S. 1867 National Defense Authorization Act

[MnSportsman]

It seems that I am a "Baked Noodle", or have had my " Noodles baked". Perhaps "well done". Thus I started this topic here... I realize that this is a forum that is world wide, & does not advocate political ideology. I am not trying to promote anything, nor dissuade anyone from any thing they would like to believe in. I only ask for a chance to voice my thoughts on something that has me completely irate, confused & dammit... pretty damn well scared...

I am a U.S.citizen, former U.S Marine('79-86), & I would hope, a US patriot; Thus I am seriously alarmed & "ticked off" at what I see happening in the U.S.A. with the passage of this act of US Congress, without a veto by the acting US president. In my opinion, the US Patriot Act is "childs play" to this latest Congressional Act(1867) in comparison.

What scares me the most is...It seems as no one notices & gives a She*%$it.
Are people so asleep that they do not see what is going on?
Poltical ponerology? It is hitting them in the face like a baseball bat, & it seems to me they are asleep. WTF?

I am "venting" a bit, for now... I realize how much I can say & how much I cannot say anymore since this Congressional "Act" appears to have taken away the right I had under the US Constitution & Bill of Rights to have "Free Speech". Since now I may be accused of saying something that the PTB can twist into something that might be considered "terrorism", even if it is not even close to seditious, or terroristic; I can be locked away without recourse. Habeas Corpus has been suspended, or removed, THe Non-Detention Act & The Posse Comitatus Act has been revoked by the act of US Congress in passing, and forwarding to, & the signing into law by the current POTUS.

It is the time for people to "wake up"!

I hope it happens.... Although I do not see anything but "Zzzzzzzz" happening right now.
Sheep are sheep & Wolves are wolves.... Aren't there any more Sheepdogs watchin over the flocks & barking? Sounding the alarm?

I only hear one lonely bark... Echoing ...
Wishin I heard more...
Makes me mighty sad.

Thanks for me having a space to vent....

Enjoying my Baked Noodles,
JB/MnSportsman

 

[anart]

Hi, I moved your thread because it should not be in Baked Noodles.

Are people so asleep that they do not see what is going on?

Yes. You're getting a glimpse of the 'horror of the situation'. The C's pretty much mapped out what is happening 15 years ago. No one could grasp how it was possible that we could get from 'there' to 'here' - yet here we are and, as far as I'm concerned, it's all over but the crying.

 

[Kaigen]

I completely understand you, this what was in the 80's and 90's Hollywood movie about prison states, and countrys, is now reality.

 

[Thomas Alan]

This act is truly terrifying. And your right, there has barely been a whisper. Where is the outrage this deserves?

Anyone can now be labeled a terrorist. For speaking out, for putting food by, almost anything the PTB might choose.

But, alas, folks are watching football, reading the latest gossip, buying things they don't need with money they don't have. Dreaming that they are wealthy and safe.

When they come for their neighbors they'll pretend they don't see. Likely, people will just disappear.

Well said, Anart. This act, pretty much wraps it up.

Mac

 

[Voyageur]

Hi, I moved your thread because it should not be in Baked Noodles.

Completely understand your dismal.

Are people so asleep that they do not see what is going on?

Yes and no, but it seems so much easier to sleep then truly look and act. The ACT above is designed to help people fighting the urge to sleep, a friendly reminder from the PTB.

Yes. You're getting a glimpse of the 'horror of the situation'. The C's pretty much mapped out what is happening 15 years ago. No one could grasp how it was possible that we could get from 'there' to 'here' - yet here we are and, as far as I'm concerned, it's all over but the crying.

Been going on for a long time this mapped direction. When it gets unbearable, will people who serve those others act blindly as they do now for the most part or will they suddenly wake, dropping their arms, the nefarious laws and demands made upon them by these others, refusing their orders? If this were to be the case then those others crafting ACT's like this will then be left more naked with no minions to carry out their human treason's.

My brother in law is a 20 year veteran in the armed forces, if facing me or someone else in a undesirable movement of people against the others, would he if blindly ordered shoot? Right now he might, just don't know, but would not bet on it. The cop down the street if faced with the same, would he or she if ordered break skull's or would their human capacitor cause them to turn away from specious orders?

[quote author=Mac]

When they come for their neighbors they'll pretend they don't see. Likely, people will just disappear.
[/quote]

Am reminded of farming people in the Ukraine during their earlier century ideological occupation; their very children or neighbor's turned them in for having two cows instead of one, hidden sacks of potatoes....they disappeared.

It seems to me that individual decisions are going to be made according to whats inside and anything is possible, but it does not look good for human beings at present.

 

[anart]

My brother in law is a 20 year veteran in the armed forces, if facing me or someone else in a undesirable movement of people against the others, would he if blindly ordered shoot? Right now he might, just don't know, but would not bet on it. The cop down the street if faced with the same, would he or she if ordered break skull's or would their human capacitor cause them to turn away from specious orders?

You seem to be ignoring that what you 'wouldn't bet on' is already happening...

 

[Al Today]

My brother in law is a 20 year veteran in the armed forces, if facing me or someone else in a undesirable movement of people against the others, would he if blindly ordered shoot? Right now he might, just don't know, but would not bet on it. The cop down the street if faced with the same, would he or she if ordered break skull's or would their human capacitor cause them to turn away from specious orders?

You seem to be ignoring that what you 'wouldn't bet on' is already happening...

U.S. troops have already fired upon the citizenry in the past.. The precedent has been established as demonstrated at Kent State on Monday, May 4, 1970. The guys and guys of the military have been and still are going through a finely tuned mind alteration program starting with boot camp.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings

The Kent State shootings—also known as the May 4 massacre or the Kent State massacre—occurred at Kent State University in the U.S. city of Kent, Ohio, and involved the shooting of unarmed college students by members of the Ohio National Guard on Monday, May 4, 1970. The guardsmen fired 67 rounds over a period of 13 seconds, killing four students and wounding nine others, one of whom suffered permanent paralysis.

 

[Nienna]

My brother in law is a 20 year veteran in the armed forces, if facing me or someone else in a undesirable movement of people against the others, would he if blindly ordered shoot? Right now he might, just don't know, but would not bet on it. The cop down the street if faced with the same, would he or she if ordered break skull's or would their human capacitor cause them to turn away from specious orders?

You seem to be ignoring that what you 'wouldn't bet on' is already happening...

U.S. troops have already fired upon the citizenry in the past.. The precedent has been established as demonstrated at Kent State on Monday, May 4, 1970. The guys and guys of the military have been and still are going through a finely tuned mind alteration program starting with boot camp.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings

The Kent State shootings—also known as the May 4 massacre or the Kent State massacre—occurred at Kent State University in the U.S. city of Kent, Ohio, and involved the shooting of unarmed college students by members of the Ohio National Guard on Monday, May 4, 1970. The guardsmen fired 67 rounds over a period of 13 seconds, killing four students and wounding nine others, one of whom suffered permanent paralysis.

Yep, this is all too sadly true.

And, even if some of the people in these forces were to decide to not shoot on their own citizens, you always have the paid mercenaries - the military contractors who seem to love to kill anyone, anytime.

 

[SeekinTruth]

My brother in law is a 20 year veteran in the armed forces, if facing me or someone else in a undesirable movement of people against the others, would he if blindly ordered shoot? Right now he might, just don't know, but would not bet on it. The cop down the street if faced with the same, would he or she if ordered break skull's or would their human capacitor cause them to turn away from specious orders?

You seem to be ignoring that what you 'wouldn't bet on' is already happening...

U.S. troops have already fired upon the citizenry in the past.. The precedent has been established as demonstrated at Kent State on Monday, May 4, 1970. The guys and guys of the military have been and still are going through a finely tuned mind alteration program starting with boot camp.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings

The Kent State shootings—also known as the May 4 massacre or the Kent State massacre—occurred at Kent State University in the U.S. city of Kent, Ohio, and involved the shooting of unarmed college students by members of the Ohio National Guard on Monday, May 4, 1970. The guardsmen fired 67 rounds over a period of 13 seconds, killing four students and wounding nine others, one of whom suffered permanent paralysis.

Yep, this is all too sadly true.

And, even if some of the people in these forces were to decide to not shoot on their own citizens, you always have the paid mercenaries - the military contractors who seem to love to kill anyone, anytime.

Yes, this is sadly very true.

 

[Thomas Alan]

My own experience in the military is thankfully long past. But I can assure you that their are those in the military that would gladly kill anyone given the opportunity, and laugh and make jokes about it later. I met many of them in those days.

The military of any country is a magnet for psychopaths. It gives them the opening to do things that come naturally to them. Likely, this has been so through out human history.

S. 1867, is only part of the picture, of course. But it gives a legal, though clearly un-Constitutional, sanction for such behavior. It shows that the PTB believe that they can now be very open about their intentions.

The mostly silent acceptance by US citizens calls to mind the similar response to the murder of JFK. Even at the time it was obvious that it was the result of a plot by powerful forces in the government. But there was little demand by the public for a full accounting.

Still, I have hope. We have the Work, the task before each of us. We have this forum to help each other learn.
Perhaps, like the Winter Solstice, the growing darkness portends the return of the light.

Mac

 

[seek10]

Did u see the weather related terminology they added to the bill . you must be asking why terrorism has any thing to do weather. Why having 7 days of food makes one terrorist suspect ?.

Tomorrow 5 ft of snow overnight makes the entire country a 300 million bodies Tomb.

The problem is people are design function when they are on vegetarian and main stream food. They become authoritarian followers. After that nothing matters. brother, mother , father. It is already proved in Nazi Germany. Nazi's did the entire massacre with primitive spy system and with 10% of the enforcing police and secret services. Another problem is people's eyes and ears are Media and PTB knows how to use it to manipulate and common doesn't suspect, even if he suspects, he is lazy to think other wise, even if he thinks, he is scared of consequences of being other wise.

 

[Al Today]

[...]
Why having 7 days of food makes one terrorist suspect ?.
[...]

Now I wonder what the connection is to with the following discussion.?.?.?
http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,26111

Definitely make me go Hhhmmm...

 

[MnSportsman]

There is more & more to be concerned about by everyone. I do not believe I am being paranoid, I believe I am "calling them like I see them". For those of you who read what is being written here in this thread, I would like to mention: If the US Congress is willing to pass these type of "Acts"against the US Constitution & our Bill or Rights, & the US public is not getting informed, ( particularly by "Main Stream Media") , or even noticing, ( being aware,) about what is happening in regards to their US "rights" & "liberties"; What do you suppose the US Congress thinks of those of you who are "not" US citizens? Those that do not live in the USA have been & will still say that the US is a bad thing for the world. BUT.... WE had the US Constitution & Bill of Rights to let the US public try to "sway"the US Congress, & Pres. of the US in regard to foreign policy & what they decide to do, both IN the USA & around the world, by making the US Congress & POTUS aware that to act without incurring public discontent, they needed to listen to all views... Now,with this act, they can ( or so it seems) remove anyone, or any group of US citizens who is/are a dissenter to the US policy set by that same," of the people" US Congress & the POTUS.

& This is UNACCEPTABLE... Likely UNCONSTITUTIONAL... & By the Act of trying to pass an unconstitutional act, makes those who have taken the oath to uphold the US Constitution
[U.S. Congress(Senate/Representatves)] very likely traitors in the very definition of the word.
& I may add... TERRORISTS! to the US Public & the world.

Since, I feel as though I am being terrorized by their act, not unlike others( US citizens) & they are helping those who wish the US downfall by this Congressional Act turning into law. Thus , they, in introducing, supporting & in passing this Act, including the requirements for the suspension of Habeus Corpus, annulling the Posse Commitatus Act, & the Non-detention Act, ( creating essentially, "martial law") that they have made into law; this law should be applied to them.

I do not advocate violent retribution for these traitorous-type actions. I do not wish to sound/be "seditious". I feel it is necessary for people to be aware that those who "say" they wish to protect us ( the US Public) from terrorists, are getting "terroristic" in their actions, & the power that they have been given is beng mis-used. Tyranny is rearing its' ugly head. OSIT

I hope the best for us all, all over the world.

JB/MnSportsman

& if I disappear... then you now know why...

EDIT: My laptop "I/i" button acting up, so I replaced the missing ones. (mostly, hope)
P.S.- changed my avatar to the original battle flag(Gadsden) that the USMC carried in to its' first battle during the American Revolution. It seemed fitting...

 

[Al Today]

Just had a thought. thought...
With the death of the n. korean dude, and his western edumated programmed child, guess how the kid thinks, is there gonna be an excuse for a tightening of security? I have my lawn chair ready for the big show... and 50 calibers... rat tat tatta tat... Please leave me alone and stay off'n my property... Please...


edit: But Martin Luther King had a vision. Tough decision...

 

[MnSportsman]

It is my opinion,that here is another thing to ponder on:

"the president already has "nearly unchecked authority" to control Internet companies. A 1934 law creating the Federal Communications Commission says that in wartime, or if a "state of public peril or disaster or other national emergency" exists, the president may "authorize the use or control of any...station or device."

Apparently... It is already in place to suspend the use of the internet, or any other U.S communication by the president, should he/she find it necessary.

Mocking the situation is not conducive to its rectification. To not at least recognize & attempt to help to correct a problem, surely means that the inaction can contribute to the problem. In other words, "If you are not helping solve the problem, you are part of the problem."

There are those who may just "brush off, or "make light" of the significance of what is going on.
Do so at your own peril. You may find that you are not "free" to do the things you used to enjoy. Like participate, network, & enjoy this site along with any others. I believe that is worth considering.

"Freedom is not Free", never as been, & never will be.

[ Are ya sure this topic shouldn't be in Baked Noodles where it was started?]
;)

In all seriousness, I hope that folks do not "wait & see" what others do to change things. They will be too late. OSIT