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Russia Begins Operations in Syria: End Game for the US Empire?
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The installation of "al-Julani" as "President of Syria" was always going to end in disaster, and perhaps that was the point. Or at least, it was just a temporary ploy, because the main goal, pursued at least by Israel, is to "balkanize" Syria into separate "states", making it more easily controllable. Israel is currently using the justification of "protecting the Druze" in Southern Syria to attack the pseudo regime and increase the chances of Balkanization. That's the short version.
They're not so much puppets as they are tools. They've achieved regime change using these tools, in part. Of course, the Israeli government have nothing but contempt for these people. They're ethno- supremacist psychopaths. In order to protect the Druze from HTS forces and maintain their national security, they will expand the 'buffer zone' which they have established in the Golan. They just needed a pretext to occupy more of their neighbours' lands, just a veneer of credibility.
Nobody should be surprised about any of this. The chaos that emerged from the failed Syrian state will be fully exploited, as was always the intention.
Alreadyin4thDensity Love
Jedi Master
How can you know that when story is still not over ? Ahmed Al Shara is still president of Syria and how can you claim that his "installation" was always going to end in disaster when story is still not over ? It's not like he is not president for 10 years already and you can look back at the past from the distance and make your conclusion ?
Yes Israel wants weak and destroyed Syria but Syria or better to say "assad regime" was going to be destroyed anyway because it was corrupt and criminal regime dominated by Alawite sect (or at least wealthy and powerful individuals in Alawite sect), especially in military in country where over 70% of population are Sunni Muslims located in the MENA region where perhaps 90% pf population are Sunni Muslims ruled and dominated by similarly corrupt and criminal regimes whether it is Sisi in Egypt or Salman in Saudi Arabia or Zayed in UAE.
And what happened in Syria in 2011 and forward as well as in Tunis, Libya, Egypt, Yemen and with lesser extent in other Arabic countries was caused and ignited by powers and energies that likely originate beyond this planet.
Same energies and powers that will likely cause destruction of Israel by May/June 2026 perhaps earlier and same ones that will likely cause civil war in USA in next 8 years and likely it's destruction.
I am not talking about 4D STS.
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It sounds like for some reason you're quite invested in a specific outcome and timeline of events. Wouldn't it be better to be open to the possible alternatives? More importantly, to pay attention to the reality of the present?
Whatever you think about the Assad regime, it should be considered in its larger geopolitical context. It was a stabilising force, the people behind its overthrow have all in their own ways contributed to destabilising the region. The regime change has already been a disaster, opening the airspace for Israeli attacks on Iran, leading to pogroms against Alawites and Druze etc. Often filmed by the Takfirist nutjobs themselves, with the 'authorities' asking them not to broadcast their crimes. It will likely get worse. Even if the plan was a stable, free market Western-aligned country (which could be argued is a stabilising force of a different kind) it looks like more chaos is the result. Maybe that will change, we also have to remain open to that possibility.
I don't think anyone here would deny the likelihood that such events were inspired by powers and energies beyond the visible human ones. It serves their agenda well - chaos, suffering and fear.
Alreadyin4thDensity Love
Jedi Master
Assad regime couldn't be stabilizing force because it was minority regime(Alawites were 10-15% of population while Sunni Muslims were 70-80% before 2011.), dominated by one sect, especially in high positions in military and certainly many in business. It was corrupt and employed criminal and brutal methods to keep it's power even before Syrian revolution.
How can such regime be considered stabilizing force when by it's very nature is unstable and can explode and divide country just like it did in 2011 and onwards.
Regime change in Syria did not open space for Israelis because Syria had weak air defense . Israel had basically had air superiority in latest war with Iran and they probably did not lose even F 35, if they did even one please show me evidence, Iranians would certainly be more than happy to show it just like they did show Israeli drones.
Now you can compare Syrian and Iranian military and if Israel had air superiority (and probably did not lose even 1 airplane) over Iran which has so many times stronger military than Syrian had even before revolution you can conclude that asad regime would not be any obstacle for Israeli attacks against Iran.
Massacres against Alawites did occur before few months after they staged military uprising on the coast and they were crushed. They were committed by many Syrian soldiers and I do not approve it but I at least understand it after what assad criminal regime did to Sunni Muslims bombing them and massacring during the war.
Attacks against Druze before few days started because As Suwayda Governorate is ruled by Druze gangs and military formations who are not part of the Syrian military and are widely involved in criminal activities and drug trafficking.
Please tell me what happened after Catalonia made independence referendum in Spain in 2017 ? Why did not Spanish state allowed Catalonia to be outside of Spanish law, ruled by gangs and criminals ?
You see that is way Syria also wats to establish control over all of it's territory.
For example, imagine Provence region separates from France and starts to be ruled by criminal gangs, and France attempts to bring it in order and Italy starts bombing ministry of defence in Paris as well as Versailles palace and starts to call Macron regime terrorist regime and French people outside Provence terrorists.
Would it be justified ?
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dredger
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I can't help to react to what you wrote.
On a scale, any occidental country is by far more corrupted than what you allegate regarding Syria (except hungria and maybe a few other occidental countries, but only a few)
Did Assad forced his population to be injected (only 39% received a first dose and +/- 5% a second one)
Did Assad brough tons of migrant to get rid of his population ?
Was he also crushing its citizens with ever-increasing taxes and freedom-destroying laws?
Just these 3 things, and above all the 2 first ones, put our countries, and by far, quite higer on the scale of corruption, betrayal of a whole population, hidden mass murderring and so on. I do not much follow what happened to Syria, just the headlines, but I Syria was roughly a stable country, and I simply wonder why you do not first focus on the corruption of the occidental countries than trying to justify what was clearly one more regime change piloted by Israel and his minions ? In comparison, what you focus on are details, in the meantime, the stability of the country went abruplty down since this new false president, ex headchopper, was put at this position, and that's a fact.
Alreadyin4thDensity Love
Jedi Master
It's really funny, western countries are far less corrupt than most of the Slavic countries especially in the south, from Slovenia to Bulgaria, with Slovenia being the least and Bulgaria perhaps the most.
Generally when you start from north with Norway and going south, the more south you go it's more corrupt, states in the Balkans are even good when you compare them to North African - Middle East - Sahel countires.
People have way different mentality than people in the west, genes and climate what can I say, unless you are from the south you may not understand it.
Asad did not bring migrants because he did not need them, Arabs have high fertility rates and Syria was relatively poor state, migrants usually go into wealthy countries.
When it comes to freedom in Arab dictatorships from Sisi in Egypt to Zayed and Salman in UAE and Saudi Arabia, it is boring to talk about that really, everything is pretty much clear.
With Russian involvement it was. Larger geopolitical context.
Because the destabilising elements were largely introduced by those pursuing regime change.
Russian air defence, now mostly gone. Israel used the Syrian and Caspian routes to attack Iran, and only had air superiority over part of Western Iran.
Illogical, see above
Who benefits from these divisions? If religious extremists with a background in terrorism come to power, is it likely to improve things stability wise?
Different situation. Depends on the means used against them. Massacres and ritual humiliation would not be justified.
Alreadyin4thDensity Love
Jedi Master
I politely disagree.
Russia never defended Syrian sovereignty with it's own air defense against Israeli attacks which are happening since 2017-2018 on Iranian-Hezbolah targets.
Israel targeted where it wanted in Iran, from Tabriz to Teheran to Isfahan to Khuzestan region.
Iraq never attempted to confront Israeli attacks on Iran over it's territory.
Man who is freedom fighter for one is terrorist for another. From British perspective those who started American war for independence in 18th century could be called terrorists, but perhaps they really are, they really became terrorists considering the amount of terror and death USA caused in 20th and 21st century.
USA armed forces, Israeli armed forces, Mossad, CIA and so on are bigger terrorists and murderers than Al Qaeda and HTS will ever be perhaps.
And again what is religious extremism, what you maybe call religious extremism (woman wearing hijab, cutting of hand for theft, stoning for adultery) is still considered quite normal from Jakarta to Casablanca, even though most of these countries do not implement Sharia since a looong time, people are Muslims and they consider these things normal and part of their daily lives.
Massacres and humiliation is hard to justify but can be understood when party which is committing massacres was previously massacred by that same party.
It's not like Druze are not committing massacres and killings against Sunni Muslims.
The former group arm, train and fund groups like the latter. You're missing my point entirely, which is to consider the larger context. Making comments like this:
No it didn't. Almost as if it had been neutralised beforehand by someone, for some reason. Perhaps someone with a wider agenda, involving the whole region.
Alreadyin4thDensity Love
Jedi Master
Well, what I think is that things may very soon go down for a lot of Arab dictators including Salman, Zayed, Sisi, Abulah from Jordan etc. unfortunate thing is that many of them may escape by airplanes somewhere but removing them from power is not small thing either for the peoples from the Middle east.
In the end what is really achieved if Netanyahu and Israel are destroyed and Arab dictators remain in power, of course destruction of Israel today is not a small thing but to achieve greater freedom for the peoples of Middle east Arab dictatorships must be destroyed, I can hardly see any other way for long term peace and prosperity in MENA region + Sahel.
In the end what is really achieved if Netanyahu and Israel are destroyed and Arab dictators remain in power, of course destruction of Israel today is not a small thing but to achieve greater freedom for the peoples of Middle east Arab dictatorships must be destroyed, I can hardly see any other way for long term peace and prosperity in MENA region + Sahel.
Alreadyin4thDensity Love
Jedi Master
#SonDakikaİsrail destekli Dürzi militanların Süveyda'da Sünni Bedevi kabilelerine karşı gerçekleştirdiği saha tasfiyeleri. İlk raporlara göre militanlar aralarında kadın ve çocuğun da bulunduğu en az 100 kişiyi katletti.
#BreakingNewsField executions carried out by the Israeli backed Druze militants against Sunni Bedouin tribes in Suwayda. Initial reports say that at least 100 people including women and children were killed.
#BreakingNewsField executions carried out by the Israeli backed Druze militants against Sunni Bedouin tribes in Suwayda. Initial reports say that at least 100 people including women and children were killed.
Alreadyin4thDensity Love
Jedi Master
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Southern Syria territory control map
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