Russia, China veto UN Security Council resolution on Syria

[bngenoh]

Yeah, it looks like SOTT's focus on the really important issues has got the PTB absolutely frothing at the mouth! I was strongly in favor of this change of focus because it was easily evident that these were actually the important issues. As Laura mentioned, it is really nice to be able to tell from the 'feedback' that we are on the right track! Doesn't always make things any easier though...

No, it doesn't in fact, it makes things much harder (speaking only from my experience & observations), but i guess they don't call it an adventure for nothing.

 

[mcb]

...And I am really surprise that the french do have a special department or whatever for "cults monitoring", gosh, that is the weirdest thing I thought I was going to hear about our neighbours...

I am not surprised -- all I have to do is think back to the 1995 killings and related events. It makes sense up to a point. Have you seen this SOTT link?

 

[Yozilla]

fully agree. And I am really surprise that the french do have a special department or whatever for "cults monitoring", gosh, that is the weirdest thing I thought I was going to hear about our neighbours. But again, we live in weird times, I guess that there may exist something similar here in Spain that we are simply not aware of.

French authorities take this "Contra-Cult" issue VERY seriously:

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/8413846/france-labels-scientology-a-fraud

 

[katsung47]

A super power tries to unify the world under its rule in the name of "democracy". It accuse those disobedient countries as "dictatorship" and starts war on them though those wars killed much more civilians. When they beat the drum on "Syria troops kill its own people", they never mention what they had done to the Mid-east people.

US said Saddam was a dictator and activated a war on Iraq. As a result, Islamic extremists control Iraq and Iraq Christian suffered severe persecution. They escaped to Syria. Now US says Assad is a dictator and ..... Poor Christians, where will they go this time?

The price of regime change
By David Warren, Ottawa Citizen

There are millions of Christians in Syria, who probably have the Russians and Chinese to thank that they may live there a little longer. The Security Council vetoes, a fortnight ago, on a resolution calling upon Syria's dictator to step down, and supporting an Arab-sponsored plan to "end the violence," put paid to any immediate prospect of western intervention.

The outrage expressed by Hillary Clinton, William Hague, and other western foreign ministers, probably concealed a little relief, for the vetoes provided the excuse they needed to avoid the issue, while continuing to posture about "humanitarianism" and "democracy."
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Christians were as common in Syria as in Egypt, before their numbers were immensely swelled by refugees from Iraq - well over a million fleeing up the Euphrates River valley, from anti-Christian persecution by Iraq's Islamists. By now, there could be more than four million Christians within Syria's borders.

When the Assad regime falls, it will be open season on them, on the Alawites, and all the other minorities. Granted, Assad is a monster who has earned an ugly fate. But at what expense should we indulge the fleeting satisfaction of deposing him?


Read more: http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/price+regime+change/6173293/story.html
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[bngenoh]

When the Assad regime falls, it will be open season on them, on the Alawites, and all the other minorities. Granted, Assad is a monster who has earned an ugly fate. But at what expense should we indulge the fleeting satisfaction of deposing him?

Propaganda!

"Aren't we so pious and true," i mean we know what will happen if or rather when we do this, but he is a "monster" so we have to do it.

Classic "logic" of a psychopathological deviant(s).

 

[SeekinTruth]

When the Assad regime falls, it will be open season on them, on the Alawites, and all the other minorities. Granted, Assad is a monster who has earned an ugly fate. But at what expense should we indulge the fleeting satisfaction of deposing him?

Propaganda!

"Aren't we so pious and true," i mean we know what will happen if or rather when we do this, but he is a "monster" so we have to do it.

Classic "logic" of a psychopathological deviant(s).

Yup, that's my take too. "Granted, Assad is a monster who has earned an ugly fate." This is a setup for pathological manipulation / exploitation.

 

[David Topi]

I do not even think there is anyone on those kind of power positions, who is not a "monster".
Possibly any souled person, working for the "good" of humanity from a power position, would be eaten in two days by the rest of their "comrades".

 

[Mr Meowgi]

...And I am really surprise that the french do have a special department or whatever for "cults monitoring", gosh, that is the weirdest thing I thought I was going to hear about our neighbours...

America has cult monitoring as well. Look at the Branch Davidians, Ruby ridge and the FBI infiltration of biker gangs/ city gangs. All over the world we are being cultivated like sheep. The article yesterday on Sott.net. FB and Googleee tailoring our lives for us. My friend could not find me when he was looking for me on FB. I had to give him my URL so he could make a friends request. Mine did not go thru on his page. He is a Mormon, irrelevant in my mind. I served with him in the military. I found the whole thing outrageous. I did try the see what results thing with my wife and we both had different outcomes on one of the major search engines. It is just disgusting!!

 

[katsung47]

When the Assad regime falls, it will be open season on them, on the Alawites, and all the other minorities. Granted, Assad is a monster who has earned an ugly fate. But at what expense should we indulge the fleeting satisfaction of deposing him?

Propaganda!

"Aren't we so pious and true," i mean we know what will happen if or rather when we do this, but he is a "monster" so we have to do it.

Classic "logic" of a psychopathological deviant(s).

Who propaganda here? Do you know what Iraq is now after US' withdraw? Did you know what would have happen before US' invasion?

Iraq: Worse for Christians Now Than under Saddam Hussein

Michael Ireland, Chief Correspondent, ASSIST News Service
Tuesday, July 01, 2008

July 2, 2008

BAGHDAD (ANS) -- The Reverend Canon Andrew White, affectionately known as The Vicar of Baghdad, says the situation for Christians in Iraq is "clearly worse" than under the Saddam Hussein regime, toppled by US and Coalition forces in 2003.

In a segment of the CBS news program 60 Minutes, originally broadcast on Dec. 2, 2007, updated June 26 and aired on June 29, 2008, correspondent Scott Pelley asked Canon White: "You were here during Saddam’s reign. And now after. Which was better? Which was worse?"

"The situation now is clearly worse” than under Saddam, White replied.

"There’s no comparison between Iraq now and then," he told Pelley. "Things are the most difficult they have ever been for Christians. Probably ever in history. They’ve never known it like now."

_http://www.crosswalk.com/news/religion-today/iraq-worse-for-christians-now-than-under-saddam-hussein-11578523.html

Raymond Ibrahim: "Christian life in Iraq has been a living hell ever since U.S. forces ousted the late Saddam Hussein in 2003"

In "The Silent Extermination of Iraq's 'Christian Dogs,'" our friend Raymond Ibrahim in FrontPage (via RaymondIbrahim.com), April 19, discusses the rapid deterioration of the situation of Christians in Iraq -- while the world yawns:

Last week an Iraqi Muslim scholar issued a fatwa that, among other barbarities, asserts that "it is permissible to spill the blood of Iraqi Christians." Inciting as the fatwa is, it is also redundant. While last October's Baghdad church attack which killed some sixty Christians is widely known—actually receiving some MSM coverage—the fact is, Christian life in Iraq has been a living hell ever since U.S. forces ousted the late Saddam Hussein in 2003.

_http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/04/raymond-ibrahim-christian-life-in-iraq-has-been-a-living-hell-ever-since-us-forces-ousted-the-late-s.html

Mod: desactivated links.

 

[mkrnhr]

Not only Christians, but the whole population suffers: Sunni, Shi'a, Christians, Jews, atheists, etc. The only ones to profit from wars are the psychopaths in charge.

 

[SeekinTruth]

Not only Christians, but the whole population suffers: Sunni, Shi'a, Christians, Jews, atheists, etc. The only ones to profit from wars are the psychopaths in charge.

Exactly. These are all the games of the Pathocrats -- divide and rule, katsung47. Isn't it telling that these conditions didn't exist until Iraq was invaded and all the "special ops" and private mercenary psychopaths, etc. started stirring up and manipulating all these tensions and conflicts with the help of local pathological types and mercenaries, etc. (and similar circumstances in Libya, and elsewhere and possibly Syria, etc. in the future)? And the sources you linked are (e.g. _jihadwatch) are VERY questionable -- i.e. disinfo / propaganda.

 

[bngenoh]

When the Assad regime falls, it will be open season on them, on the Alawites, and all the other minorities. Granted, Assad is a monster who has earned an ugly fate. But at what expense should we indulge the fleeting satisfaction of deposing him?

Propaganda!

"Aren't we so pious and true," i mean we know what will happen if or rather when we do this, but he is a "monster" so we have to do it.

Classic "logic" of a psychopathological deviant(s).

Who propaganda here? Do you know what Iraq is now after US' withdraw? Did you know what would have happen before US' invasion?

Hi katsung47,

Propaganda, is defined as:

1. Information, ideas, or rumors deliberately spread widely to help or harm a person, group, movement, institution, nation, etc.
2. The deliberate spreading of such information, rumors, etc.
3. The particular doctrines or principles propagated by an organization or movement.

Source: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/propaganda?s=t

"I" have classified the article as propaganda because one, it uses the psychological technique of reframing, thus shaping the perception of the information that is presented in a way that induces the reader to come to the conclusion that is desired by the propagandist.

They also make it seem that they have actually experienced remorse of conscience in thinking about the fate of the minority population in Syria, which they obviously don't give a damn about; thus the reader is made to feel that it is right to topple the Assad regime because he "is a monster." "Someone has to make the hard decisions." Never mind it is not even certain that Syria will go the way of Libya, it is all a practice of perception management as always.

It also uses paramoralism, which is defined as:

A paramoralism (from Greek/Latin para - "alongside, against, counter, beyond"; and moral - "system of ethics and human behaviour") is a linguistic device of persuasion. It is an argument or line of reasoning which is pitched to appear driven by ethical concerns, yet under scrutiny is revealed to be driven by self-interest or adherence to a system of rules disregarding conscience.

A paramoralism is a psychologically contagious phenomenon: its receiver is vulnerable to wrongly ascribing an accepted principle or motivation to its argument, and thereby mistakenly accepting the flawed argument. In this way, a well meaning individual can be misled into unwittingly supporting a cause, or propagating an ideology with which his own conscience disagrees.

Source: http://enpsychopedia.org/index.php/Paramoralism

Now read this again:

When the Assad regime falls, it will be open season on them, on the Alawites, and all the other minorities. Granted, Assad is a monster who has earned an ugly fate. But at what expense should we indulge the fleeting satisfaction of deposing him?

They don't care about minorities whether they be Christians, Jews, Alawites, etc, but they will definitely use them for their own self serving purposes.

As to this:

Do you know what Iraq is now after US' withdraw? Did you know what would have happen before US' invasion?

"I" don't know for certain, what Iraq is after the US withdrawl as i haven't been there to see with my own eyes. Barring that, my information has led me to the conclusion that, the US invasion of 2003, which was merely finishing what it had already started with it's sanctions throughout the 90s, and subsequent withdrawal, only made Iraq a living hell hole worse only compared to Afghanistan:

One in five Iraqis between the ages of 10 and 49 cannot read or write a simple statement related to daily life[1]. While Iraq boasted a record low illiteracy rate for the Middle East in the 1980s, illiteracy jumped to at least 20% in 2010 Moreover, illiteracy among women in Iraq, at 24%, is more than double that of men (11%). As the Iraq Liaison for the international NGO Mercy Corps pointed out, “there are some locations—particularly rural locations—where the illiteracy rates are actually much higher. Illiteracy rates among women in some communities can be as high as 40-50%.”

Source: _http://www.ncciraq.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=111&lang=en

And:

History will acknowledge that the criminal policy of the U.S-Britain and the illegal invasion of Iraq led to the current tragedy of the Iraqi people. In addition, history will have to acknowledge that the Iraqi people, alone, have resisted the genocidal sanctions and the U.S-British Occupation of their country.

A detailed study by the U.N. and Iraqi officials found that life in Iraq has decayed significantly since U.S-led foreign forces invaded and occupied the country, following a general trend seen in most sectors since the imposition of the genocidal sanctions in 1990. Iraqi civilians, mostly children, have suffered the consequences of this criminal tragedy.

The United Nations Development Program (UNDP) conducted the survey (study), titled "Iraq Living Conditions Survey 2004," (ILCS) in cooperation with Iraq’s Ministry of Planning under Occupation. It should be noted that the study is not independent. The survey was conducted by Iraqi officials, who are serving the Occupation, with officials from the U.N.

Iraq had one of the best national health-care systems in the Middle East. For example, Saudi Arabia with all her petrodollar earnings had just a fraction of that of Iraq’s.

Iraq boasted a modern social infrastructure with a first-class range of health-care facilities, and the Iraqi people enjoyed one of the highest standards of living in the Middle East. In 1991, there were 1,800 health-care centres in Iraq. More than a decade later, that number is almost half, and almost a third of them require major rehabilitation. Iraq had used its oil revenues, which accounted for 60% of its gross domestic product (GDP), to build a modern health-care system with large Western-style hospitals and modern technology. Iraqi medical and nursing schools attracted students from throughout the Middle East, and many Iraqi doctors were trained in Europe or the U.S.A. Primary health-care services reached about 97% of the urban population and 78% of the rural population in 1990. But the Gulf war of 1991 and more than 13 years of U.S-Britain sponsored genocidal sanctions have left the country's economy and infrastructure in ruins.

UNICEF reported on March 28, 2003 that, "The Education system in Iraq, prior to 1991, was one of the best in the region, with over 100% Gross Enrolment Rate for primary schooling and high levels of literacy, both of men and women. The Higher Education, especially the scientific and technological institutions, was of an international standard, staffed by high quality personnel". In the 1980s, a successful government program to eradicate illiteracy among Iraqi men and women was implemented.

According to the World Health Organisation (WHO),

"Iraq had a modern sanitary infrastructure with an extensive network of water-purification and sewage-treatment systems. Water networks distributed clean, safe water to 95% of the urban population and to 75% of those in rural areas. In 1990, Iraq was ranked 50th out of 130 countries on the UNDP Human Development Index, which measures national achievements in health, education, and per capita GDP".

It has fallen to 127, one of the most dramatic declines in human welfare in recent history, as a result of the U.S-Britain-sponsored sanctions and wars, which needlessly killed civilians en mass.

Source: _http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/HAS506A.html

Compare the availability of water then, which is a very accurate measure of the conditions in a society, and now:

Hashim Hassan is the Deputy Director of the Baghdad Water Authority (BWA), and he admits to an ongoing shortage of clean drinking water for Baghdad's seven million residents.

[...]

According to a March 2011 report by the UN's Inter-Agency Information and Analysis Unit, one in five Iraqi households use an unsafe source of drinking water, and another 16 per cent report daily supply problems.

The situation is even worse in rural areas, where only 43 per cent have access to safe drinking water, and water available for agriculture is usually scarce and of very poor quality. These facts have led more Iraqis than ever to leave rural communities in search of water and work in the cities, further compounding already existing problems there.

Source: https://www.sott.net/articles/show/240104-Iraq-A-Country-in-Shambles

But, you would already have known all this if you read sott regularly, and had knowledge of psychopathology, with the concomitant results of the results of actions by psychopathological deviants; especially in the geopolitical sphere of human interaction, of which this is the topic.

 

[Voyageur]

I was just flabbergasted. It was clear that, at some level, somebody had gotten upset that we STOPPED focusing so much on politics and warmongering and started focusing on the planet and health.

Would add, although SoTT has always focused on this, the awareness level of Psychopathology was gaining momentum in SoTT. Makes me think when transcripts of Political Ponerology were first sent out of Poland to the Vatican by Lobaczewski and not a word was ever mentioned by them, or so it is recalled. Can just imagine the internal ruckus that book would have made there; best down to the hidden archives for you type of thing and thankfully no one else has read it.

Who propaganda here? Do you know what Iraq is now after US' withdraw? Did you know what would have happen before US' invasion?

Not only Christians, but the whole population suffers: Sunni, Shi'a, Christians, Jews, atheists, etc. The only ones to profit from wars are the psychopaths in charge.

Just to add katsung47 to what mkrnhr, bngenoh and where SeekinTruth discusses the divide and concur rule, which is standard operating procedure from times long past. Libya, Syria, Palestine, etcetera, it is all the same, pitting people who fundamentally have traditionally accepted each other and drive wedges between them, arming the different sides and adding their propaganda, which becomes their thinking without understanding how it became their thinking. In Palestine the Hezbollah were created and secretly funded for such purposes, in Vietnam the sides were blended until the perception of enemy was subjectively propagated, in the US it is right/left extremes and in Iraq the intelligence and war apparatuses of the west laid down the seeds for civil war and now stand back and watch, adding or taking away from time to time influences that keep it on track. In Afghanistan the Russians uprooted people to Pakistan who then come back after being well doctored by the west to help feed the present fun and games objectives, which is generally always commercial in geneses and people’s social, ideological and economic welfare become the façade of global acceptance of these malicious doings of war for the benefit of these few.

In France now and elsewhere, actions utilizing words as wedges, such as “Terrorists”, “Lone Wolfs” are driven in with a hammer of fear, dividing and aligning groups to help continue the ruse; their grip on power.

So coming back to Health and Earth Changes, which were identified as the indicators for what really the powers fear from us knowing, seems spot on and all these other things, at the unfathomable expense of human suffering, become just tools for them to enrich the few along the way and vector thinking away from the former. Of everything except the former, earth changes, we have lost are way with the control in our abilities to create Just Law, if we ever actually had it, based on collective human morals. Just-human law, but more importantly benevolent universal and not written law holds our fragile global communities together and like a house of cards these laws are being burned. Law now is willfully created at whim by the few with very few things that protect the masses as we’ve seen this erosion continue evermore.

Does all this fear and negative aligning and subjectivity help to speed up earth changes, like switching to a different tuning fork that vibrates in a non being frequency? Think the C’s commented on this a few times but can’t find the quote. If this is so, then Health, Knowledge and Awareness will be the only things left that separates the wheat from the shaft, osit, and we need to make choices fast.

 

[katsung47]

When the Assad regime falls, it will be open season on them, on the Alawites, and all the other minorities. Granted, Assad is a monster who has earned an ugly fate. But at what expense should we indulge the fleeting satisfaction of deposing him?

Propaganda!

"Aren't we so pious and true," i mean we know what will happen if or rather when we do this, but he is a "monster" so we have to do it.

Classic "logic" of a psychopathological deviant(s).

Because he is a "moster" so we have to do it? Don't care how many others suffered? Who is the moster, Assad or US?

Who propagandaes?

Most Syrians back President Assad, but you'd never know from western media

Assad's popularity, Arab League observers, US military involvement: all distorted in the west's propaganda war
Jonathan Steele guardian.co.uk, Tuesday 17 January 2012

The key finding was that while most Arabs outside Syria feel the president should resign, attitudes in the country are different. Some 55% of Syrians want Assad to stay, motivated by fear of civil war – a spectre that is not theoretical as it is for those who live outside Syria's borders.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/jan/17/syrians-support-assad-western-propaganda

 

[katsung47]

When the Assad regime falls, it will be open season on them, on the Alawites, and all the other minorities. Granted, Assad is a monster who has earned an ugly fate. But at what expense should we indulge the fleeting satisfaction of deposing him?

Propaganda!

"Aren't we so pious and true," i mean we know what will happen if or rather when we do this, but he is a "monster" so we have to do it.

Classic "logic" of a psychopathological deviant(s).

Who propagandaes? Who is the evil? Though media rarely report it:

There were churches in Afghan before US invasion. None is left 10 years after US occupied Afghan. Be noticed that this news indirectly(may be the news agency is afraid of being called "unpatriot"?) related this to US foreign policy.

Not a Single Christian Church Left in Afghanistan, Says State Department

By Edwin Mora
October 10, 2011
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(CNSNews.com) -- There is not a single, public Christian church left in Afghanistan, according to the U.S. State Department.

This reflects the state of religious freedom in that country ten years after the United States first invaded it and overthrew its Islamist Taliban regime.

In the intervening decade, U.S. taxpayers have spent $440 billion to support Afghanistan's new government and more than 1,700 U.S. military personnel have died serving in that country.

The last public Christian church in Afghanistan was razed in March 2010, according to the State Department's latest International Religious Freedom Report.