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[Lucius]

Sitting on the balcony looking at the passing train I think of it that I'm sentenced to solitude apart from virtually anyone on this board, I can not speak on subjects about which I think, however, and sometimes I'm afraid.
Worse, even I do not have chances to normal relationship because I know that I will not give advice to live in the illusion - any normal relationship to the children's families seeking work in this world without looking at what is ...
just do not know if I have this feeling of loneliness that is just such a moment longer ...

 

[efeuvete]

Hi Lukas, I write from Spain

Your post makes me tell: I too feel sentenced to the same solitude for the very same reason.
People seem to avoid your company if you reject the, more or less standard, life illusions; From family to friends. It just happens this way. Now and then, they can be interested in "peculiar points of view" but very soon... kind of "I must continue with normal life"
Right now, my consolation is to think that there must be a "place" in this desertlike situation; Hope we find it.

 

[Aneke]

Hello Lukas,

I can't claim to know how you are feeling, but I believe I can identify. I get frustrated with the general public at times. I am the type that has many acquaintances, but very few real friends. I get along well with others, but I have a hard time getting personal. I tried for a long time to have a "normal life" like everyone else. I'm okay with not being normal. There are a lot of people who are okay with me not being normal. I socialize with them and have fun with them. I love my family, whether or not they share my views. Their company is still positive.

I think that's the important thing - don't cut yourself off from people because they're stuck on "life's illusions". We're all moving at our own pace. Everyone has something to offer.

 

[Mr.Anderson]

I let the other person direct the topics of conversation but never offer more than is asked for or beyond the understanding or receptivity of the people I know. I have become somewhat comfortable being alone, but not completely. People must have the free will to choose their path, so I have worked hard to let go of having the expectation of talking too deeply with others. I am lucky to have this forum and a mate I can talk to.

 

[Lucius]

I let the other person direct the topics of conversation but never offer more than is asked for or beyond the understanding or receptivity of the people I know. I have become somewhat comfortable being alone, but not completely. People must have the free will to choose their path, so I have worked hard to let go of having the expectation of talking too deeply with others. I am lucky to have this forum and a mate I can talk to.

Yes that is lucky to have this forum -at least you know someone that is similar with point of view world.

Hello Lukas,

I can't claim to know how you are feeling, but I believe I can identify. I get frustrated with the general public at times. I am the type that has many acquaintances, but very few real friends. I get along well with others, but I have a hard time getting personal. I tried for a long time to have a "normal life" like everyone else. I'm okay with not being normal. There are a lot of people who are okay with me not being normal. I socialize with them and have fun with them. I love my family, whether or not they share my views. Their company is still positive.

I think that's the important thing - don't cut yourself off from people because they're stuck on "life's illusions". We're all moving at our own pace. Everyone has something to offer.

When I tried to live a normal life was returning fate that caused you to the path I follow now sometimes dramatically showed me the truth about the world and reality.
I assume that even the worst truth is better than a lie

Hi Lukas, I write from Spain

Your post makes me tell: I too feel sentenced to the same solitude for the very same reason.
People seem to avoid your company if you reject the, more or less standard, life illusions; From family to friends. It just happens this way. Now and then, they can be interested in "peculiar points of view" but very soon... kind of "I must continue with normal life"
Right now, my consolation is to think that there must be a "place" in this desertlike situation; Hope we find it.

So people avoid the company when something does not agree with their "normal life" prefer to live in illusion. The question of whether it is possible to create a normal of beams with a person who does not work on themselves do not see what's going on? or it will not escape?

 

[efeuvete]

So people avoid the company when something does not agree with their "normal life" prefer to live in illusion. The question of whether it is possible to create a normal of beams with a person who does not work on themselves do not see what's going on? or it will not escape?

My experience with "STS to STO oriented" people is that they feel themselves attracted to my modest truth search so, they "come and see". Then, when they smell "The hard side of it" they go politely to their normal life. And I would say that the more attracted, the stronger smell, the farther they go and the late they come back.

That's why I hope to find a "place" where I can wait for other company than myself, books to myself, music to myself and some people here and there on the internet. Kind of a palmtree shadow on the desert. Maybe when I find it, I would be able to contact people without needing peers so badly.

So, not easy by now.

 

[manitoban]

Your post makes me tell: I too feel sentenced to the same solitude for the very same reason.
People seem to avoid your company if you reject the, more or less standard, life illusions; From family to friends. It just happens this way. Now and then, they can be interested in "peculiar points of view" but very soon... kind of "I must continue with normal life"
Right now, my consolation is to think that there must be a "place" in this desertlike situation; Hope we find it.

Yes, for the most part, people are not interested in learning anything that might disrupt their illusions, and for some of them, they simply are not able to grasp that there could be something more than what they are taught. Although it is hard, it is important to accept this, and understand that they have the right, as Mr. Anderson pointed out, to choose to believe the lies. We can share information if it is asked for, being careful to take into consideration the level of understanding of the questioner.

At times it can be a lonely path - the vast majority of people on this forum don't have aware people around them. However, this can be seen as an aspect of the Work, to be able to have the patience and will to keep silent when necessary, to accept the limitations of the people around us, and to respect their choice to remain in illusion. It is an opportunity to grow our will and exercise judgement.

And we do have this forum, where we can communicate our frustrations and feelings of loneliness and receive support when we are going through hard times.

 

[Paradigma]

Hi Lukas,

Although the other person might have a shallow point of view, many of them have a warm heart. This is what helps me to get over such periods.
I hope you keep it up :)

 

[efeuvete]

Hi Lukas,

Although the other person might have a shallow point of view, many of them have a warm heart. This is what helps me to get over such periods.
I hope you keep it up :)

That`s right but, because "we" too have a warm heart we try to use it, and as we like "dimensional scuba diving"... No way.

That's reminds me a situation with my wife some 30 years ago:
We were at the sea, in a beautiful place to see under the sea coast; I suggested swimming with snorkels and we did it. Half an hour later sitting on the beach near by, I asked her:
- Did you see how beautiful were life's colors down there? And she, without looking at my eyes, told me:
- Well... I must tell you... I closed my eyes when my head was under the waters... I was... sooooo afraid...

You see? She had a warm heart (Still does she) but... I think we need something like a "Solitude Survival Kit". Any ideas out there?

 

[Bar Kochba]

I think it is programmed in to us to want to share common interests with someone else and to not be alone. I used to want to share the Work with everyone in my life but no one wanted to hear it. I soon got ahold of myself and shut my mouth. Now I Work in solitude. I share bits and pieces cautiously but must maintain a strategic enclosure even with my family. To echo others' words, thank goodness this forum is here. It is okay to be alone, but loneliness can be toxic. FWIW

 

[Paradigma]

Hi Lukas,

Although the other person might have a shallow point of view, many of them have a warm heart. This is what helps me to get over such periods.
I hope you keep it up :)

That`s right but, because "we" too have a warm heart we try to use it, and as we like "dimensional scuba diving"... No way.

That's reminds me a situation with my wife some 30 years ago:
We were at the sea, in a beautiful place to see under the sea coast; I suggested swimming with snorkels and we did it. Half an hour later sitting on the beach near by, I asked her:
- Did you see how beautiful were life's colors down there? And she, without looking at my eyes, told me:
- Well... I must tell you... I closed my eyes when my head was under the waters... I was... sooooo afraid...

You see? She had a warm heart (Still does she) but... I think we need something like a "Solitude Survival Kit". Any ideas out there?

At first I should give a short explanation what I understand what solitude is:
This is a feeling of uncertainty till despair triggert by being emotionally disconnected from other beings.
People in isolation tend to become solitude but sometimes faith helps them getting over enormous suffering.
In this case I meant that due to felt isolation the heart becomes more and more cold and by getting close to other warm hearts it's possible to warm up. A warm heart does not feel solitude, it's always a cold one. At least in my opinion.

I think it is programmed in to us to want to share common interests with someone else and to not be alone. I used to want to share the Work with everyone in my life but no one wanted to hear it. I soon got ahold of myself and shut my mouth. Now I Work in solitude. I share bits and pieces cautiously but must maintain a strategic enclosure even with my family. To echo others' words, thank goodness this forum is here. It is okay to be alone, but loneliness can be toxic. FWIW

I think this is the point, the same like Mr.Anderson said. Doing The Work one have to do in solitude if he has not the great luck of a companion who walks the same path. But living with other has also to deal with others and to withdraw emotionaly from them cause you feel how superficial they are doesn't help either. Except they are harmful.

But what could help as a "solitude survival kit" :) doing the other person something good. Don't try to talk to them about concepts from the forum, perhaps some science is ok, depends on whom you talk to, but at first one could try to be a cause for good mood. Helping others without expecting a reward.
Intellectual isolation is bad enough but physical and emotional don't have to follow. And with this sort of isolation most of us have to fight.
But if you come to the point when you talk about such topics don't use the "know-it-all-attitude". Giving lectures like Gurdjieff did, doesn't work for people who are not prepared.

 

[efeuvete]

But what could help as a "solitude survival kit" :) doing the other person something good. Don't try to talk to them about concepts from the forum, perhaps some science is ok, depends on whom you talk to, but at first one could try to be a cause for good mood. Helping others without expecting a reward.

Doing the other person something good helps but you know, if the relationship is somehow deep you do "somethings" related to your way of being and not precisely of the "Know-it-all" kind (though, yes, you are always near of this) but of the "This-is-what-I-think-of-this-thing" kind and... the other part goes kind of "I-see-(Stop)"

So, maybe I expect (want) such a reward of my communication with people near me (Family, friends) that better I would include in the "solitude survival kit": "Doing ME something good" but, I do not know (Up to now) what to do to me.

 

[cubbex]

:) Yes you are alone Lukas, as everyone on the universe.

I thought you worked out this issue about a love relationship, maybe you are not really sad about being alone, but about not having a girlfriend or something like that maybe?

Life is hard, but we have to choose, burn and keep the path or have the pleasures that this illusory life offers.

 

[Lucius]

:) Yes you are alone Lukas, as everyone on the universe.

I thought you worked out this issue about a love relationship, maybe you are not really sad about being alone, but about not having a girlfriend or something like that maybe?

Life is hard, but we have to choose, burn and keep the path or have the pleasures that this illusory life offers.

Just fell as above http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,23974.msg269059.html#msg269059
alone but good quote "Yes you are alone Lukas, as everyone on the universe." very good:)

Love if there is soul-mates then we will meet if not then no. First to take your lesson.

 

[cubbex]

Well, as I understand from the Gnosis, there may be an esoteric couple without being polar beings (If you refer to this by soul-mate) but it looks that the case of polar beings is very unusual, I only know Ark and Laura. You know, the tale is the same always, you have to sacrife almost a lot to receive that opportunity.