Saving Mr. Banks

PhilipAndrew

The Force is Strong With This One
In the beginning of this movie the narrator says

"Winds in the East, mist coming in.
Like something is brewing, about to begin.
Can't put my finger on what lies in store,
but I feel what's to happen all happened before."

The camera pans over a little girl then changes to her in the future
and shows a shot of the book "The Teachings of Gurdjieff".

It seems to have good ratings.
Thought i would share :)
 
PhilipAndrew said:
The camera pans over a little girl then changes to her in the future
and shows a shot of the book "The Teachings of Gurdjieff".
This scene is in the beginning and that would be the end of any 4th way reference, as far as I could see. Spoilers may follow:

The movie is about P. L. Travers (the author of Mary Poppins) and her brush with Walt Disney as they were making the movie on the book, where she slowly comes to terms with her own suppressed history embedded in Mary Poppins. Walt as played by Tom Hanks is portrayed as the almost flawless (he is caught smoking) super nice benefactor of N.American storytelling. From the beginning she is extremely contrary and opposed to any of Walt and teams (and all things American) ideas, as she is portrayed as being overtly correct in a British prude kind of way and insists on her vision. As the story develops Walt and we come to see her fight as defending her own personal embedded history, just as he recognized that as being part of his own drive, but with the difference that he wants to remember his life story differently than it was, essentially to make happy endings, to instill hope.

In one way the movie could be seen as portraying that we can change our past if we come to see it for what it is, but in the same time it also seems to be championing you can create your own reality by adding your own happy narrative on top. Even though Ms. Travers is seen to go through a cycle of healing in a certain sense, by recapitulating her history and forgiving herself, there is not much emphasis on understanding, so I think the movie will prove most useful for the guys rooting that we fortify our own fantasy.
 
I only saw the beginning but didn't expect much from it considering the psychic trash that comes out of the wand of hollywood.

Good eye! :D
 
PhilipAndrew said:
In the beginning of this movie the narrator says

"Winds in the East, mist coming in.
Like something is brewing, about to begin.
Can't put my finger on what lies in store,
but I feel what's to happen all happened before."

The camera pans over a little girl then changes to her in the future
and shows a shot of the book "The Teachings of Gurdjieff".

It seems to have good ratings.
Thought i would share :)

Last night I watched a documentary "The Real Mary Poppins" all about P L Travers books and her life. She was apparently very "in to" Gurdjieff and there was a short discussion on this part of her life, which I found very interesting. She was a very unusual woman and seemed to be in denial a lot of the time and created her own reality, in this case fantasy.

The documentary is interspersed with the Julie Andrews version of Mary Poppins and the current film.

_http://www.abc.net.au/iview/#/view/81286120

The Gurdjieff portion starts around 20:25 and goes for about 2 minutes.
 
There was quite a bit of J.P.Travers and Gurdjieff bashing going on in the mass media here in the UK before the movie came out.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2477111/How-Mary-Poppins-creator-P-L-Travers-wrecked-lives-innocent-boys.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2471112/CRAIG-BROWN-The-Rasputin-inspired-Mary-Poppins.html
Excerpt from here:
The dominant influence in her life was the Rasputin-like religious guru George Ivanovich Gurdjieff, a former trader in, among other things, carpets, corsets and false eyelashes. Gurdjieff’s long-winded teachings are hard, perhaps even impossible, to summarise, but revolve around the belief that the moon feeds off the energy of dead human beings, and controls all our actions.

Of course the broad public had to be told that she was obviously a nutcase, so as better not to investigate further in case the movie struck a cord.

And Walt Disney, well, is said to have been a 33 degree Freemason, whatever that means. There is a Club 33 in Disneyworld, Florida, accessible only for members who pay as corporate an initiation fee of $27,500, and as individual members a fee of $10,000 in addition to annual dues, which are about $6,100 or $3,500. Of course the Freemason thing is never mentioned "officially", what you find on Wikipedia for example is this:

Of the many stories regarding the origin of the name of Club 33, two stories are the most prominent. The first and official explanation states Club 33 gets its name solely from its address of 33 Royal street in New Orleans Square at Disneyland.

A second and less well known story speculates the name honors there being 33 corporate sponsors at Disneyland in 1966-1967 when the club was being built and opened. Those sponsors are as follows:[2]

Kodak
Atlantic-Richfield
Bank of America
Bell Telephone
C&H Sugar
Frito Lay
General Electric
Global Van Lines
Carnation
Hallmark Cards
Goodyear Tire and Rubber Co.
Douglas Aircraft
Coca-Cola
Hills Brothers Coffee
INA
Lincoln Savings and Loan
Lincoln Savings and Loan
Monsanto
Pendleton
Pepsi-Cola
Ken-L Ration
Aunt Jemima
Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe
Spice Islands
Chicken of the Sea
Sunkist
Sunsweet Growers
Swift & Co.
Timex
United Air Lines
Upjohn
Welch's
Wurlitzer
Western Printing and Litho CO
_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Club_33

SPOILER AHEAD

I haven't watched the movie nor do I intend to, but from what I have been reading it seems that a completely dysfunctional Travers is somehow saved by Walt Disney in the end and brought to the right path. No, thanks.

M.T.
 
I think the value to be had in this movie comes from the flashback portion. Regardless of how accurate any of it is regarding her relationship with
Disney and the production of the film, the relationship of young Travers with her alcoholic father, deftly portrayed by Colin Farrell, and her
codependent, suicidal mother, viscerally reveals the dilemma and trauma experienced by children who become the emotional "adult" parent of the
narcissistic dysfunctional family system. It is chilling to watch--what a great performance by the child actor. Everything that happens in the "present"
portion of the movie is all about the adult Travers processing the trauma (through producing the movie) and letting go of the past. Almost every child
who has survived growing up in an alcoholic/drug/addictive family wants to "save" their dysfunctional parent, and thereby rescue themselves. And that
is what this movie is about "Saving Mr. Banks."
 
If they can let go and not succumb to the same addicts as that parent.... Liza Mannelli comes to mind... and looking and sounding like her mother sure heightens the issue. :shock:
 
Just watched this last night. Was drawn in when I noticed the Gurdjieff book in one of the first scenes, which actually set me up to view the movie with more scrutiny. Even after watching the movie all the way through, it felt as if the truth of the story, much like the story of Mary Poppins, was given a happier, more amenable ending than that which actually occurred. According to Wiki, she washed her hands of Disney productions, following the release of Mary Poppins: "Enraged at what she considered shabby treatment at Disney's hands, Travers would never again agree to another Poppins/Disney adaptation, though Disney made several attempts to persuade her to change her mind." However, the ending of the movie would suggest, otherwise.

Searching for her other works led to some interesting facts about her other literary works, including a pamphlet on George Ivanovitch Gurdjieff (1973) http://www.amazon.com/George-Ivanovitch-Gurdjieff-P-Travers/dp/0919608086 as well as an interesting book titled
What the Bee Knows: Reflections on Myth, Symbol, and Story (1994) Apparently, Travers edited the philosophical magazine "Parabola" for many years, and this book is a collection of her contributions and editorials.
http://www.amazon.com/What-Bee-Knows-Reflections-Symbol/dp/0140194665/ref=la_B000APNNWW_1_12?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1417974870&sr=1-12
with the following description:
A collection of essays, stories and reminiscences, many of which were first published in the US magazine "Parabola". The essays are often reflections on the themes of myth and folklore: The Heroic Quest, The Black Sheep, The Foolish Young Son, drawing on a lifelong immersion in world mythology. Ranging from Hindu creation stories through Celtic legend and the "Dreamtime" of the Australian Aborigines to Central European tales of wicked fairies and miller's daughters, the author sets out her faith in the poetic truth of these fables. Interspersed are memories of her Australian childhood, of the friendships she formed as a young woman in Ireland with AE and Yeats and of her stay on an American Indian reservation where she was driven about by a surly cowboy.

An interesting interview with Travers can be found in The Paris Review - The Art of Fiction, No 63 can be found here:
http://www.theparisreview.org/interviews/3099/the-art-of-fiction-no-63-p-l-travers

A quote from this interview that struck me to be at odds with Disney's vision/version of Mary Poppins( as portrayed in Saving Mr. Banks) is this:
With regard to your question about her altering, I do not think that people who read her would want her to be altered. And what I liked so much about that—I felt it was the highest praise—was that the boy should say, “Well, she’s so ordinary.” But that’s what she is. And it is only through the ordinary that the extraordinary can make itself perceived.

What the movie has provided for me is the exposure of an author I would definitely like to read more of.
 
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