S. 1867 National Defense Authorization Act
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deleven
Jedi
MnSportsman
While you're at it, read "War is a Racket" by Major General Smedley Butler (USMC)
_http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/warisaracket.html
One of the most difficult tasks involved with The Work is recognizing one's "sacred cows". General Butler did and exposed armed conflict for the deception that it always includes, programming our peoples into beliefs of self rightiousness. And he did this 80 years ago. I know you are a proud man and believe that you have "served" your country well. Perhaps in your "defense" of our "freedoms" you have merely allowed others to stay asleep longer, including yourself perhaps. So how free are we really? Free to shop. Free to watch TV. Free to distract ourselves with gadjetry and endless pursuits of self indulgence all the while oblivious to the high cost our affluence has sucked from the rest of the human race all in the name of "speading democracy" ignorant to the fact that we don't even have it here. Time to wake up, my brother. If your combat experience did not awaken you to what the broken veterans of Viet Nam, and every other bloodlust conflict the US was involved with, experienced, then I suggest you just re-up and do it again until you do. Then I will be proud to listen to your story as I was proud to listen to General Butler's.
While you're at it, read "War is a Racket" by Major General Smedley Butler (USMC)
_http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/warisaracket.html
One of the most difficult tasks involved with The Work is recognizing one's "sacred cows". General Butler did and exposed armed conflict for the deception that it always includes, programming our peoples into beliefs of self rightiousness. And he did this 80 years ago. I know you are a proud man and believe that you have "served" your country well. Perhaps in your "defense" of our "freedoms" you have merely allowed others to stay asleep longer, including yourself perhaps. So how free are we really? Free to shop. Free to watch TV. Free to distract ourselves with gadjetry and endless pursuits of self indulgence all the while oblivious to the high cost our affluence has sucked from the rest of the human race all in the name of "speading democracy" ignorant to the fact that we don't even have it here. Time to wake up, my brother. If your combat experience did not awaken you to what the broken veterans of Viet Nam, and every other bloodlust conflict the US was involved with, experienced, then I suggest you just re-up and do it again until you do. Then I will be proud to listen to your story as I was proud to listen to General Butler's.
Buddy
The Living Force
My personal feeling here is that even if MnSportsman is not fully aware of the "since way-back lawless pathocracy", let alone the "terror of the situation", his posts still show how obvious and outrageous is the "anti-citizen" nature of this bill as written and as seen even from a conventional perspective.
Just my take.
Just my take.
MnSportsman
Jedi
Guardian,
I am aware, & have been, of the current bills status. I cannot say if anyone else is/was. I thank you for the link though, since it would be good for people who want to know about the bill status can easily track it. To see if it is signed & becomes law. I also hope that if it is not vetoed in whole for a "complete re-write"(unlikely), then hopefully there will be some sort of "line item veto", or changing of it , of the parts which are badly written & are the subject of this topic.
Foxx,
Yes I have read the wave. The other books, No; as my income at this time, prevents me from purchasing them. No one that I know of around me has them. Thus I am limited to the local Public library for borrowing, & that is also limiting as to what can be borrowed. If/when they are available I will read them.
I would also like to add though, I am unclear on the relevance of your question in regards to the subject of this topic ??
Thank you for the good wishes, We had a wonderful time.
Deleven,
I am aware of Gen. Butlers' book. I have read parts of it, & articles written about it, but not the book in its' entirety. I will check for its' availability at the P. library, as it was always a book I wanted to read completely, but had not yet done so. I will read what is at the link you provided. If it is the "complete" work, then you will save me a part of my next trip to the library.
:)
Buddy,
I am aware of "since way-back lawless pathocracy", but the term,"fully aware", I am not sure of, nor if anyone I have met, is that knowledgeable/enlightened. I am fully aware, in my opinion of the "terror of the situation". & I fully agree to the last part of your sentence, ""anti-citizen" nature of this bill as written and as seen even from a conventional perspective."
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I am not sure if this request is proper here in this forum, but I think it is a good thing to do, no matter what forum a person is going to write a reply in...
I would ask that anyone who reads this topic this far, to re-read the original post if they decide to post a reply. Just as a reminder.
;)
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I must emphasize that I did not originate this topic for me to get help in my "work". I started it in the "Baked Noodles" section of the forum, since I was using the topic to vent a bit. Yes, that could be construed as "selfish", & had the OP been sent to the waste-bin, I would have been "O.K." with that move. I also recognize that it was a good move for anart to move it out for discussion here, in the "Whats on you Mind" area of this forum. The subject, Re: S. 1867 National Defense Authorization Act, & the content of it, should be a matter to be shared & discussed. I hope that the subject can continue to be shared & discussed & the thread not be construed as something that "I' need help in dealing with. As the only help in regard to the S. 1867 National Defense Authorization Act, that "I" could possibly request, is that more folks( at the least U.S. citizens who are most affected by it.) are made aware of it & that it gets changed/repealed. Those who have attempted to point out to me that this is just another "brick in the wall" of pathology/social injustice throughout history, need not do so, at least for my regard. The awareness of this act/law & its' possible repercussions is the "subject" of the topic, & I hope that other people will join in the "barking", to make more people aware of this treacherous abomination, & not remain "sleeping", by allowing the subject to end up as just another one of those same "bricks in the wall". If it does stay the same... they win again. At many peoples' peril.
Thanks to all who have participated here.
:)
I hope that this topic continues to be participated in, at least until someone can post that the Act/law has been changed for the better.
Respects & regards,
JB/MnSportsman
I am aware, & have been, of the current bills status. I cannot say if anyone else is/was. I thank you for the link though, since it would be good for people who want to know about the bill status can easily track it. To see if it is signed & becomes law. I also hope that if it is not vetoed in whole for a "complete re-write"(unlikely), then hopefully there will be some sort of "line item veto", or changing of it , of the parts which are badly written & are the subject of this topic.
Foxx,
Yes I have read the wave. The other books, No; as my income at this time, prevents me from purchasing them. No one that I know of around me has them. Thus I am limited to the local Public library for borrowing, & that is also limiting as to what can be borrowed. If/when they are available I will read them.
I would also like to add though, I am unclear on the relevance of your question in regards to the subject of this topic ??
Thank you for the good wishes, We had a wonderful time.
Deleven,
I am aware of Gen. Butlers' book. I have read parts of it, & articles written about it, but not the book in its' entirety. I will check for its' availability at the P. library, as it was always a book I wanted to read completely, but had not yet done so. I will read what is at the link you provided. If it is the "complete" work, then you will save me a part of my next trip to the library.
:)
Buddy,
I am aware of "since way-back lawless pathocracy", but the term,"fully aware", I am not sure of, nor if anyone I have met, is that knowledgeable/enlightened. I am fully aware, in my opinion of the "terror of the situation". & I fully agree to the last part of your sentence, ""anti-citizen" nature of this bill as written and as seen even from a conventional perspective."
---------------------------------------------
I am not sure if this request is proper here in this forum, but I think it is a good thing to do, no matter what forum a person is going to write a reply in...
I would ask that anyone who reads this topic this far, to re-read the original post if they decide to post a reply. Just as a reminder.
;)
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I must emphasize that I did not originate this topic for me to get help in my "work". I started it in the "Baked Noodles" section of the forum, since I was using the topic to vent a bit. Yes, that could be construed as "selfish", & had the OP been sent to the waste-bin, I would have been "O.K." with that move. I also recognize that it was a good move for anart to move it out for discussion here, in the "Whats on you Mind" area of this forum. The subject, Re: S. 1867 National Defense Authorization Act, & the content of it, should be a matter to be shared & discussed. I hope that the subject can continue to be shared & discussed & the thread not be construed as something that "I' need help in dealing with. As the only help in regard to the S. 1867 National Defense Authorization Act, that "I" could possibly request, is that more folks( at the least U.S. citizens who are most affected by it.) are made aware of it & that it gets changed/repealed. Those who have attempted to point out to me that this is just another "brick in the wall" of pathology/social injustice throughout history, need not do so, at least for my regard. The awareness of this act/law & its' possible repercussions is the "subject" of the topic, & I hope that other people will join in the "barking", to make more people aware of this treacherous abomination, & not remain "sleeping", by allowing the subject to end up as just another one of those same "bricks in the wall". If it does stay the same... they win again. At many peoples' peril.
Thanks to all who have participated here.
:)
I hope that this topic continues to be participated in, at least until someone can post that the Act/law has been changed for the better.
Respects & regards,
JB/MnSportsman
Thomas Alan
The Living Force
Hi, MnSportsman:
It seems to me that anyone posts on this forum are asking for help of others in seeing what they themselves cannot see in their views. So vent, if you want to, even get into a full rant. But, then, read and deeply consider the responses to what you have said. It is the best way to learn and grow. The folks here are very perceptive in spotting our mechanical thoughts and helping each other to see them. I know that if I had studied myself for a thousand years I could not have learned near as much as I have learned here in 6 years.
IMO, the only thing of value in the US Constitution is the Bill of Rights. The rest of the document has nothing to do with liberty. It simply gives the illusion that we have some influence on how we are governed. I don't know about your experience but my vote, in elections since 1968, has not made any difference in the outcome of any election. If I had never voted at all the result would have been the same. When we vote we a simply saying "Yes" to the system itself.
As for oaths: It seems to me that swearing an oath to any document, person or organization is a bad idea. If we are thinking and learning our views and values change over time. An oath is but a hindrance to the endeavor of seeking the truth. If we are going to swear an oath, lets commit to always seek the truth, to learn from others that are so committed and to have open hearts.
FWIW
Mac
It seems to me that anyone posts on this forum are asking for help of others in seeing what they themselves cannot see in their views. So vent, if you want to, even get into a full rant. But, then, read and deeply consider the responses to what you have said. It is the best way to learn and grow. The folks here are very perceptive in spotting our mechanical thoughts and helping each other to see them. I know that if I had studied myself for a thousand years I could not have learned near as much as I have learned here in 6 years.
IMO, the only thing of value in the US Constitution is the Bill of Rights. The rest of the document has nothing to do with liberty. It simply gives the illusion that we have some influence on how we are governed. I don't know about your experience but my vote, in elections since 1968, has not made any difference in the outcome of any election. If I had never voted at all the result would have been the same. When we vote we a simply saying "Yes" to the system itself.
As for oaths: It seems to me that swearing an oath to any document, person or organization is a bad idea. If we are thinking and learning our views and values change over time. An oath is but a hindrance to the endeavor of seeking the truth. If we are going to swear an oath, lets commit to always seek the truth, to learn from others that are so committed and to have open hearts.
FWIW
Mac
Hi, MnSportsman. Just a couple of points. Usually, a thread is moved to the Baked Noodles section because someone comes and starts posting a bunch of raving mumbo jumbo, etc. Once in a while someone may start a new topic in Baked Noodles, but for a specific reason.
The reason anart moved this thread into What's On Your Mind is because there's nothing "Baked Noodles" about it. And just for your information, in the future if you just want to vent about something, you can post in the Swamp (you have enough posts).
On another note, in June of 2006, I moved out of the U.S. It was something I'd been wanting to do for 15 years, but never acted on it. When I found the Cass site in 2004 and started spending A LOT of time reading and also getting my news from SOTT and listening to the Podcasts, etc., it finally galvanized me to make the move I'd been wanting to do for so long.
I had foreseen where the U.S. was headed for a long time. I knew I had to get out of there eventually. It became much worse after 9/11, but still, somehow I wasn't acting on what was really bothering me. It wasn't until Hurricane Katrina that I just sat down and said "it's now or never."
I wasn't born in the U.S., but in the U.S.S.R. My family moved to the U.S. when I was 8 (because my father was a vocal dissident), and I lived there for 31 years. I saw so many similarities between the two Pathocracies growing up. It all came to a head during the Congressional deliberations about the First Gulf War. That's when I said this country is headed in the same direction as the Soviet Union -- eventual destruction/collapse. That's when I started thinking about leaving. By the way, my father used to always say that the Soviet system will some day be destroyed/collapse, even if he wasn't alive to see it, his children would. He did live to see it.
Moving was the best choice for me, and for many others, it will not be -- and for many, it will be next to impossible to go live in another country because of many details of their situation. But, although I really understand your reaction to this new "law" passed by the Senate, the writing was on the wall for a long time. I'm sure there will be other, better ways to cope with this whole thing than to put any hope into changing the system by using the paths of the system. (That's why my father wanted to get out of the Soviet Union, as well, and it took him nearly 11 years of being played with before he was able to get himself and his family out).
Network here, network in your local community and use vigilance to help survive the increasingly insane situation in the U.S. (by the way, it's pretty much global). One positive thing is that it is in situations such as this that the most opportunities come up to Work on yourself. I respect you wanting to get the word out to more people, but I think you must be strategic, and most importantly, network. Best regards to you and your family.
P.S. I agree with what Mac wrote about oaths.
The reason anart moved this thread into What's On Your Mind is because there's nothing "Baked Noodles" about it. And just for your information, in the future if you just want to vent about something, you can post in the Swamp (you have enough posts).
On another note, in June of 2006, I moved out of the U.S. It was something I'd been wanting to do for 15 years, but never acted on it. When I found the Cass site in 2004 and started spending A LOT of time reading and also getting my news from SOTT and listening to the Podcasts, etc., it finally galvanized me to make the move I'd been wanting to do for so long.
I had foreseen where the U.S. was headed for a long time. I knew I had to get out of there eventually. It became much worse after 9/11, but still, somehow I wasn't acting on what was really bothering me. It wasn't until Hurricane Katrina that I just sat down and said "it's now or never."
I wasn't born in the U.S., but in the U.S.S.R. My family moved to the U.S. when I was 8 (because my father was a vocal dissident), and I lived there for 31 years. I saw so many similarities between the two Pathocracies growing up. It all came to a head during the Congressional deliberations about the First Gulf War. That's when I said this country is headed in the same direction as the Soviet Union -- eventual destruction/collapse. That's when I started thinking about leaving. By the way, my father used to always say that the Soviet system will some day be destroyed/collapse, even if he wasn't alive to see it, his children would. He did live to see it.
Moving was the best choice for me, and for many others, it will not be -- and for many, it will be next to impossible to go live in another country because of many details of their situation. But, although I really understand your reaction to this new "law" passed by the Senate, the writing was on the wall for a long time. I'm sure there will be other, better ways to cope with this whole thing than to put any hope into changing the system by using the paths of the system. (That's why my father wanted to get out of the Soviet Union, as well, and it took him nearly 11 years of being played with before he was able to get himself and his family out).
Network here, network in your local community and use vigilance to help survive the increasingly insane situation in the U.S. (by the way, it's pretty much global). One positive thing is that it is in situations such as this that the most opportunities come up to Work on yourself. I respect you wanting to get the word out to more people, but I think you must be strategic, and most importantly, network. Best regards to you and your family.
P.S. I agree with what Mac wrote about oaths.
MnSportsman
Jedi
Mac,
Taken from your latest post:
I have. Thank you.
I agree. It is the whole reason that I have said what I have, up until now in this topic.
You are likely correct in what you wrote. I choose to uphold what I have sworn to at this tme. That is my choice, & I see no reason to change now. I will stand by it until I am no longer able to do so. I believe in having honor, & not to take an oath unless you will see it through, until you can no longer do so. I can still uphold my oath to the best of my abilities, so I stand by that oath.
Thank you for your insightful post.
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SeekinTruth,
Thank you for the background that you shared. It lends much gravity to your words.
:)
Taken from your latest post
I agree with you. I am not sure that I am all that "strategic", in how I write posts, or in how I try to bring attention to things here, but I can assure you that the posts I write are not motivated by emotion , but more so motivated by the the principles in/of which I believe in. I may be incorrect, but in trying to "network", one must find those who share the same idea(s), the same purpose, or cause; in order for the "net" to "work". I am not seeing it here so far. (And in the beginning/start of this topic , it was not my intention. At least, that is my thought/opinion.)
Thank you for your insights & the time you took to share them.
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Respects & Best Regards to all who have participated here,
JB/MnSportsman
P.S.- I would like to point out that in the last 2-3 weeks, SOTT has posted 15 articles about this subject. I used the keywords, "NDAA" & "1867", to search for this info. It seems as though I am not the only one outraged & concerned about this Act that may become a Law.
Taken from your latest post:
I have. Thank you.
I agree. It is the whole reason that I have said what I have, up until now in this topic.
You are likely correct in what you wrote. I choose to uphold what I have sworn to at this tme. That is my choice, & I see no reason to change now. I will stand by it until I am no longer able to do so. I believe in having honor, & not to take an oath unless you will see it through, until you can no longer do so. I can still uphold my oath to the best of my abilities, so I stand by that oath.
Thank you for your insightful post.
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SeekinTruth,
Thank you for the background that you shared. It lends much gravity to your words.
:)
Taken from your latest post
I agree with you. I am not sure that I am all that "strategic", in how I write posts, or in how I try to bring attention to things here, but I can assure you that the posts I write are not motivated by emotion , but more so motivated by the the principles in/of which I believe in. I may be incorrect, but in trying to "network", one must find those who share the same idea(s), the same purpose, or cause; in order for the "net" to "work". I am not seeing it here so far. (And in the beginning/start of this topic , it was not my intention. At least, that is my thought/opinion.)
Thank you for your insights & the time you took to share them.
--------------------------------------------------
Respects & Best Regards to all who have participated here,
JB/MnSportsman
P.S.- I would like to point out that in the last 2-3 weeks, SOTT has posted 15 articles about this subject. I used the keywords, "NDAA" & "1867", to search for this info. It seems as though I am not the only one outraged & concerned about this Act that may become a Law.
Muxel
Dagobah Resident
From Evidence That a Frozen Fish Didn't Impact the Pentagon on 9-11 and Neither Did a Boeing 757 by Joe Quinn:
Here's something to think about:
So, why NDAA 2012? Why provoke the people with something this overt? (Remember, the PTB already do whatever they like regardless of the Law.)
I think it boils down to the magician-sheep allegory. If the sheep can be acclimated/desensitized to Nephilimic policing, the degree of resistance is greatly reduced.
Here's something to think about:
- The U.S. government didn't pass any bill allowing them to carry out 9-11. They just did it.
- You have a piece of paper that magically gives you the right to "Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness". Does this in any way reflect the Universe, where free will is the only true "law"?
So, why NDAA 2012? Why provoke the people with something this overt? (Remember, the PTB already do whatever they like regardless of the Law.)
I think it boils down to the magician-sheep allegory. If the sheep can be acclimated/desensitized to Nephilimic policing, the degree of resistance is greatly reduced.
MnSportsman
Jedi
"If the President does not act on a measure-approving or vetoing it-within 10 days, the fate of the
measure depends on whether Congress is in session. If Congress is in session, the bill becomes law
without the President's approval. If Congress is not in session, the measure does not become law.
Presidential inaction when Congress is not in session is known as a pocket veto. Congress has
interpreted the use of the pocket veto to be limited to the final, so-called sine die adjournment of
the originating chamber. The President's pocket veto authority is not definitively decided."
{Notes> The above quote( verbatim) is taken from:_http://www.senate.gov/reference/resources/pdf/legprocessflowchart.pdf ,in Attachment #6.
One of the definitions of "sine die" is: : without any future date being designated (as for resumption) : indefinitely <the meeting adjourned sine die> ... Definition reference is :
_http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sine%20die
Bolds & italics are mine}
Addendum: The Pocket Veto:
"When Congress is adjourned, the president can reject a bill by simply refusing to sign it. This action is known as a "pocket veto," coming from the analogy of the president simply putting the bill in his pocket and forgetting about it. Unlike a regular veto, Congress has neither the opportunity or constitutional authority to override a pocket veto."
Reference: _http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/thepresidentandcabinet/a/presveto.htm
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Guardian,
I hope you are right in your "prediction" although rather than Christmas, it may be the New Years...
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EDIT(s): "Munged" dictionary link& added addendum, plus a comment to Guardian.
Guardian
The Cosmic Force
MnSportsman said:
IF (and that's a big IF) he's going to veto, he's going to do it when he'll get the maximum press coverage....usually a holiday when people are home in front off the boob tube.
If Obama follows the normal pattern, he'll do something in the year before the election to earn himself some serious cred among the sheeple who can't see through it. This bill seems tailor made since there's really nothing in it the gov isn't already doing, and since it's a spending bill, he gets a "Line Item Veto" so he can just take out a few parts that were intentionally inserted for him to remove to become the "hero"
Notice how it's become all out the violations of our civil rights, and not the TRILLIONS that will be spent on more military toys?
MnSportsman
Jedi
Sadly, he didn't even use, or try to use the "Line Item Veto" that any executive can use in an appropriations bill.
I am not allowed to use profanity here in this forum. Thus...Use your imagination.
Happy New Year, "comrades".
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