation.

I think conditioning is a big part of it. First you allow yourself to get conditioned (free will) and then when the time comes and they implement what was "announced", then the conditioning also makes it more likely that you will go along with it (again free will).

Regarding karma, here are a few helpful parts from the sessions:

95-08-12
Q: (L) Regarding my present living conditions, I would like to know if this is karmic?
A: All difficulties in personal life are karmic in one way or another. Especially those involving interactions with other soul beings. And the closer the interactions, the more karmic they are. This you already know.
Q: (L) Well, the difficult thing is to know what is the best thing to do.
A: Learning images is the process that is ongoing throughout all existence, and is achieved by one action or another. Any and all actions, any and all possible actions, any and all directions of actions facilitate continued learning. Therefore, it is not possible in the ultimate sense, to make mistakes. But, one must experience whatever is karmic to its full extent. The choices made reflect choices made prior to entering the physical plane of third density, combined with the opportunities that present themselves with the variability of reality in its fluid state. Therefore, the decisions to be made will present themselves when they are to be made, and it is only one's ability to accept interpretation objectively that determines whether the learning process will deliver greater or lesser degrees of pain.
Q: (L) Why does learning have to be painful?
A: It doesn't.
Q: (L) Well, it seems that it invariably is for me.
A: That is according to the perceptions of the experiencer, not according to any absolute criteria.

96-06-29
A: No. It is like this: After you have completed all your lessons in "third grade," where do you go?
Q: (L) So, it is a question of...
A: Answer, please.
Q: (L) You go to fourth grade.
A: Okay, now, do you have to already be in 4th grade in order to be allowed to go there? Answer.
Q: (L) No. But you have to know all the 3rd density things...
A: Yes. More apropos: you have to have learned all of the lessons.
Q: (L) What kind of lessons are we talking about here?
A: Karmic and simple understandings.
Q: (L) What are the key elements of these understandings, and are they fairly universal?
A: They are universal.
Q: (L) What are they?
A: We cannot tell you that.
Q: (L) Do they have to do with discovering the MEANINGS of the symbology of 3rd density existence, seeing behind the veil... and reacting to things according to choice? Giving each thing or person or event its due?
A: Okay. But you cannot force the issue. When you have learned, you have learned!
Q: (L) I just want to make sure that I am doing the most I can do. I don't want to have to come back to 3rd density. If I can accelerate things a little...
A: You cannot, so just enjoy the ride. Learning is fun!
Q: (L) Now, you told me research and meditate upon unstable gravity waves. And, that once I understood this, quantum physics would be perfectly clear to me, and basically everything would be perfectly clear. Now, I have been struggling with this...
A: That is just the point, Laura! When it is a struggle, you are not learning. So stop struggling and meditate. i.e. enjoy the ride.

In other sessions, it is mentioned that groups of people who acted against the free will of others in the past now experience karmic difficulties. Which is what I think the "smarter" STS groups want to avoid - this sort of karmic role reversal.