Seeing the light - only for a few seconds
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Hi Menna,
I can see where your experience might be so overwhelming that it would be hard to be objective about it. I hope the suggested readings will help. As for only love being the answer, there is this:
Only Knowledge can truly dispel fear. Luckily, you've come to the right place for it. Happy reading! ;)
Herondancer
edit: clarity
I can see where your experience might be so overwhelming that it would be hard to be objective about it. I hope the suggested readings will help. As for only love being the answer, there is this:
Only Knowledge can truly dispel fear. Luckily, you've come to the right place for it. Happy reading! ;)
Herondancer
edit: clarity
Menna
The Living Force
Hey Vulcan I have made it through three pages of the wave and I am going to start Chapter III tomorrow (Its 1:30am in NY need to get to bed.) anyway two question that I have so far are...
1) How do we know if we are 4th density candidates?
2) If we are not a 4th density candidate how do we become one?
and I bet if I was talking to a Cassiopaean they would probably say "That is 3rd Density thinking."
1) How do we know if we are 4th density candidates?
2) If we are not a 4th density candidate how do we become one?
and I bet if I was talking to a Cassiopaean they would probably say "That is 3rd Density thinking."
Menna
The Living Force
Its easy to learn when the information is this important and the question/answer format makes it easy to comprehend.
I will get to the rest of the Wave reading tonight.
I just hope that once it comes I will be a 4D candidate I really don't want to do this whole process over again.
Is wanting to be a 4D candidate a STS way of thinking - if so is this way of thinking wrong and should I stop thinking this way?
I will get to the rest of the Wave reading tonight.
I just hope that once it comes I will be a 4D candidate I really don't want to do this whole process over again.
Is wanting to be a 4D candidate a STS way of thinking - if so is this way of thinking wrong and should I stop thinking this way?
shijing
The Living Force
Menna said:
I think that probably depends on what your motivation is for wanting to be a 4D candidate, including whether or not it involves anticipation of such.
Menna said:
In my understanding, it is probably something that should not require a lot of your energy and attention. Part of being a 4D STO candidate entails being close to learning all of the lessons that you need to learn here in 3D. If you are focusing on being a 4D candidate, this steals the energy that you could be putting into learning the lessons that are before you right now. It is also very difficult to avoid self-centered thinking when you anticipate moving on to 4D (which often includes the desire to be free of the parts of 3D which we find unpleasant), and for this reason, I would say that viewing 4D candidacy as a desirable goal is fine, but being actively preoccupied with it would probably be self-defeating, OSIT.
Al Today
The Living Force
Yep Shijing, I agree.
Howdy Menna.
Yep, I think so. This BBM is in STS control. We ARE here and we are all 3D STS, so we do think selfishly. We are what we are.
I'm still Working on the STO candidate status. I think I'm NOWHERE close to the goal, but could a major quality needed be "desire"? I believe it takes time for accumulated knowledge to become assimilated internally. Perhaps almost becoming "instinctive". And "hopefully" STO is in my essence. I hope... I dunno, but I think we are will find out, someday... Gotta start somewhere...
Menna said:
Howdy Menna.
Yep, I think so. This BBM is in STS control. We ARE here and we are all 3D STS, so we do think selfishly. We are what we are.
I'm still Working on the STO candidate status. I think I'm NOWHERE close to the goal, but could a major quality needed be "desire"? I believe it takes time for accumulated knowledge to become assimilated internally. Perhaps almost becoming "instinctive". And "hopefully" STO is in my essence. I hope... I dunno, but I think we are will find out, someday... Gotta start somewhere...
Menna
The Living Force
Thanks for clearing that up and I do agree the more thought energy I spend on becoming a 4D candidate the less energy I will spend on realizing lessons and learning from them. Because as it says in the wave - all there is are lessons.
I thought about this post during the day and I came to the realization that WANTING something is ego based the fact that I WANT to be a 4D candidate is the wrong idea and is a 3D human being way of thinking. Its funny sometimes when I talk to people I find myself saying things that feed my ego. I recognize this right after the conversation and I feel shameful that I am not bigger then my ego and that I can't stop it. I guess realizing that I am doing it is the first step but I feel that its unnecessary and would like to stop. I am going to try to stop/reduce my ego building during conversations.
I thought about this post during the day and I came to the realization that WANTING something is ego based the fact that I WANT to be a 4D candidate is the wrong idea and is a 3D human being way of thinking. Its funny sometimes when I talk to people I find myself saying things that feed my ego. I recognize this right after the conversation and I feel shameful that I am not bigger then my ego and that I can't stop it. I guess realizing that I am doing it is the first step but I feel that its unnecessary and would like to stop. I am going to try to stop/reduce my ego building during conversations.
shijing
The Living Force
Menna said:
Yes -- remember that it has also been described as a natural progression, so in a sense, wanting to be a 4D candidate is like an 8-year-old child wanting to wake up a teenager the next day so they can get a license and start driving. It will obviously happen eventually, but wishing isn't going to get that 8-year-old there any faster.
Menna
The Living Force
I am almost done reading the wave I will be done by tomorrow night. What I have gathered so far is that we are all STS if you are a human being on this earth you are an STS...You might be a STO candidate but you are still a STS...Also what I have learned is that we should...
"Just be and experience everything - learn from experiences don’t attach to anything just be and learn – help others when asked – network talk about ideas – talk about the wave make people aware."
What I am trying to figure out right now is - do you have to be a STO candidate to move to the 4D can non candidates make the leap to 4D and can you reincarnate to a STO before the wave comes?
Also anything that is "good" is also "bad" something that is "good" has a "bad" polarity and vise versa so that means that what the Lizzies are trying to do might not hurt us it might help if they are trying to do something "bad" then it can turn out to be "good"?
"Just be and experience everything - learn from experiences don’t attach to anything just be and learn – help others when asked – network talk about ideas – talk about the wave make people aware."
What I am trying to figure out right now is - do you have to be a STO candidate to move to the 4D can non candidates make the leap to 4D and can you reincarnate to a STO before the wave comes?
Also anything that is "good" is also "bad" something that is "good" has a "bad" polarity and vise versa so that means that what the Lizzies are trying to do might not hurt us it might help if they are trying to do something "bad" then it can turn out to be "good"?
Menna said:
This is correct. Doing something for a reward or an expectation of a return for said deed is STS.
Menna said:
This is a very crucial first step. In fact, Gurdjieff says that we should only self-observe (which is what you are doing) and nothing else for a time. What you want to do is see yourself doing these things. Get the feel of the program, understand it and where it comes from, then you will start to see it happening sooner and sooner until you will see it as it is happening. Then, one time you will be able to stop it before it happens. But it takes work. This is what is called rewiring the brain.
It is good to be able to understand our programs, this gives us more ammunition to be able to get them under control once we know the dynamics of it. This is where reading the Narcissism "Big Five" books come in. These books help us to identify our programs, how we may have gotten them, give us clues as to what to look for while we try to find out how they started, etc.
Menna said:
This is correct up to a point. I think that talking to people about the Wave may not be a good idea. Most people out there do not want to know about the Wave, they don't want to know about the things you know. Have you read about strategic enclosure and external consideration yet?
Menna said:
From what I understand, if you are totally committed to only serving others, not infringing on anyone else's free will, only do things because they should be done, not because you will get a payback or it makes you feel good, etc. then you would go to an STO 4D environment. But just wanting to go to 4D is STS. What we should be doing here is learning our lessons and karmic understanding. That is what is in front of us to do and that is what we really should be concerned with. Not if we will be rewarded in the end.
Menna said:
The lizzies have free will to do whatever they want to do. It is not meant to be good for us, only for them. It is up to us to decide whether we want to do as they want us to do or not. To do this, we need knowledge about the world and ourselves.
To the lizzies, I am sure that they think what they are doing is good....good for them. It is the same as us eating plant and animals life (2D beings). We do it to survive. We are in an STS world, it cannot be otherwise. But we don't have to calmly sit here being lunch for the lizzies. We can "choose" to NOT be lunch by learning as much as we can about our situation and how to get out of here.
And there is this, There is Good, there is Evil and there is the Specific Situation that determines which is which.
JonnyRadar
The Living Force
Menna said:
Nienna Eluch said:
Menna, I cannot emphasize this enough. It wasn't until I started reading these books that the picture became clearer for me. The Narcissistic Family is really an indispensable read, I think you will find yourself shocked and surprised and perhaps even relieved and weeping at how perfectly the words of this book apply to what you're feeling.
It's important to acknowledge that in your past you have done right things and wrong things, and to acknowledge that these are only things that you have done, and do not have to determine who you will become in the future. Be kind to yourself, to your Soul. It's important to recognize your feelings also and remind yourself that they are not wrong, they simply are your feelings. Watch them and note what they are, and continue to watch, and continue to watch. After a time you will know what to do, but until then, continue to watch.
Menna
The Living Force
Thanks for the advice. After the wave I will start reading the "Big Five" I am very interested in psychology.
Another comment I have is...
If we are all part of the ONE - The Creator and we are each individual souls that come from the creator then it really doesn't matter what happens - if our physical bodies live or die as long as our soul/spirit lives on. If we are one with the creator then in a sense the only thing that can truly hurt us is only something that could hurt the creator.
Another comment I have is...
If we are all part of the ONE - The Creator and we are each individual souls that come from the creator then it really doesn't matter what happens - if our physical bodies live or die as long as our soul/spirit lives on. If we are one with the creator then in a sense the only thing that can truly hurt us is only something that could hurt the creator.
