Searching for and finding truth

[mk1154]

Hello everyone,

As noted by post count, I am not a frequent visitor to the forums. I have been reading and taking in information voraciously over the past several months. Content from this site, the recommended reading list, and other sources I have come across in my studies. There is SO MUCH information and I LOVE taking it all in but am realizing that ACTION is required. I am swimming in a sea of information and disinformation but am having difficulty in navigating the right direction.

I know lurking on here is discouraged and networking is part of the path to gaining knowledge. I wish to do more of it but feel like I have so much more preparation to do first. As Laura has noted, for every topic or interest out there, there is probably a disinformation campaign. For every opinion/viewpoint there is a counter. I have come to a realization that a fundamental basis for advancing along my path is how to discern TRUTH.

This is where I am asking for advice. How does one determine actual truth? I feel taking in so much information would be more effective had I a systematic method or formula of thinking critically and determining truth from falsehood. This led me to the discovery of the trivium method and I have been doing somewhat of a home-grown Trivium education the last couple of weeks. My thought is that by becoming trained in this method of thinking I will have a basis for taking in (or rejecting) the information available to me.

It is slightly discouraging because this is inevitably a long process. After working to pay the bills, attending to my family and household -- there is little time left to study, let alone post on the boards here. I am a member because cassiopaea.org is what really got me started. It was Laura's writings and the C's communication that sparked something inside me to really dig in.

I admit to myself that I take in a lot of information but do little verification. I don't feel I even know HOW to verify the things I read. I can take just about any topic and find sources that claim to be credible on both sides that are saying completely opposite things. How does one determine which is truth? Especially when you don't have all day to research things?

I apologize for the long message. Any advice, forum posts, articles, books, methods, etc. on strategies for determining truth that you could point me to would be much appreciated. Thank you in advance!

 

[riclapaz]

This forum answer your question, it is only necessary that you actually decide to seek the truth, here are all in the boat to find the truth, using the search option you will find actual information on many topics in this forum there are people on the basis to scientific articles, in addition to their own experiences, help us make the best decisions in life.


As for the "time" to study, everyone in this forum have a "normal" life as you mentioned, could simply in your daily agenda aside time to research, read, collating information, start small, with targets small, this will give the necessary encouragement to continue.


I agree with you, is not easy in a world of disinformation find some truth, but I believe that if you work hard in the acquisition of knowledge, the time came when his own mind can discern the truths, hidden behind lies, the list recommended by the group books are here https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,33092.0.html, it is certainly a great start that you read these books will give you a solid base on many subjects, with that in mind when you encounter new information may compare and decide if it is true or not, the end of all this I think the decision whether something is true or not, is up to you, their development being, knowledge acquired, there are many people who are happy living among lies, and that okay, the universe is no more than a school.

I hope to help a bit :)

 

[electrosonic]

This forum answer your question, it is only necessary that you actually decide to seek the truth, here are all in the boat to find the truth, using the search option you will find actual information on many topics in this forum there are people on the basis to scientific articles, in addition to their own experiences, help us make the best decisions in life.

As riclapaz says, its the search that counts ... & the lessons you learn along the way.
I know that sounds rubbish, and something that you might hear in a Karate Kid movie, but its the way it is.
If you were to be handed a piece of paper with all the truths of the universe on it, you'd gain less than someone who knew little, but strived for each piece of knowledge he has.

At the end of the day, it'll just come to you, and things will feel right, or wrong, and that good judgment of yours will build up over time.
Hope that helps?

 

[Nienna]

This is where I am asking for advice. How does one determine actual truth? I feel taking in so much information would be more effective had I a systematic method or formula of thinking critically and determining truth from falsehood.

One way of learning to be able to tell what is disinformation is reading articles on SOTT.net and, maybe, looking at the COINTELPRO and Disinformation Board on the forum. It will let you learn the "flavor" of disinformation and misinformation. Also, reading some of Laura's The Wave series will give you a bit of info on this. It's called "tuning the reading instrument".

It is slightly discouraging because this is inevitably a long process. After working to pay the bills, attending to my family and household -- there is little time left to study, let alone post on the boards here. I am a member because cassiopaea.org is what really got me started. It was Laura's writings and the C's communication that sparked something inside me to really dig in.

I admit to myself that I take in a lot of information but do little verification. I don't feel I even know HOW to verify the things I read. I can take just about any topic and find sources that claim to be credible on both sides that are saying completely opposite things. How does one determine which is truth? Especially when you don't have all day to research things?

As others have said, it's the journey that matters, not the destination. I think Laura said it well in this post. Further down the post, she says this:

Also, the concept of KNOWLEDGE being the key to transitioning is supremely important. All you have to do is think about the Parable of the Talents to get the point. It really isn't important that you have "supreme knowledge" or that you are totally prepared by virtue of that supreme knowledge, what is important is what you do with what you have! Another useful parable is that of the 10 Wise Virgins. Then, there is the "Widow's Mite" principle. If a person is doing all they can with what they have, and the AIM is to contribute to the STO position, then if there are energies of transition/ change/ whatever, those energies will "frequency resonance" match to yours and you don't have to get your knickers in a knot of fear.

If you are just doing all you can to gather knowledge, to apply what knowledge you DO have to whatever is set before you each day, with an overarching AIM of "knowing the truth that sets us free" (keep in mind that "knowing" is also LOVE), and being connected to a network striving to strengthen the STO reality/position, you'll be okay!

It's not perfection that is important, it is the STRIVING, the continued movement, the refusal to stagnate, the constant efforts to give and help in whatever way is available to you that counts.

These are ideas that have come to me in the writing of "Moses" because when I write, I go into a somewhat altered state and all kinds of things just sort themselves out somehow.

Those people who have awareness of potential famines, political and economic upheavals, possible cometary events, just by constantly acquiring knowledge about our reality and the people within it, who then activate that knowledge by making whatever preparations are available to them to make, are basically in the ACTIVE/CREATIVE mode. They are acting based on knowledge, SEEing, DOing, investing their talents, giving their mite, keeping their lamps filled and prepared. JUST BEING IN THAT ACTIVE MODE is more important than that you are able to achieve some sort of "total preparedness." Learning, SEEing, DOing SENDS OUT A SIGNAL.

 

[mk1154]

Thanks everyone for the responses.

I have read much of The Wave series (on 5/6 right now) and some of the suggested books, but I still feel I am just being fed information. I have read A LOT of books and information and am stuck in paralysis mode because I don't know which of it is truth and which isn't. I do think that action is required once knowledge is gained for it to be useful, but I am afraid to act on knowledge that cannot be verified to be truth or not. I fear this may be worse than not acting at all. My usual way of dealing with this is just finding another book to read and feeling the same way after reading that one.

I will check out that COINTELPRO board and that post from Laura is very insightful. If it is the striving and the journey that truly matter, and I can believe that -- as long as your striving (your actions) are based in truth. Right now I don't even feel that I am on the journey. Without acting on what I've learned I feel like I'm still at the starting line. Once I act the journey has begun but I cannot do that until I know what I'm acting on is right and true. I don't believe I would be able to even act with any care or passion unless I knew that to be the case.

This community seems to value investigation into paranormal topics via rational means which is one of the reasons I am here. I was hoping to gain some techniques of doing this rational verification, but maybe all I need is more time on it. An example of my exasperation: I was at the book store the other night and came across a book by David Hawkins called "Truth vs. Falsehood: How to Tell the Difference" Wow! This sounds like exactly what I am looking for! It looked legit.. plain cover, lots of small text. Charts and graphs inside... very scientific. I have not read any of Hawkins other books before so did a little google work before deciding to purchase it. It seems as though his method boils down to using kineseology and observing how your physical body reacts to hearing a statement. This will tell you whether it is true or not? Perhaps there is something to this, I don't know, but it is exactly opposite of what I thought it would be -- a rational and systematic approach for discovering truth.

I am on the path of learning The Trivium -- currently delving into logic study, so that is my current approach. "Tuning the reading instrument" sounds excellent and would love to learn more about that. Perhaps I missed it in The Wave. I will go back and do a search.

 

[Keyhole]

I have read much of The Wave series (on 5/6 right now) and some of the suggested books, but I still feel I am just being fed information. I have read A LOT of books and information and am stuck in paralysis mode because I don't know which of it is truth and which isn't. I do think that action is required once knowledge is gained for it to be useful, but I am afraid to act on knowledge that cannot be verified to be truth or not. I fear this may be worse than not acting at all. My usual way of dealing with this is just finding another book to read and feeling the same way after reading that one.

Hi mk1154,

The wave series is so dense with information that it can all be a lot to take in in one go! What is the worst that can happen if you act on something that you cannot verify as truth? Some information simply can't objectively verified because of its very nature - especially some of the C's material :P In the end, all is lessons :) So if you think you have made any mistakes, it can be a valuable lesson learned.

This community seems to value investigation into paranormal topics via rational means which is one of the reasons I am here. I was hoping to gain some techniques of doing this rational verification, but maybe all I need is more time on it. An example of my exasperation: I was at the book store the other night and came across a book by David Hawkins called "Truth vs. Falsehood: How to Tell the Difference" Wow! This sounds like exactly what I am looking for! It looked legit.. plain cover, lots of small text. Charts and graphs inside... very scientific. I have not read any of Hawkins other books before so did a little google work before deciding to purchase it. It seems as though his method boils down to using kineseology and observing how your physical body reacts to hearing a statement. This will tell you whether it is true or not? Perhaps there is something to this, I don't know, but it is exactly opposite of what I thought it would be -- a rational and systematic approach for discovering truth.

I am on the path of learning The Trivium -- currently delving into logic study, so that is my current approach. "Tuning the reading instrument" sounds excellent and would love to learn more about that. Perhaps I missed it in The Wave. I will go back and do a search.

The book by David Hawkins sounds very interesting indeed :) I think this method of being able to decipher truth from lies can be effective if someone has taken the time and effort to sincerely work on themselves. The start of this would mean attempting to heal the psychological and emotional wounds that they have acquired throughout their lives. The false beliefs, the faulty assumptions, the learned ways of thinking and behaving. These are things which can affect the way that we feel about different types of information that may/may not conflict with our current belief systems and in the end - prevent us from seeing the truth.

 

[obyvatel]

David Hawkins and his book "Truth vs Falsehood" has been discussed here
http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,22804.0.html

 

[mk1154]

The book by David Hawkins sounds very interesting indeed :) I think this method of being able to decipher truth from lies can be effective if someone has taken the time and effort to sincerely work on themselves. The start of this would mean attempting to heal the psychological and emotional wounds that they have acquired throughout their lives. The false beliefs, the faulty assumptions, the learned ways of thinking and behaving. These are things which can affect the way that we feel about different types of information that may/may not conflict with our current belief systems and in the end - prevent us from seeing the truth.

I am doing this currently (at least with my critical thinking abilities), but what else can I do to work on my Self? I don't really know where to begin in healing the psychological/emotional wounds I may have acquired. I have read some on mental disorders and human psychology. It's all really interesting and gives me insight but I'm not sure how much I'm healing myself. I probably just need to explore the forums more for starters. Thanks for mentioning this -- it is easy to focus all attention on the external but making sure you have clear lens in which you view that external is just as important and I sometimes forget that.

 

[Mr. Premise]

The book by David Hawkins sounds very interesting indeed :) I think this method of being able to decipher truth from lies can be effective if someone has taken the time and effort to sincerely work on themselves. The start of this would mean attempting to heal the psychological and emotional wounds that they have acquired throughout their lives. The false beliefs, the faulty assumptions, the learned ways of thinking and behaving. These are things which can affect the way that we feel about different types of information that may/may not conflict with our current belief systems and in the end - prevent us from seeing the truth.

I am doing this currently (at least with my critical thinking abilities), but what else can I do to work on my Self? I don't really know where to begin in healing the psychological/emotional wounds I may have acquired. I have read some on mental disorders and human psychology. It's all really interesting and gives me insight but I'm not sure how much I'm healing myself. I probably just need to explore the forums more for starters. Thanks for mentioning this -- it is easy to focus all attention on the external but making sure you have clear lens in which you view that external is just as important and I sometimes forget that.

Network! No one can find the truth all on their own, we all have too many biases. The same thing with working on the self. It can only really be done with the help of a colinear network. And, as you network here on the forum, working your way through the recommended book list (https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,4718.0.html) is a good idea.

 

[Keyhole]

The book by David Hawkins sounds very interesting indeed :) I think this method of being able to decipher truth from lies can be effective if someone has taken the time and effort to sincerely work on themselves. The start of this would mean attempting to heal the psychological and emotional wounds that they have acquired throughout their lives. The false beliefs, the faulty assumptions, the learned ways of thinking and behaving. These are things which can affect the way that we feel about different types of information that may/may not conflict with our current belief systems and in the end - prevent us from seeing the truth.

I am doing this currently (at least with my critical thinking abilities), but what else can I do to work on my Self? I don't really know where to begin in healing the psychological/emotional wounds I may have acquired. I have read some on mental disorders and human psychology. It's all really interesting and gives me insight but I'm not sure how much I'm healing myself. I probably just need to explore the forums more for starters. Thanks for mentioning this -- it is easy to focus all attention on the external but making sure you have clear lens in which you view that external is just as important and I sometimes forget that.

Network! No one can find the truth all on their own, we all have too many biases. The same thing with working on the self. It can only really be done with the help of a colinear network. And, as you network here on the forum, working your way through the recommended book list (https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,4718.0.html) is a good idea.

As Mr. Premise said, a colinear network of like-minded individuals all striving for towards the same objective - truth. The books on the recommended reading list provides a great basis to begin from. I know it is a long list and there are many books, and at first it can seem a bit overwhelming. But there is no rush, and all that is recommended is for you to read whichever subject that interests you at the time :). Personally, I enjoy reading about neuroscience. But we all have our own specific interests and there is sure to be a selection of books on there that you will enjoy reading.

If you are interested in psychology, the "Big Five Psychology" are considered as vital for being able to begin to identify your own programmes and the programmes in those around you so that you can start to maintain your own psychic hygiene. To "clean out your machine" so to speak. I am sure that Laura refers to this concept within the Wave series, especially in books 5 and 6. In my understanding "The Work" section is a selection of books and material that mainly focus's on the principles of an esoteric tradition which was brought to the west by George Ivanovich Gurdjieff. His teachings can provide guidance and instruction on how to become "conscious" with practical application. If you are interested in "The Work" then I would personally recommend that you read "In Search of the Miraculous" by P.D Ouspensky first of all, as this introduces Gurdjieff's ideas in a clear and concise way.

[quote author=In Search of the Miraculous]“If a man could understand all the horror of the lives of ordinary people who are turning around in a circle of insignificant interests and insignificant aims, if he could understand what they are losing, he would understand that there can only be one thing that is serious for him — to escape from the general law, to be free. What can be serious for a man in prison who is condemned to death? Only one thing: How to save himself, how to escape: nothing else is serious.”
[..]
"... Furthermore no one can escape from prison without the help of those who have escaped before. Only they can say in what way escape is possible or can send tools, files, or whatever may be necessary. But one prisoner alone cannot find these people or get into touch with them. An organization is necessary, Nothing can be achieved without an organization"
[/quote]

As Gurdjieff explains, man can only awaken with the help of others. The C's also emphasise the importance of a network. We are unable to truly see ourselves, and are unable to discern the truth from the lies that we tell ourselves. In order to see reality more objectively, sharing our personal experiences and networking with others can help to highlight any of our blind spots and aid in our "breaking free from the prison" of third density reality. On this forum there are people who have likely had similar experiences to yourself, and we are all in this together. Ones who have already dealt with their own programmes are able to offer valuable advice of how others work towards this. And each of us has a different perspective, so we are all able to contribute to the network to be able to see reality more objectively as a whole. This is the importance of having a network.

I wish you the best of luck mk1154, and happy reading